Right? I was worried about wether I should keep watching the review for spoilers since they've clearly hinted that this seasons is actually worth sitting through; but having now binged 3 hours of RML reviews, I still have no idea what's going on in the show they're reviewing anyway
Speaking of Kurtzman, it must really chap his ass that people are generally quite liking Picard season 3 (which is run by Terry Matalas) while seasons 1 and 2 (mostly run by Kurtzman) were on the whole loathed by so many. Makes me think that Kurtzman won't want Matalas to run any more Trek shows without more Kurtzman input due to Kurtzman's ego being bruised.
I came to say exactly what MaMastoast said. If you ever do watch it, just skip the first two seasons. Picard's an android copy now, that's literally the only relevant plot point from them, and even that barely.
I am so invested in this. I have never seen a single star trek episode in my life but I NEED the last 3 episodes of this season to be good, these guys deserve it.
@@allluckyseven ironic that the character from the series that is supposed to be a super genius is actually barely above a flatworm in real-world intelligence.
There's a scene in a tv show where Wil Wheaton gets run over by a semi truck. It would be terrible if that scene found its way into one of these Redletter Media videos, just awful.
@@leedwyer161I just watched the AIDS season of American Horror Story and even though they never actually said the word, AAAAAAAAAIIIIIDS rang out in my head every time they alluded to it
I love Mike mentioning Harvard having an underground lab where they do secret experiments, knowing that Kurtzman was involved with Fringe, a show in which a mad scientist does weird experiments in a Harvard basement.
Weird questionable science experiments have indeed happened at Harvard, for example the psychological experiments Ted Kaczynski (Unabomber) was subjected to while there. There's been claims it was connected to the CIA mind control experiments.
Sneed's brother was also played by Kirk Acevedo (Charlie Francis from Fringe) which suggests Kurtzman's hands might not be that far away from Picard after all.
Man fringe had a fantastic concept and start but they had to make it serialized and in J.J. Abrams fashion they had no idea where the the plot was going and made it a huge pretentious mess.
I can't wait for the Picard series finale where 100000 cloned deepfake janeways unleash fury on every changeling in the galaxy (she uses transporter technology to turn them into coffee, and drinks them as they scream in fear) Picard will also assist with his borg cube gloves, and will throw a sun at the great link
Don't give them ideas. Remember, Alex Kurtzman still has a lot of pull there, for whatever reason, and he sure would love to include your "very serious" suggestion here...
I thought the guys were tired of constant high stakes in their Star Trek, and here Mike is putting Rich's life on the line. Rich is a national treasure and must be protected at all costs.
Dorn really needs tons of props. He's wanted to step back into Worf for ages, and man, he really came back on his A+ game knocking it out of the park. I love old, zen master Worf.
Stand out performance. Just wish they would stop using worf as comic relief. This started with TNG movies but they really ramped it up here…they seem to have written him almost like data or a Vulcan, which was never worfs character. He’s too emotional, that’s his problem. But his unwavering loyalty and sense of honour kept his Klingon rage simmering under the surface. Definitely feeling some aggressive tendencies!
Worf is insanely good, same as Riker, Riker is literally the same, got balls, insanely cool. Both were my icons in Golden Age of Trek shows, and both are really great is Season 3, so props to that, alot.
At around 44 minutes into your first ever Picard re:View you joked that the dumbest thing would be them stealing Picard's DNA so he would fight a hybrid species clone Locutus. The fact that this could still happen is what is currently keeping me on edge in season 3
@@DIEGOSHAY because during the latest episode Vadic made a comment to 7 of 9 being there as poetic while monologuing on Jack's mystery. It has to do with the Borg imo
Man, I'm only a few minutes into the video, but I have to say that Mike and Rich cracking each other up about how bad previous seasons have been is just about the best thing ever!
Sometimes life is tough but then I see that guy who played Wesley Crusher and am reminded that there is a real person who has to be that guy every day.
On the topic of corrupting star fleet, I was already thinking about how that's just the world of starship troopers, and then Mike said out loud something like, "you have 2 choices, be a brainwashed thug, or an evil scientist." That is honestly heartbreaking. Like I'm not a real trekie but that was always the basis, it's like we solved basically all the little stuff, so now we're exploring the universe. New Trek says, "there is nothing beyond this, this is truly the end of history, the guns get bigger, the buttholes get spacier, but in the end there is no world where some vulnerable people aren't being experimented on to make new weapons"
Lack of wonder is the biggest problem of nu-trek writers. Like you said, the whole point of making Earth a utopia and Starfleet almost perfect was so we don't get bogged down by petty politics or base vices and can turn our attention outwards, and reach further, explore with no restrains.
This isn't a nuTrek thing, they're picking up lot points from 90s Trek - particularly DS9. Personally I think S31 was always a horrible idea and I wish that the changelings in Picard had wiped them out.
I've always been someone who was critical of the abundant hope of Star Trek, being entirely too cynical to believe even its premise to be functional, let alone realistic. But y'know what? I sortof miss the idea that at least *some* of the people out there making entertainment had some sort of belief in a future where everything can be better. I don't want my own negativity reflected and amplified back all the time, so much as an interesting counterpoint with a half-decent justification.
Star Wars made the New Republic incompetent bumbling buffoons. Star Trek made Starfleet immoral hooligans. In a time when we need positive stories, those two franchises chose the wrong direction.
@@philburkhill929 When S31 was introduced it was almost certainly a fabrication to test Bashir's loyalty to Starfleet's ideals. But once the unimaginative hacks were given the idea - and it had to be *given* to them - they can't put it down.
The reason to study Kirk's body is that he was in the Nexus for an apparent century and didn't age a day. The Nexus ribbon is presumably still out there drifting through the galaxy; the Federation would have a practical interest in learning all they can about it.
@ True, but I doubt someone who speaks honestly would have been given the show.
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@@clintonwilcox4690 My problem is not the dishonesty, that's unfortunately expected in these shows (Doctor Who Confidential anyone?). But the fake enthusiasm is so bad, it makes me cringe harder than a threatened Ferengi :D
I dunno if it's actually fake.. will Wheaton seems like a nice guy but he is often Excited to inappropriate levels.. he is kinda cringy
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@@MaMastoast Maybe I am bad at reading people, but Wheaton seemed more intelligent than someone who geniunely enjoyed whatever the first two seasons of Picard was. But hey, maybe it's different knowing how the sausage is made, idk.
@@stevenlannister184 he has to be an amazing politician right? I can't explain it any other way. Geez imagine if he went or does go into actual politics 😳
@@georgeh4171 But that would contradict the fact that "the tribe" are good at business: who would give control to a multi million franchise to someone like Kurtzman, who's clearly an inept person who don't have any talent or creativity for anything art-related? In any case, just give him some money so he can fund a shitty studio like Asylum or the guy that does all those recent Bruce Willis movies.
I really liked the scene where Seven is trying to ask Tuvok for help and they're trying to see if he's a changeling or not and right when you start to buy it they play a small snipit of Voyager's theme to really sell you on "IT IS HIM, ALL IS GOOD" and "syyyyke"
@@zizoumonk10 Oh man... what an ungracious ending for the character.... I honestly think if the next 3 episodes can stick the landing and tie everything together well enough, Ill be happy.
@@zizoumonk10 they went out of their way to explain that he's definitely being kept alive and will continue to be. don't worry Little Donny, Tuvok's coming home.
@@kaukui Yes, and the episode with Shipwreck reminded me of that episode of Star Trek where Riker awoke to find himself much older, in command of the Enterprise, and with a son who played the trombone.
@@jcore0981 Andor really was something magnificent. Picard s3 isn’t quite as well-written, but it’s still nuts how enjoyable this season has been after the first two.
Going back to season 1, honestly their first and biggest mistake was killing off the first android. They spent a lot of time getting me invested in her, and I was invested in her, and when they killed her it was momentarily shocking but also incredibly deflating. They basically erased 90% of the effort they'd already put in because I no longer had a connection to the story. Immediately replacing her with her twin sister did not result in transference of emotional investment, but instead an incredulity at any potential plot points from thereon.
Exactly I agree 100%. I was completely enjoying the episode until that. They successfully created an interesting fleshed out character, the twin sister felt hollow and boring and was never a compelling as the first. The first season never recovers.
Given it led to a series of ridiculous events going right up to technophobic Romulan battle nuns, then ripping off Mass Effect 1:1 then going right past the insanity event horizon by making the big twist be that organics have conflict with synthetics because synthetics don’t AGE (the irony of an aged Brent Spiner playing Data is not lost on me) it’s kinda better we didn’t have any characters to invest in.
"We killed his character for dramatic effect, but replaced them with their twin that's identical in every way" is something terrible soap operas and B movies do when they can't afford to hire a separate actor. Award-winning million-dollar prestige television series Star Trek Picard took a plot device from frigging Deathstalker 3
@@mangalores-x_xjudging from your other comments your feelings are hurt that they like something you were never keen like in the first place, I like reading comments like this because it’s very clear you all wanted them to hate it lol
Captain Shaw is my favourite new-Trek (at least post-VOY) character, and watching him try to manage his ship and crew, while being pulled kicking and screaming into the middle of increasingly huge amounts of bullshit is the reason I'm watching. He feels like a new take on Captain Jellico, where he's both an antagonist to the Enterprise crew, but also clearly competent and having great reasons for what he does, and (hopefully) eventually shows how vital he is. Todd Stashwick is also a ton of fun to watch, and is a damn good looking man.
I want to see a Titan series with this bridge crew. I so want to see Shaw doing First Contact, that would be amazing and awkward. I have never identified with a Star Trek character as much as the grump with a heart of gold. At least since McCoy.
while I like Shaw as not being phased by the old crew trying to abuse their prominence to do crime the cop outs up to this point to have them succeed regardless have made the USS Titan as cesspit of incompetence and insubordination from ensign up to admiral
10/10 captain shaw is definitely my favorite new character that I didn't know I needed in star trek. I would love if they give him his own franchise. He is a perfect blend.
The part where they talk about cloning Kirk and Picard reminds me of a story I heard that there was a star trek fanfic contest and the winner (and thereby slightly canon) wrote a story about how the entire milky way joins the federation and the giant Enterprise X or something travels the universe towing the milky way like a trailer and it's captained by clones of all the great star fleet captains and crew but Data is a shut in because he feels like he is the only real person left. Or something to that effect, make sure Kurtzman never finds that.
I'm guessing the excuse the writers would offer for Kirk's corpse is that it qualifies as that favorite Star Trek phrase, "temporal anomaly", since he supposedly died in 2293, then suddenly appeared and died for real in 2371.
Scotty held the rank of Captain since Star Trek 3 (Captain of Engineering, USS Excelsior). When he was on the Jenolan he had already retired traveling as a passenger and was heading to the Florida of Federation space
@@KasumiKenshirou Spock wasn’t. He took the special role of Ambassador and I don’t think his rank was ever increased to Captain, possibly because he declined the promotion.
Don't forget that moment in "Birthright" where Geordi doesn't finish his food at the Replimat, saying "It tastes like molten polymere" while Worf is happily gobbeling it up. Such a cute, funny moment for Worf.
Being dumb does not prevent one from being successful (and vice versa, being intelligent is no guarantee of success, not in the slightest). There's way too many examples everywhere you look. The vast majority of succesful people were simply incredibly lucky. They wouldn't be able to repeat their success if their one-off incredible stroke of luck was out of the picture.
i just started watching TNG the very first time and im really drawn in and loving it, all thanks to you two discussing why you love the old shows - it finally made me very curious and im glad to be able to to understand a bit more in due time and not just laugh at the new picard show
You really could just start at season 3 episode 1 and then go back to check out the first two seasons if you’re hungry for more by the end of season 7 lol. But there are a *few* must see episodes in season 2. Pen Pals and Measure of a Man are fantastic. Peak Performance is hilarious yet still a decent moral wrap up. Shades of Grey is a garbage clip show in disguise since they ran out of budget or something by the end. 😂
wow thats crazy same here. I always hated star trek. been a loyal star wars guy, but the sad state of that franchise has made me seek better. All tho the current state of trek may not be better maybe even worse, i will always enjoy the OLD stuff!
Wil Wheaton grew up to be what is quite possibly the most malignant duchebag of all time. He wasn't bad in Stand By Me. But today, he's just the most insufferable goofball I've ever seen.
My friend from South Africa told a story one time about how his neighbors’ home was burgled. For the subsequent 15 years, my parents and siblings have almost exclusively refer to him as “Burgled”. It is apparently a very powerful word.
Out of interest, where are you from? I'm British, and there's nothing odd about the word at all here - burgle/burglar/burglary are as familiar as rob/robber/robbery. Feels strange hearing it talked about like it's somehow obscure or unusual 😅
@@AlastairjCarruthers From the southwestern USA- it never struck me as odd either- but my family sure did and latched on to it. When they made a moment of it on Picard, I laughed like a maniac. It was as if they were referencing my family’s inside joke. I think in the US people tend to say “burglarize” more commonly.
in germany everyone learns correct british english and burgle is a normal verb to me. This odd thing of "breaking in" must be from abroad (it's the same in german backwards: "ein-brechen" so I bet on german immigrants.
Season one was agony, season two was too much to bear for me. I never finished it. Season three though is darn near everything I wanted this show to be. Obviously it isn't perfect but it really doesn't matter to me. It's a good show. Period
I watched s3 yesterday, after completely skipping 1&2. It was good. Not incredible. But good. Much closer to Star Trek than anything Kurtzman / Abrams have done yet. I was happy to see the crew of the E-D ride again.
I refuse to believe there's a world where Mike hasn't read the series of Wesley Crusher Starfleet Academy YA novels they published in the 90s, yet he makes no mention of them here. Curious...
Is it weird that, when a certain obvious event toward the end of Episode 8 happened, literally one day after I saw this video, my first reaction was "Woah! Rich Evans got what he wanted!"?
As someone that didn't watch even one second of the first two seasons, I can say that enjoying the third season very much. Its feel like natural (with some flaws) continuation of TNG and DS9
I’m happy theyre acknowledging the existence of ds9 now. Before, with the exception of dr song, it felt like they were pretending it never happened? Twas strange.
@@imjustdandy9799 I've always wanted some DS9 acknowledgement/continuation. But I'm just not sure if I still have confidence in this particular continuation.
At 9:39 Scotty was promoted to Captain of Engineering whose "wisdom" was needed on the USS Excelsior at the start of Star Trek III. It's a rank he would maintain for the rest of the TOS-era films as he resumed his post on the Enterprise-A.
Yes, there is a reference to “synthoid” in the TV show called “The Zeta Project”. It features a synthoid character named Zeta who is an infiltration unit designed to seek and destroy specific people. He is able to holographically disguise himself as any individual he has seen and create custom appearances through mixing physical traits.
Scotty was made a captain in Star Trek III. "Captain of Engineering". This is reflected in his rank insignia in V and VI (He still has a commander insignia in IV) He's also only a passenger on the Jenolan
The ‘bad guy with a giant ship’ thing really set in bad after Nemesis. Nero and the Naraada, Khan and the Vengeance (“Evil Excelsior”), even Franklin and the Swarm. All of these keep trying to recapture the feeling of Wrath of Khan...but here's the thing, Khan had a WEAKER ship, the Reliant was a lighter class than the Enterprise. Khan was dangerous because he was smart, not because his ship was better.
I think the scene with the core 7 cast members together in the conference room seemed like a response to fan criticism of Disney Star Wars where they failed to reunite the old cast on screen together.
They already had a clone of that Galaxy Quest character in Strange New Worlds, in the form of Sam Kirk (Jim Kirk's brother who in the original series was only seen as a dead body played by William Shatner with a fake moustache). I haven't seen Galaxy Quest in years, so I didn't remember the character, and didn't watch Strange New Worlds, but I saw a lot of people making the comparison.
@@KasumiKenshirou Sam Rockwell's character is the guy who was a redshirt in the TV show, and spends the entire movie paranoid that he's going to meet the same fate
Them focusing on the one ship from the way they describe it sounds closer to what TNG felt like. they did not have budget for more sceneries, so most of the stuff was on the ship, and required a better story to go with it.
The budget went into the last episodes where we'll have the TNG crew and most of the Voy and DS9 cast fly the Enterprise D, Voyager and Defiant in the final battle. That's what Janeway has been working on, putting the right people in the right places.
Mike and Rich sort of skirt around the subject, but I don't think they particularly like DS9, and certainly not as much as most fans do. I think they're generally lukewarm about it, which wouldn't make very interesting videos. Honestly think they'd be better off doing Voyager, as they seem to have much stronger opinions about that.
It's ironic that the very best Star Trek written takes place in a non-utopian meta-analysis of the franchise that takes place on a stationary object that's not even Federation-made.
@@trentb3148 I honestly had more fun watching them review picard than I could ever have had watching it, I finished season 1 and that was all I could take.
I know y’all are never gonna see this, but I just wanna look out for you guys. I love y’all so much. I’m a 16 year old girl and I’m a huge fan. I’ve grown up on this content and I just wanna make sure you guys are happy. We all love you guys so much and we want you to be happy and I know that this seems random, but I’ve been thinking lately and we just never know what someone’s going through. We’re a community of nerds, some of us loud and proud and others “coming out” to ourselves through your content, but believe me when I say we’re all very grateful for you and truly care about you as gentlemen. So I just hope you guys are happy. Love ya lots. ❤
The big bad is Jonathan Archer. Future Archer was the mysterious shadowy figure in the Temporal Cold War storyline and he's pulling the strings now. I'm calling it.
"It'd be so easy to bring back Data. Just say he took over B-4's body somehow." Hilariously enough, they actually did that in the comic book tie-in to the first nu Trek movie.
I just assumed that was the whole reason that the writers had Data transfer his memories into (the previously unmentioned third Soong android) B4 in the first place. Basically a less subtle version of Spock telling McCoy "Remember" in Star Trek II.
@@KasumiKenshirou They probably would have just done that story but it's over 20 years later and they can't realistically explain the aging. Even in nemesis it was getting hard to pass Data off as an android.
What an edit when Rich is fuming about Starfleet being evil, then Mike says he wants to watch it all the more, then they cut to Doc Bashir talking about 'glib answers'. Bravo Mike, bravo.
A synthoid is a fictional type of artificial lifeform. The term originated on the television cartoon series G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero, and has since been used in other media as well.
I guarantee Rich saw that arc of G.I. Joe but like all of us who did, they have been repressing it because of the trauma it caused. It is still pure nightmare fuel.
@@RaddSpencer Are those the episodes with Shipwreck and the copies of G.I. Joes melting? Those were definitely disturbing as a kid, but I actually remember liking that story arc...
I want to throw this out there; Star Trek Prodigy was surprisingly good and it is never mentioned. It upholds the optimistic spirit of Star Trek exceedingly well and is the only Kurtzman-era trek that is visually appealing with scenes captured with a steady camera and brightly lit sets. I will admit the crazy looking characters and lack of Starfleet in the pilot episode initially gives it a Star Wars vibe, but as the crew of kids adopt Starfleet values it feels very Star Trek. My main complaint is that it simultaneously treats the galaxy as huge as seen in 90s Trek and tiny as seen with Kurtzman Trek as alpha-quadrant species are needlessly found in parts of space they shouldn't be found. The same can be daid with 2 crewman who are alpha quadrant species, but a plausible explanation is given for them being found so far from home. My other complaint is that stories can feel rushed since it's designed for a 22 minute format. So if you find Picard s3 a little bittersweet because you think it will be the last new real Star Trek you'll ever see, give Prodigy a chance.
One day we’ll have an ai that was trained on every RLM Picard review that can just generate an endless stream of reviews for seasons of Picard that don’t exist. What a future it will be.
I get the vibe that Jack Crusher is a changling, notice how they were friendly with him when they first saw him, they wanted him to go with them and get gets those flashes and stuff. In DS9 changlings would send out parts of themselves into the galaxy to learn stuff then return home, like Oto was in DS9.
holy shit... also telepathy or mind control (brain control?) is a kind of changling thing of the mind.... (brain?) What if Picard's DNA makes psychic changlings?! Bum BUM BUUUUUUMM....
I was thinking he either ate a changeling or has one replacing lots of his body symbiotically and is starting to seep into his consciousness like a cross between Robocop and Venom.
Both Picard and Kirk were in the weird ribbon universe,... They are the only two bodies that can be analyzed that have been exposed to literal "eternity" universe magic.
Guinan got out of the ribbon universe, probably hundreds did, not sure how. But maybe they go that way..... Mike and Rich are bending over backwards to not hate this s3, but I have no liking for it. The deep flaw of mundane mystery boxes not a actual scifi puzzle out in open is so awful, I can't not hate it.. to be fair I do think seeing wrinkled faces is not fun and depressing, like seeing your old girlfriend now a fat wrinkled grandma, Hollywood is for the pretty though we try not to say it aloud....
@@mostlyguesses8385 Actually I agree. I had hope after episode one but was inevitably let down with the writing overall. Just because its "better" than Disco, (to say nothing of seasons one and two) doesn't mean its, "good". So many idiotic and wasted moments, Like Hey; guess what,... not all the Changelings are from the link, We know that specifically from DS9, but no, small universe is small and we have no real love of the Alpha Canon, so they get what they get... I was just pointing out that there could have been a real reason for the bodies... BTW: that would be a dark twist indeed if Starfleet experimented on living people, AKA Quinan and the others who had been in the ribbon. And contradictorily/ ultimately, I disagree with the Star Fleet automatically is the "good" idea, We are told over and over again in all the series That Admirals are power hungry and stupid... That demonstrates a baked in corruption at the top, which permeates to the lower ranks in many instances,... Like Spock's ironic silencing of the Punk Rocker on the bus and Quarks musings on Root Beer.
Best ending for Picard. Realizes he never left the Nexus and opts to return to the past to prevent the Hobus Nova, bringing us back to the bright future of Trek. Have all your little characters you created for this show make an appearance but radically kinder, not drug addicts, and keeping their pre established (albeit rushed) relationships from previous series.
@@christophermitchell7001 .. Biggest issue is I don't want to be on dark confusing Starships so would hate being recruit, and I don't want to live in society of lazy consumeristic Federation they show. They flipped the plot, now future and humans suck. It's like showing US Army as Mostly villains and weak and then having a combat movie, nothing can fix that, it ruins the mood. . . I honestly think shooting in dark saves budget, but that's half the problem, dark is depressing, imagine a hospital tv show all dark itd be unwatchable...... We can analyze too much, they made dozen of these bad decisions so show is not fun.... SciFi wise the Fed is supposed to be super wealthy, with hard workers, any big threat gets massive response and won, only in surprise small raids can any enemy get a small victory. In a Fed of 900,000,000,000 citizens with hi tech they would have sensors and 9,000,000,000 security people in 90 million ships thousands orbiting each planet spotting problems early and then overwhelming them. Yet we have 6 heroes who for some reason cant get help from those 9b...... If a molester was running around rich Dubai or Beverly Hills and they coulsnt be bothered to hire more security you'd conclude this society sucks, they deserve to suffer, or at least these people have bad characters....... Ian Banks the Culture books summed up this problem, wealth and tech DOES defeat risks and future will be safe from outside enemies, it'll be like IBM vs hillbillies building computers of wood it's silly to claim a normal enemy I threat.... Maybe they can face genius scientist who finds genius trick, but even then don't Fed have 9b scientists too...... . . . .. . . I'm being boring.... Just, you can't have galactic threats, instead have 1 ship fighting to save 1 cargo ship from pirates, that's realistic, Id play old Trek boardgame and we d do that ..... I won't comment on how Starfleet is solid military bureaucracy running trillion dollar ships armed with meganukes, no rule breakers allowed, to drop this respect for rules and honesty is like having rule breakers in your electric power company that's soon ends in disasters...... I wonder could they not make a boring exploration show, like 2001 movie the first half, lotsa music and visuals and sappy crew being happy?? I admit that seems like Cruise Ship in space with lotsa dating, but ain't that Roddenberry's future vision, not this Kafkaesque Dark Workplace Of Yelling?. Ha. I'm boring.
I think he meant that all the Dominion ships we saw were Jem'Hadar/Vorta ships (even though they're arguably also Founder ships), but we never saw a ship type specific to the Founders themselves.
I like how Mike’s breakdowns of the plot are so all over the place that it becomes spoiler-free
Can’t spoil what’s already rotten.
Right? I was worried about wether I should keep watching the review for spoilers since they've clearly hinted that this seasons is actually worth sitting through; but having now binged 3 hours of RML reviews, I still have no idea what's going on in the show they're reviewing anyway
Especially when you add in all the factual errors. And then Rich Evans tries to correct him and nobody knows what’s real anymore.
fr i watched this and then was inspired to watch season3, and i didnt really connect much of the plot lol
the jokes hid the plot 😂
I really do love these guys.
"MY MOTHER HUNG HERSELF" *Uproarious laughter*
Excellent use of the word "uproarious".
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I like how Rich seamlessly switches between two defense mechanisms while Mike talks about Kurtzman: 1) Gazing into the void 2) Nihilistic chuckle
Can't get over how he's suddenly the best dressed at RLM.
Kurtzman has the opposite of the Midas touch...everything he touches turns to utter shit.
@@playedout148 And all he had to do was start shopping at Kohl's
@@ianlindsay4154 you know my man hit up the nearest Ross outlet
Speaking of Kurtzman, it must really chap his ass that people are generally quite liking Picard season 3 (which is run by Terry Matalas) while seasons 1 and 2 (mostly run by Kurtzman) were on the whole loathed by so many. Makes me think that Kurtzman won't want Matalas to run any more Trek shows without more Kurtzman input due to Kurtzman's ego being bruised.
I have yet to watch an episode of Picard but boy do I ever look forward to Mike and Rich talking about it!
Indirect watching gang!!!
If you ever do end up watching it, just start on season 3
I came to say exactly what MaMastoast said. If you ever do watch it, just skip the first two seasons. Picard's an android copy now, that's literally the only relevant plot point from them, and even that barely.
Same. This star trek clearly isn't for me anymore. But the reviews definitely are' 😂
I saw the pilot and that was enough for me
The cuts to Wil Wheaton attentively listening are hilarious.
He is such an insufferable guy 😂 I'd feel bad for him if he wasn't a total narcissist.
These guys are comedic geniuses. Have been since at least 2009.
They’re showcasing his hack fraud-ness perfectly
I just need to say that your profile pic is amazing
@@Malkovith2 thank you very much
I am so invested in this. I have never seen a single star trek episode in my life but I NEED the last 3 episodes of this season to be good, these guys deserve it.
Rich Evan’s deserves cancer? How dare you lol
you want Rich to get cancer?
Why should they be happy? They are full time frauds!!
Spoiler, they are going to hate it.
@@DR.64A9 yes! now I can rest happy 😌
Intercuts of Wil Wheaton’s zombie-like dweebishness never get old
Him saying "I like it when Star Trek makes me think!" had me in stitches.
OH! You mean "Shut Up Wesley". That's the name I know him by.
@@allluckyseven ironic that the character from the series that is supposed to be a super genius is actually barely above a flatworm in real-world intelligence.
There's a scene in a tv show where Wil Wheaton gets run over by a semi truck. It would be terrible if that scene found its way into one of these Redletter Media videos, just awful.
Yeahhh.... Yeah
I loved the part where Mike talks about star trek
Timestamp please
I agree. He should do that more often.
Really an underrated segment. Hope to see more of that in the future!
Would've been better if Jay had to sit in.
That reminds me of the Star Trek episode where someone made a good comment! ;)
"Did you hear that?" I love how live-action Mike knows that future editing Mike will be putting in a Rim Shot sound effect.
I'm waiting for the rim job sound effect*slurrrrrp
Mike being unable to contain his laughter over giving Rich cancer is the kind of thing only lifelong friendship will bring you
At least its not as bad as AAAAAAIIIIIDDDDSSSS!
@@leedwyer161I just watched the AIDS season of American Horror Story and even though they never actually said the word, AAAAAAAAAIIIIIDS rang out in my head every time they alluded to it
Its impressive because at this point in the last season Mike was dressed like a Touhou character and Rich Evans was bleeding from the eyes.
And from the AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANUS
I know I shouldn't be
But I'm always so surprised and happy to see touhou mentioned
Many of us actually prefer them that way!
I'm so glad I wasn't the only person that saw Mike's outfit and thought it was Wriggle at first.
Big shout out to Dr. Boomboom Soong, the most memorable sci-fi character since Blam Supplebutt.
Don't forget Basil Oregano
Slartibartfast hitch hikers guide to galaxy
Slab Beefchunk
@@diehounderdoggenalt Big McLargeSoong
why would I suffer through watching new trek when I can just suffer vicariously through these two nice young men
exactly ^^
Some people like experiencing things themselves and some like to experience them through others.
@@Bitchslapper316 watching red letter media is never a waste of time but watching Picard just might be :)
@@Bitchslapper316 welcome to our planet, alienman. it is good that you are learning our fundamentally basic concepts of reality
Picard s3 is good so far. The only part of nu trek ive heard consistant praise for.
I love Mike mentioning Harvard having an underground lab where they do secret experiments, knowing that Kurtzman was involved with Fringe, a show in which a mad scientist does weird experiments in a Harvard basement.
Weird questionable science experiments have indeed happened at Harvard, for example the psychological experiments Ted Kaczynski (Unabomber) was subjected to while there. There's been claims it was connected to the CIA mind control experiments.
Sneed's brother was also played by Kirk Acevedo (Charlie Francis from Fringe) which suggests Kurtzman's hands might not be that far away from Picard after all.
@@Makin- SNEEDPOSTERS BEGONE
Man fringe had a fantastic concept and start but they had to make it serialized and in J.J. Abrams fashion they had no idea where the the plot was going and made it a huge pretentious mess.
@@David-ys4xb Literally the first few minutes of "28 Days Later."
Becoming a Traveler is the Star Trek version of "Sent to live on a farm upstate"
If it was the 50's, it'd be no secret they'd have been sent to the Knackers Yard for dispatch and sold to the Glue Factory.
I can't wait for the Picard series finale where 100000 cloned deepfake janeways unleash fury on every changeling in the galaxy (she uses transporter technology to turn them into coffee, and drinks them as they scream in fear)
Picard will also assist with his borg cube gloves, and will throw a sun at the great link
I think that all changelings in the galaxy will assume Picard's form and do a big dance that'll dissipate any evil thoughts and attempts
truly exceptional
oh hi lumpy
Don't give them ideas. Remember, Alex Kurtzman still has a lot of pull there, for whatever reason, and he sure would love to include your "very serious" suggestion here...
Dont forget the Tricolbalt devices :D
The interspersed cuts of the synthoid Wheaton reacting really made my minute.
Your username is fantastic, and Will is absolutely a synth
I thought the guys were tired of constant high stakes in their Star Trek, and here Mike is putting Rich's life on the line. Rich is a national treasure and must be protected at all costs.
Dorn really needs tons of props. He's wanted to step back into Worf for ages, and man, he really came back on his A+ game knocking it out of the park. I love old, zen master Worf.
@@Scripture-Man He's been marinating in blood wine for a few decades, so he's less chewy yet more juicy.
Definitely loved Daddy Worf's white hair to be sure 👀💖
Glad they didn't try to turn him into one of those monsters from Discovery.
Stand out performance. Just wish they would stop using worf as comic relief. This started with TNG movies but they really ramped it up here…they seem to have written him almost like data or a Vulcan, which was never worfs character. He’s too emotional, that’s his problem. But his unwavering loyalty and sense of honour kept his Klingon rage simmering under the surface.
Definitely feeling some aggressive tendencies!
Worf is insanely good, same as Riker, Riker is literally the same, got balls, insanely cool. Both were my icons in Golden Age of Trek shows, and both are really great is Season 3, so props to that, alot.
At around 44 minutes into your first ever Picard re:View you joked that the dumbest thing would be them stealing Picard's DNA so he would fight a hybrid species clone Locutus. The fact that this could still happen is what is currently keeping me on edge in season 3
Armada already did it. Twice too, i think.
Why would you think that could happen?
It's not going to happen. I won't spoil episode 8.
@@tsunamaisurfer606 Totally. James Gunn once took a joke comment by RLM and made it into a compelling plot point for guardians of the galaxy 2
@@DIEGOSHAY because during the latest episode Vadic made a comment to 7 of 9 being there as poetic while monologuing on Jack's mystery. It has to do with the Borg imo
Do you think Terry Matalas is sweating waiting for these to come out and then just breathing a fat sigh of relief when they sort of like it.
Man, I'm only a few minutes into the video, but I have to say that Mike and Rich cracking each other up about how bad previous seasons have been is just about the best thing ever!
Rich is laughing because these episodes have taken away Mike's life-force and given it to himself. Rich is looking good these days!
@@superman5150 Has Rich watched "Cocoon" lately? or is it from a creepy Bauman movie?
Sometimes life is tough but then I see that guy who played Wesley Crusher and am reminded that there is a real person who has to be that guy every day.
Anyone remember ‘The Weasel Saga’ fanfic?
@@Subo23 what is that?
@@scerpalman it was a TNG parody shuffling around the early internet back in the day. Pretty funny, at least I remember it being so…
Who would have imagined Mike and RIch smiling and cautiously hopeful after 7 episodes of Picard? Imagine if this is the show we got from season 1.
Synthoid sounds like a good word to describe Wil Wheaton.
I think "self important twat" fits better.
Natty or not
On the topic of corrupting star fleet, I was already thinking about how that's just the world of starship troopers, and then Mike said out loud something like, "you have 2 choices, be a brainwashed thug, or an evil scientist." That is honestly heartbreaking. Like I'm not a real trekie but that was always the basis, it's like we solved basically all the little stuff, so now we're exploring the universe. New Trek says, "there is nothing beyond this, this is truly the end of history, the guns get bigger, the buttholes get spacier, but in the end there is no world where some vulnerable people aren't being experimented on to make new weapons"
Lack of wonder is the biggest problem of nu-trek writers. Like you said, the whole point of making Earth a utopia and Starfleet almost perfect was so we don't get bogged down by petty politics or base vices and can turn our attention outwards, and reach further, explore with no restrains.
This isn't a nuTrek thing, they're picking up lot points from 90s Trek - particularly DS9.
Personally I think S31 was always a horrible idea and I wish that the changelings in Picard had wiped them out.
I've always been someone who was critical of the abundant hope of Star Trek, being entirely too cynical to believe even its premise to be functional, let alone realistic. But y'know what? I sortof miss the idea that at least *some* of the people out there making entertainment had some sort of belief in a future where everything can be better. I don't want my own negativity reflected and amplified back all the time, so much as an interesting counterpoint with a half-decent justification.
Star Wars made the New Republic incompetent bumbling buffoons. Star Trek made Starfleet immoral hooligans. In a time when we need positive stories, those two franchises chose the wrong direction.
@@philburkhill929 When S31 was introduced it was almost certainly a fabrication to test Bashir's loyalty to Starfleet's ideals. But once the unimaginative hacks were given the idea - and it had to be *given* to them - they can't put it down.
The reason to study Kirk's body is that he was in the Nexus for an apparent century and didn't age a day. The Nexus ribbon is presumably still out there drifting through the galaxy; the Federation would have a practical interest in learning all they can about it.
We all know the ribbon was poofed into and out of existence purely for the movie. Everyone knows it doesn't exist in canon.
Wil Wheaton: "I like it when STAR TREK makes me think."
My God, he really is a soulless automaton.
I had some respect for the guy, but oh boy, these Ready Room spots are the worst shilling I've seen for quite a while.
@ True, but I doubt someone who speaks honestly would have been given the show.
@@clintonwilcox4690 My problem is not the dishonesty, that's unfortunately expected in these shows (Doctor Who Confidential anyone?). But the fake enthusiasm is so bad, it makes me cringe harder than a threatened Ferengi :D
I dunno if it's actually fake.. will Wheaton seems like a nice guy but he is often Excited to inappropriate levels.. he is kinda cringy
@@MaMastoast Maybe I am bad at reading people, but Wheaton seemed more intelligent than someone who geniunely enjoyed whatever the first two seasons of Picard was. But hey, maybe it's different knowing how the sausage is made, idk.
The existential joke behind all this is Kurtzman still being given studio money.
It's amazing how a guy who wrote Transformers and Amazing Spider Man was given control over one of the most famous franchises in the world
@@stevenlannister184 he has to be an amazing politician right? I can't explain it any other way. Geez imagine if he went or does go into actual politics 😳
@@georgeh4171 oh f off with that antisemitic conspiracy crap
@@georgeh4171 But that would contradict the fact that "the tribe" are good at business: who would give control to a multi million franchise to someone like Kurtzman, who's clearly an inept person who don't have any talent or creativity for anything art-related? In any case, just give him some money so he can fund a shitty studio like Asylum or the guy that does all those recent Bruce Willis movies.
@@stevenlannister184 Don't forget about his pro-FBI/pro-cop/pro-government version of X-Files known as Fringe and the terrible reboot of The Mummy
I really liked the scene where Seven is trying to ask Tuvok for help and they're trying to see if he's a changeling or not and right when you start to buy it they play a small snipit of Voyager's theme to really sell you on "IT IS HIM, ALL IS GOOD" and "syyyyke"
Also Tuvok is probably dead. Thanks Picard!
@@zizoumonk10 Oh man... what an ungracious ending for the character.... I honestly think if the next 3 episodes can stick the landing and tie everything together well enough, Ill be happy.
@@zizoumonk10 I highly doubt they’d do him like that.
@@zizoumonk10 I mean they kept Riker alive past his usefulness so I’m just gonna hold out hope that the changelings don’t quite kill every individual
@@zizoumonk10 they went out of their way to explain that he's definitely being kept alive and will continue to be. don't worry Little Donny, Tuvok's coming home.
I'm so happy you fellas brought back Wil Wheaton for this episode of The Nerd Crew
very cool
@@WhatsThePoints1 very cool
Rich is absolutely correct, I had a Stellaris robot race called “The Synthoid Databank”
G.I Joe had Snythoids way back in 1985
@@ValiantWrestling I think G.I. Joe was the first. Imagine getting scooped by G.I. Joe.
Stellaris is awesome
Batman Beyond. The Zeta robot was referred to as a synthoid also
Rare moment of total Rich Evans sight
For the next trek review, they should match the background and lighting so Wheaton looks like he is in the room during the cuts
Maybe they could scrape together $30 and a hot meal so he would actually come to the studio.
The GI Joe cartoon in the 80's had a two-parter called The Synthoid Conspiracy. Great episodes!
this sounds like the type of thing Jay would know
I watched that a couple of days ago, The one with Shipwreck waking from a coma with a family, and Roadblock "loving" carwashes.
I hated the episode as a kid, Shipwreck was my favorite and I didn't like the whole maybe I'm crazy aspect of it.
@@kaukui Yes, and the episode with Shipwreck reminded me of that episode of Star Trek where Riker awoke to find himself much older, in command of the Enterprise, and with a son who played the trombone.
@@JuliusBriggs And that's half in the battle!
It's crazy how hard it is to write a series when you've already spent all your goodwill and trust. In that respect, this is a huge achievement.
My experiences with Andor after watching Kenobi. I was shocked it had....a story it wanted to tell.
@@jcore0981 Andor really was something magnificent. Picard s3 isn’t quite as well-written, but it’s still nuts how enjoyable this season has been after the first two.
@@artloverivy Agreed
Going back to season 1, honestly their first and biggest mistake was killing off the first android. They spent a lot of time getting me invested in her, and I was invested in her, and when they killed her it was momentarily shocking but also incredibly deflating. They basically erased 90% of the effort they'd already put in because I no longer had a connection to the story. Immediately replacing her with her twin sister did not result in transference of emotional investment, but instead an incredulity at any potential plot points from thereon.
Exactly I agree 100%. I was completely enjoying the episode until that. They successfully created an interesting fleshed out character, the twin sister felt hollow and boring and was never a compelling as the first. The first season never recovers.
Given it led to a series of ridiculous events going right up to technophobic Romulan battle nuns, then ripping off Mass Effect 1:1 then going right past the insanity event horizon by making the big twist be that organics have conflict with synthetics because synthetics don’t AGE (the irony of an aged Brent Spiner playing Data is not lost on me) it’s kinda better we didn’t have any characters to invest in.
"We killed his character for dramatic effect, but replaced them with their twin that's identical in every way" is something terrible soap operas and B movies do when they can't afford to hire a separate actor. Award-winning million-dollar prestige television series Star Trek Picard took a plot device from frigging Deathstalker 3
Beerfest was a great movie
Geordi: “Worf, these eggs taste like liquid polymer!”
Worf: “Delicious!”
I think my favorite part of the Picard re:View episodes are the sarcastic cuts to Wil Wheaton.
Yeah.
The Wesley Crushers
It's great to hear Mike talking so enthusiastically about something.
it is worrisome. I fear he had a psychotic break.
@@mangalores-x_xjudging from your other comments your feelings are hurt that they like something you were never keen like in the first place, I like reading comments like this because it’s very clear you all wanted them to hate it lol
At 18:40 , I'm surprised neither Mike or Rich took the opportunity to make a horrible "Star Trek: Deep Fake Nine" joke
Captain Shaw is my favourite new-Trek (at least post-VOY) character, and watching him try to manage his ship and crew, while being pulled kicking and screaming into the middle of increasingly huge amounts of bullshit is the reason I'm watching. He feels like a new take on Captain Jellico, where he's both an antagonist to the Enterprise crew, but also clearly competent and having great reasons for what he does, and (hopefully) eventually shows how vital he is. Todd Stashwick is also a ton of fun to watch, and is a damn good looking man.
I want to see a Titan series with this bridge crew. I so want to see Shaw doing First Contact, that would be amazing and awkward. I have never identified with a Star Trek character as much as the grump with a heart of gold. At least since McCoy.
while I like Shaw as not being phased by the old crew trying to abuse their prominence to do crime the cop outs up to this point to have them succeed regardless have made the USS Titan as cesspit of incompetence and insubordination from ensign up to admiral
10/10 captain shaw is definitely my favorite new character that I didn't know I needed in star trek. I would love if they give him his own franchise. He is a perfect blend.
I loved someone (quite reasonably) saying "no" to the legends.
Jellico was unquestionably competent.
The part where they talk about cloning Kirk and Picard reminds me of a story I heard that there was a star trek fanfic contest and the winner (and thereby slightly canon) wrote a story about how the entire milky way joins the federation and the giant Enterprise X or something travels the universe towing the milky way like a trailer and it's captained by clones of all the great star fleet captains and crew but Data is a shut in because he feels like he is the only real person left. Or something to that effect, make sure Kurtzman never finds that.
HES READING THE COMMENT NOW!
YOUVE UNLEASHED THE STAR TREK LEGACY STORY ARC OUT OF PANDORAS SHIPH0LE!!!!!
I'm guessing the excuse the writers would offer for Kirk's corpse is that it qualifies as that favorite Star Trek phrase, "temporal anomaly", since he supposedly died in 2293, then suddenly appeared and died for real in 2371.
When Rich said "I'll take you anytime punk" and Mike cried butterfly tears was breath taking!
Oh no! Rich's eyes are starting to bleed and Mike looks like he's losing his mind again. This is going to be a great re:view!
You know it's awful when their eyes bleed (or shoot laser). But it's also the best videos.
They are just getting red and puffy. There's still hope.
Honestly they weren't as condemning of the show as I thought they were going to be.
Season 3 is actually decent... After season 1 and 2 that is a huge improvement
Dr. Boom Boom Soong. LMAO !!!! 😂 Good one Mike. Anytime you can make Rich lose it is awesome. 😊
Scotty held the rank of Captain since Star Trek 3 (Captain of Engineering, USS Excelsior). When he was on the Jenolan he had already retired traveling as a passenger and was heading to the Florida of Federation space
Beat me to it. Only a hack fraud sellout like Mike would get that wrong.
Weren't ALL the TOS crew Captains by that point (except for Kirk who had been promoted to Admiral, but demoted to Captain again in Star Trek IV)?
@@KasumiKenshirou Spock wasn’t. He took the special role of Ambassador and I don’t think his rank was ever increased to Captain, possibly because he declined the promotion.
@@NoneofYourBusiness667Spock was a captain since Wrath of Khan!
@@do-oj4ou You may be right. If so my bad. It’s honestly been like 6-7 years since I’ve seen the TOS movies.
Don't forget that moment in "Birthright" where Geordi doesn't finish his food at the Replimat, saying "It tastes like molten polymere" while Worf is happily gobbeling it up. Such a cute, funny moment for Worf.
1:15 That clip of Kurtzweil and Wesley just broke me. How can people, invested in scifi, be this dumb, yet somehow successful
Being dumb does not prevent one from being successful (and vice versa, being intelligent is no guarantee of success, not in the slightest). There's way too many examples everywhere you look. The vast majority of succesful people were simply incredibly lucky. They wouldn't be able to repeat their success if their one-off incredible stroke of luck was out of the picture.
@@Case_ Damn right. I've met so many completely stupid, but successful people.....
It's actually quite frustrating.
i just started watching TNG the very first time and im really drawn in and loving it, all thanks to you two discussing why you love the old shows - it finally made me very curious and im glad to be able to to understand a bit more in due time and not just laugh at the new picard show
All of it or did you skip S1 except the episodes they mentioned?
It holds up! (mostly) Good TNG is as good as tv gets.
You really could just start at season 3 episode 1 and then go back to check out the first two seasons if you’re hungry for more by the end of season 7 lol. But there are a *few* must see episodes in season 2. Pen Pals and Measure of a Man are fantastic. Peak Performance is hilarious yet still a decent moral wrap up. Shades of Grey is a garbage clip show in disguise since they ran out of budget or something by the end. 😂
wow thats crazy same here. I always hated star trek. been a loyal star wars guy, but the sad state of that franchise has made me seek better. All tho the current state of trek may not be better maybe even worse, i will always enjoy the OLD stuff!
Ok, go back to 5:26, Dr. Boomboom Soong, and Rich Evans’ laugh. It’s exactly what I’m here for.
Scottie was promoted to the rank of Captain in "The Search for Spock". He was only a passenger on the Jenolan.
Real Trekker right here
@@SeanMcCaffrey4 Trekkie, you hack!
20:29 I'm here for the Tuvix and Scordi romance subplot.
I love the clips of Shill Weaton interspersed through these re:views lol
Wil Wheaton grew up to be what is quite possibly the most malignant duchebag of all time. He wasn't bad in Stand By Me. But today, he's just the most insufferable goofball I've ever seen.
Watching mike and rich discuss star trek is like watching elderly men going senile in real time
It's like watching my last two brain cells have a nice conversation as they die
@@t.c.bramblett617 underrated comment
And then I find out I can relate... Yup...
I am still not sure if this is an insult or not. Haha :D
'Eating is like chewing and swallowing food'
I’ve never seen anything Star Trek related but the banter between Mike and Rich Evans brings me an unsurpassable amount of joy.
I was about to say that :D i never cared about star trek, but this talk is gold :D
I bet I could think of something to surpass it
It hits harder when you used to love star trek and spiritually identify with these nerds.
Go watch it.
My friend from South Africa told a story one time about how his neighbors’ home was burgled. For the subsequent 15 years, my parents and siblings have almost exclusively refer to him as “Burgled”. It is apparently a very powerful word.
Out of interest, where are you from? I'm British, and there's nothing odd about the word at all here - burgle/burglar/burglary are as familiar as rob/robber/robbery. Feels strange hearing it talked about like it's somehow obscure or unusual 😅
@@AlastairjCarruthers From the southwestern USA- it never struck me as odd either- but my family sure did and latched on to it. When they made a moment of it on Picard, I laughed like a maniac. It was as if they were referencing my family’s inside joke. I think in the US people tend to say “burglarize” more commonly.
@@the_fat_ghost Ah yes! I've heard burglarize and yes I think you're right, that is the equivalent in American English
in germany everyone learns correct british english and burgle is a normal verb to me. This odd thing of "breaking in" must be from abroad (it's the same in german backwards: "ein-brechen" so I bet on german immigrants.
It's at 55:10 following
Anyone else see the recent Picard publicity photo? Data is standing in the exact spot Mike said there was no room to stand at!
They really made three seasons of this, crazy
I laughed and cried and even belched. It was a non stop roller-coaster of emotions and feelings.
THEY BROKE NEW GROUND!!!
@@skeetsmcgrew3282 "I was great"
-Ringo Starr
Never triple yourself. Nothing good can come of it.
can we just take a moment to appreciate Spiner's acting? His inner conflict and transitions from Data to his evil twin are most impressive
He is terrible
@@dikkie2913 Well- don't know if that's a little strong, but let's agree the old phrase applies- it ain't Shakespeare.
he was overacting badly.
Spiner is angry that they brought Data back but I guess Paramount wrote a big enough check
Especially episode 8
Like Picard himself, this season feels like a well-made replica of someone that should've died a long ago.
That line is so good I'm stealing it.
Did died. There is an android now called Picard
He done did dieded
Janeway's last words to Tuvix
Found the guy leaking the Plinket script
Scotty was a retired captain ,a passenger on his way to his retirement home when the ship crashed on the Dyson sphere
Wasn't Scotty promoted to captain in star trek 3?
legend has it Scotty is still trekking with that shuttle they gave him. He is most likely gunna save Kirk's corpse while I think about it.
@@ron131367 Captain of Engineering of the _USS Excelsior._ Holding the rank of Captain as a chief engineer.
@18:39 Mike sure called the Unification short film.
My favorite part is when Mike shows off his note-taking skills by holding a few pieces of wrinkled copy paper.
They were typed so I am just imaging Mike watching Picard with a laptop on his belly furiously laughing and typing away.
@@IVIargerineEclipse his IBM electric typewriter
The will Wheaton edits absolutely kill me everytime
Season one was agony, season two was too much to bear for me. I never finished it. Season three though is darn near everything I wanted this show to be. Obviously it isn't perfect but it really doesn't matter to me. It's a good show. Period
I watched s3 yesterday, after completely skipping 1&2. It was good. Not incredible. But good. Much closer to Star Trek than anything Kurtzman / Abrams have done yet. I was happy to see the crew of the E-D ride again.
I refuse to believe there's a world where Mike hasn't read the series of Wesley Crusher Starfleet Academy YA novels they published in the 90s, yet he makes no mention of them here. Curious...
Repressed memories
That’s because Mike was already an old person in the 90s.
Mike was too busy filming his friend Rich fall down the stairs and dressing in a gorilla costume back then.
he probably didn't want to be influenced by it while writing his own Starfleet Academy fan fic.
Mike can't read, don't shame him
Rich's laugh always brightens my day
Never have I sat in such desperate desire for a Star Trek review than these 2 talking about the final three episodes of Star Trek Picard Season 3
Rich's blank stare after Mike naming loga nandou and subsequent scenes are why I'm here in this timeline with all of you.
Conflict: I simultaneously want the show to be quality so these guys can enjoy it, but *also* want the show to be terrible so they trash it??
Mike and Rich deserve a win after two seasons of SD: Discovery and the first two seasons of ST: Picard.
@@FutureNaught Jay really let himself go didn’t he
The duality of man.
@@FutureNaught Mike’s not in this video
I kind of hope it's bad just so that Rich doesn't have to eat off the Cancer plate
Is it weird that, when a certain obvious event toward the end of Episode 8 happened, literally one day after I saw this video, my first reaction was "Woah! Rich Evans got what he wanted!"?
Also, Rich and Mike should do a Top 5 TOS episodes review like they did with TNG a few years back.
there are just 5 good episodes in 3 seasons so far
@Attila Hung Picard? No, I'm talking a Top 5 of the TOS, the original series.
As someone that didn't watch even one second of the first two seasons, I can say that enjoying the third season very much. Its feel like natural (with some flaws) continuation of TNG and DS9
YES!
With a sprinkle of "modern trek". But it's just enough-enough! And not to much to make it taste bad.
Yeah! Just a little bit of pee in the milkshake! Just a little bit!
I’m happy theyre acknowledging the existence of ds9 now. Before, with the exception of dr song, it felt like they were pretending it never happened? Twas strange.
@@imjustdandy9799 I've always wanted some DS9 acknowledgement/continuation. But I'm just not sure if I still have confidence in this particular continuation.
@@imjustdandy9799 that's because since 2009 people that have been making Trek don't know what DS9 even is.
Not sure if mentioned yet, buy "Synthoid" was first used in a 2 part story arc in the original G.I.Joe cartoon. Basically Synthetic humanoids.
At 9:39 Scotty was promoted to Captain of Engineering whose "wisdom" was needed on the USS Excelsior at the start of Star Trek III. It's a rank he would maintain for the rest of the TOS-era films as he resumed his post on the Enterprise-A.
Yes, there is a reference to “synthoid” in the TV show called “The Zeta Project”. It features a synthoid character named Zeta who is an infiltration unit designed to seek and destroy specific people. He is able to holographically disguise himself as any individual he has seen and create custom appearances through mixing physical traits.
Played by Catherine Zeta Jones.
Synthetic Humanoid, I think is the etymology
Oh yeah Zeta! He was from the Batman Beyond series.
The show is basically The Fugitive with Kurtwood Smith as Sam Gerard.
I need a low budget Darkman vs Synthoid movie. It'll be a glorious, confusing mess.
Scotty was made a captain in Star Trek III. "Captain of Engineering". This is reflected in his rank insignia in V and VI (He still has a commander insignia in IV) He's also only a passenger on the Jenolan
That's what I thought, I recall basically all of the original cast eventually having the rank of captain even if they didn't have command of a ship
If you did not say it I would have
@@superfarful except Lt Fandancer
@@mightybluespider lmao, I'm sure everyone would agree she's captain of fan dancing
The ‘bad guy with a giant ship’ thing really set in bad after Nemesis. Nero and the Naraada, Khan and the Vengeance (“Evil Excelsior”), even Franklin and the Swarm. All of these keep trying to recapture the feeling of Wrath of Khan...but here's the thing, Khan had a WEAKER ship, the Reliant was a lighter class than the Enterprise. Khan was dangerous because he was smart, not because his ship was better.
I haven't smiled and laughed as I did watching this episode in a while. Thanks guys
Never seen a star trek never will but also never missed a Mike and rich talk about star trek
"he's the transporter chief!!!" mike's voice: priceless
I think the scene with the core 7 cast members together in the conference room seemed like a response to fan criticism of Disney Star Wars where they failed to reunite the old cast on screen together.
Mike and rich discussing trek stuff is bliss
Will Wheaton feels like Sam Rockwell’s character from Galaxy Quest
They already had a clone of that Galaxy Quest character in Strange New Worlds, in the form of Sam Kirk (Jim Kirk's brother who in the original series was only seen as a dead body played by William Shatner with a fake moustache).
I haven't seen Galaxy Quest in years, so I didn't remember the character, and didn't watch Strange New Worlds, but I saw a lot of people making the comparison.
@@KasumiKenshirou Sam Rockwell's character is the guy who was a redshirt in the TV show, and spends the entire movie paranoid that he's going to meet the same fate
Yeah, except Sam's character was awesome, funny and watchable. I just want to punch will
Them focusing on the one ship from the way they describe it sounds closer to what TNG felt like. they did not have budget for more sceneries, so most of the stuff was on the ship, and required a better story to go with it.
The budget went into the last episodes where we'll have the TNG crew and most of the Voy and DS9 cast fly the Enterprise D, Voyager and Defiant in the final battle. That's what Janeway has been working on, putting the right people in the right places.
You both have done your best next gen episodes which was great, would love for you to do your fav deepspace nine list like the pale moonlight etc.
I want to see Rich make Mike watch Farpoint - sorry Farscape. You'll cut that out right?
Mike and Rich sort of skirt around the subject, but I don't think they particularly like DS9, and certainly not as much as most fans do. I think they're generally lukewarm about it, which wouldn't make very interesting videos. Honestly think they'd be better off doing Voyager, as they seem to have much stronger opinions about that.
It's ironic that the very best Star Trek written takes place in a non-utopian meta-analysis of the franchise that takes place on a stationary object that's not even Federation-made.
@@trentb3148 yeah for me Next gen was the best but DS9 was better than voyager.
@@trentb3148 I honestly had more fun watching them review picard than I could ever have had watching it, I finished season 1 and that was all I could take.
i've never watched a single second of star trek picard but I get so hyped for these
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The big bad is Jonathan Archer. Future Archer was the mysterious shadowy figure in the Temporal Cold War storyline and he's pulling the strings now. I'm calling it.
What a twist!
I doubt they’ll acknowledge the existence of Enterprise. Star Trek seems to enjoy acting like that show never happened for some reason 😂
"It'd be so easy to bring back Data. Just say he took over B-4's body somehow."
Hilariously enough, they actually did that in the comic book tie-in to the first nu Trek movie.
I just assumed that was the whole reason that the writers had Data transfer his memories into (the previously unmentioned third Soong android) B4 in the first place. Basically a less subtle version of Spock telling McCoy "Remember" in Star Trek II.
@@KasumiKenshirou They probably would have just done that story but it's over 20 years later and they can't realistically explain the aging. Even in nemesis it was getting hard to pass Data off as an android.
@@Bitchslapper316 I don’t know why they just didn’t de-age data
@@djbred18 I'm not sure. Even when done right the de-aging looks fake.
@@Bitchslapper316 Data is a "fake human", so it would be fitting
What an edit when Rich is fuming about Starfleet being evil, then Mike says he wants to watch it all the more, then they cut to Doc Bashir talking about 'glib answers'. Bravo Mike, bravo.
Mike is Garak to Rich’s Bashir for sure
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I guarantee Rich saw that arc of G.I. Joe but like all of us who did, they have been repressing it because of the trauma it caused. It is still pure nightmare fuel.
Or... it's what you turn into when you do serious amounts of synthol...
@@RaddSpencer Are those the episodes with Shipwreck and the copies of G.I. Joes melting? Those were definitely disturbing as a kid, but I actually remember liking that story arc...
Wasn't the parrot carrying around a gem that turned GiJoe imposters into gooey slag? I'm not looking it up to confirm.
@@nycommittee5859 Because it was a GREAT story arc. Traumatizing, but great!
I want to throw this out there; Star Trek Prodigy was surprisingly good and it is never mentioned. It upholds the optimistic spirit of Star Trek exceedingly well and is the only Kurtzman-era trek that is visually appealing with scenes captured with a steady camera and brightly lit sets.
I will admit the crazy looking characters and lack of Starfleet in the pilot episode initially gives it a Star Wars vibe, but as the crew of kids adopt Starfleet values it feels very Star Trek.
My main complaint is that it simultaneously treats the galaxy as huge as seen in 90s Trek and tiny as seen with Kurtzman Trek as alpha-quadrant species are needlessly found in parts of space they shouldn't be found. The same can be daid with 2 crewman who are alpha quadrant species, but a plausible explanation is given for them being found so far from home. My other complaint is that stories can feel rushed since it's designed for a 22 minute format.
So if you find Picard s3 a little bittersweet because you think it will be the last new real Star Trek you'll ever see, give Prodigy a chance.
I was literally JUST watching the last ST review out of magnificent boredom. Rich Evans is a GOD that tends to my every need
The will wheaton cuts are pure gold
One day we’ll have an ai that was trained on every RLM Picard review that can just generate an endless stream of reviews for seasons of Picard that don’t exist. What a future it will be.
I get the vibe that Jack Crusher is a changling, notice how they were friendly with him when they first saw him, they wanted him to go with them and get gets those flashes and stuff.
In DS9 changlings would send out parts of themselves into the galaxy to learn stuff then return home, like Oto was in DS9.
holy shit... also telepathy or mind control (brain control?) is a kind of changling thing of the mind.... (brain?)
What if Picard's DNA makes psychic changlings?! Bum BUM BUUUUUUMM....
He is 100% not a Changeling.
@@DIEGOSHAY wow, you've seen the latest episode, good job, dork
I was thinking he either ate a changeling or has one replacing lots of his body symbiotically and is starting to seep into his consciousness like a cross between Robocop and Venom.
Oto….Oto….OOOOooooTTTTToooooOooo
Both Picard and Kirk were in the weird ribbon universe,... They are the only two bodies that can be analyzed that have been exposed to literal "eternity" universe magic.
Guinan got out of the ribbon universe, probably hundreds did, not sure how. But maybe they go that way..... Mike and Rich are bending over backwards to not hate this s3, but I have no liking for it. The deep flaw of mundane mystery boxes not a actual scifi puzzle out in open is so awful, I can't not hate it.. to be fair I do think seeing wrinkled faces is not fun and depressing, like seeing your old girlfriend now a fat wrinkled grandma, Hollywood is for the pretty though we try not to say it aloud....
They both are still there
@@mostlyguesses8385 Actually I agree. I had hope after episode one but was inevitably let down with the writing overall. Just because its "better" than Disco, (to say nothing of seasons one and two) doesn't mean its, "good". So many idiotic and wasted moments, Like Hey; guess what,... not all the Changelings are from the link, We know that specifically from DS9, but no, small universe is small and we have no real love of the Alpha Canon, so they get what they get... I was just pointing out that there could have been a real reason for the bodies...
BTW: that would be a dark twist indeed if Starfleet experimented on living people, AKA Quinan and the others who had been in the ribbon.
And contradictorily/ ultimately, I disagree with the Star Fleet automatically is the "good" idea, We are told over and over again in all the series That Admirals are power hungry and stupid... That demonstrates a baked in corruption at the top, which permeates to the lower ranks in many instances,... Like Spock's ironic silencing of the Punk Rocker on the bus and Quarks musings on Root Beer.
Best ending for Picard.
Realizes he never left the Nexus and opts to return to the past to prevent the Hobus Nova, bringing us back to the bright future of Trek.
Have all your little characters you created for this show make an appearance but radically kinder, not drug addicts, and keeping their pre established (albeit rushed) relationships from previous series.
@@christophermitchell7001 .. Biggest issue is I don't want to be on dark confusing Starships so would hate being recruit, and I don't want to live in society of lazy consumeristic Federation they show. They flipped the plot, now future and humans suck. It's like showing US Army as Mostly villains and weak and then having a combat movie, nothing can fix that, it ruins the mood. . . I honestly think shooting in dark saves budget, but that's half the problem, dark is depressing, imagine a hospital tv show all dark itd be unwatchable...... We can analyze too much, they made dozen of these bad decisions so show is not fun.... SciFi wise the Fed is supposed to be super wealthy, with hard workers, any big threat gets massive response and won, only in surprise small raids can any enemy get a small victory. In a Fed of 900,000,000,000 citizens with hi tech they would have sensors and 9,000,000,000 security people in 90 million ships thousands orbiting each planet spotting problems early and then overwhelming them. Yet we have 6 heroes who for some reason cant get help from those 9b...... If a molester was running around rich Dubai or Beverly Hills and they coulsnt be bothered to hire more security you'd conclude this society sucks, they deserve to suffer, or at least these people have bad characters....... Ian Banks the Culture books summed up this problem, wealth and tech DOES defeat risks and future will be safe from outside enemies, it'll be like IBM vs hillbillies building computers of wood it's silly to claim a normal enemy I threat.... Maybe they can face genius scientist who finds genius trick, but even then don't Fed have 9b scientists too...... . . . .. . . I'm being boring.... Just, you can't have galactic threats, instead have 1 ship fighting to save 1 cargo ship from pirates, that's realistic, Id play old Trek boardgame and we d do that ..... I won't comment on how Starfleet is solid military bureaucracy running trillion dollar ships armed with meganukes, no rule breakers allowed, to drop this respect for rules and honesty is like having rule breakers in your electric power company that's soon ends in disasters...... I wonder could they not make a boring exploration show, like 2001 movie the first half, lotsa music and visuals and sappy crew being happy?? I admit that seems like Cruise Ship in space with lotsa dating, but ain't that Roddenberry's future vision, not this Kafkaesque Dark Workplace Of Yelling?. Ha. I'm boring.
24:25 "Doesn't remember if founders even had their own ships". My faith in Mike's Star Trek knowledge has been shattered.
I think he meant that all the Dominion ships we saw were Jem'Hadar/Vorta ships (even though they're arguably also Founder ships), but we never saw a ship type specific to the Founders themselves.