Those who stayed till the end of this video and many videos like these, My heart goes out to you'll and of course to the efforts of the Creators and Modern Renaissance people of India, Like Kushal, Anand, Abhijit, Sham and many more. You'll are the reason for me to see hope in these dilapidated state of affairs of our beautiful cultural heritage.
Simple questions but I'm sure not a single Bhakt will reply. Why is Zubair still is custody even though his Tweet was just an opinion and that other guy got bail even though he was spreading false information? Also why don't you people ever talk about 100 Smart Cities, 5 Trillion dollar economy on target, crores of new jobs, cheap essentials like petrol, bringing back all Swiss black money within 100 days, strong rupee against the dollar, ending corruption, taking back Akshai Chin from China etc Why this obsession with only Hindu Muslim tropics all the time which will only take the country backwards
@@gayatricasey6618 As expected even if someone countered it will be something useless not addressing my questions about Zubair still being in custody and ignoring useful tropics like BJPs manifesto development promises and only focusing on useless Hindu Muslim tropics.
@@brahminvirodhiudit4641 where did he support that ? He even tweeted about building Babri masjid so that democratically judgement should be made and got the heat for right wingers..
Imo doxxing should also be an exception. Publishing someone's personal phone number or address.. hence potentially endangering that individual, should not come under free speech
Simple questions but I'm sure not a single Bhakt will reply. Why is Zubair still is custody even though his Tweet was just an opinion and that other guy got bail even though he was spreading false information? Also why don't you people ever talk about 100 Smart Cities, 5 Trillion dollar economy on target, crores of new jobs, cheap essentials like petrol, bringing back all Swiss black money within 100 days, strong rupee against the dollar, ending corruption, taking back Akshai Chin from China etc Why this obsession with only Hindu Muslim tropics all the time which will only take the country backwards
@@loki2259 I don't know why zubair is in prison. I support free speech and if he is there just for his opinions then I condemn it fully without any ifs and buts. And no.. talking about Hindu Muslim issues will not take the country backwards. It will take the country forward, by promoting mutual respect between communities. We "bhakts" want a uniform civil code for all, so that Muslim women are treated fairly. How is that taking the country backwards???
Dr. Anand Ranganathan always brings anand through his vivekabharita Vichar! Anand, you are extremely rare to find, trikaraNapoorvaka shudhdha manav, a great Sanātani like my beloved parents. You are not a hypocrite. Thank you, Kushal for a very enlightening discussion. Love you all for what you stand for! I haven't seen anyone so open minded. I call you, Dr Anand and Abhijit Iyer Mitra, Tridevs. Always pleasure to listen to you all. Although you guys are atheists, your contribution towards Sanātana dharma is immense, invaluable. May Shri Saraswati Devi continue to shower HER choicest blessings on you all. Love n respect you three💐❤️🙇🎊🎉
Ranga has always been at the forefront of free speech and his statements have always been illuminating but interestingly what was missing was Abhijeet Iyer Mitra and yes , Kushal rocks !
Very true. When you are reacting to their insults and blasphemy, you enter their playground. And you lose because it's their game and rules. So don't get played. Get that temple quietly but firmly.
43:11 Mr. Wasim Rizvi had actually approached supreme court regarding removal of some verses claiming that those verses prmote hatred or violence But supreme court just dismissed his plea and even put a hefty fine on him. Ek oridnary citizen isse jyada kya karega aur jub supreme court ke ye haal hain to kon kis se kya hope rakhe. Hopeless institutions in a Great Country. Let's see how long Hindus alone can continue to beleive in and uphold consititution with constitution and it's institutions shortchanging them. Hopefully the Govts., constitution and it's institutions realize this and end their hatred and injustices towards Hindus before they run out of their patience.
hmm we hindus need to demand as a grp as a community to control other grps that promote hate n get evrythg like halal, religious teachg etc to b under govt dept that control n set the boarder as per hindustans culture - only the pressure on govt will make this happen
@@thoughts4872 Sir explained how he went to Shri Padmanabhan Temple and appreciated a sculpture which carved in the name of the architect and his family and this sculpture is near the entrance. So, he appreciates it as - what can be more beautiful that the architect is also given that much respect and even his sculpture is placed near the entrance
Loved the entire discussion, just one request with folded hands, plz don’t use Nupur Sharma & Kamlesh Tiwari in one breath, next to each other. Its unfortunate that Kamlesh Tiwari is no more, but for God sake Nupur Sharma is *alive*. May Gods protect her & her family members always.Its become so common to use these names together almost everywhere, maybe to highlight the severity of threat but it hurts me when the two are used in conjunction.Sorry if I am exaggerating ☹️🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I know admire the ideas of Mr anand and we must promote him and we demand on sss podcast with kushal and aim. What he said completely support it. He is true liberal and a true patriot
Because Hinduism is the most flexible religion where the atheist, theist and agnostic live together by respecting others beleifs and faiths. Due to this flexibility other religions were also born out of it.
Ex muslims UA-cam channels like azad ground, dystopia to reason, kohram, sachwala, adam seeker, Apostate Imam, ex muslim sahil etc explain the ideology of Islam with reference in Arabic, Hindi, English, Urdu are doing phenomenal work.
This is a truly enlightening debate and a refreshing divergence from the shrillness and juvenility of many debates even on social media. I always thought Kushal was the most cerebral and sensible of the trio of Sham Sharma, AIM and himself but it's probably the same reason why he doesn't spark as much controversy. I am always amazed at Dr Ranganathan's ability to argue both sides and the range of topics he covers in his posts and debates. His arguments on Sec 295 here are outstanding. I only wish he would post more about his scientific work and how it's fashioned his outlook on life. The only time recently I remember him posting on science is a small thread during Covid and that was about Ramdev baba's Patanjali's derivative work! Also, I request Kushal to invite people from the ExMuslim movement and the ExChristian group to his channel to expand the debate on free speech.
Like in the movie DHOL when they think there is fire in the house, but hawan was going on. 😂 I hope kushal gets to see that clip, in meme review if anyone is on reditt.
This was fantastic 🤠... I urge you to invite him often for such interesting discussion. Kushal you're doing a great service in enlighting common educated Indian.
I think the main point of contention here is between principle and reality. From the perspective of principle, I agree with Kushal and Anand. But when it comes to realistically assessing the situation, I have some reservations. We can see that this madness did not start until Qatar jumped into the fray which was several days after Nupur made that statement on TV. It seemed like a coordinated and concerted effort to harm India in which several nations took part. What Nupur said has been claimed by many before but I don't think those instances would have attracted this kind of a reaction. It means that the target was not Nupur but India and Modi Government. Secondly both the murders in Udaipur and Amravati are being investigated by NIA and from the inputs that have come from the agency, it seems that these incidents may not be hate crimes but a well planned and coordinated effort with links to Pakistan. In the Udaipur case, I have heard that apart from the killers, there were two other people arrested who were there as standby in case the two main operatives failed to carry out the task. Isn't this unusual? All this planning and strategy to kill Kanhaiya Lal Ji? He was after all a normal person who worked as a tailor. He wasn't some dangerous combat trained guy taking out whom would have required this much effort and planning. So, in my opinion this is not a matter concerning free speech. This is directly related to national security. This is not a dispute but actually a full fledged attack on our country and civilization, like a war. We have to understand the difference between a dispute and a war. Disputes are resolved. But wars are fought, even if you want to resolve it a later stage. I think the Kushal and Anand have made the wrong diagnosis here. They are correct in principle but the disease is not what they believe it to be. The disease is something different altogether.
1. Right to freedom of speech and expression is a guarantee against State action for speech and expression, people may feel offended. But, that feeling of being offended doesn't give anyone a right to perpetrate violence. 2. When anyone favours curbs on freedom of speech because we are not a mature democracy, I would tell them that the first requirement for becoming a mature Democracy is freedom of speech. We mature by discussing ideas threadbare and accepting what is right. 3. 295 is a blasphemy law passed by Christian British. Independent India with its cultural heritage of free speech didn't have to continue with it.
Intention behind what is spoken is most important. if it is to harm (direct or impending physical) others or to spread intentional false propaganda (without any trace of truth), all else should be open for free speech.
He was talking about, prince of Bhavnagar. He is a descendant of Raja Krushna Kumar Singh of Bhavnagar (Gujarat). He was the first king who joined union of India and gave his treasury to government of India. Kushal you should read about him. He was a selfless and nationalist.
As jainism is based on non-violence, it is the only religion in which the more staunch or kattar a believer becomes, the more non-violent he/she becomes. Think about it.
A bit of a red-herring discussion this one. Anand and Kushal' travails stem not from the Hindu right having lost its appetite for free speech, but because an increasing number,rightly in my view, are correctly recognising that we are in a battle of survival. And when we are fighting that battle with weapons other than free speech, that means only that we are entering battle with them and are going to fight them any which way. It is up to Kushal and Anand to realise and understand that their pet theme absolute free speech(excluding the four exceptions mentioned by Anand which I also actually agree) is itself dependent upon the community surviving first and securing the perimeters. Mahua Moitra is an interesting case Of course Hinduism allows you to imagine your Gods and Godesses. Mahua Moitra too could very well have done that and i would have supported her also - if she were doing that only, i.e. imagining her own goddess. Or for that matter Leena Manimegalai also , if imagining her godess is what she was actually doing. But that isn't what she was doing. Imagining your goddess of the kind Anand is referring to would have involved two other things- (1) it would be generally respectful of other imaginings of the same Goddess and not felt compelled to describe them as North Indian, upper caste, Brahminical, Patriarchal. Those buzzwords now have a very specific connotation. (2) secondly, using the argument of I have a right to imagine my own Goddess, (of course you do) you cannot be destroying the very ecosystem which enables you to imagine your own God's and Goddesses. Surely an ecosystem which allows you to do that, if such an ecosystem is in a majority, such a majoritarianism cannot really be a threat to secularism or free speech, could it? Mahua Moitra is.part of a formation which is engaged in destroying this ecosystem. She has allied with those who are intent upon destroying this ecosystem. The imagining of my Goddess no longer happens in that part of Bengal which has now become Bangladesh. When I stand against Mahua Moitra, it is not really against free speech and free thought. It is rather a rallying around the ecosystem which facilitates such freedoms. That battle won't be won by the kind of arguments put forth by both Kushal and Anand.
Free Speech that relates to or accusses any one of blasphemy as defined under Islam must not be allowed as that results into a murder or "sar tan se juda" without any due process of law as seen established by tradition, practices and precedences. Such a speech specially accompnied with a call of punishment or Sar tan Se Juda must be charged under Section 115 IPC, Abetment of Murder.
SHAME on judge Kant for Justifying Kanhaiya’s Beheading and blaming Nupur and Not Haraami Jihadis, Kant said Nothing about that Idiot rehmani Insulting Lord Shiv. REMOVE Kant.
@@priharahj5515 ab log jaag raha hai, ab Haraami Jihadi ko bardasht nahin karega. ajmer dargah aur uske Idiot khadims aur Haraami chistis ka BOYCOTT ho raha hai.
Basically in case of religious scentiment ..the aspect of INSULT has to be defined clearly ...for example Krishna married 16k gopis is not insult bcoz its there in the books but if u call him a pervert is insult ....likewise Momad marries 6 yr old Aisha is no insult its their in the book Sahih Bukhari which they follow as Sunnah and Sunnat....so it cannot be an insult
Jokingly those people said it with malice to Abhinav prakash singh . A dalit who ironically is in BJP . But it was Abhinav's fault brahmin bania party mein rahega to gali padegi hi . Brahmins can never respect bahujans that's why we will not let brahmins win .
Every one is a free speech absolutist until it comes to you. I don't think there is such thing called absolutist free speech its American myth, even America today do not have absolute free speech, Europe do not have it today, even country like Japan, Korea don't have it, India don't have it, Middle East don't have it, Latin America don't have it, Africa don't have it, Asia don't have it. Tell me where we have absolutist free speech. What America, Europe has was for a very brief period of time when you become economically rich, developed, materialistically success then you can have ansolute free speech for a time as people has so much that they don't care about what anybody has said. But you go into a country like congo, Afghanistan, Saud Arabia, India, China, Russia, Brazil, Argentina etc and start preaching absolute free speech then you are an idiot. Every country is not America and it can't be America it just not possible different countries have different realities, culture, society etc and people have to live in there reality its a harsh truth, you have to realistic about expectations. I can say in India we can have diversity of speech at best but not absolute free speech because 1st hindus by large today don't support it, Muslims and Christians in India are violently against it, 2nd hindus don't have a religious command to abuse non hindu religion or traditions to show there supremacy that is not the case with islam and Christianity it is there religious duty to abuse , harass, dehumanize, insult hindus just to show that there religion is superior and only way and only truth, 3rd hindus will face one sided organized attack from these desert cult and we are not in a position to retaliate, so diversity of speech is more realistic right now and it also supports hindu society. Again I am just saying we have to be realistic we cannot expect every country to be like America even usa today do not have absolute free speech it had earlier not anymore 😒 sad. Every country has to find its own way of dealing things and issues just copying west do not solve the problem what works in west may not work in India or Africa or China or Mexico or Middle East etc. Anyway its my analysis of this issue .
@@punyashloka4946 what I don't support free speech if we do . Brahmins will make our life miserable . Mant Dalits don't know about SC/ST act . But a religion called Hinduism and brahminism which literally treated us like animals I have all the right to make fun of it .
The reason why religion gets a free pass in society: Religion gives many people their core identity. Its diffcult for intelligent free thinking, logical people who are scientifically minded to understand this, but religion provides masses with an identity and a sense of purpose. While 'find your own purpose' is great, its high falutin advice which only few can execute and internalise. The majority of people in any country are followers, they cannot necessarily think for themselves. They want and need to be told what to do. Here religion comes in with a sense of identity( Who am I? ). Religion is the current answer to the question of 'Who am I?", and its basic answers are Hindu, Muslim etc. Taking away religion from a society will create a nihilistic vaccuum where ugly forces like social justice and post-modern intersecitonality come in. Until and unless people do not find other, more authentic sources of 'identity' and 'purpose', rleigion in its current form will stay. That is why people are so attached to religion because it gives them a semblance of identity.
Don't care about them if u belive in the sanctity of Indian state and belive in constitutional rights of every Indian u are not anti national . Don't care about what Brahmins says they are irrelevant soon they will be toppled.
I'm waiting for the comments of darkprince12 , Our lord and saviour came up with the term " Kushalubbudin "😂 To me he is an example of ambhramic hindu , Specially after I heard his take on freedom of speech
I agree with all points of mister Anand ranganathan ,but as he's already mentioned that he's not an expert of Hindu religion and things related to that he should have pondered more before declaring that what mahua said was right as Devi ma kaali accepts meat and alcohol So according to saptshati which describes ma durga and her various forms and other Hindu goddesses too it's clearly mentioned that by meat what maa kaali meant to accept was the meat of the asuras or demons which represents nothing but our inner flaws and bad deeds and what she meant by consuming alcohol was to consume the blood of the demons (again our inner flaws) as equivalent to मद or alcohol So those people who justifies the killings of animals and serving their meat and serving alcohol to ma kaali should be ashamed of it and should correct themselves as soon as possible!
shut the fuck up your sense of morality for our religion is not important at all, even rajputs, marathas offered meat and gave bali for Ma Bhavani and they have fought for dharma. I don't think anyone is trying to justify something we bengalis celebrate ma kaali as "Maacha" which means meat accepting deity. For Ma Kali's sake stop abrahamising my religion.
Who tf cares? It's still been A tradition .. what are you gonna do about that ? Stop nitpicking and cribbing so much .. In my own city /town temples 1000s of goats are sacrificed and consumed by people on or around durga puja, I'm trying to be vegitarian but can I really deny what's happening around me? And I'm not even in or from West Bengal
@@bababistril it's not a tradition but it's more of a wrong practice being made as a tradition by misinterpreting the message of maa Kaali Stop accusing me of nitpicking! It's people who are nitpicking maa Kaali's wordings to satisfy their own fun element and they should atleast know the truth about what they are practicing! Not everyone's blindfolded but you simply can't serve meat and alcohol to ma kaali by saying that she accepts it because she doesn't And i don't even care about people eating meat or not but they should atleast learn before Justifying anything in the name of their gods or goddesses which clearly shows their sick and greedy mentalities (which has attracted millions of other people too who weren't directly into all this) I'll not deny the reality but at the same time it's my right to criticise what's being wrongly practiced and of its true than I'm ready to back myself but as long as i have researched it's atleast got nothing to do with ma kali intentionally accepting animal or human meat or alcohol
So true. Hindus should not play the game of Islamists, just focus on your religion. Sunny Gupta was all alone fighting against his right to express, this is what Hindus should acknowledge. what a shame, stand with your people instead of becoming Islamists. Do Hindus know that last year in Tamil Nadu, one of the ancient temples that is under ASI and the Tamil Nadu state government protection was desecrated? Semen was thrown into the main idol of the temple....it was heartbreaking but does it allows us to go out and start killing people, NO. but unfortunately, no Hindu organization came forward and condemned the act, and asked the concerned authorities to be more careful. Don't become what you see as insanity, focus on your own growth and make yourself strong.
I am a believer and still support absolute free speech as you guys defined it. @anandRanganathan I thought your old friend Abhinandan also was for absolute free speech, at least earlier 😉Currently I don’t follow NL, so don’t know if he has changed . Coming back section 290 (or whatever) , I am not sure what it means when you say , you stand with them (the accused in 290) . I personally am against restrictions on free speech and want the law to be repealed , but I wouldn’t hesitate to use it if the situation arises. Because if the law exists on the book and can be used against me, it would be stupid of me to only allow its use against me and not use it on others. This is the best of both worlds for leftists and islamists… (I.e. harass who speak against Islam, but rw doesn’t use it against you, as they are free speech absolutists ) isn’t it?
After today's episode my respect for Anand Sir and G. Shikari has increased 😎👌🏽
Please mention G full form 😎😂😉 i want to know
Those who stayed till the end of this video and many videos like these, My heart goes out to you'll and of course to the efforts of the Creators and Modern Renaissance people of India, Like Kushal, Anand, Abhijit, Sham and many more. You'll are the reason for me to see hope in these dilapidated state of affairs of our beautiful cultural heritage.
True that!
Simple questions but I'm sure not a single Bhakt will reply. Why is Zubair still is custody even though his Tweet was just an opinion and that other guy got bail even though he was spreading false information?
Also why don't you people ever talk about 100 Smart Cities, 5 Trillion dollar economy on target, crores of new jobs, cheap essentials like petrol, bringing back all Swiss black money within 100 days, strong rupee against the dollar, ending corruption, taking back Akshai Chin from China etc
Why this obsession with only Hindu Muslim tropics all the time which will only take the country backwards
@@loki2259 just read the video title. You will know why.
@@gayatricasey6618
As expected even if someone countered it will be something useless not addressing my questions about Zubair still being in custody and ignoring useful tropics like BJPs manifesto development promises and only focusing on useless Hindu Muslim tropics.
@@loki2259 an answer you will get in the new podcast of kushal with Ajeet
Why don't you both come together more often! It was a treat to watch this podcast. Mr Ranganathan, I'm a big admirer 💐🙏
Anand is brilliant and true nationalist 🙏🙏
@@charvaka_guy He is a True Liberal..
@@Versatileabhi a person who support destruction of masjids and want to built temple over them is not a liberal
@@brahminvirodhiudit4641 where did he support that ? He even tweeted about building Babri masjid so that democratically judgement should be made and got the heat for right wingers..
Agree completely with the four exceptions to free speech. That should be the law.
Yep. Without free speech/expression u don’t live in a democracy. It’s a fascist country.
Imo doxxing should also be an exception. Publishing someone's personal phone number or address.. hence potentially endangering that individual, should not come under free speech
@@Dragon-yv3wt also being a degenerate (stuff like pedo, islamist)
Simple questions but I'm sure not a single Bhakt will reply. Why is Zubair still is custody even though his Tweet was just an opinion and that other guy got bail even though he was spreading false information?
Also why don't you people ever talk about 100 Smart Cities, 5 Trillion dollar economy on target, crores of new jobs, cheap essentials like petrol, bringing back all Swiss black money within 100 days, strong rupee against the dollar, ending corruption, taking back Akshai Chin from China etc
Why this obsession with only Hindu Muslim tropics all the time which will only take the country backwards
@@loki2259 I don't know why zubair is in prison. I support free speech and if he is there just for his opinions then I condemn it fully without any ifs and buts. And no.. talking about Hindu Muslim issues will not take the country backwards. It will take the country forward, by promoting mutual respect between communities. We "bhakts" want a uniform civil code for all, so that Muslim women are treated fairly. How is that taking the country backwards???
Heart change kar diya bhaiji aap dono ne. We will beat them by our rational behaviour.
Beautiful talk, left me with a smile on my face.
Kushal is doing a great job in promoting free speech. Personally he convinced me into free speech camp.
Dr. Anand Ranganathan always brings anand through his vivekabharita Vichar! Anand, you are extremely rare to find, trikaraNapoorvaka shudhdha manav, a great Sanātani like my beloved parents. You are not a hypocrite.
Thank you, Kushal for a very enlightening discussion. Love you all for what you stand for! I haven't seen anyone so open minded. I call you, Dr Anand and Abhijit Iyer Mitra, Tridevs. Always pleasure to listen to you all. Although you guys are atheists, your contribution towards Sanātana dharma is immense, invaluable. May Shri Saraswati Devi continue to shower HER choicest blessings on you all. Love n respect you three💐❤️🙇🎊🎉
And what about our sham
A tailor stiched the civilisation together
#kanhaiyalal
Wow,That was on point...🔥🔥
Matlab ek bahujan mara gaya brahmin ko support karne ke chakkar mein .
@@brahminvirodhiudit4641 by Islamists*
@@brahminvirodhiudit4641 a Hindu died supporting a Hindu but in ur eyes it's about caste
blasphemy laws should be removed as soon as possible
U mean blasphemy laws
There are none in India, Section 295A is a mild hate speech cum religious feelings law.
Our judges r dumb ,no blasphemy.
Yes. People shouldn't go to jail for speaking against religion.
Anand sir has a special seperate fan base !!
Ranga has always been at the forefront of free speech and his statements have always been illuminating but interestingly what was missing was Abhijeet Iyer Mitra and yes , Kushal rocks !
wow, such a heartwarming ending to a fantastic discussion. Thanks Kushal for getting Anand Sir here, more power to you!
Ranga sir spoke entirely out of heart.
Very true. When you are reacting to their insults and blasphemy, you enter their playground. And you lose because it's their game and rules. So don't get played.
Get that temple quietly but firmly.
Pretty excited to know that Anand will be on the meme review. It''s gonna be one hell of a review.
Ranga Sir... is more Hindu than any other preaching Hindu..Wish to meet him someday .
Your clarification makes Sense.
More people should listen it.
Section 295A should be removed , we should start fighting for FREE SPEECH.Also agree on the 4 exceptions of FREE SPEECH that Anand mentions.
n hope govt to control the grp that beheads
43:11 Mr. Wasim Rizvi had actually approached supreme court regarding removal of some verses claiming that those verses prmote hatred or violence But supreme court just dismissed his plea and even put a hefty fine on him. Ek oridnary citizen isse jyada kya karega aur jub supreme court ke ye haal hain to kon kis se kya hope rakhe. Hopeless institutions in a Great Country. Let's see how long Hindus alone can continue to beleive in and uphold consititution with constitution and it's institutions shortchanging them. Hopefully the Govts., constitution and it's institutions realize this and end their hatred and injustices towards Hindus before they run out of their patience.
hmm we hindus need to demand as a grp as a community to control other grps that promote hate n get evrythg like halal, religious teachg etc to b under govt dept that control n set the boarder as per hindustans culture - only the pressure on govt will make this happen
Waah yaar kya podcast tha👏👏 i had goosebumps when anand sir told about the padmanabhan temple thing🙏 keep going guys
What about Padmanabha temple ???
@@thoughts4872 Sir explained how he went to Shri Padmanabhan Temple and appreciated a sculpture which carved in the name of the architect and his family and this sculpture is near the entrance. So, he appreciates it as - what can be more beautiful that the architect is also given that much respect and even his sculpture is placed near the entrance
@@rajashks yet the shame shudras who created those temples were not allowed to enter those temple .
@@brahminvirodhiudit4641 f off bro
@@brahminvirodhiudit4641 Why do you want to go to a place where you are not welcome. Be a bhuddhist and hell with Hindus.
Loved the entire discussion, just one request with folded hands, plz don’t use Nupur Sharma & Kamlesh Tiwari in one breath, next to each other. Its unfortunate that Kamlesh Tiwari is no more, but for God sake Nupur Sharma is *alive*. May Gods protect her & her family members always.Its become so common to use these names together almost everywhere, maybe to highlight the severity of threat but it hurts me when the two are used in conjunction.Sorry if I am exaggerating ☹️🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Dr. Anand ranganathan i am big fan ❤❤ we want more of your podcasts
I know admire the ideas of Mr anand and we must promote him and we demand on sss podcast with kushal and aim. What he said completely support it. He is true liberal and a true patriot
Anandji, 100% agree with you. Bravery may not, but you are 100% honest and non-hypocractic
Love you Ranga Sir.
As I always say that kuch bhi kar lena par Ranga se panga nahi lena ❤
One of the best podcast ever
I somehow like Kushal, he is downright honest, and even being an atheist he is supporting Hinduism.
Because Hinduism is the most flexible religion where the atheist, theist and agnostic live together by respecting others beleifs and faiths. Due to this flexibility other religions were also born out of it.
I am an atheist too, but a super proud Hindu. The Hindu philosophy is sincere, deep and refreshing :))
I am an atheist. I go to temples, pray, read, sometimes follow some rituals as well..
sometimes I feel this society is already damned. We have no hope.
We need more honest people like Anand ranganathan sir.
Absolutely learning experience for me this podcast has been. Many many thanks Kushal Mehra and Anand Ranganathan.🙏
For the thousandth time, please bring him on the Thursday podcast🙏
Lovely to hear you both. Anand I have heard before but this side of Kushal was inspiring. Waiting for meme review with Anand.
It's always wonderful to hear Ranga sir.
I completely agree with u guys, u all are truly the rarest gems of these days.
Saved best for the Last Ranga in SSS Podcast for Meme Review! Its always a pleasure to hear Anand, SS, Kushal and AIM speak.
This is what sanskar brings a person in one
Kushal addressing a scientist : tu tu
Where Anand sahab addressing him : aap aap
Off topic but observed
Great discussion Ranga Sir and G-Sh'Qari
Excited to see Shri Ranganathan ji after a long time.
I love you Anand Sir, a pure heart man.
Listening to Anand sir is always feast 🌼
Brilliant discussion. On point.
Almost singing in my mind: aaiye aapka intezaar tha 🥰🥰 thanks for bringing AR
Ex muslims UA-cam channels like azad ground, dystopia to reason, kohram, sachwala, adam seeker, Apostate Imam, ex muslim sahil etc explain the ideology of Islam with reference in Arabic, Hindi, English, Urdu are doing phenomenal work.
The standard is "Falsely Shouting Fire in a. Crowded Theater ", emphasis is on "falsely"
brandon berg principle
This is a truly enlightening debate and a refreshing divergence from the shrillness and juvenility of many debates even on social media. I always thought Kushal was the most cerebral and sensible of the trio of Sham Sharma, AIM and himself but it's probably the same reason why he doesn't spark as much controversy. I am always amazed at Dr Ranganathan's ability to argue both sides and the range of topics he covers in his posts and debates. His arguments on Sec 295 here are outstanding. I only wish he would post more about his scientific work and how it's fashioned his outlook on life. The only time recently I remember him posting on science is a small thread during Covid and that was about Ramdev baba's Patanjali's derivative work! Also, I request Kushal to invite people from the ExMuslim movement and the ExChristian group to his channel to expand the debate on free speech.
Intersting to hear Ranga sir always
John Nash Equilibrium is taking Effect in India! That's for sure!
Jai Hind, Vande Mataram 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
@Parveen Mediratta , what is John Nash equilibrium.
Thoughtful conversation and awaiting Anand sir on Sham Sharma meme review....would be hilarious.. Cheers guys for the wonderful podcast.
Like in the movie DHOL when they think there is fire in the house, but hawan was going on. 😂 I hope kushal gets to see that clip, in meme review if anyone is on reditt.
This was fantastic 🤠... I urge you to invite him often for such interesting discussion. Kushal you're doing a great service in enlighting common educated Indian.
I think the main point of contention here is between principle and reality. From the perspective of principle, I agree with Kushal and Anand. But when it comes to realistically assessing the situation, I have some reservations. We can see that this madness did not start until Qatar jumped into the fray which was several days after Nupur made that statement on TV. It seemed like a coordinated and concerted effort to harm India in which several nations took part. What Nupur said has been claimed by many before but I don't think those instances would have attracted this kind of a reaction. It means that the target was not Nupur but India and Modi Government.
Secondly both the murders in Udaipur and Amravati are being investigated by NIA and from the inputs that have come from the agency, it seems that these incidents may not be hate crimes but a well planned and coordinated effort with links to Pakistan. In the Udaipur case, I have heard that apart from the killers, there were two other people arrested who were there as standby in case the two main operatives failed to carry out the task. Isn't this unusual? All this planning and strategy to kill Kanhaiya Lal Ji? He was after all a normal person who worked as a tailor. He wasn't some dangerous combat trained guy taking out whom would have required this much effort and planning.
So, in my opinion this is not a matter concerning free speech. This is directly related to national security. This is not a dispute but actually a full fledged attack on our country and civilization, like a war. We have to understand the difference between a dispute and a war. Disputes are resolved. But wars are fought, even if you want to resolve it a later stage. I think the Kushal and Anand have made the wrong diagnosis here. They are correct in principle but the disease is not what they believe it to be. The disease is something different altogether.
Great podcast as always.
But the ending was gold!!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Love Anand and Kushal.
1. Right to freedom of speech and expression is a guarantee against State action for speech and expression, people may feel offended. But, that feeling of being offended doesn't give anyone a right to perpetrate violence.
2. When anyone favours curbs on freedom of speech because we are not a mature democracy, I would tell them that the first requirement for becoming a mature Democracy is freedom of speech. We mature by discussing ideas threadbare and accepting what is right.
3. 295 is a blasphemy law passed by Christian British. Independent India with its cultural heritage of free speech didn't have to continue with it.
Anand is true human and non hypocritical 😊.
All four points by Ranganathan are in essence Super 👌
Tolerants become intolerant due to intolerance of intolerants.
Intention behind what is spoken is most important. if it is to harm (direct or impending physical) others or to spread intentional false propaganda (without any trace of truth), all else should be open for free speech.
He was talking about, prince of Bhavnagar. He is a descendant of Raja Krushna Kumar Singh of Bhavnagar (Gujarat). He was the first king who joined union of India and gave his treasury to government of India. Kushal you should read about him. He was a selfless and nationalist.
What happened to him ?
@@DhruvPatel-zg1zs Are wo anand sir, ne kaha na ki wo prince gada lekar excercise karta hai, aur Hanumanji ka bhakt hai. Me uski baat kar raha hu.
@@parthmendapara574 thanks i am also looking for him
@@veerswami7175 jaiveerraj Singh nam hai unka.
Simply awesome podcast love you both🥰🥰🥰🚩🚩💐💐
As jainism is based on non-violence, it is the only religion in which the more staunch or kattar a believer becomes, the more non-violent he/she becomes. Think about it.
Ranganath is such an open hearted man
India badly need true free speech.
THIS IS WHY YOU ARE IN CANADA GOT IT. KUSHALUDDIN.
A bit of a red-herring discussion this one. Anand and Kushal' travails stem not from the Hindu right having lost its appetite for free speech, but because an increasing number,rightly in my view, are correctly recognising that we are in a battle of survival. And when we are fighting that battle with weapons other than free speech, that means only that we are entering battle with them and are going to fight them any which way. It is up to Kushal and Anand to realise and understand that their pet theme absolute free speech(excluding the four exceptions mentioned by Anand which I also actually agree) is itself dependent upon the community surviving first and securing the perimeters.
Mahua Moitra is an interesting case Of course Hinduism allows you to imagine your Gods and Godesses. Mahua Moitra too could very well have done that and i would have supported her also - if she were doing that only, i.e. imagining her own goddess. Or for that matter Leena Manimegalai also , if imagining her godess is what she was actually doing. But that isn't what she was doing.
Imagining your goddess of the kind Anand is referring to would have involved two other things- (1) it would be generally respectful of other imaginings of the same Goddess and not felt compelled to describe them as North Indian, upper caste, Brahminical, Patriarchal. Those buzzwords now have a very specific connotation. (2) secondly, using the argument of I have a right to imagine my own Goddess, (of course you do) you cannot be destroying the very ecosystem which enables you to imagine your own God's and Goddesses. Surely an ecosystem which allows you to do that, if such an ecosystem is in a majority, such a majoritarianism cannot really be a threat to secularism or free speech, could it? Mahua Moitra is.part of a formation which is engaged in destroying this ecosystem. She has allied with those who are intent upon destroying this ecosystem. The imagining of my Goddess no longer happens in that part of Bengal which has now become Bangladesh.
When I stand against Mahua Moitra, it is not really against free speech and free thought. It is rather a rallying around the ecosystem which facilitates such freedoms. That battle won't be won by the kind of arguments put forth by both Kushal and Anand.
So damm true 🙏
U have put down a good point.
Mere dono bade bhai ek hi video me.... Love u both
Excellent discussion as always.
Hitchens never wanted to destroy religion... He just said you can play with your toys ... Don't force me to play with your toys
Free Speech that relates to or accusses any one of blasphemy as defined under Islam must not be allowed as that results into a murder or "sar tan se juda" without any due process of law as seen established by tradition, practices and precedences. Such a speech specially accompnied with a call of punishment or Sar tan Se Juda must be charged under Section 115 IPC, Abetment of Murder.
SHAME on judge Kant for Justifying Kanhaiya’s Beheading and blaming Nupur and Not Haraami Jihadis, Kant said Nothing about that Idiot rehmani Insulting Lord Shiv. REMOVE Kant.
arey unki bhi phati hongi obvio hai darr tho lagta hai hindus dnt behead hindus r easy target as n e ways soya hua crowd hai kya ho ukhad lengee
@@priharahj5515 ab log jaag raha hai, ab Haraami Jihadi ko bardasht nahin karega. ajmer dargah aur uske Idiot khadims aur Haraami chistis ka BOYCOTT ho raha hai.
Fantastic explanation… awesome guys..
Respect increased 🙏🙏
I agree with Anand leftist and Ibrahamic religions made Hindus more fundamentalist in their thoughts.
Basically in case of religious scentiment ..the aspect of INSULT has to be defined clearly ...for example Krishna married 16k gopis is not insult bcoz its there in the books but if u call him a pervert is insult ....likewise Momad marries 6 yr old Aisha is no insult its their in the book Sahih Bukhari which they follow as Sunnah and Sunnat....so it cannot be an insult
Abhijeet Iyer mitra threatened with SCST Act on twitter against someone who jokingly referred to him as 'Chadaal'. So much for free speech absolutism
And Kushal said he does not support him on that(in a monologue after that iirc).
Jokingly those people said it with malice to Abhinav prakash singh .
A dalit who ironically is in BJP .
But it was Abhinav's fault brahmin bania party mein rahega to gali padegi hi .
Brahmins can never respect bahujans that's why we will not let brahmins win .
Every one is a free speech absolutist until it comes to you. I don't think there is such thing called absolutist free speech its American myth, even America today do not have absolute free speech, Europe do not have it today, even country like Japan, Korea don't have it, India don't have it, Middle East don't have it, Latin America don't have it, Africa don't have it, Asia don't have it. Tell me where we have absolutist free speech. What America, Europe has was for a very brief period of time when you become economically rich, developed, materialistically success then you can have ansolute free speech for a time as people has so much that they don't care about what anybody has said. But you go into a country like congo, Afghanistan, Saud Arabia, India, China, Russia, Brazil, Argentina etc and start preaching absolute free speech then you are an idiot. Every country is not America and it can't be America it just not possible different countries have different realities, culture, society etc and people have to live in there reality its a harsh truth, you have to realistic about expectations. I can say in India we can have diversity of speech at best but not absolute free speech because 1st hindus by large today don't support it, Muslims and Christians in India are violently against it, 2nd hindus don't have a religious command to abuse non hindu religion or traditions to show there supremacy that is not the case with islam and Christianity it is there religious duty to abuse , harass, dehumanize, insult hindus just to show that there religion is superior and only way and only truth, 3rd hindus will face one sided organized attack from these desert cult and we are not in a position to retaliate, so diversity of speech is more realistic right now and it also supports hindu society. Again I am just saying we have to be realistic we cannot expect every country to be like America even usa today do not have absolute free speech it had earlier not anymore 😒 sad. Every country has to find its own way of dealing things and issues just copying west do not solve the problem what works in west may not work in India or Africa or China or Mexico or Middle East etc. Anyway its my analysis of this issue .
@@punyashloka4946 what I don't support free speech if we do .
Brahmins will make our life miserable .
Mant Dalits don't know about SC/ST act .
But a religion called Hinduism and brahminism which literally treated us like animals I have all the right to make fun of it .
Also filed a case on that trad gang
The same trad lot abused and hurled casteist slurs on Abhinav Prakash as well
Nothing wrong in what Abhijit did
What are 3 and half things where Dr Ranganathan disagrees with Dr Ambedkar???
Anyone?
fan of thoughts of anand sir.
The reason why religion gets a free pass in society: Religion gives many people their core identity. Its diffcult for intelligent free thinking, logical people who are scientifically minded to understand this, but religion provides masses with an identity and a sense of purpose. While 'find your own purpose' is great, its high falutin advice which only few can execute and internalise. The majority of people in any country are followers, they cannot necessarily think for themselves. They want and need to be told what to do. Here religion comes in with a sense of identity( Who am I? ). Religion is the current answer to the question of 'Who am I?", and its basic answers are Hindu, Muslim etc. Taking away religion from a society will create a nihilistic vaccuum where ugly forces like social justice and post-modern intersecitonality come in. Until and unless people do not find other, more authentic sources of 'identity' and 'purpose', rleigion in its current form will stay. That is why people are so attached to religion because it gives them a semblance of identity.
Its actually sad now ppl actuallly think atheists and agnostics are also anti-national.
Oh atheist today are anti national specially neo atheist.
Don't care about them if u belive in the sanctity of Indian state and belive in constitutional rights of every Indian u are not anti national .
Don't care about what Brahmins says they are irrelevant soon they will be toppled.
Shocked to hear about sunny's case
It always to see you discussing with you anyone specially with Anand very enlightening and chemistry between you guys is fabulous
This the most viewed podcast till now ............. may be
Under the pretext of freedom of speech and expression every dogs are barking and says it's their right to bark.
Oh so looking forward to Dr Anand on meme review in SSS.
Love this podcast
Ajeet is Jonny depp where as AIM is Jonny sin 🤣🤣🤣
Grt discussion
I am big fan anand ji or hai tridev ka bhi
I'm waiting for the comments of darkprince12 ,
Our lord and saviour came up with the term
" Kushalubbudin "😂
To me he is an example of ambhramic hindu ,
Specially after I heard his take on freedom of speech
Sunny gupta was correct ,and the state was wrong.
Ambiguity about 295 must be removed with strict guidelines.
I support free speech but not a cost of breaking social structure
30 seconds :) Perfect
I hope free speech prevails
I agree with all points of mister Anand ranganathan ,but as he's already mentioned that he's not an expert of Hindu religion and things related to that he should have pondered more before declaring that what mahua said was right as Devi ma kaali accepts meat and alcohol
So according to saptshati which describes ma durga and her various forms and other Hindu goddesses too it's clearly mentioned that by meat what maa kaali meant to accept was the meat of the asuras or demons which represents nothing but our inner flaws and bad deeds and what she meant by consuming alcohol was to consume the blood of the demons (again our inner flaws) as equivalent to मद or alcohol
So those people who justifies the killings of animals and serving their meat and serving alcohol to ma kaali should be ashamed of it and should correct themselves as soon as possible!
He he people used to sacrifice humans to Kali it happened even in modern times .
People still give pashubali to Kali
shut the fuck up your sense of morality for our religion is not important at all, even rajputs, marathas offered meat and gave bali for Ma Bhavani and they have fought for dharma. I don't think anyone is trying to justify something we bengalis celebrate ma kaali as "Maacha" which means meat accepting deity. For Ma Kali's sake stop abrahamising my religion.
Who tf cares?
It's still been A tradition .. what are you gonna do about that ?
Stop nitpicking and cribbing so much ..
In my own city /town temples 1000s of goats are sacrificed and consumed by people on or around durga puja,
I'm trying to be vegitarian but can I really deny what's happening around me?
And I'm not even in or from West Bengal
@@bababistril it's not a tradition but it's more of a wrong practice being made as a tradition by misinterpreting the message of maa Kaali
Stop accusing me of nitpicking! It's people who are nitpicking maa Kaali's wordings to satisfy their own fun element and they should atleast know the truth about what they are practicing!
Not everyone's blindfolded but you simply can't serve meat and alcohol to ma kaali by saying that she accepts it because she doesn't
And i don't even care about people eating meat or not but they should atleast learn before Justifying anything in the name of their gods or goddesses which clearly shows their sick and greedy mentalities (which has attracted millions of other people too who weren't directly into all this)
I'll not deny the reality but at the same time it's my right to criticise what's being wrongly practiced and of its true than I'm ready to back myself but as long as i have researched it's atleast got nothing to do with ma kali intentionally accepting animal or human meat or alcohol
Most Kalibaris have animal sacrifice. Try going there and protesting, you will be slapped with article 295.
Awesome talk as always
So true. Hindus should not play the game of Islamists, just focus on your religion. Sunny Gupta was all alone fighting against his right to express, this is what Hindus should acknowledge. what a shame, stand with your people instead of becoming Islamists. Do Hindus know that last year in Tamil Nadu, one of the ancient temples that is under ASI and the Tamil Nadu state government protection was desecrated? Semen was thrown into the main idol of the temple....it was heartbreaking but does it allows us to go out and start killing people, NO. but unfortunately, no Hindu organization came forward and condemned the act, and asked the concerned authorities to be more careful. Don't become what you see as insanity, focus on your own growth and make yourself strong.
Ranga is monster gangsta debater.
Put his viewpoints audaciously and ferocity.
Mahua has offended hindu sentiments because the way she comment about KALI , is same as Nupur said about muhamad .
I am a believer and still support absolute free speech as you guys defined it. @anandRanganathan I thought your old friend Abhinandan also was for absolute free speech, at least earlier 😉Currently I don’t follow NL, so don’t know if he has changed . Coming back section 290 (or whatever) , I am not sure what it means when you say , you stand with them (the accused in 290) . I personally am against restrictions on free speech and want the law to be repealed , but I wouldn’t hesitate to use it if the situation arises. Because if the law exists on the book and can be used against me, it would be stupid of me to only allow its use against me and not use it on others. This is the best of both worlds for leftists and islamists… (I.e. harass who speak against Islam, but rw doesn’t use it against you, as they are free speech absolutists ) isn’t it?