Sorry to hear about your debacle and thank you so much for your service! I am glad that you got it straightened out. The only time they make an exception on the tune is when you install an aftermarket supercharger kit that has a modified air fuel map with an executive order. They flagged my 2011 Mustang that has a Stage 1 Roush kit on it on its last smog test... when I did my virtual apt with the ref he said that they just wanted to see the car... and they did, and I passed... After watching all the videos, I sent my PCM to Roush and even had them verify that it was their tune that was covered under EO D-418-23 before I went in. They never even looked at the verification paper because they already knew when they plugged into the car. I even took my original product invoice when I bought the charger kit from Roush... didn't want to see that either...
Thank you for answering that question for me in my new video where i talk about how i finally passed i ask how can you pass smog with a whipple supercharger if it has an EO number so what you are saying is if it has an EO number for the supercharger they bypass the tune because its required to remap the air fuel?
@@SVTVasquez Yes. My kit has a tune that is part of the whole system which is covered by the executive order (it is even listed under the parts list when you look up the paperwork under the CARB database). When you send the PCM to Roush (you could also flash it yourself using a passive device with a file that they will give you), they repogram it with their map and I think that the state ref has that CVN on file where they know that it has been modified correctly. Since I was flagged, the original CVN had to have been changed, but the new CVN is covered by the executive order.
I was sent to the state ref last year too. Had to put the car completely back to stock. They wanted the stock pulley back on too and I took out my afr and boost gauge too. The main issue was with the tune which is why cobras are getting flagged to the ref. The ref told me as soon as they plug in there computer to the car it tells them right away if the tune is factory or not. I was lucky to have had my factory tune still on the sct handheld tuner. Flashed it back to stock and took it back. My only other option was to go to the dealer for a reflash but I didn't have to go that route. Ended up passing.
@@agent47idk15 No I didn't have to go to court. It wasn't from a ticket it was flagged from just a regular smog check. Once I took it to the ref I just paid for the smog certificate there and that was it.
To all, if you are going to tune your car, don't use SCT... always use HP tuners with the emissions profile that way it does not modify the CVN and you will not get flagged. The SCT devices use the same template on all years and that is how they get you!
Wait I used Hptuners on my 99 trans am there is an emissions profile? I need to make a few adjustments like idle and stuff like that, will that change the cvn?
@@martinez1701a I have no idea.... if you aren't sure, you should keep your original PCM/ECM stock and get another one out of a junk car and tune that one to be safe.
Did the BAR just finally cave and say the 03 tune was good enough? Usually if you get a affidavit from ford that that is the tune file that thier programming software loads based on the VIN the BAR should accept that.
Join SVT forums bro and ask around , or “Sell” your car to a relative out of state, or “move” to your relatives house and register the car in your name out of state and let that out of state dmv know that you have kids in Cali and sometimes drive to see them . And get the out of state plates on it
haha man i got a state ref on my m3 back in december, i got the ticket in the mail a month ago, state ref passed my decible test but my car cannot pass smog and never will so i'm pretty much fucked at this point and have no idea what to do
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That's the beurocracy that was voted into place, also why I no longer live there. So sad. On the other hand, props for keeping it safe and in the garage. No miles running up. You'll get to enjoy it sometime soon.
Lesson is, don't use those stupid handheld tuners that have one program on them for all the years of vehicles like SCT.... shit like that sucks... use HP tuners.
CA is a fucking joke! Selling my beloved fully built Viper ACR because of this issue! Can’t wait until I move out of CA and get out of this garbage ass state.
Some DMV - STATE workers use $ to denote S so it does not get confused with the number 5. Bad hand writing and eye sight can confuse and 1971 computers. Love
Bro you in san jose? Thay cobra is super clean. I stay in san jose as well. Those guys are a joke, Go to the pick n pull and find an ecu off a 2003 Cobra lol. Any luck 3 weeks later ?
It looks like just some kind of database error that they returned to you. Googling around it looks like you might need 4R3A-12A650-TC for a 2004 4.6L 4V V8. I am not an expert here so I am unclear on if that's a part number for an ECU or a tune (or both.) I believe everything they listed here is an ECU part number though. I wonder if the issue is the ECU itself and not the tune? Do you know it's the original ECU for your 2004? What part number is on it? If that number helps Ford flash the right thing you could see if that works. Also not sure if there is a CA specific difference. In any case they are also asking you for a dealer invoice so you could get your Ford dealer to write something up on an invoice that verifies they believe you have the correct ECU and tune for the car. I'd have them screenshot or take a photo of what comes back in their system when they search for your VIN and that it matches what's on the car. Basically go back to BAR with evidence of: hey I believe this is right and Ford is telling me this is right. I would also advise you google around and look at BAR documents etc and hunt down an email of someone higher up there to contact.
Yeah I put in the 2003 number and it comes up as correct for that car so I'm searching for the 04 and I only found the one you found and I believe that might be for a ford gt I don't think it will work but ill try communicating with ford
@@SVTVasquez shows up as for Mustang everywhere I look. Talk to Ford. Your car is a MY 2004 right? Do you know the manufacturing date? I wonder if they changed this halfway through the model year 2004 run or something.
You are right I am broke I asked ford to sell me a new ECU and that ECU has been discontinued so if i got an aftermarket ECU and I would have to upload a tune to it. If ford is uploading the wrong tune to it already a new ECU wouldn't help me at all. I already passed smog and there is a video on what I had to do to fix it.
Man I got ticket for walking in Cali I moved for someone in a cross walk and my foot stepped out of the walk and got a ticket for it after that I moved never been back and I don’t have to deal with smog crap
i failed because my cats arent Cali compliant will buying a CARB LEGAL magnaflow fix my failing? im not buying OEM cats for $1200 but magnaflow makes Universal CARB LEGAL or universal so will that be passing?
There are two things. Yes Carb legal exhaust will solve your problems make sure you read the details on the exhaust so that it says 50 states or if it mentions california carb legal. The carb legal part are the catalytic converters they will have an OE number on that part. The 2nd part is you'll need to complete your driving cycle after installing the exhaust because more than likely your o2 sensors aren't set since you currently don't have catalytic converters but after 2 to 3 drives it should set. You'll need to drive for 25mph stop and go about 3 times drive up to 35mph stop and go and then 45mph. It's very tedious so take you time.
@@SVTVasquez okay thnx man the info really helps this thing is stressing me out because I have to find a way to save money and re schedule and my court date is in 3 weeks I don’t even know if I’ll have it fix by then
@@SVTVasquez yeah one more thing so I heard some don’t Reff there car and wait till court date? That just confuses me more so for me what happens if I don’t get it fix and reffed by the time my court date arrives am I screwed? I think from what I heard some people don’t do anything and fight it off court idk what’s you’re tip for me? Anything will help
@SENPAII look up nate rider or something like that he had a the court situation but I didn't have that in my situation so I know nothing about court dates mine was just a ref inspection and that's it.
I got state reffed too man i heard alot of us cobras are even though we passed recent smogs or "passed" but if the case is an ecu cant be tampered with well thats bullshit...
is that a pressure sensor for your tires? i dont believe that is part of the smog check but you can simply call a smog shop to ask. The state ref is going to look at the same things a smog shop would.
@@expatconn7242 the reason I did that was because i don't have my boot bands. Had to improvise lol. My uniform was squared away when I was active duty but thank you for your service and hope your son is well 🙏
Wow that is crazy I live in California as well I have a 03 cobra I bought that was state referee I have an appointment this Thursday everything is stock on the car I have my code for my JLT the only thing I’m confused with is the tune, not sure if the car has a 91 tune or Stock tune, would Eisele sell with a 91 tune? Please let me know what you think thanks
The guy I got the car off of gave me a tuner when I plug it in I see custom tune and then I see 91 tune,Not sure if I will pass but everything else is stock I have a appointment this Thursday at the state referee here in California
Cali is saf. If u own your car and have the note u should be able to modify it. Having an afr guage is beneficial these politicians are destroying America 🤬🤬
Yes during the process of going through the state ref I was told once the car is payed off it gets a bit better so as of now I still have the car stock and I enjoy it as it is
If its state reffed you can drive it considering that your tags and registration are still valid. To get it registered you'll need to pass smog eventually and when that happens you will fail if you have a straight pipe. So expired tags can get your car impounded. But im not a legal advisor like I mention in my video I'm not a smog expert I just share my personal experiences
@@SVTVasquez ill have to go back to stock and take it to reffere I have tags till June so I'll have to get it done then in order to get updated tags ? Also under my name I have title
@@SRTsmokes so yeah do what you have to do now because after it expires you'll need permits to drive the car anywhere. Since you have time take it to the shops you need to take it to if it needs work and get it ready for state ref
@@SRTsmokes the ref is going to look under the car with a mirror the muffler that has catalytic converters will have a serial number he needs that number
@@Bayareaglobz Its all good there was a follow up video I went back to the dealership and got it right the second time around my car is completely carb legal now.
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Sorry to hear about your debacle and thank you so much for your service! I am glad that you got it straightened out. The only time they make an exception on the tune is when you install an aftermarket supercharger kit that has a modified air fuel map with an executive order. They flagged my 2011 Mustang that has a Stage 1 Roush kit on it on its last smog test... when I did my virtual apt with the ref he said that they just wanted to see the car... and they did, and I passed... After watching all the videos, I sent my PCM to Roush and even had them verify that it was their tune that was covered under EO D-418-23 before I went in. They never even looked at the verification paper because they already knew when they plugged into the car. I even took my original product invoice when I bought the charger kit from Roush... didn't want to see that either...
Thank you for answering that question for me in my new video where i talk about how i finally passed i ask how can you pass smog with a whipple supercharger if it has an EO number so what you are saying is if it has an EO number for the supercharger they bypass the tune because its required to remap the air fuel?
@@SVTVasquez Yes. My kit has a tune that is part of the whole system which is covered by the executive order (it is even listed under the parts list when you look up the paperwork under the CARB database). When you send the PCM to Roush (you could also flash it yourself using a passive device with a file that they will give you), they repogram it with their map and I think that the state ref has that CVN on file where they know that it has been modified correctly. Since I was flagged, the original CVN had to have been changed, but the new CVN is covered by the executive order.
Thanks for your service, and the info about state ref. Helps everyone else out
Appreciate it good luck hope it all works out for you
I was sent to the state ref last year too. Had to put the car completely back to stock. They wanted the stock pulley back on too and I took out my afr and boost gauge too. The main issue was with the tune which is why cobras are getting flagged to the ref. The ref told me as soon as they plug in there computer to the car it tells them right away if the tune is factory or not. I was lucky to have had my factory tune still on the sct handheld tuner. Flashed it back to stock and took it back. My only other option was to go to the dealer for a reflash but I didn't have to go that route. Ended up passing.
Yeah I took mine to the dealership just passed last month
Did you go to court? And if you did how much was the fee
@@agent47idk15 No I didn't have to go to court. It wasn't from a ticket it was flagged from just a regular smog check. Once I took it to the ref I just paid for the smog certificate there and that was it.
Thank you for your service 😃
Eeeempoolliizzeee thank you my my friend 🙏
To all, if you are going to tune your car, don't use SCT... always use HP tuners with the emissions profile that way it does not modify the CVN and you will not get flagged. The SCT devices use the same template on all years and that is how they get you!
Wait I used Hptuners on my 99 trans am there is an emissions profile? I need to make a few adjustments like idle and stuff like that, will that change the cvn?
@@martinez1701a I have no idea.... if you aren't sure, you should keep your original PCM/ECM stock and get another one out of a junk car and tune that one to be safe.
Did the BAR just finally cave and say the 03 tune was good enough? Usually if you get a affidavit from ford that that is the tune file that thier programming software loads based on the VIN the BAR should accept that.
No I got it fixed on my following video when I passed state ref I explain what happened
@@SVTVasquez - Cool will check it out. Thanks for the video. Lots more people getting stuck in this "Data Check" fail situation.
I dont think it matters if the ECU has been tuned or not, as long as you have the stock tune file with all the emissions system working it will pass.
Yes if you go to the video where I passed state ref I go over everything
Join SVT forums bro and ask around , or “Sell” your car to a relative out of state, or “move” to your relatives house and register the car in your name out of state and let that out of state dmv know that you have kids in Cali and sometimes drive to see them . And get the out of state plates on it
Small obstacles to a BIG dogg 💯
Thanks brother got it figured out passed in a couple videos after this one 👍
@@SVTVasquez 💯💯 that’s dope . Glad it worked out . Shoulda kept watching my bad 🤦🏽♂️
@@bobayagga2233 no worries lol thank you for the support I appreciate it 🙏
haha man i got a state ref on my m3 back in december, i got the ticket in the mail a month ago, state ref passed my decible test but my car cannot pass smog and never will so i'm pretty much fucked at this point and have no idea what to do
Happy Veterans Day! I’m hoping this gets resolved soon.
You are the first comment thats greatly appreciated 🙏thank you for your kindness
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That's the beurocracy that was voted into place, also why I no longer live there. So sad. On the other hand, props for keeping it safe and in the garage. No miles running up. You'll get to enjoy it sometime soon.
Yeah after im done with school I might be leaving California if things don't get any better
Lesson is, don't use those stupid handheld tuners that have one program on them for all the years of vehicles like SCT.... shit like that sucks... use HP tuners.
would i fail if i have stock cats still but deleted resonators and mufflers lol
That’s crazy. Come to Florida
CA is a fucking joke! Selling my beloved fully built Viper ACR because of this issue! Can’t wait until I move out of CA and get out of this garbage ass state.
Yeah man that's one of my dream cars and it's a shame this state is so tough on car enthusiasts
@@SVTVasquez CA is tough on everything/everyone except crime/criminals.
Some DMV - STATE workers use $ to denote S so it does not get confused with the number 5. Bad hand writing and eye sight can confuse and 1971 computers.
Love
I have no idea what you just said but thank you for the information im sure someone may find it helpful
Bro you in san jose? Thay cobra is super clean. I stay in san jose as well. Those guys are a joke, Go to the pick n pull and find an ecu off a 2003 Cobra lol. Any luck 3 weeks later ?
So ford still has my car they need to upload an 04 cobra tune still
It looks like just some kind of database error that they returned to you. Googling around it looks like you might need 4R3A-12A650-TC for a 2004 4.6L 4V V8. I am not an expert here so I am unclear on if that's a part number for an ECU or a tune (or both.) I believe everything they listed here is an ECU part number though. I wonder if the issue is the ECU itself and not the tune? Do you know it's the original ECU for your 2004? What part number is on it? If that number helps Ford flash the right thing you could see if that works. Also not sure if there is a CA specific difference.
In any case they are also asking you for a dealer invoice so you could get your Ford dealer to write something up on an invoice that verifies they believe you have the correct ECU and tune for the car. I'd have them screenshot or take a photo of what comes back in their system when they search for your VIN and that it matches what's on the car. Basically go back to BAR with evidence of: hey I believe this is right and Ford is telling me this is right.
I would also advise you google around and look at BAR documents etc and hunt down an email of someone higher up there to contact.
Yeah I put in the 2003 number and it comes up as correct for that car so I'm searching for the 04 and I only found the one you found and I believe that might be for a ford gt I don't think it will work but ill try communicating with ford
@@SVTVasquez shows up as for Mustang everywhere I look. Talk to Ford.
Your car is a MY 2004 right? Do you know the manufacturing date? I wonder if they changed this halfway through the model year 2004 run or something.
@@benbunch4159 you want to send me the page you found on ig so I can look at it. Same name as my UA-cam channel
you gotta take it to the ford dealer and flash the ecu to stock
I did and they uploaded an 03 tune not an 04 tune
Wouldn’t the vin be indicated the year the car was made not the car was sold being 2004?
Thats what im saying tho
It's gonna be for the model year of the car.
Just get everything that the dealer stated on the invoice and take it to bar . Thats that , they will except it
You are right I am broke I asked ford to sell me a new ECU and that ECU has been discontinued so if i got an aftermarket ECU and I would have to upload a tune to it. If ford is uploading the wrong tune to it already a new ECU wouldn't help me at all. I already passed smog and there is a video on what I had to do to fix it.
Man I got ticket for walking in Cali I moved for someone in a cross walk and my foot stepped out of the walk and got a ticket for it after that I moved never been back and I don’t have to deal with smog crap
Okay. Harold and Kumar 😂
So you just ran away like a **** coward, and just gave up the state to the Communist? Good we don’t need cowards, we need patriots.
QUICK QUESTION , do you still have to pay the Reff even ig the car doesnt pass the TEST ? or you pay them unti it passes ? thanks in advance
Honestly I forgot but I want to say you pay only when you pass or it was very cheap like 45 bucks or something I can't remember
i failed because my cats arent Cali compliant will buying a CARB LEGAL magnaflow fix my failing? im not buying OEM cats for $1200 but magnaflow makes Universal CARB LEGAL or universal so will that be passing?
There are two things. Yes Carb legal exhaust will solve your problems make sure you read the details on the exhaust so that it says 50 states or if it mentions california carb legal. The carb legal part are the catalytic converters they will have an OE number on that part. The 2nd part is you'll need to complete your driving cycle after installing the exhaust because more than likely your o2 sensors aren't set since you currently don't have catalytic converters but after 2 to 3 drives it should set. You'll need to drive for 25mph stop and go about 3 times drive up to 35mph stop and go and then 45mph. It's very tedious so take you time.
@@SVTVasquez okay thnx man the info really helps this thing is stressing me out because I have to find a way to save money and re schedule and my court date is in 3 weeks I don’t even know if I’ll have it fix by then
@SENPAII yeah man I was in the same boat good luck and I hope it all works out
@@SVTVasquez yeah one more thing so I heard some don’t Reff there car and wait till court date? That just confuses me more so for me what happens if I don’t get it fix and reffed by the time my court date arrives am I screwed? I think from what I heard some people don’t do anything and fight it off court idk what’s you’re tip for me? Anything will help
@SENPAII look up nate rider or something like that he had a the court situation but I didn't have that in my situation so I know nothing about court dates mine was just a ref inspection and that's it.
Damm they really fucking with you
From where did I get fucked
@@SVTVasquez from the back!!
@@acekingmob what kind of injury did they leave me with
@@acekingmob lol
California has declared war on the car community with these Referees!
Quick question. How far they gotta be to test the exhaust and what degree ?
They didn't test my exhaust for sound they only looked at the cats to make sure they are legit your ref might be different
@@SVTVasquez I just got one today I don't have no cats on mine's well I'm going to look into some carbs legal highflow cats
@@hemi5.7villain how did it go?
I got state reffed for my cold air intake, how do I handle this problem 😂
You either put a OE sticker if the maker provides one and that's it or you put on the stock filter simple fix
I got state reffed too man i heard alot of us cobras are even though we passed recent smogs or "passed" but if the case is an ecu cant be tampered with well thats bullshit...
Did you pass yours already and what city?
@@SVTVasquez barely found out my car was reffed last week and im from turlock so my ref station is modesto i havent called waiting on pulley cover
@@TehxRAIDER Livermore didnt require my pulley cover and they didn't hit me up either I had to find out when I went to smog
@@SVTVasquez im using the pulley cover and hoping it hides the aftermarket pulley lol
@@TehxRAIDER ah I see is your car an 03 or 04
In Whittier CA state reff was strict 👇🏽
Did you end up passing? Mine wasn't too bad my visual inspection was good but the ecu tune was difficult to figure out
i just got ref too ,sucks to say it but might just part my car out lol
why part out your car? you can sell it to someone out of state. these cars are rare and you can make good money as a complete build
@@SVTVasquez true, it does feel bad to part them out since they are getting more rare to get
@@chepechepedizel4619 everytime I go out people ask to buy mine it would suck to see one get parted out
Do you know if a tpms sensor will fail you???
is that a pressure sensor for your tires? i dont believe that is part of the smog check but you can simply call a smog shop to ask. The state ref is going to look at the same things a smog shop would.
What branch were you in.
I was in the navy as a corpsman spent most of my time with the marines
I was in the Marines 85 - 92 as an 08-11 my son is in the Navy now. The way you were dressed with you pant legs in your boots is an Army thing.
@@expatconn7242 the reason I did that was because i don't have my boot bands. Had to improvise lol. My uniform was squared away when I was active duty but thank you for your service and hope your son is well 🙏
@@SVTVasquez magic words boot bands . Ty as well. As for my son going to other side soon where it gets 135 if you know what I mean .
You have a family. Shouldn’t you be driving a Ford Escape anyway?
When in Rome
Wow that is crazy I live in California as well I have a 03 cobra I bought that was state referee I have an appointment this Thursday everything is stock on the car I have my code for my JLT the only thing I’m confused with is the tune, not sure if the car has a 91 tune or Stock tune, would Eisele sell with a 91 tune? Please let me know what you think thanks
The guy I got the car off of gave me a tuner when I plug it in I see custom tune and then I see 91 tune,Not sure if I will pass but everything else is stock I have a appointment this Thursday at the state referee here in California
Missing the content 😢
Missing the stang now im just a normal clown
Don’t say that!
@@jorgevalencia7401 you believe like donkey?
Cali is saf. If u own your car and have the note u should be able to modify it. Having an afr guage is beneficial these politicians are destroying America 🤬🤬
Yes during the process of going through the state ref I was told once the car is payed off it gets a bit better so as of now I still have the car stock and I enjoy it as it is
I bought a state reffed car can I still drive it? It has a muffler delete what are the consequences
If its state reffed you can drive it considering that your tags and registration are still valid. To get it registered you'll need to pass smog eventually and when that happens you will fail if you have a straight pipe. So expired tags can get your car impounded. But im not a legal advisor like I mention in my video I'm not a smog expert I just share my personal experiences
@@SVTVasquez ill have to go back to stock and take it to reffere I have tags till June so I'll have to get it done then in order to get updated tags ? Also under my name I have title
@@SRTsmokes so yeah do what you have to do now because after it expires you'll need permits to drive the car anywhere. Since you have time take it to the shops you need to take it to if it needs work and get it ready for state ref
@@SVTVasquez yeah I wish I can leave it how can I tell if it'd straight piped
@@SRTsmokes the ref is going to look under the car with a mirror the muffler that has catalytic converters will have a serial number he needs that number
Bro get the computer flashed
Yeah I got it flashed at ford they did it wrong 2 times
@@SVTVasquez
If you need it smog let me know
@@jwhampton86 I have the plug dmv had a hold on my tags it couldn't be bypassed because of the ref but it's stock now and passed smog. Thanks Anyway
@@SVTVasquez
Ok cool I have thr plug even with the reff
@@jwhampton86 oh you not playing games I might need you in the future if I put in a new supercharger thanks good looking out
He got put in a really bad spot and I am so sorry for that. That’s not cool man.
Why can’t they flash it with the old tune the OEM one that the mustang is supposed to have brah dealerships are garbage
@@Bayareaglobz Its all good there was a follow up video I went back to the dealership and got it right the second time around my car is completely carb legal now.
What a cluster.
Gotta telsa swap it now bro.
This hobby just isn’t worth it anymore.
I felt that way at times too it really depends on the individual everyone has different time and resources.
If you need help message me
I do