Collins Performance Stage 2 Ford Focus ST! *Review*
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- Thanks to Jack for letting me have a spin in his very tidy Mk2 Focus ST, tuned by Collins Performance. It was interesting for me comparing this to my current Focus RS Mk2, and I also had an ST back in the day too :)
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I have the same 2.5 turbo 5 pot engine in my MPV. It pulls my Ford S-max along perfect! The engine is smooth and has character.
People saying it is weak because only 220hp have to remember how incredibly conservative this is tuned and what basic parts it has as standard. Not even forgetting its FWD intended application and long service interval. How much torque it has from factory is good even for a big MPV. Ford and Volvo people have fully built it with all upgraded parts and bigger turbo. They can get 650-700-800hp all day, not just for the track, not even race fuel. The engine is a classic design. Although by "Modern standards" it my be too thirsty, I get 15 MPG driving around central London where I live, max. I can get 30 MPH on a slow clear road cruse.
I got the bigger Airtec inter-cooler and Ramair intake. I am thinking about the exhaust but I do not want any silly noise around town.
The engine makes the S-Max feel light, you always got to remember it is not.
In comparison to my old 2.2 TDCI powered S-Max the 2.5T S-Max is a dream to drive. Although, the 2.2 TDCI was one of the smoother Diesels with more factory torque than the 2.5T at the end of the day the 2.2 TDCI was agricultural in comparison. The 2.2 never returned me less than 25 MPG so it did have that going for it. Then again it never return much more. It ended up giving me ALL the EGR ,VNT, DPF, Injector and other diesel related maintenance issues. Around town in E1 London the last thing you want is the constant Daggg Dagger of the TDCIs high pressure pistons charging up and down, even if it pulls like a train.
Had a mk2 xr5 turbo (st225) in australia, absolutely loved that car! Miss it every day, never had a drama with it and it was my pride and joy
Good video 👌
That moment when the passenger asks more technical and mechanical questions than the person doing the review.....
(Love the car and its a banger vid m8. Keep up the good work)
Having an ST3 myself. I know this video cost over £100 in fuel.
my wrx was alot worse on fuel than my st3 is lol
Mad to think ive been watching you for 5 years now 👍 keep it up
Actually the standard recirc valve is something you definitely need to upgrade if you remap the car. The oem one is made of plastic and contains a fragile spring which goes bad if you increase the boost.
My ST 225 Mk2 has 300HP, stage 2 tuned for extra 75hp. Got a nd-tuning Gen2 CAIS Cold Air Induction System, AIRTEC GEN3 INTERCOOLER, massive exhaust - the ends both measure 5" across, the largest I have ever seen on a ST - not sure the make, it came with the car. The Dreamscience map is insane, and the car is a real handful at 300hp, especially in the wet and on the straight - torque steer is a slight problem if your head isn't switched on when you boot it. The boost just keeps going and going, 1.2 all the way up the gears. The sound is amazing, even when idle, but boot it and you need some noise-cancelling headphones. Only paid £3.5k for it, and that is the most fun I've had for such little money.
@@CarFocused Thanks. It was cheap because of the paintwork. Sun has dulled the driver's side, the bonnet has some lacquer peeling, and there is a slight ding at a rear arch. Apparently, according to the seller, everyone who had interest walked away because of the paintwork - Whereas myself, I'm never too bothered by aesthetics, it's a great car.
Still have the car? I've been thinking of picking up a already modified one but waiting for the moment I see one that has had a lot of care and the usual repairs done like drive shaft and all the rest. Appreciate if you respond.
If he drives it, he’ll love it, look forward to that vid. Lovely ST.
Pretty much the same performance mods as mine, just needs the downpipe now 😀
If he hasn't had the block mod done yet I'd recommend it as there are too many horror stories!
Great video 👌
the mk2 st was the best because of the engine.
And electric orange paint!
He means in the focus
@Chris it's one of the best for sound. That's it
Well you're in the minority then.
I'm talking about the sound not bhp
RS injectors help with the top end quite a bit but also his turbo can’t breath properly hence the need for a down pipe.
Good content mate👍🏻
Car Focused actually so am I, Subaru STIs and mk6 golf r’s😜
I fitted a 3" downpipe, 3" de cat and a mountune non resonated 3" cat back to mine, like you say, driven normally its just a Focusl' but open the taps and it sounds wicked. They are getting a touch old now but being a manual, you can't beat the experience. Got some Eibach springs and a uprated rear anti roll bar to go on as the next mod.
Good video, keeping old Fords alive!
you can beat the experience by having the Italian 5 cylinder turbo that has an actual throttle cable connected to the engine so you can feel exactly what the engines doing that is known to handle big power with better than volvo reliability and less running issues.
Still love the Mk2 ST and this is a good one. I’d change the recirc before the actuator too see if that cures the boost drop off (though the ST turbo’s boost will drop off at higher revs). An LSD and new front bushes would work wonders. We need a 5 pot Focus meet up 😊
Can we arrange it in northern Ireland 🤣🤣
Everytime your intro comes out i shout "he's crashed he's crashed " as it was the tune too police camera action i think ?
The wallowy-ness will probably be the rear anti roll bar. Get a hardrace or another 24/25mm one and I swear you'll notice the difference. One of the best mods I've done on mine 👍
O really? You reckon that good? Will have to look into it 😁
@@hayleyandjack909 honestly! You notice the rear just stays stable and it makes it feel more "oversteer" led. Within 30 mins on a backroad I'd gotten use to it and would never have an ST225 without one. Now I've got a front lower strut brace and sitting on bilsteins so it's even better. Sharper up front and the rear stays flatter. Good combo if money allows mate. But fundamentally the rear anti roll bar is a cheap, great upgrade. I promise 👍
@@jacobaptodd certainly looking into it! Had another tuner company tell me the difference it makes, so 100% on the list!
I'm running stage 2 Revo, 300hp 360ftlbs. Mine is much more aggressive. Good vid.
Owned 2 EO STs, first one I bought new from Gates Ford in Stevenage in 2006.. As a daily it was awesome, I may have an RS now, but I still miss the ST!
Car Focused Definitely.. I was quite surprised how different my RS felt compared to my ST. The ST was my daily driver though so I got quite attached to it. The RS is a garage queen, to the point that I’ve almost forgotten what it’s like to drive lol
@@CarFocused Praying for summer, all this cold and wind is getting a bit boring now lol.. Yep, going to put some miles on her this year 👌
The standard Ford recirc valves aren't great as soon as you start modifying. Ford themselves have admitted they put the wrong springs in and they only have a plastic housing. You'll notice the difference will hold boost better and give you a slight difference in turbo flutter too.
The whistle will more than likely be the standard recirc valve. 'The mouse' shows up whenever you put an aftermarket induction kit on them. Same issue is present on the mk2 RS.
It's definitely worth it 100%. Although the standard part is 'up to the job' an aftermarket, better quality valve is always a no loss upgrade. Have a turbosmart on my mk2 RS running revo 4+ 441hp and it does the job nicely. Also fitted one recently to a mates pfl mk2 St and it got rid of the whistle for him to. He also has a ramair intake on that.
My ST mk2 has the RS injectors and the RS clutch, I’m thinking of putting the manifold and turbo off an RS, as that’s what many people are doing. Nice video and ST lads 🙂
The mk2 st is a great car my Mrs has a standard 1, it's got a smooth pull all the way through the rev range no sudden turbo boost feel but keeps on pulling, she needs a exhaust thought dont get that 5 pot raw ,I will have to sort that, drives very different to a mk2 rs not tight and direct like the mk2 rs when I took my bluefin map off my mk2 rs it lost that dump of boost like you were saying gary on your mk2 rs, and I find with the st steering you have to to turn the wheel a lot to get round corners or maybe cause mk3 rs is sensitive great vid cheers steve👍😀
Nice video Gary. Love the sound of that ST
Car Focused would be worth it for the sound alone 😀
Good video mate, nice guy the owner but didn't seem too enthusiastic about his car. Don't imagine you can really compare the two (ST/RS) as they are completely different motors, bonus of a 10yo+ ST is you can thrash it about and not have park miles away from a supermarket entrance. Was parked next to one identical to yours today, was a thing of beauty 👍
I think he was very nervous aswell.
Didn't think I was too nervous, I'm alright on camera I feel.. I have lost a bit of love for the car of late so maybe that comes across on camera!
@@hayleyandjack909 it's a nice motor mate 👍
Not sure how I got unsubscribed but I'm glad I come across this video I like your channel
Coming from a MK3 Focus RS and ST I did grow a liking for the ford hatchbacks but I must say that Ford always fails in their interiors and looks to me like they particularly age well either and I don’t mean by touch and feel it just looks overall cheap and outdated. Now I can compare this with a same 2010 VW GTI which are the hatchback benchmarks in interior and age very well both in quality and styling. Love the video overall nice little hatch we never got them
Here in NorthAmerica like most of the cool variants we get short changed.this side of the pond.
My mk2 st had a dream science map with decat and the boost does drop considerably after 6k revs. The turbo is just too small. The trade off is full boost very early in the rev range and hardly any lag in between gear changes. For comparison it was a TINY bit slower than a stock mk2 RS. your tuned RS will be a good chunk quicker hence why u described the boost as being more savage in your RS
Yip... I reckon Jack deserves a drive of your RS, Gary
Im running mountune mr310 in mine love it...
Great vid and nice car mate probably should have tested a st that had full stage 2 mods you would notice a lot of difference if the chap had a down pipe , updated recirculating valve and actuator and rs clutch
Yeah I'm missing the downpipe, but for my power, Collins state I don't need actuator or recirc valve
Miss my mk2 st 😔 he deffo needs fmic and the downpipe to finish it off. Noticed a fair difference when I had mine fitted. Nice vid guys ✌👌
Intercooler is already fitted, jusy need the downpipe.. I may squeeze it in before I sell up 👀
Intercooler is another must have to keep the intake temps down, got a mountune one on mine rated for 300 bhp+
Mine was a stage 1 map 2-3 years watching this makes me wanna get another st lol
@@CarFocused the fuel cost off them lol 🤣😂🤣
Is the rs mk2 worth say 16k compared to a 6k focus st?
Nah!
i own a one of these but in sea grey, got most mods on it and the black stripe ,think there brilliant cars, not the fastest cars in the world but so much fun and the noise is top quality. i would definitely change the recirc valve though, there a stock crap rubber diaphragm. you get a noise chatter as well ;). p.s id like to see the rs lol
Got to love the MK2 ST, great driven normally and even better once modded and driven hard. I'm running MR290 with a miltek ultimate and its great fun, I know you organised a meet up with cars going ahead to head any chance this might happen again with a mixture of RS & ST's?
Top draw again pal 💪🏻
the standard recirc valves are known to leak on these, i wud upgrade it tbh for peace of mind
2010 they changed the gear shifter...shorter shifts and shorter.
Also the middle consol moves in and out. Fot better arm rest
RS would come on harder and hang onto boost better up top as its a physically bigger turbo
Did he have the block mod?
Duuuude the sound uuuuuuffff 🤤🤤🤤😍😍 i can get enough of it
This car sounds epic 😍
Got the 5pot bug now, thanks 🙄😂
That sound tho👌
Great video Gary the wallowie handling will be them spacers mate these really don’t like them 👍🏼
Yeah mate my ST really didn’t like the spacers it made it kind of sketchy on the corners tbh , also he will deff enjoy the RS 😁😁 the RS will prob be ok could also be that he only has the spacers on the rear
get those shockers changed,that will sort wheel arch scraping
Feels wallowy. Tat will be the shocks that have done 90K plus.
How did it drive compared to the stock mk4 you tested.
I wish somebody could do a good review on a Mk3/Mk3 FL.
Collins CP300. It’s near impossible to get the Mp275 upgrade it’s never in stock, I went for a bluefin remap in my mk3 FL ST, it’s good and bad, it’s got power for sure but I can’t really use it in lower gears, At higher gears say 3rd above it pulls really strong but can feel power power really drop off after about 5000rpm, problem is that it dumps huge torque in the low rpm and spins the wheels far too easily to the point where first gear is hopeless if your going to plant it.
Car Focused
That’d be interesting
Do you have oportunity to compare cars with Collins performance vs JW Racing map? ST225 or RS305
Not really mate ☹️
Absolutely love the decals on side would the owner have any links as to were there from top vid 👍👍
I got them from DMB mate.. www.dmb.uk.com/prod/57/focus-mk2-twin-upper-stripe-kit
Appreciate that fellas thank you 👍
Best sound but RS sound just stronger thicker and mad
Nice car but I don’t like the wheels, and why fit spacers when the rear wheels rub the arches?. Can’t beat the Volvo five pot. Still think that the mk2 rs is the best hot hatch that money can buy, rs3 included.
Wheels are like marmite I find! Some people love them and some dislike then. Spacers make it look good 👌I rarely drive it hard to make it scrape
Gotta have the leather recaro’s? Really? Rather have the cloth seats personally.
Nice ST btw, enjoyed the review
The leathers with the sculpted rear bench are the ones for me 😊 Thanks for watching mate!
Would be nice to know if it's still going strong
It is mate had a full big power build at Collins Performance with a new owner!
Glad to here it, I do love your rs and I'm always looking at the prices and wow I couldn't even trade my mk7 R in for one and over time your rs will be worth a small fortune abit similar to my friends low mileage evo fq340 that he only drive a few times a year and I've never been in a car that handles like his evo its next level compared to my R
Oh that boom 🤣 (jack) 🤣
Can I drive the RS please 🙋♂️
Its the Collins map they are the most linear and tame the revo stage 2 and dreamscience modx are alot more aggressive
I had a Collins map and didn't like it so went with revo
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It's a collins map they arent aggressive I wasnt keen of the collins they too soft imo I like it to dart and hug down
Who would you recommend for an aggressive map?
@@ElectroInkTattooShop if you want a custom map which id recommend i would go to ddg in Manchester
Or a generic map definitely go with dreamscience I have the modx from Dreamscience and its nicely aggressive
@@deanpedley DS is close to me, to be fair both are as im in Yorkshire. I need the aggressiveness but, the pops and bangs can be reserved for the younger generation. 😝
@@ElectroInkTattooShop same m8 im 43 so no pops and bangs my end either
Another Yorkshire st owner 👌 I'm from near Wakefield
@@deanpedley Not far at all, Doncaster here. Yes the pops and bangs get old don’t they the older you get 😝
Trying soo hard to find something to like about the car...but he just couldn't come up with anything 🤣🤣
Hes like im telling you mate its built like an RS and RS owner jus keep shttting ion his parade. Nah mate its nothing like the RS ill tell you what its like Focus ST trying to be more. Is the ST AWD? The RS is isnt it. I saw RS500 on ebay £13k and thought damn thats good. Fk paying 10k intothese things start there.
5 door
Yea makes it more practical 👌🏻
@@CarFocused true that
Dead this car now was in a crash I've got the engine in my focus
@@Kyle_ST-CP420 yea I heard. Shame as the car was very tidy 😢
@@Kyle_ST-CP420 that sucks
it looks hench lol
bore
Thanks for the constructive comment 😃