🌟 Hey Everyone. Feel free to skip around the video to the bits you need / to what interests you. Timestamps below: 🌟 This Revit Groups Tutorial model is available for download from the following link: www.buymeacoffee.com/8020BIM/e/24675 Introduction - 0:00 Tip 1- Schedule Model Groups in Revit - 1:00 Tip 2: Nested Groups in Revit - 3:24 Tip 3: Multiple Attached Detail Groups can be associated to one Model Group in Revit - 7:10 Tip 4: Be Wary of Mirroring Groups in Revit - 10:17 Tip 5: Keep your Revit Groups on the Level.... Literally - 13:25 Tip 6: Fixing Groups does not, in fact, Fix Groups in Revit - 15:44 Tip 7: Be wary of Sketch Based Model elements in Groups - 17:11 Tip 8: Revit Groups can be used temporarily to improve modelling efficiency - 21:31 Tip 9: Be Intentional about the Size of Revit Groups - 24:35 Tip 10: Hosting and Hosted Elements should both be present in a Group - 26:40 Tip 11: Constraints of Grouped elements should be within the Model Group only - 28:54 Tip 12: Keep your Datum information out of Groups - 31:51 Tip 13: Avoid Model attachments in Revit - 33:21 Tip 14: When to Use a Revit Nested Family instead of a Model Group - 37:18 Tip 15: Do not include Party, Corridor and Exterior Walls in Revit Model Groups - 41:27 Tip 16: When to Use a Revit Assembly instead of a Model Group - 43:52 Tip 17: How to save your Revit Model Group out as an independent Model- 47:49 Tip 18: You can Place Revit Groups Directly from the Architecture Tab - 50:38 Tip 19: Move your Revit Group Origin point to a sensible location - 52:15 Tip 20: Revit Groups are for multiple instances, not one - 56:45 Tip 21: Ceiling Hosted Families can be problematic in Groups - 57:35 Tip 22: Name your Revit Groups Intelligently - be descriptive - 1:01:26 See you for the next one! Niall
Wow this is certainly the best video about Revit's groups i have ever watched. Extremely detailed and complete. Excellent job Niail. I can't wait for the one about assemblies.
Hey Ben, glad to hear from your and glad to hear you liked the video :) If its of interest to you I have a community discord server if you are ever interested in chatting with myself and others about Revit, BIM and AEC in general. discord.gg/mCekYkHu Hope you have been keeping well through all the madness. Niall
@@8020BIM Well i did my best through the "madness" but as you may it had serious effects on the architectural and construction industry so i am quite busy to keep my agency floating. As soon as possible i will be glad and honored to join your community. Keep safe you and your beloved ones.
Thank you very much for the effort to dissect the undersides of the groups as always brilliant in the explanation of the hidden undersides of REVIT, Good continuation
Adding the skip to time stamp is frick'n awesome! Thanks man.. I'm looking to find a way to nest a window family into a Door family and haven't been successful so far and thinking its probably not even possible. My firm redevelops old mill buildings and due to the National Parks guidelines we have to retain existing masonry openings so having a 8' wide by 11' tall opening is pretty common. When they are at grade we are allowed to add a door but must retain the historic window we typically install the door to one side and fill the remaining side and area above the door with windows kind of like a jigsaw puzzle. This compounded by arched openings that are typical for these old textile buildings. I started working with curtain walls but failed miserably.
For historic Renovations I really think your firm will need to ID the most used family types (with regard to the typical buildings you are working with) and put time and resources towards generating the families from scratch. It is a lot of work front end but saves a lot of time and money down the line, particularly if it is a commong project type for your firm. Going external to a third party family creator might be the best balance of cost, time and quality of resources developed. Thanks for the positive feedback, I appreciate it :) Niall
Unfortunately, I ran into several issues that you indicated in this video. And as I work with multi-story buildings with 4 units per floor, where all are identical but mirrored, I always come across "unpleasant surprises". By standard procedure I create a unit that is mirrored by the central axes of the building. To simplify the process and avoid errors when mirroring I usually do independent groups. One composed by the pumbling fixtures and furniture parts, wich I don't mirror them. And another one with the walls, floors, ceilings, doors, windows and rooms. However, even if i get no error warning, it is very common for some rooms to disappear from one of the group's instances. So eventually i end by removing the rooms from the group
Hey Niall...totally random question but I noticed on the membership you do zoom tutorials which may interest me down the line,the only thing is I build my pc a few months ago but im missing a webcam...you're vids seem decent quality,may i ask what one you use??
Hi Stevo, I use a Logitech C920 Webcam. Does the job but there are cheaper options that would get you by. Depends on the quality you need to get to. I have a discord channel for the 8020BIM community where you can get me for odds and sods of questions like this Stevo so feel free to join. discord.gg/mCekYkHu Would love to hear what PC Build you went with as I am looking at building again myself soon. Niall
I love your videos. Would you have a separate group for the exterior walls if the shell consists of one unit mirrored to the other side? Or is it advisable not to group exterior walls? And if so, why do you think?
Thanks for the video! incredibly helpfull! ive got one question regarding one of the points you made. in particular tip 5. do you mean by this that everything that is in a certain group needs to be on the same level, but you can afterwards use the group on different levels? or do you mean dont even try too use groups on different levels at all, for example by copying to selected levels.
Hi Bas, glad you found it informative. Great question - I specifically meant that everything within a single group should be associated to the same level (for example, you would not want a wall on the ground floor and a wall on the first floor within the same group instance) The group itself can be copied to other levels after this without issue and is very effective in doing so, such as for hotel rooms, apartment layouts etc. Hope this answers the query for you Bas. Niall
using revit 23 for a multifamily project and trying to add lights for electrical to copy monitor for wiring/switching to. created a ceiling hosted family and some units stack, ceilings are groups copied to each level and read associated to the correct level but get the error about fix groups when adding the lights to some ceilings. tried the nudge up and nudge down but didnt work. any other suggestions
Hi David. Yes that would be advisable to ensure the group integrity. Thanks for you support membership also. I hope you find the downloads helpful! Niall
🌟 Hey Everyone. Feel free to skip around the video to the bits you need / to what interests you. Timestamps below: 🌟
This Revit Groups Tutorial model is available for download from the following link:
www.buymeacoffee.com/8020BIM/e/24675
Introduction - 0:00
Tip 1- Schedule Model Groups in Revit - 1:00
Tip 2: Nested Groups in Revit - 3:24
Tip 3: Multiple Attached Detail Groups can be associated to one Model Group in Revit - 7:10
Tip 4: Be Wary of Mirroring Groups in Revit - 10:17
Tip 5: Keep your Revit Groups on the Level.... Literally - 13:25
Tip 6: Fixing Groups does not, in fact, Fix Groups in Revit - 15:44
Tip 7: Be wary of Sketch Based Model elements in Groups - 17:11
Tip 8: Revit Groups can be used temporarily to improve modelling efficiency - 21:31
Tip 9: Be Intentional about the Size of Revit Groups - 24:35
Tip 10: Hosting and Hosted Elements should both be present in a Group - 26:40
Tip 11: Constraints of Grouped elements should be within the Model Group only - 28:54
Tip 12: Keep your Datum information out of Groups - 31:51
Tip 13: Avoid Model attachments in Revit - 33:21
Tip 14: When to Use a Revit Nested Family instead of a Model Group - 37:18
Tip 15: Do not include Party, Corridor and Exterior Walls in Revit Model Groups - 41:27
Tip 16: When to Use a Revit Assembly instead of a Model Group - 43:52
Tip 17: How to save your Revit Model Group out as an independent Model- 47:49
Tip 18: You can Place Revit Groups Directly from the Architecture Tab - 50:38
Tip 19: Move your Revit Group Origin point to a sensible location - 52:15
Tip 20: Revit Groups are for multiple instances, not one - 56:45
Tip 21: Ceiling Hosted Families can be problematic in Groups - 57:35
Tip 22: Name your Revit Groups Intelligently - be descriptive - 1:01:26
See you for the next one!
Niall
Extremely valuable, thank you for putting time into this.
Wow this is certainly the best video about Revit's groups i have ever watched. Extremely detailed and complete. Excellent job Niail. I can't wait for the one about assemblies.
Hey Ben, glad to hear from your and glad to hear you liked the video :)
If its of interest to you I have a community discord server if you are ever interested in chatting with myself and others about Revit, BIM and AEC in general.
discord.gg/mCekYkHu
Hope you have been keeping well through all the madness.
Niall
@@8020BIM Well i did my best through the "madness" but as you may it had serious effects on the architectural and construction industry so i am quite busy to keep my agency floating.
As soon as possible i will be glad and honored to join your community.
Keep safe you and your beloved ones.
@@leben1841 absolutely understand that. Will talk to you soon. Anything you want to reach out on please feel free to.
Thank you very much for the effort to dissect the undersides of the groups as always brilliant in the explanation of the hidden undersides of REVIT, Good continuation
Thanks for the positive feedback Ben. I am glad you found the video informative.
Niall
Adding the skip to time stamp is frick'n awesome! Thanks man..
I'm looking to find a way to nest a window family into a Door family and haven't been successful so far and thinking its probably not even possible. My firm redevelops old mill buildings and due to the National Parks guidelines we have to retain existing masonry openings so having a 8' wide by 11' tall opening is pretty common. When they are at grade we are allowed to add a door but must retain the historic window we typically install the door to one side and fill the remaining side and area above the door with windows kind of like a jigsaw puzzle. This compounded by arched openings that are typical for these old textile buildings. I started working with curtain walls but failed miserably.
For historic Renovations I really think your firm will need to ID the most used family types (with regard to the typical buildings you are working with) and put time and resources towards generating the families from scratch. It is a lot of work front end but saves a lot of time and money down the line, particularly if it is a commong project type for your firm. Going external to a third party family creator might be the best balance of cost, time and quality of resources developed.
Thanks for the positive feedback, I appreciate it :)
Niall
Deep stuff here, and very practical, excellent job. Cheers!
Thanks Matty, glad you found it in some way informative, appreciate the feedback. Cheers!
Niall
Unfortunately, I ran into several issues that you indicated in this video. And as I work with multi-story buildings with 4 units per floor, where all are identical but mirrored, I always come across "unpleasant surprises". By standard procedure I create a unit that is mirrored by the central axes of the building.
To simplify the process and avoid errors when mirroring I usually do independent groups. One composed by the pumbling fixtures and furniture parts, wich I don't mirror them. And another one with the walls, floors, ceilings, doors, windows and rooms. However, even if i get no error warning, it is very common for some rooms to disappear from one of the group's instances. So eventually i end by removing the rooms from the group
Hey Niall...totally random question but I noticed on the membership you do zoom tutorials which may interest me down the line,the only thing is I build my pc a few months ago but im missing a webcam...you're vids seem decent quality,may i ask what one you use??
Hi Stevo,
I use a Logitech C920 Webcam. Does the job but there are cheaper options that would get you by. Depends on the quality you need to get to.
I have a discord channel for the 8020BIM community where you can get me for odds and sods of questions like this Stevo so feel free to join.
discord.gg/mCekYkHu
Would love to hear what PC Build you went with as I am looking at building again myself soon.
Niall
Thank's
I love your videos.
Would you have a separate group for the exterior walls if the shell consists of one unit mirrored to the other side? Or is it advisable not to group exterior walls? And if so, why do you think?
Thanks for the video! incredibly helpfull! ive got one question regarding one of the points you made. in particular tip 5. do you mean by this that everything that is in a certain group needs to be on the same level, but you can afterwards use the group on different levels? or do you mean dont even try too use groups on different levels at all, for example by copying to selected levels.
Hi Bas, glad you found it informative.
Great question - I specifically meant that everything within a single group should be associated to the same level (for example, you would not want a wall on the ground floor and a wall on the first floor within the same group instance)
The group itself can be copied to other levels after this without issue and is very effective in doing so, such as for hotel rooms, apartment layouts etc.
Hope this answers the query for you Bas.
Niall
using revit 23 for a multifamily project and trying to add lights for electrical to copy monitor for wiring/switching to. created a ceiling hosted family and some units stack, ceilings are groups copied to each level and read associated to the correct level but get the error about fix groups when adding the lights to some ceilings. tried the nudge up and nudge down but didnt work. any other suggestions
Help me, How can I group steel beams that have connections ?
Would it be prudent to "reveal constraints" and unpin/delete all constraints to external geometry prior to group creation?
Hi David. Yes that would be advisable to ensure the group integrity.
Thanks for you support membership also. I hope you find the downloads helpful!
Niall