Idk not hard you can easily Kill lions in armor or with swords. The Roman’s made many animals go Extinct because of the gladiators killing them for fun and show. There’s missing species that are directly related to being trapped and hunted by them. A few bear species and large cats. I don’t think people realize how deadly a sword is. We don’t use them anymore and you can easily take down Large Crocs with a sword. People forget how sharp they are and heavy them are depending on the origin. A skilled human with a sword can take down many many people. Lions we’re not a match for a shield and swords solider at all let alone a armored one The teeth can’t get through armor I’d imagine a fully armored skilled knight can easily taken down a equal sized Raptor if they can kill crocks easily
@@JNAMOTORSPORTS I get that but the dragon im imagining is different If a dragon not even the full size of a T Rex 1v1'd a knight I would be very impressed if the knight won. In my head it's pretty cool, they can fly, they're huge, (probably not, but theres fire too) I know it isn't one but a Tyrannosaur would easily crush knight armor, so I think you would have to be really skilled with a sword and a badass to actually kill a dragon. The problem is probably that our vision of a dragon irl isn't the same, mines closer to fantasy even without fire breathing, but still, even those humans who killed Lions are probably way above average compared to todays standards.
@@maximusmarquez5660 Your imagination is based on fiction. In real life no such thing can exist. If you have studied a bit about animal species you will know why.
Have you ever dressed out a bird/chicken? Their wings are deceiving. More feathers very little bone to the wing. I have a sign outside my run that says "enter the dragon". I call them dragons, dinosaurs all the time. Because, they are.
@@TheSADexpat no also the t Rex was thought to actually use those arms to hold down prey and those arms could lift like 400 pounds so yeah they were actually pretty useful also it had the strongest bite force ever so it didn't really need huge arms
@@dakotataylor223 sorry I already believed t Rex’s were dragons before I saw this post, rbey even have the body structure similar to birds, that no land animals that I know has… they are closer to chicken shaped then lion or bear shaped
@@TheSADexpat no shit they aren't gonna look like a fucking bear dude they were giant reptile birds creatures and yeah the closest thing a have to a trex right now is actually a chicken so yeah
Anybody that makes a statement like this has obviously never done acid or mushrooms. Alter your sense of reality yes. Make you see things that aren't there no, unless there's an underlying condition.
He forgot to mention man's need to collect trophies. Sure, hollow bones like birds would be hard to fossilize but hunters have been collecting trophies of their triumphs for millennia. If humans hunted dragon they would have at least kept the skull, claw, teeth, or horn. There would be heads mounted somewhere if they actually exist.
@@Spartacuz911 He is making the assumption that dragons were wiped out by knights in the video. Bone, scales, horn, and teeth could easily survive into the modern day if they were hunted by knights, especially with the likelihood that knights would take keepsakes after defeating a dragon.
Exactly my thought! Also there were a lot of these stories in medival times that are not that long ago. Not even a thousand years. Many cities in Europe are a lot older. That's not enough time to fossilize. If they would have been real, you would have found a trophy scull or similar in every second castle.
I think they’re point being that despite the fact that they had little to no contact, somehow they all came up with the exact same description of a dragon. It’s beyond frustrating that I even have to explain it. It’s not like I genuinely believe that dragons were flying around back then but the point was ridiculously obvious
@@johncanes5686 Except they do not have the same description of a dragon . They have not even agreed whether they have four or two legs or if they have any legs at all . Asian dragons don't even have wings . The only agreement is that a dragon is a reptile looking thing that can breathe fire
@@pp-wo1sd a large flying lizard that can spit fire is enough similarity to happen across different cultures and civilizations around the globe who had zero to none contact with each other. You have to admit that it's least curious. I also don't belive in the existence of dragons. But can't deny that it's amazing how these isolated societies had all their own version of large flying spiting fire lizard.
@@flsaurus "large flying lizard who breathes fire" that only fits to european dragons who are animalistic, plus fire breath comes from "Beowulf" story. chinese dragons are wise godlike creatures of water and are amalgamation of other creatures. Aztec dragon is just snake with feathers. There are many other dragons and all of them are really different of that description
Theoretically it’s more believable that they found the bones of a dinosaur and tried to imagine what it looked like when it was Alive and who could have killed such a beast.
The issue with this is that they are being depicted as living side by side with us, whereas the fossils we have found precede us by a "few" years. So, no, dinos =/= dragons.
@@hisokamorow6709 if you put a giant T-Rex skull in your tavern and people start to ask how it died, surely you can imagine the stories won't be about natural causes. Some will even claim they themselves were the once who killed the beast. So then obviously the tales will state they lived among humans
Another theory I’ve heard is that it was dinosaur fossils and people of the time didn’t fully understand what they were looking at and assumed they were dragons
This. It's the most logical conclusion you can draw from this. Dinosaurs were everywhere, all over the world. It makes sense that people would think "dragons" are everywhere
But in eastern hemisphere the dragons are very different often times they are huge and looks like a serpent with giant head scally skin. Also in eastern cultures dragons are depicted as celestial entities too that can shapeshift and perform magic or has magically abilities.
Yeah let's see dipshit. They fight a standing creature and go durr let's draw it with wings and scales durr. You're fucking stupid if you think they would just Make up something different
That's literally what happen Found dino fossils. Made stories about them. Had experiences with venomous serpents, bigcats, etc, made stories about them. As always, all those stories where over exagerated. All of those come together and mix into what we now know as a "Dragon", or more specifically, all of the "Draconic" creatures.
Considering ancient people used to take all non edible body parts of almost every animal they encountered (including other humans) as a trophy or lucky charm, I find hard to believe they decided not to do that with the giant terrifying sky lizards
Exactly, the idea that dragons coexisted with humans is pure fantasy. There were obviously flying lizards before humans existed, but those can hardly be called 'dragons'.
@Stim4 they also had wall art depicting half goat men. Doesnt mean they actually existed lol. I have a book that depicts spiderman. Does that mean he must also exist?
Exactly 😂 they quite litterally have proof for a flying reptile and its existence is generally accepted, but basically the same thing Just a few thousand years later is so far fetched and unrealistic
I dont know much about that stuff, probably not, otherwise there would'nt be so much to discuss about I guess😁 I would say though that just because they havent found something yet doesnt mean it didnt exist, seems pretty likely to me that we dont know of or havent found every single thing/animal that has ever existed on this earth and we surely never will. However, I didnt mean to say that they must have existed Just because something similar existed millions of years before that. I Just meant to say that all these people claiming the common image of dragons is too unrealistic and unlikely to have ever actually existed in some way should think of all the unbelievable, weird creations that definitely already wandered on this earth 🙃
@@Thecrimsonking01 Man it was Just written in the Moment and "slightly" exaggerated, dont kill me😅🙏 Like I said, the time span and everything was Not my point
@@mogambo2445 yes it is. When you take the beginning of human civilization to the end of human civilization. 2000 year time difference is close enough.
@@Veela666 its not, human civilization is considered to have started 5000 years ago. So 2000 years of that total of 5000 is pretty much half of it. So its a damn long time.
The delusion of some people is astounding, thinking we could eradicate dragons from existance but can't even hold our own against a tiger or gorilla. People are f*cking stupid.
Not all dragons are huge and look like how you just imagined them , obv there’s different sizes like in the pictures . But you don’t think humanity was able to come up with something to take them down ? They won’t just coward away in their homes for forever lol
Unless they got the size wrong. It’s a possibility that a lizard type animal had wings, maybe it couldn’t fly, and maybe it just had hot/warm breath that made people think it could breath fire.
Problem with the hollow bone theory is that we know for a fact that hollow bones DO fossilize. Theropod dinosaurs, particularly the Dromeosaurid family, have hollow bones.
@@Heuhegeygeygeheu Even if it was unlikely, given enough time, some of those bones would have been preserved even if some of them had decayed. Barbatos point stands.
Well to fossilize very specific conditions have to be met. And there “Dragons” are most likely any reminetts of Large reptiles that may have been left over from the past the word dinosaur wasn’t invented till 1930 so any large lizard was called a Dragon. Dragon=Dinosuar
Yeah. Go back to 3rd grade English and maybe u can comprehend what was actually said. And if u look up the word dragon in a Websters dictionary from the 1800s next to the word it says now rare. Referencing that it was a real animal that walked the earth. Dragons were any large lizard like creature with wings or without. And if the winged ones did have hollow bones there would be very few fossils if any because many fossils were destroyed by people digging and carving stone not having a clue or caring what they were looking at.
A) if people killed dragon they would've kept trophy B) Dinosaurs bones have been found for millenia by the human race C) Dragons really don't have wings in all cultures. Even in famous classics like saint-george, they seem vestigial rather than functional.
He is saying the bones would break down and not fossilize and he is saying flying lizards had porris bones like birds. There was still non-flying dinosaurs that didnt have thin bones because they didnt need to fly. This is all just theoretical of course since there is no concrete proof. Be cool if there were dragons and we could get its DNA for cloning lol.
@@springerworks002 I don't think having wings is required to be a dragon but it is one of the most common depictions like say a dragon that can breathe fire but no wings is still a dragon just a flightless one, also I believe Chinese dragons don't have wings and are more serpentine in design.
@@springerworks002Not true. The distinction between those different "animals" is not made in most old texts, but is often made today. When Sigurd/Siegfried comes to the hort of the Nibelungs, he finds the creature Fafnir there for example. Fafnir is mostly depicted as a Lindwurm (Dragon with no wings and no hind legs) but sometimes he does have wings, more legs or no legs at all. He nevertheless is called a "Drachentöter" (dragon-killer) in the texts. In the same text the creature is also called a "Wurm" (worm) which is a synonoyme for snake. Worm ia also used when talking about flying dragons or even for "Tatzelwürmer", a mixture between a cat and a dragon like snake.
@CHUCK ZETO one of the vsauce channels. And it's not that ridiculous,we have alot of evolutionary adaptations that help us fend off against snakes,for example our eyes.
So there’s a theory out there that the first ever “recorded dragons” were actually a group of Scandinavian Vikings that came across dinosaur bones and told stories of fire breathing dragons. Similar tails are also told by other people from across the world that happen to see dinosaur bones, but mistaken them for dragons.
That's cool, I never knew that! This is also supposed to be the route of the Greek Pantheon - giant femurs and other bones which the people of the time put down to the existence of god-like giants. Also, the cyclops was based on a mammoth skull - without the trunk they have a huge hole in the front like a single eye hole. Love this sort of stuff!
Ok so Vikings went to Japan and told them to draw dragons. . Everyone knows that the dragons are the seed of the great serpent.... "nephilim" giants dragons demons all the offspring of fallen angels
@@johncrowley3322 Bruh Vikings literally went all down to North America and some parts of Mesoamerica. Also, depictions of dragons are COMPLETELY different from one place to another. The most probable thing is that they found some old bones from any dinosaur. Also, I'm not sure there's dragons in Japanese mythology.
Why would you think bones would exist 500 years later? They break down relatively fast. You're correct in Most cases that they wouldn't have time to fossilize, but Certainly could break down. We use bone meal in gardening, & thats solid bone that breaks down in months.
You can’t kill an ostrich with a .38 from 6 ft away because they have 2” thick breast plates, but somehow Mattias killed a fucking dragon with a pointy spear and metal armor that would have worked as an oven, limiting his mobility? Ok, dude. Fucking sure.
Flying reptiles are still not Dinos, they’re their own genus, Same as how marine reptiles are also a whole different lineage setting them apart from land dwelling sauropods to the flight-capable pterodactyls.
I actually met Denmark's one and only professional "Kryptozoolog", and he told me why dragons were so fascinating to him. Not only did dragons appear in multiple cultures, but there was pretty much only one "iteration", so to speak, of dragons in their respective cultures. Basically every cryptid animal has passed through multiple iterations of depictions before they ended as the final depiction we now know them by. Dragons, however, pretty much only had one depiction. As if every culture got it in one take. He can't say why that is, but it got him pretty stoked.
we have no physical evidence but copious cultural evidence. this reconciles the two. what’s the alternative? worldwide hallucinations of the same creature despite being continents apart with no communication?
This comment section makes me lose all confidence in humanity. Bro said it fossilizes badly like bird bones and everyones confirmation bias kicks in without looking at the evidence. A) bird bones don't fossilize well, but there are still bird fossils so still my question is where are the dragon fossils b) you're trying to tell me that there was several species of flying lizards breathing fire and they were all hunted to extinction by knights? So how are knights on a horse gonna HUNT something that could in all reality just fly away easily? An arrow ain't gonna one shot a dragon And also if it was so common place for knights to hunt dragons. Why is there literally no written evidence of it? There were knights that wrote a diary. None of those are talking about casually killing what would be the insanest Apex predator nature had ever seen. C) did they only evolve into being dragons in the mid ages for knights to kill them? Other Apex predators have been around millions of years longer than humans even exist. Why was there never a dragon fossil found when we have plenty of bird fossils even though "they don't fossilize". I love watching Joe for entertainment but you guys gotta remember that's what it is. Entertainment. Don't think dragons existed. Turn on your head and think for yourselves. And really reflect on what confirmation bias is and how you can see it in yourself and keep yourself from falling victim to your own instincts...
We've found thousands of bird fossils. The fact that all the cases of flying creatures all present in the same region, is most accurately explained as folklore stories.
Even if they were real. Most likely, we would have had fissile records of their evolutionary path up to the middle ages or the games of when people fought them. Things is, we don't. If people say dinosaurs. Tell me this, why would we start fighting them 65ish million years when we did not even split off from other primates. And mammals were pretty much in their early stages of their split from synapsids?
dragon bones and scales are legendary for their medicinal and magical properties and everybody would have wanted a piece brings to mind powdered rhino horn and the fact that none would ever stick around to be preserved if poachers had their way
While the idea of dragons is a very culturally diverse one, an even simpler reason as to why almost all cultures had some variant of a dragon/Wyrm is simply that cultures often incorporate ideas from each other. This can be seen most clearly with the cultural history of nations (Greece, Rome, Egypt) along important trade routes and the Mediterranean Sea. Having those very important interactions they’re cultures eventually became more similar than compared to other cultures with limited interactions to the nations. By means similar to cultural evolution, ideas on creatures such as dragons (would have not only been very popular for bards) would have propagated heavily from person to person. While being distorted from (essentially) a game of telephone resulted in may variations of creatures of various qualities. Reasons such as listed would possibly have been the reason for mythological creatures such as Gaasyendietha (of Seneca belief) or Quetzalcoatl (of Aztec belief), which the former may have resulted by contact with Viking groups that visited North America within similar regions to Seneca regions over 1000 years ago. Gaasyendietha very much resembles a Wyrm or dragon In many ways by being depicted as spewing and leaving fire all around itself, not exact proof it’s a dragon but still a possible link towards some sort of cultural effect. As for Quetzalcoatl, while not exactly a dragon (being a serpent deity), due to existing similarities between the two (namely being serpentine in nature) there is a possibility of a correlation. Overall tho there may truly be many different reasons as to the widespread idea of dragons. (Note* sorry for the possible incoherence I don’t care to proof read this is UA-cam and I’m just passing along ideas)(edit 1 Note2* as you can tell by the length I hope it’s coherent, it’s probably not)
Wow what a wall of text. Simple theory that is probably correct instead of trying some crazy all cultures borrow from each other is. Dinosaur bones are found everywhere and when men find them they use their imaginations to create a mythos about them. Pretty simple.
@@MainerdLoyd well and there can be many explanations, Occam’s razor ig. But t’was just a thought. Thought you’re probably right, that it being the simplest explanation.
Honeycomb shakes hollow bones and second stomach they used as a flight bladder. When they are or made a helium like gas they used to help stay aloft, they also used this bladder for fire breathing aka giant burb go boom boom.
He's right and wrong at the same time. yes there were "dragons" although more than likely these were just dinosaurs but at that time, the word dinosaur didn't exist so they called them dragons or other names. In the middle ages there were actually jobs feeding captive "dragons" and they had listed what was feed to them and how much. Dinosaurs like sauropods and some theropods (gigantic dinosaurs) actually have very light bones especially for the neck area being up to 80% air near the head, they fossilized just fine. Also other soft bodied animals have fossilized with soft tissues intact even, such as worms, birds have fossilized and they have delicate bones as well. He also does not have a grasp on how something becomes a fossil. The only way a fossil can be created is by a very fast cataclysmic flood event involving a torrent of mud, sand and/or ash quickly covering the animal and becoming buried fast! Indeed much of the fossil record shows this, with fossils of animals giving birth, eating another animal, ect. most dinosaurs are in the drowning death pose where the head and neck arches backwards to such an extreme degree that in some cases the nose will be nearly touching the rectum area! Talk about your rectal / cranial inversion lol! knights killing a "dragon" or dinosaur will NOT create a fossil, it will just deteriorate over a short time. Think about it though, how would a dinosaur look to someone in the middle ages or earlier? Plus to possibly help solve the "fire breathing dragons" depictions and myths, this may have been partly true! People killed them because they were eating their hurds and flocks! Ranchers kill predators today that threaten their animals. a published paper in the scientific journal “The Anatomical Record” a team of American researchers have demonstrated that the skulls of several different types of dinosaurs were sophisticated structures and that they possessed very complex olfactory areas and nasal passages as well as a number of air cavities. They suggest these may have been to increase the sense of smell or maybe resonance chambers for distinctive calls, but are ultimately still unsure and trying to figure it out. Think about this, the bombardier beetle can mix hydroquinone (a skin irritant and is used in skin lightening products) and hydrogen peroxide together creating a chemical reaction that heats up to 212 degrees and will feel like fire as a defense mechanism! Could it be possible that some of these dinosaurs had a similar ability for defense and that it was mistaken for "fire breathing" dragons? In the 1977 fishermen off of the coast of New Zealand pulled out a dead carcass of an animal that was about 33 ft long and about 4000 pounds some scientists said it might be a plesiosaur others said it may be just a terribly rotted basking shark. Personally it could go either way. I do not dismiss the fact that other living fossils and mythical creatures have been found alive such as Coelacanths and giant squid. There are recent tales of rainforest tribes that have described something they've seen that resembles the description of a dinosaur and carvings on ancient temples, ruins and ancient cave art around the world show very similar looks to known dinosaurs as well. Lastly some sites have human and dinosaur footprints in the same strata placement and even on top of each other even. There just seems a bit much going on to just dismiss the idea that people and dinosaurs interacted it seems.
Dude finds ancient Dino skull, imagines what it looked like with skin, made up dragons for stories. Or, dude finds big lizards, plays it up to impress friends with tales of bravery, and it spreads from there. Both are more likely to happen than an actual flying, fire breathing lizard existing.
@@MyReligionIs2DoGood Its not genetically impossible, it just hasn’t happened because fire breath is impractical for flight based entities. Whats a dragon gonna do to a bear in the woods, carpet bomb him?? Would be far easier to just grab the fucker and fly off Besides that, only a few of the dragon myths feature fire breathing
@@MyReligionIs2DoGood not really genetically impossible, look up bombardier beetles. Just improbable, useless, self-harmful, and energy inefficient at dragon scale. Hot oil was used as a weapon by people though, and flamethrowers. So long as it's chemical-based, not magic, I can see it.
This theory can be easily debunked. Let me explain - If a knight or whoever killed a dragon, they would keep some sort of throphy from such a feat. They would likely gift such throphy to their kings, or "trade" it with the king to get a reward, yet theres nothng left of those dragons
Have you ever heard of decomposition? Most of a body is gone within a year from it unless mummified, try keeping organic material around for thousands of years without modern preservation methods, it's not going to happen. Hell a car will rust if left sitting for 60 years and wouldn't be there at all in time. I'm not saying dragons are real but whenever most of the metallic objects from that time are barely there what makes you think a unfossilized or unmummified body would.
@@jaythus3181 im not talking abaut flesh lol. Trophies can wary from skulls, teeth or fangs, even eggs. I can agree that some of those would deteriorate, but there are things from medieval times or even before, that have survived to our times.
Gonna play devil’s advocate here, but just imagine the wealth of treasure some of these long standing empires have that we don’t even know about(UK, China, Vatican City, etc). There could be literally anything in those vaults and us common folk will never see it. I see your point though, if dragons did exist, I’m sure there’d be a scale, tooth, or bone that’s been preserved in a museum
@@talhamalik1190 @jackb3822 @dontknow3949, nope, it doesn't, bird bones are denser than mammal bones and therefore their skeleton weighs the same as similar sized mammals, the hollowness is purely for a higher oxygen capacity.
Okay the only problem with that theory that I say is the fact that we do have pterosaur bones and they were flying lizards as well and they are much older than dragons are depicted to be as so proof of them would be much more likely to preserve especially if they are around in the time of the knights the more likely hypothesis scientists have agreed upon is that ancient humans found bones of different species of animals and then depicted them as being part of these dragons because some of the earliest stories of dragons are dragons that don't have wings and like you said there are many different kinds throughout mythology which means different kinds of Bones were found just the same thing as the Cyclops the Cyclops was depicted from a mammoth skull cuz if you've ever seen the skull of a mammoth there's no way you can say that does not look like a cyclops especially if the only thing you find is the head
@@jeanninerossouw5921 people make stuff up. I can certainly imagine some farmer digging for some reason and coming across a theropod skull. And as anyone would do that farmer would go and tell everyone he killed the former owner of said skull and people would definitely believe that lol.
Given that the largest known “bird” was as tall as a giraffe and could easily soar from continent to continent without flapping, I don’t think dragons were too far fetched.
Ok so let me explain this as a 14 year old group of people makes a story-that group of people split-group of people tells their child a story- those children split- they tell the story- it splits and spreads out and TADA A MYTH
I've always believed dragon's were at some point real because they had to be alive at some point for the legends to start because theres a layer of truth behind every legend
According to Marco polo, there were dragons still in 12th century China. They were hunted down for their meat (apparently they were delicious) and the Chinese medicine market where all parts of the animal were used. They were exclusively nocturnal. So that would explain the lack of Dragon bones in China. European dragons were hunted down and killed long before that time. Although in Greece there is a Venetian letter that claims there was a Dragon that lived on a mountain on the island of Kefalonia in the 14th century that was terrorising the locals and was a man eater. It was hunted down and killed by 2 brothers who later died of their injuries. The dragon was then burned to a crisp and all of its remains were disposed of by the locals.
you do realize birds eat snakes, right? if seen at a long distance, a bird carrying a dead snake, will look like a snake with wings. there are also drugs, you know, the same reason behind the witches? but sure, lets imagine an animal that evolved to slither on the floor, somehow has a cousing that is the same, but has wings...
We have plenty of evidence of the Roman legions but not a shred of evidence of dragons. Don't believe a thing you hear from Joe or his pseudo science idiot mates.
There's an anthropologist, David Jones who studied howler monkeys, I forget the name of the book, but what he found was that the monkeys had very specific safety reactions and actions for snakes, raptors and large carnivorans. So he believes that dragons are a composite creature, a natural indexing mechanism the primate brain develop to always send a warning.
They would also look different depending on their environment so a mountain dragon would need to be large and winged. But the Chinese dragon is long and thin which would suit bamboo forest much better
This is an example of someone who doesn't know geography. Doesn't know mass and proportions. Doesn't know the ancient stories of dragons (which arent their real names btw) from China. Doesn't know the history of what that dragon actually represents. Doesnt know why he exists. Doesn't know why hes dumb.
If you ignore the fancy stuff like being massive and breathing fire, there is no reason why they could not have been real. I mean "flying dinosaurs" are basically dragons. Big prehistoric birds are dragons.
There are 3 types of Dragon types I know about: 1) *Wyverns* Their wings are on their front legs, or more like, their wings and front legs are one in the same, some could even say that they only have two legs and a pair of wings, also they're smaller in size. They resemble Dragons as they are in fact a sub-class/subspecies of Dragons 2) *Wyrms* Short explanation is that it's what a Chinese or Eastern Dragon is called, long explanation is a Creature without wings and in some cases without limbs, they have a serpentine body and are considered the most ancient type of Dragon species, but a Chinese Dragon is an example of a Wyrm. We can all talk about this, but we don't know if they ever existed unlike the common Dragon. 3) *Dragons* Dragons are a species that encompasses many subspecies, but the most common appearance of a Dragon is that of a giant Lizard with 4 Legs and a pair of Wings, in Mythology and Fairy Tales they are known to have the Ability to breath Fire or some kind of element and have tough scales, I do believe that Dragons existed at some point, but I don't think they used to breath Fire, I do believe they had tough scales as lizard-like reptiles today have scales that are decently tough.
As someone with a dragon hyperfixation the Chinese Dragon actually is classified as a Lung Dragon or Long Dragon because it doesn't fit the classification of Wyrm which is a flightless and limbless dragon
The interesting part too is that weather you believe in the Christian Bible or not. It does also mention dragons in their own way and it does say something about breathing fire as a symbol of how fearful God is when he's mad. Interesting to take note since the bible is starting to gather up lots of evidence to real life history. They already found many real like objects that show proof that it's reliable
As a human, as a masculine man I can say without doubt if I killed a T-Rex or a dragon I’d keep the skull and pass it down so the “their bones didn’t fossilize” shit doesn’t work for me
Bro I’m gonna assume your a child so I’m not gonna complicate this but if you have a bone and just keep it it won’t magically turn it a fossil There are quite a few requirements for the formation of a fossil
Just looked it up and crocodiles have porous bones as well. I think the bones aren't here any more because it was highly sought after vy alchemists. It's long been ground up and put into potions and salves.
That is such a stupid explanation, alchemy is fake, and not every ounce of a ‘dragon’ would be thrown in one. Plus, they never existed. Dinosaur bones are the only reason they think dragons existed.
@@mr.pissedoff1903 alchemy was prescience. People would engage in experiments to try and create gold or restore youth. It was mostly shit but that doesn't mean they didn't practice it.
@@basedxrp You’re completely right, I wrote this comment when I was pissed off, big surprise. My bad for being an ass. I can’t recall the source, but I read something that stated bones akin to a pterodactyl, and the people considered it a dragon. I do believe people would use fossilized creatures for alchemy.
I have a specific memory from when I was a kid whereas I thought I saw a dragon. Looking back at it today, i still don’t know what it was. Was on a plane heading for Asia. Looked out the window and far away I saw a “squiggly line” flying and moving towards the opposite direction of my plane. Don’t know what it was but my 6 year old mind automatically assumed it was a Dragon lol.
It's also possible that dragons were just trending as the most popular monsters in fiction at the time. Economic trade allowed us to share goods and stories from halfway across the world. Like genre trends in the film industry today, it is plausible that storytellers were simply adapting a monster story they found interesting from one corner of the world and applying it to their own.
The simpler explanation is that Dinosaurs where all around the globe and when they found these bones people would bullshit that they killed this "dragon"
@@toxico1152 It is, Dinosaurs where all around the earth and there bones where just scattered. Some guy stumbles upon it and bullshits back at the pub about how he got this big bone
@@jabs_labs6828 Playing Devil's advocate here, explain how they all came to depict these creatures as relatively 'identical' and have, across vast cultures, named said creatures in common?
I love how youre so confident of something that happened thousands of years ago. Thats how you keep an open mind. Smh. Even if they didnt exist calling people who question it nut jobs makes you the idiot imo.
@@TheLastApostle Dragons aren't real. Don't be a nut job. Game of thrones is cool but it's just a tv show. also just stop. you have no idea that it happened. much less when. we can tell that dragons aren't real. hellooooooo, we have methods????? what era are you from?
We have creatures with bird-like bones from millions of years ago, fossilised, so it’s more than likely we would find a couple thousand year old bones of a dragon, especially if they were so big.
@@FlurryJoe Yeah, theres still tombs that the public isnt allowed to go inside of, and theres still bones we havnt discovered. We also have no idea how the anatomy of a dragon would work given that they seem to be able to breathe fire, so whatever mechanism they used for that could definitely interfere with their rate of decay. Maybe a dead dragon bursts into flames and incinerates itself into ash? We're talking about creatures that basically have explosives inside of themselves. Just because we never found physical evidence of it doesn't mean it doesnt exist. We don't have any physical evidence of a star either, or a black hole, or gravity. just because we dont have physical evidence doesnt mean they dont exist. We use word of mouth to pass around information and use that information to come to a conclusion. Stars must exist because heat comes from somewhere. Black holes must exist because matter seems to bend around these spots in a galaxy. Dragons could exist because they are depicted around the world by different cultures and we know Dinosaurs existed so a Dragon isnt all that hard to believed. Its basically just a big pterodactyl. Even if a Dragon didnt really breathe fire, take a Pterodactyl, make it bigger, boom its a Dragon. And if you think thats silly look at how big a whale is, now go look up the megalodon. there are sea creatures of immense size that dwarf anything else in nature, so a dinosaur being the size of a whale or a megalodon is literally possible. But, my original point. Is that of a conspiracy theorist. See, our governments have admitted they'll lie to us about things because they think we'd go crazy if we knew the truth about things. When your government actively admits to lying to you "for your own protection" and restricts certain areas that contain ancient history and prevents the public from going in and seeing it, and then when historical and scientific institutions get bought out and forced to repeat the same exact lines when asked questions, its pretty clear we cannot assume we know 100% of everything all the time. If scientists, historians, and governments around the world are all willing to admit they lie to the general public about historical fact, then its pretty clear "not having evidence of XYZ" is a bullshit argument. Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence, especially when the people telling you theres no evidence also mock you, call you crazy, and do everything in their power to prevent you from trying to actually find out the truth.
I prefer Jordan Peterson's idea that the dragon is a combination of everything that haunted our ancestors. Big cat + bird + fire + snake. And that within the human memory, all of these predators, cross culturally, became United into a single symbol - the dragon.
Flying Lizards do exist even now, just smaller. Even tho they just glide rather than flying. This shows it is a possibility. Just like there are birds that only glide and that can fly.
it's more logical that they dug up dinosaur bones and the relation in anatomy to birds is what made them think of them as flying. And then they told stories about heroes because we always tell stories about heroes.
While most depictions could exaggerated, think of a lizard that spits poison (those exist now), think about eels (they generate electricity), now think about a pterodactyl that spits something like napalm or something that burns in contact with oxigen, but they are adapted to it like our stomach to our own gastrid acid.
They probably saw those dragon lizard things and were like, "Oh shit, you know it would make me look badass if you painted me fighting a giant one of those"
“Bet dragons had no chance against bears though” - Joe, probably
Stupid lol
To be fair, have you seen one of those things?
probably one because the bear was on DMT
I feel like the only thing that could take on a dragon is a dinosaur right? And I’m taking that idea if no one has thought of it before
Polar bears specifically🤦🏼😂
"Jamie, pull up that video of that bear fighting a dragon. I'm telling you they are ruthless." - Joe Rogan probably.
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It's entirely possible
If you read this in Joe's voice. It sounds like something he would say.
Dude imagine how much of a badass you'd have to be to kill a dragon with just some armor and a sword.
Idk not hard you can easily
Kill lions in armor or with swords. The Roman’s made many animals go Extinct because of the gladiators killing them for fun and show. There’s missing species that are directly related to being trapped and hunted by them. A few bear species and large cats.
I don’t think people realize how deadly a sword is. We don’t use them anymore and you can easily take down Large Crocs with a sword.
People forget how sharp they are and heavy them are depending on the origin.
A skilled human with a sword can take down many many people.
Lions we’re not a match for a shield and swords solider at all let alone a armored one
The teeth can’t get through armor
I’d imagine a fully armored skilled knight can easily taken down a equal sized Raptor if they can kill crocks easily
@@JNAMOTORSPORTS I get that but the dragon im imagining is different If a dragon not even the full size of a T Rex 1v1'd a knight I would be very impressed if the knight won. In my head it's pretty cool, they can fly, they're huge, (probably not, but theres fire too) I know it isn't one but a Tyrannosaur would easily crush knight armor, so I think you would have to be really skilled with a sword and a badass to actually kill a dragon. The problem is probably that our vision of a dragon irl isn't the same, mines closer to fantasy even without fire breathing, but still, even those humans who killed Lions are probably way above average compared to todays standards.
I feel like they'd likely use spears.
@@maximusmarquez5660 Your imagination is based on fiction. In real life no such thing can exist. If you have studied a bit about animal species you will know why.
He did say they were delicate animals lol
"A Dragon is definitely scary but you know what's scarier? A Bear Jamie pull up the video of a bear fighting a dragon"
No it is the gorillaz!
Lmaooo
@@1bossofbosses😅
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 these jokes will NEVER EVER EVER GET OLD🙌🙌🙌🤣🤣🤣👑✊
Literally give a T. rex wings and it’s a dragon
Explains the nubby arms, they were the beggining of wings
Have you ever dressed out a bird/chicken? Their wings are deceiving. More feathers very little bone to the wing. I have a sign outside my run that says "enter the dragon". I call them dragons, dinosaurs all the time. Because, they are.
@@TheSADexpat no also the t Rex was thought to actually use those arms to hold down prey and those arms could lift like 400 pounds so yeah they were actually pretty useful also it had the strongest bite force ever so it didn't really need huge arms
@@dakotataylor223 sorry I already believed t Rex’s were dragons before I saw this post, rbey even have the body structure similar to birds, that no land animals that I know has… they are closer to chicken shaped then lion or bear shaped
@@TheSADexpat no shit they aren't gonna look like a fucking bear dude they were giant reptile birds creatures and yeah the closest thing a have to a trex right now is actually a chicken so yeah
“Yeah but a grizzly bear no joke man have you seen those?” *starts making bear noises*
You killed me bro 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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@@BROWN_PASTURES on point 🤣🤣🤣 but bears ...yo ...they would fuck things up🤣🤣🤣🤣
Chimps are fuckin dangerous man
HAHAH
Joe: "I actually met a dragon while doing LSD"
Facts 😂
Anybody that makes a statement like this has obviously never done acid or mushrooms. Alter your sense of reality yes. Make you see things that aren't there no, unless there's an underlying condition.
@@somethingnew4775 🤓
@@somethingnew4775 unless it's DMT. That will.
was his name Puff?😁
Imagine evolving into a giant flying lizard with possible projectiles, and you get knocked entirely out of the system by Lord Farquad
Holy shit this comment wins! 🎉
He forgot to mention man's need to collect trophies. Sure, hollow bones like birds would be hard to fossilize but hunters have been collecting trophies of their triumphs for millennia. If humans hunted dragon they would have at least kept the skull, claw, teeth, or horn. There would be heads mounted somewhere if they actually exist.
unless they used the body parts for rituals or potions medicines etc
My man bones completely break down into nothing after enough time
@@Spartacuz911 He is making the assumption that dragons were wiped out by knights in the video. Bone, scales, horn, and teeth could easily survive into the modern day if they were hunted by knights, especially with the likelihood that knights would take keepsakes after defeating a dragon.
I mean dragons if they existed would've existed 3000+ years ago idk how long it takes bones/teeth/claws to erode but that's a long time
Exactly my thought! Also there were a lot of these stories in medival times that are not that long ago. Not even a thousand years. Many cities in Europe are a lot older. That's not enough time to fossilize. If they would have been real, you would have found a trophy scull or similar in every second castle.
Somebody show these people a medieval manuscripts of knights fighting man-sized snails and rabbits, I want to see how they explain that
I think they’re point being that despite the fact that they had little to no contact, somehow they all came up with the exact same description of a dragon. It’s beyond frustrating that I even have to explain it. It’s not like I genuinely believe that dragons were flying around back then but the point was ridiculously obvious
@@johncanes5686
Except they do not have the same description of a dragon . They have not even agreed whether they have four or two legs or if they have any legs at all . Asian dragons don't even have wings . The only agreement is that a dragon is a reptile looking thing that can breathe fire
@@pp-wo1sd a large flying lizard that can spit fire is enough similarity to happen across different cultures and civilizations around the globe who had zero to none contact with each other. You have to admit that it's least curious. I also don't belive in the existence of dragons. But can't deny that it's amazing how these isolated societies had all their own version of large flying spiting fire lizard.
@@flsaurus "large flying lizard who breathes fire" that only fits to european dragons who are animalistic, plus fire breath comes from "Beowulf" story. chinese dragons are wise godlike creatures of water and are amalgamation of other creatures. Aztec dragon is just snake with feathers.
There are many other dragons and all of them are really different of that description
@@haasa2293 Fair enough. That's a very good point.
Theoretically it’s more believable that they found the bones of a dinosaur and tried to imagine what it looked like when it was Alive and who could have killed such a beast.
Exactly. Fossilized dinosaurs are also credited for the myths of giants and the cyclops.
This is the most logic explanation I have ever heard
@@rodneycampbell5687 tbh there was live giants back in the day before humans killed them.
@Yuno Yukki Giants from the perspective of the day. Today, they would be called basketball players.
@@rodneycampbell5687 basketball players aren't giants
There are also medievil murals of giant snails. Does that mean King Arthur feasted on escargantua?
Y E S
@@CasualPrince8 Forks?
Maybe
The interesting part is that so many cultures have similar images of dragons, just makes you wonder
it's because premodern cultures from China to Britain have depictions of dragons. Giant snails don't come anywhere close.
You find a dinosaur skeleton -> It looks like a dragon -> now its a dragon
All dinosaur fossils were actually called dragons until relatively recent
How would they know that they were reptilian🗿
The issue with this is that they are being depicted as living side by side with us, whereas the fossils we have found precede us by a "few" years.
So, no, dinos =/= dragons.
@@hisokamorow6709 if you put a giant T-Rex skull in your tavern and people start to ask how it died, surely you can imagine the stories won't be about natural causes. Some will even claim they themselves were the once who killed the beast. So then obviously the tales will state they lived among humans
@Hisoka Morow it might be the person that found the fossil make up the story that they kill the beast for fame?
Another theory I’ve heard is that it was dinosaur fossils and people of the time didn’t fully understand what they were looking at and assumed they were dragons
That makes a lot more sense
Exactly. What they call dragons were likely prehistoric birds and lizards, meaning large and probably not very nice.
This. It's the most logical conclusion you can draw from this. Dinosaurs were everywhere, all over the world. It makes sense that people would think "dragons" are everywhere
But in eastern hemisphere the dragons are very different often times they are huge and looks like a serpent with giant head scally skin. Also in eastern cultures dragons are depicted as celestial entities too that can shapeshift and perform magic or has magically abilities.
But fire breathing flying lizards? A story consistent across different parts of the world all had the same idea?
Isn’t it just easier to say that all these people found Dinosaurs fossils and they thought they created dragons?
That would be the logical thing
Yeah let's see dipshit. They fight a standing creature and go durr let's draw it with wings and scales durr. You're fucking stupid if you think they would just Make up something different
That’s really what happened, people are just dumber today then back then.
@@mr.pissedoff1903
You could be right, but to me it’s just makes more sense that found fossilized dinosaurs than fighting real dragons
That's literally what happen
Found dino fossils. Made stories about them.
Had experiences with venomous serpents, bigcats, etc, made stories about them.
As always, all those stories where over exagerated. All of those come together and mix into what we now know as a "Dragon", or more specifically, all of the "Draconic" creatures.
Considering ancient people used to take all non edible body parts of almost every animal they encountered (including other humans) as a trophy or lucky charm, I find hard to believe they decided not to do that with the giant terrifying sky lizards
Also most of these are lies and most likely depicted what was left of dinosaurs before they went extinct
@@Stim4 all dinosaurs went extinct millions of years before humans even arrived
Exactly, the idea that dragons coexisted with humans is pure fantasy. There were obviously flying lizards before humans existed, but those can hardly be called 'dragons'.
@@thecrazygamertarun5265 hardly, lots of paintings and wall art depicted people riding huge scaly animals
@Stim4 they also had wall art depicting half goat men. Doesnt mean they actually existed lol. I have a book that depicts spiderman. Does that mean he must also exist?
And they still exist.
I have two bearded dragons living with me
Based
Your mom and your sister?
They are such cute animals
You mean your mom and your sister?
I guess that's fair
The only reason we don’t have dragons is because we decided to call them dinosaurs instead
Exactly 😂 they quite litterally have proof for a flying reptile and its existence is generally accepted, but basically the same thing Just a few thousand years later is so far fetched and unrealistic
So there is evidence that dinosaurs/giant lizards existed beyond the Cretaceous/Tertiary line? That there were humans before that line?
I dont know much about that stuff, probably not, otherwise there would'nt be so much to discuss about I guess😁 I would say though that just because they havent found something yet doesnt mean it didnt exist, seems pretty likely to me that we dont know of or havent found every single thing/animal that has ever existed on this earth and we surely never will. However, I didnt mean to say that they must have existed Just because something similar existed millions of years before that. I Just meant to say that all these people claiming the common image of dragons is too unrealistic and unlikely to have ever actually existed in some way should think of all the unbelievable, weird creations that definitely already wandered on this earth 🙃
@@lianakimer4876 few hundred thousand years later
@@Thecrimsonking01 Man it was Just written in the Moment and "slightly" exaggerated, dont kill me😅🙏 Like I said, the time span and everything was Not my point
"Around the same period of time"
*2000 year difference has entered the chat*
Bah, what's a couple millennia when you're just making shit up?
On a large enough time scale, that's close enough.
@@Veela666 no its not, civilization hasnt been around that long
@@mogambo2445 yes it is. When you take the beginning of human civilization to the end of human civilization. 2000 year time difference is close enough.
@@Veela666 its not, human civilization is considered to have started 5000 years ago.
So 2000 years of that total of 5000 is pretty much half of it.
So its a damn long time.
"But it was all a giant scaly animal that could fly"
Quetzlcoatl: ....
The thing with Quetzalcoatl is that is feathered. The name translates to "The feathered serpent".
@@TonyValdezCeballoshe means quetzalcoatlus
"There's a group of people" is always the beginning of a sentence that introduces me to another sect of morons.
True, their group of peoples are just DnD nerds trying to manifest fantasy into reality.
@@ixinor Dragons were real, Lucifer (satan) turned into a dragon to fight archangels.
@@Azrael809 did the archangels tell you that
The delusion of some people is astounding, thinking we could eradicate dragons from existance but can't even hold our own against a tiger or gorilla.
People are f*cking stupid.
@@feargarden7845 Actually, in the old book - Yahweh was also a dragon. But it was later on changed, lol.
If flying, fire breathing dragons actually lived in the medieval period, humanity would be screwed. A knight with a sword would just be canned food.
Not all dragons are huge and look like how you just imagined them , obv there’s different sizes like in the pictures . But you don’t think humanity was able to come up with something to take them down ? They won’t just coward away in their homes for forever lol
There’s no animal that can beat man
@@charliefyb exactly
I would use large archery
Unless they got the size wrong. It’s a possibility that a lizard type animal had wings, maybe it couldn’t fly, and maybe it just had hot/warm breath that made people think it could breath fire.
Problem with the hollow bone theory is that we know for a fact that hollow bones DO fossilize. Theropod dinosaurs, particularly the Dromeosaurid family, have hollow bones.
Problem with your comment is that he didnt say it was impossible, just very unlikely
@@Heuhegeygeygeheu Even if it was unlikely, given enough time, some of those bones would have been preserved even if some of them had decayed. Barbatos point stands.
Well to fossilize very specific conditions have to be met. And there “Dragons” are most likely any reminetts of Large reptiles that may have been left over from the past the word dinosaur wasn’t invented till 1930 so any large lizard was called a Dragon. Dragon=Dinosuar
Yeah. Go back to 3rd grade English and maybe u can comprehend what was actually said. And if u look up the word dragon in a Websters dictionary from the 1800s next to the word it says now rare. Referencing that it was a real animal that walked the earth. Dragons were any large lizard like creature with wings or without. And if the winged ones did have hollow bones there would be very few fossils if any because many fossils were destroyed by people digging and carving stone not having a clue or caring what they were looking at.
@@rohansnyder4283 dragons= make believe dinosaurs animals that left behind literal mountains worth of evidence...
Or that’s how they comprehend and understood the dinosaur fossils they kept finding…
Thank you. "Captain, there is intelligent life here."
Human imagination meets giant lizard bones
Then why didn’t we find bones as well. If I was a ruler of country or a rich person I definitely want bones of a dragon in my castle.
@@kingcgs5889dude we find dino bones all around the world
Maybe
A) if people killed dragon they would've kept trophy
B) Dinosaurs bones have been found for millenia by the human race
C) Dragons really don't have wings in all cultures. Even in famous classics like saint-george, they seem vestigial rather than functional.
He is saying the bones would break down and not fossilize and he is saying flying lizards had porris bones like birds. There was still non-flying dinosaurs that didnt have thin bones because they didnt need to fly. This is all just theoretical of course since there is no concrete proof. Be cool if there were dragons and we could get its DNA for cloning lol.
No wings = not a dragon.
@@springerworks002 say that to Chinese dragons imaginary
@@springerworks002 I don't think having wings is required to be a dragon but it is one of the most common depictions like say a dragon that can breathe fire but no wings is still a dragon just a flightless one, also I believe Chinese dragons don't have wings and are more serpentine in design.
@@springerworks002Not true. The distinction between those different "animals" is not made in most old texts, but is often made today. When Sigurd/Siegfried comes to the hort of the Nibelungs, he finds the creature Fafnir there for example. Fafnir is mostly depicted as a Lindwurm (Dragon with no wings and no hind legs) but sometimes he does have wings, more legs or no legs at all. He nevertheless is called a "Drachentöter" (dragon-killer) in the texts. In the same text the creature is also called a "Wurm" (worm) which is a synonoyme for snake. Worm ia also used when talking about flying dragons or even for "Tatzelwürmer", a mixture between a cat and a dragon like snake.
Dragons are to a degree a representation of our fight with snakes as primates
We never came from monkeys.
Can you imagine sending a night to battle with a snake lmao
Where the fuck did you get that absolutely ridiculous information from
@CHUCK ZETO one of the vsauce channels. And it's not that ridiculous,we have alot of evolutionary adaptations that help us fend off against snakes,for example our eyes.
Irony, since the beginning.
So there’s a theory out there that the first ever “recorded dragons” were actually a group of Scandinavian Vikings that came across dinosaur bones and told stories of fire breathing dragons. Similar tails are also told by other people from across the world that happen to see dinosaur bones, but mistaken them for dragons.
That's cool, I never knew that! This is also supposed to be the route of the Greek Pantheon - giant femurs and other bones which the people of the time put down to the existence of god-like giants. Also, the cyclops was based on a mammoth skull - without the trunk they have a huge hole in the front like a single eye hole. Love this sort of stuff!
Ok so Vikings went to Japan and told them to draw dragons. . Everyone knows that the dragons are the seed of the great serpent.... "nephilim" giants dragons demons all the offspring of fallen angels
now there's a reasonable man.
Very much likely
@@johncrowley3322 Bruh Vikings literally went all down to North America and some parts of Mesoamerica. Also, depictions of dragons are COMPLETELY different from one place to another. The most probable thing is that they found some old bones from any dinosaur. Also, I'm not sure there's dragons in Japanese mythology.
If dragons lived in the middle ages, the bones would still be preserved since they hadn't the time to fossilize or decompose
Why would you think bones would exist 500 years later? They break down relatively fast. You're correct in Most cases that they wouldn't have time to fossilize, but Certainly could break down. We use bone meal in gardening, & thats solid bone that breaks down in months.
@@bobmcfierson2163 You're right, I was talking about those who didn't decompose.
You can’t kill an ostrich with a .38 from 6 ft away because they have 2” thick breast plates, but somehow Mattias killed a fucking dragon with a pointy spear and metal armor that would have worked as an oven, limiting his mobility? Ok, dude. Fucking sure.
stay mad lol
@@akiko2096 who is mad?
The power of Christ is greater than a .38
This guy gives off slimy vibes
@@randyquaid9087 the dude in the video?
We literally know that there were Dinosaurs that were capable of flight. That’s damn near a dragon to me.
Flying reptiles are still not Dinos, they’re their own genus, Same as how marine reptiles are also a whole different lineage setting them apart from land dwelling sauropods to the flight-capable pterodactyls.
@@saucybender1866 no, flying dinosaurs like Microraptor existed
@@clementinebriar1898 they are saying dinosaurs are not reptiles. They were warm blooded, for example
So men and dinosaurs existed at the same time?
@@helgar791 we have chickens now bro
I actually met Denmark's one and only professional "Kryptozoolog", and he told me why dragons were so fascinating to him.
Not only did dragons appear in multiple cultures, but there was pretty much only one "iteration", so to speak, of dragons in their respective cultures. Basically every cryptid animal has passed through multiple iterations of depictions before they ended as the final depiction we now know them by.
Dragons, however, pretty much only had one depiction. As if every culture got it in one take. He can't say why that is, but it got him pretty stoked.
It is fascinating indeed. 😉
@@missdragoness6132 You literally just repeated the video.
@@TheJimys7 if you watched the video and read his comment you’d know he added a factoid in there
knowing how stagnant creativity has gotten, dragons could def be real
Jesus Christ get this man a Nobel prize. he fucking solved it. dragons must've existed because we have no evidence for them. genius.
Spitting nothing but facts this got me weak😂😂😂
Lmao
we have no physical evidence but copious cultural evidence. this reconciles the two. what’s the alternative? worldwide hallucinations of the same creature despite being continents apart with no communication?
@@ttt5020 The answer is actually still birds lol.
This comment section makes me lose all confidence in humanity. Bro said it fossilizes badly like bird bones and everyones confirmation bias kicks in without looking at the evidence. A) bird bones don't fossilize well, but there are still bird fossils so still my question is where are the dragon fossils b) you're trying to tell me that there was several species of flying lizards breathing fire and they were all hunted to extinction by knights? So how are knights on a horse gonna HUNT something that could in all reality just fly away easily? An arrow ain't gonna one shot a dragon And also if it was so common place for knights to hunt dragons. Why is there literally no written evidence of it? There were knights that wrote a diary. None of those are talking about casually killing what would be the insanest Apex predator nature had ever seen. C) did they only evolve into being dragons in the mid ages for knights to kill them? Other Apex predators have been around millions of years longer than humans even exist. Why was there never a dragon fossil found when we have plenty of bird fossils even though "they don't fossilize". I love watching Joe for entertainment but you guys gotta remember that's what it is. Entertainment. Don't think dragons existed. Turn on your head and think for yourselves. And really reflect on what confirmation bias is and how you can see it in yourself and keep yourself from falling victim to your own instincts...
Imagine being that much of a badass knight you fight a dinosaur with a sword.
We've found thousands of bird fossils.
The fact that all the cases of flying creatures all present in the same region, is most accurately explained as folklore stories.
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By same region do you mean all over the world?
explain asian culture dragons
Imagine being a knight slaying a dragon IN REAL LIFE
And historians rather writing about a solar eclipse in the same year than your feat of bravery.
Keeping up with the bird theme, imagine they are like magpies and gather shiny stuff for their nest. Now you also have loot.
Then a bear comes over 😂
Ihad a pet Platinum Dragon once...well, my chracter did in Dungeons and Dragons.
Imagine if that happened but then the great Greta saw you slay that dragon IN REAL LIFE 😂.... OOOOOUUU THE SMOKE YOU'D GET
Their bones were pure elixir stuff. No one will let it rot.
Even if they were real. Most likely, we would have had fissile records of their evolutionary path up to the middle ages or the games of when people fought them. Things is, we don't. If people say dinosaurs. Tell me this, why would we start fighting them 65ish million years when we did not even split off from other primates. And mammals were pretty much in their early stages of their split from synapsids?
Maybe that’s how they built the pyramids….
No I believe they existed, pterodactyls
dragon bones and scales are legendary for their medicinal and magical properties and everybody would have wanted a piece
brings to mind powdered rhino horn and the fact that none would ever stick around to be preserved if poachers had their way
not as pure as the stuff you guys are on
@@akiraic 💀🤣🤣🤣
While the idea of dragons is a very culturally diverse one, an even simpler reason as to why almost all cultures had some variant of a dragon/Wyrm is simply that cultures often incorporate ideas from each other. This can be seen most clearly with the cultural history of nations (Greece, Rome, Egypt) along important trade routes and the Mediterranean Sea. Having those very important interactions they’re cultures eventually became more similar than compared to other cultures with limited interactions to the nations. By means similar to cultural evolution, ideas on creatures such as dragons (would have not only been very popular for bards) would have propagated heavily from person to person. While being distorted from (essentially) a game of telephone resulted in may variations of creatures of various qualities. Reasons such as listed would possibly have been the reason for mythological creatures such as Gaasyendietha (of Seneca belief) or Quetzalcoatl (of Aztec belief), which the former may have resulted by contact with Viking groups that visited North America within similar regions to Seneca regions over 1000 years ago. Gaasyendietha very much resembles a Wyrm or dragon In many ways by being depicted as spewing and leaving fire all around itself, not exact proof it’s a dragon but still a possible link towards some sort of cultural effect. As for Quetzalcoatl, while not exactly a dragon (being a serpent deity), due to existing similarities between the two (namely being serpentine in nature) there is a possibility of a correlation. Overall tho there may truly be many different reasons as to the widespread idea of dragons. (Note* sorry for the possible incoherence I don’t care to proof read this is UA-cam and I’m just passing along ideas)(edit 1 Note2* as you can tell by the length I hope it’s coherent, it’s probably not)
Wow what a wall of text.
Simple theory that is probably correct instead of trying some crazy all cultures borrow from each other is.
Dinosaur bones are found everywhere and when men find them they use their imaginations to create a mythos about them.
Pretty simple.
@@MainerdLoyd well and there can be many explanations, Occam’s razor ig. But t’was just a thought. Thought you’re probably right, that it being the simplest explanation.
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genetic fear of snakes leads to badass snake drawings
Hardly any dragons from real stories could fly or breath fire.
Or be scaely, they were mostly fethered
I imagine dragons to have skeletons made of cartridge. That would allow them to be light enough to fly, and would not leave a fossil or skeleton.
Doubt it's possible for a land living animal to have cartilaginous skeletons
Honeycomb shakes hollow bones and second stomach they used as a flight bladder. When they are or made a helium like gas they used to help stay aloft, they also used this bladder for fire breathing aka giant burb go boom boom.
I think it's more likely they were made out of pixie dust
@@mistah-j6694 They did? Can I see proof?
He's right and wrong at the same time. yes there were "dragons" although more than likely these were just dinosaurs but at that time, the word dinosaur didn't exist so they called them dragons or other names.
In the middle ages there were actually jobs feeding captive "dragons" and they had listed what was feed to them and how much.
Dinosaurs like sauropods and some theropods (gigantic dinosaurs) actually have very light bones especially for the neck area being up to 80% air near the head, they fossilized just fine. Also other soft bodied animals have fossilized with soft tissues intact even, such as worms, birds have fossilized and they have delicate bones as well.
He also does not have a grasp on how something becomes a fossil. The only way a fossil can be created is by a very fast cataclysmic flood event involving a torrent of mud, sand and/or ash quickly covering the animal and becoming buried fast! Indeed much of the fossil record shows this, with fossils of animals giving birth, eating another animal, ect. most dinosaurs are in the drowning death pose where the head and neck arches backwards to such an extreme degree that in some cases the nose will be nearly touching the rectum area! Talk about your rectal / cranial inversion lol! knights killing a "dragon" or dinosaur will NOT create a fossil, it will just deteriorate over a short time.
Think about it though, how would a dinosaur look to someone in the middle ages or earlier? Plus to possibly help solve the "fire breathing dragons" depictions and myths, this may have been partly true! People killed them because they were eating their hurds and flocks! Ranchers kill predators today that threaten their animals.
a published paper in the scientific journal “The Anatomical Record” a team of American researchers have demonstrated that the skulls of several different types of dinosaurs were sophisticated structures and that they possessed very complex olfactory areas and nasal passages as well as a number of air cavities. They suggest these may have been to increase the sense of smell or maybe resonance chambers for distinctive calls, but are ultimately still unsure and trying to figure it out.
Think about this, the bombardier beetle can mix hydroquinone (a skin irritant and is used in skin lightening products) and hydrogen peroxide together creating a chemical reaction that heats up to 212 degrees and will feel like fire as a defense mechanism! Could it be possible that some of these dinosaurs had a similar ability for defense and that it was mistaken for "fire breathing" dragons?
In the 1977 fishermen off of the coast of New Zealand pulled out a dead carcass of an animal that was about 33 ft long and about 4000 pounds some scientists said it might be a plesiosaur others said it may be just a terribly rotted basking shark. Personally it could go either way. I do not dismiss the fact that other living fossils and mythical creatures have been found alive such as Coelacanths and giant squid. There are recent tales of rainforest tribes that have described something they've seen that resembles the description of a dinosaur and carvings on ancient temples, ruins and ancient cave art around the world show very similar looks to known dinosaurs as well. Lastly some sites have human and dinosaur footprints in the same strata placement and even on top of each other even.
There just seems a bit much going on to just dismiss the idea that people and dinosaurs interacted it seems.
It’s an interesting theory but there is a simpler one, it’s just medieval people trying to explain what dinosaur bones are.
Dude finds ancient Dino skull, imagines what it looked like with skin, made up dragons for stories. Or, dude finds big lizards, plays it up to impress friends with tales of bravery, and it spreads from there. Both are more likely to happen than an actual flying, fire breathing lizard existing.
... which is genetically impossible, anyway.
Thanks for being a rational mind.
@@MyReligionIs2DoGood Its not genetically impossible, it just hasn’t happened because fire breath is impractical for flight based entities. Whats a dragon gonna do to a bear in the woods, carpet bomb him?? Would be far easier to just grab the fucker and fly off
Besides that, only a few of the dragon myths feature fire breathing
@@MyReligionIs2DoGood not really genetically impossible, look up bombardier beetles.
Just improbable, useless, self-harmful, and energy inefficient at dragon scale.
Hot oil was used as a weapon by people though, and flamethrowers.
So long as it's chemical-based, not magic, I can see it.
They weren't depicted as fire breathing.
What about pterodactyl tho ? They were flying lizards.
This theory can be easily debunked. Let me explain - If a knight or whoever killed a dragon, they would keep some sort of throphy from such a feat. They would likely gift such throphy to their kings, or "trade" it with the king to get a reward, yet theres nothng left of those dragons
Bravo 👏 somebody gets it
Have you ever heard of decomposition? Most of a body is gone within a year from it unless mummified, try keeping organic material around for thousands of years without modern preservation methods, it's not going to happen. Hell a car will rust if left sitting for 60 years and wouldn't be there at all in time. I'm not saying dragons are real but whenever most of the metallic objects from that time are barely there what makes you think a unfossilized or unmummified body would.
@@jaythus3181 im not talking abaut flesh lol. Trophies can wary from skulls, teeth or fangs, even eggs. I can agree that some of those would deteriorate, but there are things from medieval times or even before, that have survived to our times.
Gonna play devil’s advocate here, but just imagine the wealth of treasure some of these long standing empires have that we don’t even know about(UK, China, Vatican City, etc). There could be literally anything in those vaults and us common folk will never see it. I see your point though, if dragons did exist, I’m sure there’d be a scale, tooth, or bone that’s been preserved in a museum
there probably in the Vatican or lost to time or catastrophes?
Also about the fire-breathing, it might've been their venom so strong that it literally burns
Or people wanted a cooler story
Komodo dragon spit stops your blood from coagulating, and makes you bleed out. They also have tooooonnnnnnns of bacteria so it poisons you.
I like that idea I'd like to imagine the stories of those real life knights who fought them
that and certain species of beetles are capable of ejecting fiery substances. And many reptiles are capable of spitting acidic toxins.
I always thought they could've been large pterodactyl that spit some type of venom. Even the bible in the book of job talks about them
The reason there's no "fossil" record is because we ate them.
Those knights are legends.. I would’ve definitely ran
my boi they aren’t real
Only probably few known this but even ancient turkish mythology have a monster named "Abra" that a snake or something looks like a dragon.
Quetzalcoatl. The feathered serpent. Mexico
Turkey, and surrounding areas are full of many dragon stories, with most dragons coming out of lake van or black sea.
Makes.sense
Every "T-Rex" that has been discovered is actually a dragon.
Real life, turns into stories, that eventually becomes legend's
When I get my time machine up and running I'm going on a Skyrim quest
Bird bones actually aren't hollow to be lighter, but to extend their lung capacity.
The more you know
I imagine it accomplishes both
Well it accomplishes both.
@@talhamalik1190 @jackb3822 @dontknow3949, nope, it doesn't, bird bones are denser than mammal bones and therefore their skeleton weighs the same as similar sized mammals, the hollowness is purely for a higher oxygen capacity.
He should write romance novels
A dragon skull would be mounted in any fella that slayed one's man cave if they had ever existed
Okay the only problem with that theory that I say is the fact that we do have pterosaur bones and they were flying lizards as well and they are much older than dragons are depicted to be as so proof of them would be much more likely to preserve especially if they are around in the time of the knights the more likely hypothesis scientists have agreed upon is that ancient humans found bones of different species of animals and then depicted them as being part of these dragons because some of the earliest stories of dragons are dragons that don't have wings and like you said there are many different kinds throughout mythology which means different kinds of Bones were found just the same thing as the Cyclops the Cyclops was depicted from a mammoth skull cuz if you've ever seen the skull of a mammoth there's no way you can say that does not look like a cyclops especially if the only thing you find is the head
The stories are of knights killing dragons,not digging up bones. And term , dinosaur is a new one.
@@jeanninerossouw5921 people make stuff up. I can certainly imagine some farmer digging for some reason and coming across a theropod skull. And as anyone would do that farmer would go and tell everyone he killed the former owner of said skull and people would definitely believe that lol.
Given that the largest known “bird” was as tall as a giraffe and could easily soar from continent to continent without flapping, I don’t think dragons were too far fetched.
what bird?
@@user-ej5zq4nj3w Quetzalcoatlus, its a pterosaur, which means that technically it’s not a bird. Pretty much they were flying reptiles.
Does that explanation work for Sasquatch? Damn near every culture has one also.
I think these ancient bastards were finding dinosaur bones and thinking they were dragons.
Ok so let me explain this as a 14 year old group of people makes a story-that group of people split-group of people tells their child a story- those children split- they tell the story- it splits and spreads out and TADA A MYTH
For anyone wondering, the background song is “little dark age” by MGMT slowed down.
nobody gives a shiii
I've always believed dragon's were at some point real because they had to be alive at some point for the legends to start because theres a layer of truth behind every legend
According to Marco polo, there were dragons still in 12th century China. They were hunted down for their meat (apparently they were delicious) and the Chinese medicine market where all parts of the animal were used. They were exclusively nocturnal.
So that would explain the lack of Dragon bones in China.
European dragons were hunted down and killed long before that time. Although in Greece there is a Venetian letter that claims there was a Dragon that lived on a mountain on the island of Kefalonia in the 14th century that was terrorising the locals and was a man eater. It was hunted down and killed by 2 brothers who later died of their injuries.
The dragon was then burned to a crisp and all of its remains were disposed of by the locals.
exactly what happened to vampires, " hail blade "
The dictionary definition of dragon before the 1800s when the word dinosaur was invented was "a large lizard now rare"
Flying serpents are mentioned in Herodotus’s the Histories, so honestly I believe it could be likely
you do realize birds eat snakes, right? if seen at a long distance, a bird carrying a dead snake, will look like a snake with wings.
there are also drugs, you know, the same reason behind the witches?
but sure, lets imagine an animal that evolved to slither on the floor, somehow has a cousing that is the same, but has wings...
Herodotus is far from reliable
then you silly person
So just fuck science and logic and believe in anything
chinese whispers.
I was taught that people saw dinosaur bones in the desert and deduced them to be dragons
As a dragon, I can confirm we weren't real.👍🏻
There are records of Roman legions encountering and battling dragons in North Africa during the Punic wars.
Source?
@@gabrielbalta2634 Marcus Atilius Regulus
We have plenty of evidence of the Roman legions but not a shred of evidence of dragons. Don't believe a thing you hear from Joe or his pseudo science idiot mates.
Nile crocodiles
Didn't Alexander meet hairy, tree climbing people in India, aka monkeys in modern parlance?
There's an anthropologist, David Jones who studied howler monkeys, I forget the name of the book, but what he found was that the monkeys had very specific safety reactions and actions for snakes, raptors and large carnivorans. So he believes that dragons are a composite creature, a natural indexing mechanism the primate brain develop to always send a warning.
They would also look different depending on their environment so a mountain dragon would need to be large and winged. But the Chinese dragon is long and thin which would suit bamboo forest much better
Bamboo forest covers like only 5% of China though
China is very mountainous tho?
This is an example of someone who doesn't know geography. Doesn't know mass and proportions. Doesn't know the ancient stories of dragons (which arent their real names btw) from China. Doesn't know the history of what that dragon actually represents. Doesnt know why he exists. Doesn't know why hes dumb.
If you ignore the fancy stuff like being massive and breathing fire, there is no reason why they could not have been real. I mean "flying dinosaurs" are basically dragons. Big prehistoric birds are dragons.
There are 3 types of Dragon types I know about:
1) *Wyverns*
Their wings are on their front legs, or more like, their wings and front legs are one in the same, some could even say that they only have two legs and a pair of wings, also they're smaller in size. They resemble Dragons as they are in fact a sub-class/subspecies of Dragons
2) *Wyrms*
Short explanation is that it's what a Chinese or Eastern Dragon is called, long explanation is a Creature without wings and in some cases without limbs, they have a serpentine body and are considered the most ancient type of Dragon species, but a Chinese Dragon is an example of a Wyrm. We can all talk about this, but we don't know if they ever existed unlike the common Dragon.
3) *Dragons*
Dragons are a species that encompasses many subspecies, but the most common appearance of a Dragon is that of a giant Lizard with 4 Legs and a pair of Wings, in Mythology and Fairy Tales they are known to have the Ability to breath Fire or some kind of element and have tough scales, I do believe that Dragons existed at some point, but I don't think they used to breath Fire, I do believe they had tough scales as lizard-like reptiles today have scales that are decently tough.
As someone with a dragon hyperfixation the Chinese Dragon actually is classified as a Lung Dragon or Long Dragon because it doesn't fit the classification of Wyrm which is a flightless and limbless dragon
The interesting part too is that weather you believe in the Christian Bible or not. It does also mention dragons in their own way and it does say something about breathing fire as a symbol of how fearful God is when he's mad. Interesting to take note since the bible is starting to gather up lots of evidence to real life history. They already found many real like objects that show proof that it's reliable
As a human, as a masculine man I can say without doubt if I killed a T-Rex or a dragon I’d keep the skull and pass it down so the “their bones didn’t fossilize” shit doesn’t work for me
Bro I’m gonna assume your a child so I’m not gonna complicate this but if you have a bone and just keep it it won’t magically turn it a fossil
There are quite a few requirements for the formation of a fossil
Had to emphasize on the "as a human, masculine man" 💀 like suuuure okay human man
You couldn’t even hurt a fly mate.
Masculine man? I can hear your high pitched screams whenever you see a little cockroach mate.
Just looked it up and crocodiles have porous bones as well. I think the bones aren't here any more because it was highly sought after vy alchemists. It's long been ground up and put into potions and salves.
All of em?! Hahah
That is such a stupid explanation, alchemy is fake, and not every ounce of a ‘dragon’ would be thrown in one. Plus, they never existed. Dinosaur bones are the only reason they think dragons existed.
Bruh, if people actually believe this shit I wonder how we can filter out the idiots.
@@mr.pissedoff1903 alchemy was prescience. People would engage in experiments to try and create gold or restore youth. It was mostly shit but that doesn't mean they didn't practice it.
@@basedxrp You’re completely right, I wrote this comment when I was pissed off, big surprise. My bad for being an ass. I can’t recall the source, but I read something that stated bones akin to a pterodactyl, and the people considered it a dragon. I do believe people would use fossilized creatures for alchemy.
If Dragons are that big, there stomach acid could preserve the inner bones
I have a specific memory from when I was a kid whereas I thought I saw a dragon.
Looking back at it today, i still don’t know what it was.
Was on a plane heading for Asia.
Looked out the window and far away I saw a “squiggly line” flying and moving towards the opposite direction of my plane.
Don’t know what it was but my 6 year old mind automatically assumed it was a Dragon lol.
"Jamie, pull up that video of that chimpanzee riding a dragon while attacking a bear" - Joe, probably
I can see how stupid you are copy paste other’s comment 😂😂
It's also possible that dragons were just trending as the most popular monsters in fiction at the time. Economic trade allowed us to share goods and stories from halfway across the world. Like genre trends in the film industry today, it is plausible that storytellers were simply adapting a monster story they found interesting from one corner of the world and applying it to their own.
I thought this as well. It's a possibility
Komodo Island is full of dragons today. I hear the sand on the beach there is pink.
The simpler explanation is that Dinosaurs where all around the globe and when they found these bones people would bullshit that they killed this "dragon"
That’s not simple at all
@@toxico1152 It is, Dinosaurs where all around the earth and there bones where just scattered. Some guy stumbles upon it and bullshits back at the pub about how he got this big bone
@@jabs_labs6828 Playing Devil's advocate here, explain how they all came to depict these creatures as relatively 'identical' and have, across vast cultures, named said creatures in common?
@@Bobby-jc5uy simply from word of mouth. And once the idea of a dragon was established throughout various cultures it was the go to lie
@@Bobby-jc5uy They're not identical
Birds have a hard time fossilising, *shows fossilised bird*
And.. No one decides to keep a memento? Tin foil hat.
That group of people are called "nut jobs"
I love how youre so confident of something that happened thousands of years ago. Thats how you keep an open mind. Smh. Even if they didnt exist calling people who question it nut jobs makes you the idiot imo.
@@TheLastApostle Dragons aren't real. Don't be a nut job. Game of thrones is cool but it's just a tv show.
also just stop. you have no idea that it happened. much less when. we can tell that dragons aren't real. hellooooooo, we have methods????? what era are you from?
The most important thing is that I believe in myself.
We have creatures with bird-like bones from millions of years ago, fossilised, so it’s more than likely we would find a couple thousand year old bones of a dragon, especially if they were so big.
Comment made by dinosaur gang.
Who says we haven't?
@@FlurryJoe Yeah, theres still tombs that the public isnt allowed to go inside of, and theres still bones we havnt discovered. We also have no idea how the anatomy of a dragon would work given that they seem to be able to breathe fire, so whatever mechanism they used for that could definitely interfere with their rate of decay. Maybe a dead dragon bursts into flames and incinerates itself into ash? We're talking about creatures that basically have explosives inside of themselves.
Just because we never found physical evidence of it doesn't mean it doesnt exist. We don't have any physical evidence of a star either, or a black hole, or gravity. just because we dont have physical evidence doesnt mean they dont exist. We use word of mouth to pass around information and use that information to come to a conclusion. Stars must exist because heat comes from somewhere. Black holes must exist because matter seems to bend around these spots in a galaxy. Dragons could exist because they are depicted around the world by different cultures and we know Dinosaurs existed so a Dragon isnt all that hard to believed. Its basically just a big pterodactyl.
Even if a Dragon didnt really breathe fire, take a Pterodactyl, make it bigger, boom its a Dragon. And if you think thats silly look at how big a whale is, now go look up the megalodon. there are sea creatures of immense size that dwarf anything else in nature, so a dinosaur being the size of a whale or a megalodon is literally possible.
But, my original point. Is that of a conspiracy theorist. See, our governments have admitted they'll lie to us about things because they think we'd go crazy if we knew the truth about things. When your government actively admits to lying to you "for your own protection" and restricts certain areas that contain ancient history and prevents the public from going in and seeing it, and then when historical and scientific institutions get bought out and forced to repeat the same exact lines when asked questions, its pretty clear we cannot assume we know 100% of everything all the time.
If scientists, historians, and governments around the world are all willing to admit they lie to the general public about historical fact, then its pretty clear "not having evidence of XYZ" is a bullshit argument. Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence, especially when the people telling you theres no evidence also mock you, call you crazy, and do everything in their power to prevent you from trying to actually find out the truth.
“Kevin bring up that video of a dragon fighting a grizzly”
Worst comment here
Nah, found dino bones found around the world inspired the idea of Dragons to the local peoples.
Love how you disprove a myth with a correlation
And carried bags of flammable liquids? NO!
When he said 'a group of people believed', I instantly knew it has to be Rogan and his fellow weeders.
I could listen to him speak and reteach me the things I wasn't taught in school
This makes no sense.
Common sense can't be taught in school mate. Get a refund!
People were just finding dinosaur fossils and made up stories about dragons.
I prefer Jordan Peterson's idea that the dragon is a combination of everything that haunted our ancestors.
Big cat + bird + fire + snake.
And that within the human memory, all of these predators, cross culturally, became United into a single symbol - the dragon.
“There’s a group of people that say…”
😂. You can literally say anything after that sentence
Flying Lizards do exist even now, just smaller. Even tho they just glide rather than flying. This shows it is a possibility. Just like there are birds that only glide and that can fly.
@Jordan Southern I think the fire breathing part just a stretch. After all, We humans are kings of embellishments 🤣
Most people don’t know this but there was these cool thing mag called Pterodactyls that could fly and we have fossils of them.
it's more logical that they dug up dinosaur bones and the relation in anatomy to birds is what made them think of them as flying. And then they told stories about heroes because we always tell stories about heroes.
If elden ring vs videos have taught me anything, it’s that if you have enough knights, you can successfully jump giant boss monsters. 😂
“Jamie, pull up that video of the dragon fighting that grizzly bear.”
“Knights killed all the dragons” buddy I think it’s time you pass the 5th grade reading level lmao
While most depictions could exaggerated, think of a lizard that spits poison (those exist now), think about eels (they generate electricity), now think about a pterodactyl that spits something like napalm or something that burns in contact with oxigen, but they are adapted to it like our stomach to our own gastrid acid.
They probably saw those dragon lizard things and were like, "Oh shit, you know it would make me look badass if you painted me fighting a giant one of those"