Cakewalk vs Reaper
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In this video I go head to head with Cakewalk and Reaper. Give some Pros and Cons of both DAWs and hopefully help you decide what DAW is for you is it Cakewalk or Reaper or Both?
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As the oldest DAW, Cakewalk has countless features and is perfect. I've been using Cakewalk for over 30 years and will use it as my main DAW until I die.
However, I use a variety of DAWs to teach my students.
These days, when I use Reaper, I feel like I'm using Cakewalk. Reaper looks a lot like a cakewalk.
The advantage of Reaper is that it is very lightweight and works on all versions of Windows, from Windows XP to Windows 11.
I think Reaper is as good a DAW as Cakewalk.
(Sorry, English is not my language and my English skills are not good.)
Your English skills are excellent.
Cakewalk is what I use. Started 2 years ago and I know it very well in the meantime. What surprises me every now and when is the richness of functionality of Cakewalk: when other DAWs advertise their new features and I notice, oh, that's something Cakewalk already has for years!
I also have Reaper installed and use it occasionally, but the menus are really daunting. I'm convinced that it is more flexible and you can tweak it to your needs, but this seems to require much effort. And the learning curve is steeper. On the other hand, I like the flexible routing possibilities.
Sounds like you have the same story as me... Started Cakewalk like 2 almost 3 years ago and realized that it has had features for years while others are just catching up... But that dam Reaper is so light weight and fast and just works I don't worry about it crashing on me and I really like the work flow I created.. I completely agree with the learning curve still trying to get it all rapped in my head but it's taking some time to get the flow I like but the more I use it the more I like it... But I will still be using both.. lol.. thanks for the comment..😀🙏🏾
Unfortunately free Cakewalk is being discontinued, I’m learning Reaper to replace it
@@phadrus do tell?
@@mrtechie6810 what would you like to know?
@@phadrus They are cancelling free Cakewalk, even for existing users?
Welp.. after 3 weeks of using REAPER, I can finally say that I've moved to Reaper cause it can handle multiple VSTs without freezing tracks or choking on processing power needed to use VSTs. (Reaper can freeze tracks too)
There's only 1 thing I really HATE about Reaper right now... Is it doesn't have a Archive button to fully disable a track like CakeWalk has. I hope to push for that update.
The main thing I love about reaper is it's ability to handle VSTs very well and gives you a detailed performance chart that is updated live for every track. It tells you how much each VST plug-in delay is being used by the plugins. The performance live chart is awesome!
Routing in Reaper has a small learning curve, but once you do... You can route to just about anywhere.
It's half the price of what CakeWalk used too cost for it's Producer version ($225). And if you haven't made more than $20,000 making music, you can buy it for $60.
I'm writing this at version 6.73 on 12/26/2022.
Hi XEL Ohh! Thanks for the video. I only want to point one little mistake ( Its around 9:40 in your video)- in Cakewalk you CAN easily edit audio transients markers as you want. You add a new marker anywhere you want by pressing Alt and clicking anywhere on the clip. You can move them around, delete or reset. Greetz!
That's what's up... Will try that out.. that's why I make these videos people always make me discover new things... Thanks for the comment 😀🙏🏾
Reaper is like trying to fly a damn SPACESHIP -I just COULD_NOT get on with that program, man...
It's like any other DAW you have to get use to it... And once you do you will see the power that it has .. what DAW do you use now?
Great video. I used Cakewalk for many years, but switched over to Reaper mostly. I just could not get past the crashes and pops and clicks. You are correct about using reaper as a beginner. It will over whelm you.
Thanks .... Thank you for watching...😀🙏🏾
I began with OpCode and then Sound Designer (sequencers) in the 1980's. Used Sound Tools and then Pro Tools for about 10 years, and then found that other DAW's were sometimes helpful. However, not until we started using Reaper did we realize how limiting most other DAW's are. Not that many small studios, home studios can fully exploit Reaper, but at least you are seldom being held back by Reaper-- which is definitely NOT the case with ProTools and many other DAW's.
In our studio we use Reaper (generally first choice), Pyramix (DSD), Logic (familiar fallback for some clients and project ingestion for home studio file support), ProTools (only when necessary) and Ableton Live when client needs it. We also use DaVinci Resolve's Fairlight engine for various AV and immersive work. Many have gotten converted to Reaper during their project with us. There is SOOOO much more to Reaper. First, tracks support up to 64 sources, channels, subtracks, which is VERY useful for stems level work, and allows you to do things with ATMOS that neither Cakewalk, ProTools or most other DAWS can do. ProTools limits in the bed to 12 channels, and zero space for any objects in the channel or to the mixer. You are forced to break things up into lanes, groups, stems or whatever least sucks. Also, the scripting and programming customization in Reaper is phenomenal, resulting in so many great free plugins, themes, automations, workflow enhancements, and so much more.
Man that's awesome... I'm really not that technical when it comes to DAWs I use them at the basic level... I have really grown to like Reaper.... I like to tinker so it works great for me...
I have used both only a little. As with all DAWS, both are challenging unless you really commit to learning them. Lastly, I'm thinking of buying a Mac Probook so have to consider: "Cakewalk by BandLab is currently only available for Windows operating system12. There is no Mac version of Cakewalk"
to Automatically match tempo in Cakewalk, you click ''groove looping''. it's what "I" use. so, hope it helps.
I'm looking to use both. Cakewalk for my music work and Reaper for Video/Postproduction work.
Nice... I will be using both as well...😀🙏🏾
I wish this was a little bit more in-depth as it didn't leave me with a clear picture of why I should use one over the other. Both have pro's and con's like anything else. Take the good with the bad and all that...
I used Ableton and Reason for 10+ years. I was also out of the loop for 10 years until recently I started using Cakewalk because I didn't want to spend 400-600 Euros or download shady unstable cracked apps. Also, the free/demo versions of these expensive DAW's are more limiting than something like Cakewalk... I just wanted to chuck down the newly found inspiration I had. I ended up writing my idea's down, because it took me a lot longer to get comfortable enough with Cakewalk than I thought it would and I didn't want to lose these idea's.
It's been a couple of weeks now and the workflow just doesn't seem to click with me. Everything takes time to get used to, but....
Audio editing, midi editing, doing multiple takes, audio/midi clip arranging, navigation, even just using the playmarker and looping in the arranger, its just not up to par for me. The key-binds leave a lot to desire too. You might as well not use them or perhaps spend weeks customizing them because there are so many and they do not make a lot of sense right out of the box. Ableton was miles ahead even 10 years ago with all of these things and especially certain built in features like warping and sampling. Cakewalk can do almost all of it, but its not as logical and obvious or the quality leaves to desire. I've had to search for free VST's that do basic stuff, just because Cakewalk makes it a hassle (like warping) or in some cases doesn't offer it at all (like samplers).
To me, the pro-channel is more annoying than useful and the plug-ins aren't the greatest. Luckily you're not forced to use this. I wonder how many people actually end up using it. They could also use some visual overhauling and feature improvement. It all feels outdated and cumbersome and I'm comparing this to my experience with Ableton from 10 years ago! Cakewalk does remind me of Reason a little bit where they have to do things just slightly different than everybody else, except Reason made more sense and was easier to navigate.
The whole experience feels limiting to experimentation and inspiration. I've heard people say it before I even tried it, but you have to keep in mind that these things are subject to preferences, etc. Experiencing it myself I can conclude the UX is poor at best.
And yet, it isn't completely fair to compare as my experience with other DAW's at this point is mostly muscle memory which automatically renders using Cakewalk unintuitive to me.
But.., its free... As with anything free or low cost you just have to put more time into it, right? And I've been telling myself this, using it as an excuse for all of the design flaws I come across constantly in Cakewalk, but I'm getting to a point of frustration where I'm just going to bite the bullet and get something else. I never paid for a DAW before as I never had the money, but at this point I probably should. Not necessarily because I feel like I owe it to these companies, but because I can afford it now.
BTW seeing the progress that was made in 10 years is mind-blowing. There's VST's I really could only have dreamed of back then that are now free and so easy to use. Wavetable and FM synths like Vital, SurgeXT and Odin2. Mastering tools like Youlean 2 and all the quality EQ, compressors out there. Its truly exciting.
Great video. A pretty honest comparison. I agree on every point.
Thanks for watching... I tried to be honest and as open as I could be seeing that I use both of them all the time now .. thanks for the comment..😀🙏🏾
Hi @X.E.L. Ohh! 😁 I agree on every point you've made. At the end of the day, you have to choose what works for you. In my case, this is Reaper because I like setting things up the way I want. Even on the computer, I chose to run Linux so what I'm saying is, you have to choose whatever you like. Both DAWS are great and I appreciate the hard work that was put into them. I generally choose to run libre software (open source) but it's like you said, Reaper doesn't require an account and all the other things that have become a norm nowadays. Nice video! Thank you!
Thank you for watching... Reaper is an amazing DAW and Cakewalk is good as well it is a choice that people have to make I will continue to use both... But I'm like you I am leaning towards Reaper a little more these days .. lol... Thanks for the comment
Great video. I use them both. Reaper for innovations and ideals and Cakewalk for mixing, although both can do it all. Hey, if you don't mind me asking. Are you ever going to do a video on Reader's off-the-wall plugins? Some of the reverbs are mind-blowing with the Tukan and sequencing apps making creating fun.
In Cakewalk, you can add aux busses to the main track area, and between aux busses, patch points, and regular buses, you can pretty much route anything anywhere you like. Very flexible and easy.
I made a lot of money with Sonar (Cakewalk) until Sonar was discontinued. I made the full switch over to Pro Tools and stayed. I might grab Reaper and learn it over the winter just to give it a try.
That's what's up .. Reaper is a great DAW for sure... You should definitely try it out... Thanks for the comment...🙏🏾😀
As always, the best DAW is the one you will actually use to complete a piece of music.😜🎶🎶🎹🎶🎶 Play On
Muitos anos usando o Cakewalk, muitos mesmo, uns 20, ainda era sonar, mas comecei a testar outras Daw, o reaper é muito superior em processamento, muito leve, nao sei como eles conseguiram isso, pode ser a aparencia bem reduzida em detalhes, mas ´depois que acostuma, é incrivel!!! Cakewalk é muito pesado, uso um 10900k, m.2 aorus e nao da conta dos softs da acustica audio, o reaper da conta tranquilo!!!
I stay on the Cake but Reaper looks good the touch and feeling is personal Nice XEL 👍
😀🙏🏾 yea both great DAWs... That's why I use both...lol
I have Cakewalk for the plugins & instruments which I use in Reaper. Beyond that, Cakewalk just has no workflow. I prefer the fact that in Reaper you have one kind of track for audio or MIDI, whereas you have tracks for separate uses in Cakewalk. And I need TWO tracks for one instrument 🙄 Plus I hate having to constantly refer to the mixer to complete something. Gave Cakewalk an honest try in creating a song start-to-finish. After an hour I gave up, bounced everything to Reaper and got it all done in 5 minutes like bam-bam-bam-bam. What I couldn't finish in an hour on Cakewalk.
To each his own .. I have no issues producing in either one of these DAWs... It seems like you have a solid work flow in Reaper... Not many people that I know actually use midi and audio on the same channel.. you can do the same things in the track view that you can in the mixer in Cakewalk so not sure what you mean by going to the mixer to complete something..🤔 Cakewalk does have a dedicated inspector where Reaper does not so if you don't want to go to the mixer you can just go to the inspector. It's like any other DAW you try you have to get use to it... Thanks for the comment..😀🙏🏾
@@XELOhh1 All I know is I was constantly switching to the mixer view. I also don't see how to group tracks under a parent folder in CW. And there's one function Reaper has that no one else seems to: "Allow projects to override device sample rate." That allows me to actually test an exported file under multiple speaker systems without leaving my desk. Well, those and Monitoring by Airwindows and TB_Isone by Toneboosters [Legacy edition free] - All help out greatly when I don't have the best listening environment.
You do not need two tracks for a midi instrument in cakewalk. You can if you want. But you don't need to. Also, cakewalk has folders for grouping. They may not be a flexible as groups in Reaper. I don't know. I have Reaper, but I find the interface confusing.
@Kevin wayne ... the lie detector determined... that's a lie .
I'm used to reaper but after a decade of off an on usage im still learning key things lol. The learning curve is endless. Makes me want to potentially try another daw.
Using a sample managing browser/vst like Loopcloud or ADSR sample will give a much better experience than both built in browsers. Cakewalk has some sample feature you might have over looked. Built in rex2 and acid support, loop editor, groove clips, etc. I tend to maximize my studio by leaning on one DAW heavily while taking advantage of the strengths of multiple DAWs. So using both of these can be a real plus. Especially if you're on a budget but want some real power in the studio.
I feel ya... But Cakewalk sample features are lacking behind in every way... What good is it to have rex files with no sampler to cut it up...🤔 Cakewalk use to have a sampler but currently does not... I agree with trying different DAWs thanks for the comment..😀🙏🏾
Thank you so much for this informative video XEL Ohh!
the first DAW i bought was Cakewalk Sonar many years ago , but i had stability issues, i then moved onto Reason v5 and used that for many years until version 12 where it didn't work on my system, so reverted to v11, but over the last year i have been using Reaper which im still learning, and i must agree with you about being overwhelmed with options, i think if they want newcomers to use Reaper they should develope a lite version with just essential options. btw i like the reaper theme you use.P.S.what is the name of the reaper theme you are using.
The theme is called Peace it's on the reaper stash... Yea all facts..lol 😂
I jumped on the bandwagon at cakewalk 4 , I tried most of the other daws but can't get as good as mix as i do with cakewalk, im sure it's just familuarity with cakewalk.
Thanks for sharing your wisdom!
I'm here for the comments 🤓
In all seriousness, great video!
Thanks... I really like your videos as well..😀🙏🏾
@@XELOhh1 I've never used cakewalk before. It's been great seeing all the comparison videos lately, especially one like this that give objective comparisons with minimal to no bias.
It's a great time to be alive and it's awesome to have so many viable DAW choices to suit virtually anybody's needs
for simplicity I'd choose cakewalk and also the midi input flow is much nicer than reaper
Yes I agree... Cakewalk is easier to navigate due to the overwhelming options that you have in Reaper but that's one of the reasons that people use Reaper in the first place... Lol . I'm starting to like reapers midi editor as well now that I'm use to it..
@@XELOhh1 after a while it grows on you no lie lol
Renoise>Cakewalk>Reaper
Man what a comparison
Cakewalk
I've used Cakewalk for decades and respect it But I do a lot of live playing into Reaper and It's my Main DAW now. Audio stretching in Reaper can't be beat Cakewalk great for Midi and Mastering final mixes.
yea both are great DAWs I still use both.. lol..
@@XELOhh1 You have a great Channel with awesome info.
I'm a laser artist, not a muso, nor production engineer. So, I started with a laser specific DAW called LaserShow Xpress, which was limited to 2 laser projectors for ~$280. I found it to be very limiting, compared to old school live laser controllers.
So, I developed my own lMIDI controllable laser synth and switched to Cakewalk, because of the recommendations of Creative Sauce. What a hassle to download as a freestanding DAW, w/o subs to a muso community.
Then, I learned about OSC, TouchOSC, and Reaper's customization features.
Now, I'm designing my own multi-projector, custom laser DAW, with Reaper. It has the potential that I need and it completely blows away Cakewalk and LSX. 😎
That's what's up... Never thought about that feature in any DAW...🤯
@@XELOhh1 He, He. Neither has any other laserist. 😎
Great video, thanks. I've been trying both and overall I prefer Reaper. But - that Cakewalk Pro Channel is so good. Does anyone know a way to replicate the Pro Channel in Reaper (for free!)?
you didn't mention the editing in reaper which is fantastic. and far above all other Daw
I go way way back with Cakewalk.
Anyone remember Project 5? I still have that one active because I love the Dimension LE and I still find it's arpeggiator fascinating to this day.
Also...love the fact that Reaper will load a few of the Bandlab instruments.
Granted they are kinda "meh" quality wise but they are great composition tools
No reason not to grab both.
I agree that's why I use both DAWs now...😀🙏🏾
Hello. I need help with cakewalk. I've decided to use it to play live with vst, so I have a project of several instrument channels, each with its assigned MIDI channel such that when I want to play a certain instrument, I simply change the midi channel on my controller. All easy, but I would like to make it so that with a single button press on my midi controller, the instrument settings window that I am playing at that moment appears. Is there any way of doing this? Sorry for my English, I speak Spanish and I have translated the comment with Google. Thank you
Dear Kenny, is it possible as long as I'm changing the volume fader or adjusting the eq or compressor plugin with a left click on the mouse, I want to press the space bar for play and stop at the same time
You got me with this one..🤔
Reaper no free his trial
Started Repear after installation and wow it's SLOW scanning of VSTs. I hope that's a one time event, otherwise I'll be waiting 30 minutes to an hour for startup time in Repeat...
yeah the first scan is slow, after that it only scans for added vsts not the ones already scanned
Good video.
Thank you...😀🙏🏾
nice
I still swear to Cakewalk. Because it's efficient, lightweight and free. Dunno why you wouldn't mention those attributes as I think they're way more important than customization options or the pro channel. At least if you're serious about making music. The pro channel is good, but there are better options.
Also, I've never understood why being PC only is a con when PC makes up almost 80% of the desktop OS marketshare worldwide. Some people are funny that way.
That said, there are cons with Cakewalk which you didn't mention and people should know about. Like Cakewalk's Freeze Track option being completely broken. The amount of times it's fucked up track automation made me stop using the feature almost completely. Or the fact you cannot easily insert and/or shape (to my knowledge anyway) curves and other templates into automation lanes like you can in other DAWS (which is tremendously time saving). Stuff like that.
I mentioned some things that are good comparisons I think 🤔. The video would be hrs comparing everything and it's hard enough to keep people's attention for a couple of min... Lol... To your points... Being free is not really something to compare because there are people that use Reaper right now that are not paying for it so some can consider that being free because you have unlimited access to the DAW without paying for it. Its no were near as light weight as Reaper you can run it off a flash drive talking about light weight... The issues that you claim don't really happen to me I use the automation and I can draw the automation and it also has an option for shapes in the automation so I'm not sure when was the last time you used the automation Lanes but they are pretty good. I have not had any issues with the freeze track in Cakewalk for a while now but I still get crashes in Cakewalk I can make it crash at will with some vst3s I have sent it in and they are still working on it I think. Yes many people do have PCS but when you're talking about music and entertainment a lot of people have Mac's and that's what they use to record on so not having cakewalk on a Mac is a con in many people's eyes. I still use Cakewalk and I use Reaper but the only things keeping me with Cakewalk right now are the pro Channel... And the Arranger without those I would be jumping ship... Thanks for the comment..😀🙏🏾
@@XELOhh1Automation patterns are there yeah, I just find them lacking (personally I use the qcon pro 2 now). Can verify freeze track is broken after having checked forums (to be sure) as it happened to me just the other day (track volume chances and stuff like that). Very annoying.
@@XELOhh1Or when you unfreeze a track and the track content disappears leaving you with an empty track (don't remember if it's midi related, but it might be).
@@chrisfofficial I see I haven't had those type of issues with the freeze since I've been using Cakewalk it might be a known issue that I'm not sure of but I can only speak from my experience. Have you tried using another DAW to see if something else fits better for you. I like Cakewalk but I make a lot of Urban music and for it not to have a sampler kind of throws a lot of things off for me personally and the freezing and crashing don't help either. I have tried a lot of DAWs and keep coming back to these 2. So that says something about these 2 DAWs
You bring up some great points! -I was just wondering about changing the "curves" on the automation points -Tracktion Waveform can do this just by clicking on the corner point. I rather like the look of Cakewalk, but Waveform is super user friendly... It's a tough one... I'm glad you mentioned the glitch with Cakewalk automation, too -Automation is one of the things that I"m most interested in with ANY daw -So if you're saying it's got problems, then I'll stay away, I think... I downloaded Cakewalk the other day and uninstalled it almost immediately, as something started to go wrong with my PC -Got super glitchy and slow after that thing... No idea why... Maybe it was the zillions of samples that Cakewalk comes with -The instrument samples. Whatever!
hey bro when i go to push play on cakewalk it just stays still an wont move while it plays do u no how to fix that /? like the play bar dont move
May have to close out and restart computer
for me REAPER
Can you also post a download link for your Reaper theme? please
The theme is called Peace... You can get it from the reaper Stash site...
@@XELOhh1 thanks
Hey bro this time schedule is too long can you make it short because in india it's will night time.
Sorry about that... You can still view the video when you get a chance and comment what you think ... Or you can join my discord link in the description
What's the new cakewalk?
have they made CW compatible with 4k hidpi yet?
The Cakewalk UI will go vector-based (and thus scalable) with the release of the upcoming paid product that will resurrect the venerable Sonar name (no longer all-caps). Final release date and cost are unkown at this time.
@@1BrundleFly1 yes or no?
@@LossLeadas Yes
@@1BrundleFly1 when what version? beacuse the free jawn from bandlab dont
Vote for cakewalk 😁
No bad choices here...😀🙏🏾 Thanks for the comment
Reaperis the best DAW Cakewalk okay but not good one
The one con in Cakewalk is Cpu is higher than in Reaper !!I have old Laptop in Reaper is ok but in Cakewalk is very slowly!!But Cakewalk is great Daw!!Waveform you must try its very cool Daw too and its free!!
I agree... Reaper has the lowest usage that I have seen on a DAW... I have a hard time going over 18% when I have all my plugins going and multiple vsts... So yea I get what your saying... I tried waveform not a big fan of it tho... The work flow is a little clunky to me couldn't get a good flow going with it... But I might swing back by waveform and see if there is something I am missing... Thanks for the comment...😀🙏🏾
VS Reaper?!?! LOLOLOLOLOL Cakewalk is like driving a Sentra, Reaper is like driving the U.S.S Enterprise.
Let me guess which one you like ..😂