Most of the Egyptian planes were lost on the ground during the various surprise attacks conducted by Israel. Simply saying that Egypt lost 452 planes makes it sound like the were lost in dogfights, which is not correct. It's like saying that the US lost 188 planes against the Japanese who lost 29 at Pearl Harbour.
@@showtime112 This is quite true!! I dont actually subscribe to many channels, but yours is definitely worth it! We need more quality, historical combat channels, like yourself.
Well, it's unclear if the Mirages were aware of the MiGs or they just accidentally dived at that moment. I think they were aware and concluded that those crappy missiles couldn't possibly hit them at such low altitude.
Watching these in Dogfights, my little brother came up with his own codenames for Russian fighters. He called the MiG-17 the 'fingernail' after a pilot's description of its round wingtips. The MiG-19 was the 'shotgun' due to its twin engines. The MiG-21 was the 'dart', for obvious reasons.
@@showtime112 !!! Hence your 'callsign'! Cool! Keep up the good work, especially the stuff about the Indo-Pakistani wars: I've heard next to nothing them!
@@benlaskowski357 It's quite amazing how much was happening in those Indo-pak conflicts that' is generally unknown in the West. And in that interesting period where technology wasn't the most important thing yet.
I love these high quality videos, they are superbly done! Why did the Mirage dive low? It leaves you with nowhere to go and certainly no altitude to eject?
Thanks for the comment! Actually, the maneuver made sense. The air base the Mirages were attacking was the most distant one so they were probably low on fuel and couldn't afford a dogfight. The old Soviet missiles were not great and flying low near the desert floor was very likely to defeat the missile's seeker. But unfortunately for the Israeli pilot, the missile worked despite the odds. Just bad luck I guess.
This Mig-21 was being flown by Mr. Abdul Sattar Alvi, a Pakistani fighter pilot. He was serving there at that time. He was very talented young fighter pilot.
In combat, pilots often don't engage in a dogfight when in a disadvantageous position but disengage from combat instead. In this case, several factors contribute to that choice. Mirages were attacking Cairo West, which is the most distant airfield attacked so they were probably low on fuel. Also, missiles carried by MiGs were not very reliable, diving to low altitude should have been quite safe. But this time, the missile worked.
@@showtime112 Good to know info, definitely the Mirages were at a disadvantage, the tide of combat can change in a instant, with the right factors and in this case the factors weren't there. Good points
Thanks! You know, you are right 😁 The target audience are aviation enthusiasts who are interested primarily in aircraft. The political stuff is just to give some basic context. Many people think it is about who is good and who is evil. I block the most idiotic comments and I know that even the stupidest ones are good for YT algorithm, but I'd still rather not see them.
And there's no way for that Mirage III to outrun the MiG-21! Best chance it might have had was getting into the dirt, but having a shiny silvery colored skin in a desert environment doesn't help. Nice video!
Actually, Mirages came low not so much to avoid visual detection but to blend with the hot desert floor. Atoll missiles generally had trouble hitting low level targets because they couldn't distinguish their heat well from the ground. But this one could.
6:22 - they gave Egyptians some breeding space : )) True! Egypt population in 1967 was 32 million; now they are 104 million. A lot of breeding space! :)
@@elvedinavdic5251 Taj dio s liderom je malo sporan. U osnovi, Šukri je imao dosta sreće s raketom koja u ovakvim situacijama češće nije funkcionirala nego što jest.
The Iraq air force had no chance against Israel air force but one brave solider kicked the Israel air force. The brave soilder and his squadron of Iraq air force took part in the battle with the old Hacker Hunter plane against the dangerous Mirage of Israel air force. That brave soilder took 4 mirage all alone and saved the poor Iraq air force back In those days. The brave soilder was A Bangladeshi pilot "Shaiful Azam" he also fought against the strong Israel air force for Arab an kicked them in the skies (with some old planes) We are proud of him Joy Bangla!!!!
You know, the Hunter mod is being developed for DCS. Maybe I will be able to reenact some of Iraqi Air Force activities with it in the future! Thank you for your comment!
Shaiful azam sir 💗💗 we are proud of him. How fought against Israeli on day war shot down 4 jet and also fought India war Pakistan war shot a jet, Destroyed many ground target
I wouldnt call the Hubter ab old hacker, it was subsonic but was very maneuverable aircraft. Both Jordan and Iraq had over 100 each. Yes i know about thus Bangledeshi pilot. Yhey build him a statue in Baghdad!!!
This Trailer looks outstanding wanna see the complete movie. No serious another great historical content by Showtime you can't beat this guy if it comes to create great DCS movies paired with historical content simply outstanding. The History Channel should employ you. If i may ask? I see the Sexy Metal Beauty is not carrying any Shafrir-1s Heat-seeking Missles is this done on purpose or was it that way historically wise? I know at the time of the Six Days War, IDF/AF fighters used either the Matra 530 or the Shafrir I. Both were crap, and neither is credited with any more than a handful of kills during their entire service with the IDF/AF. It wasn't until the introduction of AIM-9s and Shafrir II during subsequent years that any significant amount of missile kills were achieved. And wasn't there no alarm sounding in the Mirage if one is being Locked On ? At the beginning of that mission, there were no four aerial combat kill roundels painted under the canopy windscreen, at the end suddenly there were. Was this because of the MIG-21 ground kills before? I'll prefer the Mirage IIIC anytime over the MIG-21. Why did Mirages do so well? For a number of reasons. Better training and piloting skills is one. Another was that although the Mirage was inferior in many respects to the major Arab fighter at the time, the MiG-21, it had its advantages, which IDF/AF pilots put to good use.Then in August 1966, an Iraqi defector landed a MiG-21 at an Israeli airbase. Thanks to the Iraqi defector Israeli pilots already knew a great deal about the MiG when they encountered it during the war.
Oh, thank you once again for so much praise! As for History Channel, I think they mostly do reality shows these days so they would hardly hire me 😂 As for the missiles, it seems like those Mirages didn't carry them on the mission. Osprey's Six Day War Campaign specifies payload carried by Israeli aircraft for the air base attacks and there's no mention of Shafrirs. Also, in the Mirage III vs MiG-22 Duel book, there's an artistic illustration of this combat and the Mirage is depicted in clean condition. Regarding the kill markings on the Mirages, they are not correct. Three different skins are available with different numbers and kill roundels. They are not easy to change and it would be quite hard to track which airframe had a certain number of kills at which date. You are right about Mirage's better historical results. A combination of better strategy, training, intelligence and other details were ctucial.
I wonder, why during those Israeli-Arab conflicts the Arabs had so few successful sorties?.. The Soviet planes were definitely not that bad, especially MiG-21.
@ IncoreFirearms Well I read the book "six days of war" from Jeremy Bowen, and I remember he said that it was a cultural thing, the Egyptians trained very little, almost only for parades, the high officials of the armed forces or the high command were people that got there by contacts, not by knowledge, competence or capacity, (like in latin america so sad :( ) while the Israelis on the other hand, trained a lot, they believed they will eventually fight for their contry very existance, and the high command were very profesional and very competent and capable people... All story short, Israelis were very ready, In Israeli collective mind they were so afraid they thought they would loose, so they underestimated their capabilities, they were so stressed that they really worked on their problem... the results speak from themselves, Sun Tsu says that an enemy is more dangerous if he feels trapped, because the enemy will flight harder, very aggresive to the last breath because of the r Fear of death, I guess this really happened in the six days war, and I recommend you and everyone that read this that book, if you think an action movie is good... This is better!! You could even tell of how "radio el Cairo" disguised it's own people by telling them they were winnig the war (lies of course, like Mexican or Venezuelan ones), so sure those lies were said, that a few on the Israeli high command were confused, and a few days later, the the ugly truth for the Egyptians and the good facts for the sons of Israel...
There are several factors. Inadequate training, surprise in the 1967 war, obviously. Tom Cooper wrote some interesting articles at The Aviation Geek Club, even suggesting that one of the main reasons were inferior missiles and guns on Soviet aircraft.
That's true. But If I could choose, it wouldn't be very high on my priority list. We could use other types more. For example F-4, Mirage III, MiG-17, Super Mystere....
You some how forgot to mention that lieutenant Yair Noi-Man (RIP) managed to jump his burning Mirage and to parachute safely to the ground. he was lynched and murdered by Egyptian civilians on the ground.
Nice video! Curious where did you get the Mirage 3 from? I thought it was just a skin for the 2000c but it doesn’t look like it is. Thanks and fun video!
Thanks for the comment! Mirage III is a mod by a group called VSN. They did other stuff like F-104, F-105, F-80 etc. Their mods are relatively simple, they borrow cockpits from FC3, they have SFM, available weapons are not necessarily historically correct... But I'm still grateful for what they do because there are a lot of videos I couldn't have done without them.
Ok I subscribe this video is really cool :) I just wish you had a better pc to record the game with stunning graphics, but I can't blame you for that and I just hope you'll keep improving. See ya ;)
This game is soo badass. Used to play Falcon 3.0 back in the day. DCS is just crazy good. However I looked at the cost.. WOW.. that's a lot of money. Do you have to buy each module via Steam or is there a base game, and a few add ons that would be a good start?
No need to go through Steam. Just download the basic game here: www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/beta/ You will get two planes and two maps. There are a few free mods, a couple of them really good. And always buy modules on sale, they come like ten times a year. You can test any module for free for two weeks.
Not really an easy shot. It a bit unusual that the missile hit because those R-3S were very ineffective at low level. The Israeli pilot did the most logical thing, he went low because usually, the missile seeker would have trouble telling his plane apart from the warm ground. But it was an exceptionally good missile.
In fact, the attack against USS Liberty took place on day four, this is day one. So this is earlier. I'm not sure if these are the same airframes. Could be.
@@showtime112 Da,mislim da je ta godina u pitanju,jednom pilotu je bilo oštećeno krilo na MiG-u 21 i tako se borio u dogfightu,a jedan ruski pilot je tada ostao bez goriva i sletio na pijesak u pustinji,isto je bio MiG-21 u pitanju
I happen to have a ex Egyptian airforce mig21u that flew in that war. Was on a live fire training lesson when instructor and student got involved Had 2 kills But also got hit in the rear. She landed safely and flew again.
Mirage III was initially designed to be high altitude interceptor. Hence the Cyrano radar, useless at low to medium altitude. Fact that Israel (and some other countries) used it as a strike fighter is a different story. Not sure what your problem is.
Thanks! As for the insignia, there's an illustration of this fight in Osprey's Mirage III vs MiG-21 and it shows this exact markings. Arab MiG-19 and MiG-21 Units in Combat also indicates the same for the late '60s period. But Egypt and Syria were changing their Air Forces insignia so often in this period that it's really confusing!
@@satox9503 Egypt changed the insignia a few times in 60s and 70s. This is how they were depicted in two different Osprey books that cover this subject. It seems that somewhere in 1971 or 1972 they settled on the insignia they still use today.
Make vedio about late pilot wing commander Saif ul azam of Pakistan 🇵🇰/ Bangladesh 🇧🇩 airforce, who shot down 3 israeli jets in June 67 war .! Thanks .
F-13s actually had a gun but some of the versions that followed such as PF didn't. I guess Russians also started to believe that missiles were enough. I'm not sure how much of that was American influence.
@@Melvorgazh Depends. F-16 has one engine and it's quite a performer. 'It's all about power to weight ration. If you can get a good ratio with a single engine, that's fine. The second engine gives a bit of safety margin for operating over oceans and such.
If more Egyptians were airborne, Israeli casualties would have been far higher - but the Israelis still would have been victorious since their pilots were better trained. When the Israelis then turned their attention to Jordan, the Jordanians put up a far better fight for a time because they were trained by the Royal Air Force and flew Hawker Hunters. For example, Flight Lieutenant (who retired as a Group Captain) Saiful Azam, shot down 4 Israelis in 6 days. 3 were confirmed and the 4th crashed enroute to Israeli because his aircraft was hit by Azam but succumbed to its hits. The pilot was killed and this was confirmed by the Israelis. Still, the Israelis managed to destroy all Jordanian air bases so the Jordanians operated from Iraq.
Thanks for adding more info. I would be interested to reenact some of the battles Jordanian pilots fought. I caught something on the FB the other day, it seems like there's a team developing Hunter for DCS so that might be an option.
@@PappaBear_yt But sometimes they really are. Remember that video 'How Syrian MiG-21s Almost Shot Down Israeli Eagles'? Two MiG-21s sneak upon two F-15s and launch missiles, but before that the F-15s shoot down some MiG-23s. At least two people thought that those were the MiGs from the title, but my knowledge was so lame that I mixed them up! One even told me to f*** myself! 🤣
@@PappaBear_yt The guy from Military Aviation History made a video with the dumbest comments he got. I'm collecting some good ones, might make a similar video in the future :)
Not very. Before the 1973 War, most Israeli Mirages had their radars removed and replaced by ballast because they were practically useless in that environment.
לא התרשמתי. כמו שאומרים בחיל האוויר - המיג 21 הוא חד מנועי, חד מושבי וחד פעמי. זה לא מפתיע שיש הבדלי גרסאות בין המדינות. המצרים גם טענו אחרי שהושמדו להם 400 מטוסים בתחילת המלחמה שהם השמידו כמות דומה לישראל. ממש בדיחה
Israel best ever pilots they will fight mano a mano... unlike the operation dessert storm where iraqui plane were out numbered by coalition force with the help of AWACS not impressive at all.. knowing that coalition have the most modern combat air craft....
Compared to the sleek Mirage, the MiG-21 looks like a hulking brute. By the way, is the flat, emotionless voiceover a deliberate choice? It sounds like someone explaining the safety procedures in a commercial airliner.
82ND AIRBORNE Do my ears Deceive me?? Or is that some kind of crypto...High speed...low drag...Teflon coated...Wind tunnel Tested Teletype messaging going on??
Inshas was one of only two Egyptian bases that wasn't put out of action in the morning attacks. This is confirmed by Israeli intelligence reports and the information comes from several books, some of them written by an Israeli author. So, yes. That's exactly what happened. Attacks were made with dumb bombs and using manual sights. Complex military operations never work 100%.
Jordanians only Arabs able to truely compete with Israelis in DOGFIGHTING. A significant one in 1966 had 1 Jordanian Hunter lost. Do a vid on other encounters.
Sure, the fight back is only symbolic. But unless video titles are at least a bit over the top, people simply ignore them. I don't like it either but that's how things work.
Ooh, my favorite kind of comment! Mirages didn't fly straight and steady, they dove for the ground. Why, you say? But fighters never, do that, you say! They always, always dogfight. And you know that because you watched a lot of GS videos, you say. Well, for one thing, Inshas air base was one of the most distant bases attacked by Israelis. Which means Mirages didn't have much fuel to spare. Staying for a ten minute dogfight in full afterburner would have been a dumb choice. Especially with the Egyptians having the position of advantage. Second, Egyptian MiG-21 was armed only with two very unreliable Atoll missiles which generally had hard time hitting low level targets close to hot desert floor. And in nine cases out of ten, simply flying low would have worked perfectly. Unfortunately for the Israeli pilot, this was one of those ten cases when a crappy missile worked.
help you to do what?, destroy the Jews and Christians for simply being Jews and Christians and rejecting Mmd and islam?, allah is a thug and you are his pawns, he is a pushover, a failure, a sore loser...
Man.....those Mirage III and MiG 21 are beautiful planes.
I quite agree with you.
I know. It's kind of sad even in this simulation seeing them destroy each other.
@@HiroNguy Mirage bested the MİG easily. Kicked the shit out of the inferior Soviet hardware..
Yes…beautiful
@@barracuda7018 a flying plane can destroy parked planes. Who would have thought?
Truth is that Egypt lost 452 planes during that short war. And Israel 47..
Most of the Egyptian planes were lost on the ground during the various surprise attacks conducted by Israel. Simply saying that Egypt lost 452 planes makes it sound like the were lost in dogfights, which is not correct. It's like saying that the US lost 188 planes against the Japanese who lost 29 at Pearl Harbour.
Very underrated channel! Great work with these Historical Videos!
Thanks! I've been hearing this underrated thing for a while. Still, it sounds much better than being called overrated 😁
@@showtime112 This is quite true!! I dont actually subscribe to many channels, but yours is definitely worth it! We need more quality, historical combat channels, like yourself.
thanks
One of your top three videos!
Thanks, I'm very happy with it too!
Absolutely loved those strafing scenes!
Thanks!
We need a proper Mirage III module in DCS
I'm sure if someone developed it, they would make a profit.
Hear me algorithm Gods and know that I am engaging with this good content!
Thanks for that comment!
Keep up the great work Showtime 112! Love your videos!
Thanks! Will do!
Egyptian pilot choose the right moment to fire the missile
Probably. But in this case, the missile worked much better than most other ones would have worked under such circumstances.
That was really slick. That Mirage didn't know what hit it.
Well, it's unclear if the Mirages were aware of the MiGs or they just accidentally dived at that moment. I think they were aware and concluded that those crappy missiles couldn't possibly hit them at such low altitude.
@@showtime112 You could probably be very right, early ir seeking missiles were very unreliable... Great video! Great work!!
@@georgyvazmed4497 Thanks for the comment, keep watching!
@Donald Pump True. Not supremacy though but still a huge success.
@@showtime112 Israel owned the skies in 1967
Watching these in Dogfights, my little brother came up with his own codenames for Russian fighters. He called the MiG-17 the 'fingernail' after a pilot's description of its round wingtips. The MiG-19 was the 'shotgun' due to its twin engines. The MiG-21 was the 'dart', for obvious reasons.
Dirty fingernails! And you have to say that with Southern accent cranked up to eleven 😁
@@showtime112 YOU SAW THAT TOO!? I love Dogfights! We got it on DVD!! U.S.S. Midway vs MiGs!
@@benlaskowski357 Yeah, I bought the whole DVD set of the Dogfights. In fact, it was the main inspiration for these videos.
@@showtime112 !!! Hence your 'callsign'! Cool! Keep up the good work, especially the stuff about the Indo-Pakistani wars: I've heard next to nothing them!
@@benlaskowski357 It's quite amazing how much was happening in those Indo-pak conflicts that' is generally unknown in the West. And in that interesting period where technology wasn't the most important thing yet.
I love how you shot the landings. Its so hard to find landings of planes like kig21, mig15 and such. Thank you
Landings seem like a nice closure (that's what they really do, right?) Very small percentage of viewers watches the videos that far but stil....
@@showtime112 I agree with Alex, a good landing of always satisfying. And as you said it's a great closure
@@showtime112 I agree with Alex, a good landing of always satisfying. And as you said it's a great closure
I love these high quality videos, they are superbly done! Why did the Mirage dive low? It leaves you with nowhere to go and certainly no altitude to eject?
Thanks for the comment! Actually, the maneuver made sense. The air base the Mirages were attacking was the most distant one so they were probably low on fuel and couldn't afford a dogfight. The old Soviet missiles were not great and flying low near the desert floor was very likely to defeat the missile's seeker. But unfortunately for the Israeli pilot, the missile worked despite the odds. Just bad luck I guess.
@@showtime112 graund whas cool not been hot to disrupt seeker
This was an actual real dogfight that truly happened!
many thanks for all efforts
Most welcome!
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Another great video man! Keep it up!
Thanks for your support!
very good work with these action - this is a real cool channel 👍
Thanks a lot, glad you liked it!
This Mig-21 was being flown by Mr. Abdul Sattar Alvi, a Pakistani fighter pilot. He was serving there at that time. He was very talented young fighter pilot.
Nope , Alvi shot down Israeli Mirage in Syria, he was not in Egypt.
I'm surprised that the Mirages didn't utilize their turn advantage and engage the MIG's , good video
In combat, pilots often don't engage in a dogfight when in a disadvantageous position but disengage from combat instead. In this case, several factors contribute to that choice. Mirages were attacking Cairo West, which is the most distant airfield attacked so they were probably low on fuel. Also, missiles carried by MiGs were not very reliable, diving to low altitude should have been quite safe. But this time, the missile worked.
@@showtime112 Good to know info, definitely the Mirages were at a disadvantage, the tide of combat can change in a instant, with the right factors and in this case the factors weren't there. Good points
In june 1967, the Mirage III nailed most of Egyptian Mig 21 on the ground.
@@bleimor28 yes
@@bleimor28 All's fair in War, it's not the Glory but the Guts.
EXCELLENT. Your channel is just for aviation enthusiast only. NO other people are allowed in here...PLEASE.
Thanks! You know, you are right 😁 The target audience are aviation enthusiasts who are interested primarily in aircraft. The political stuff is just to give some basic context. Many people think it is about who is good and who is evil. I block the most idiotic comments and I know that even the stupidest ones are good for YT algorithm, but I'd still rather not see them.
And there's no way for that Mirage III to outrun the MiG-21! Best chance it might have had was getting into the dirt, but having a shiny silvery colored skin in a desert environment doesn't help. Nice video!
Actually, Mirages came low not so much to avoid visual detection but to blend with the hot desert floor. Atoll missiles generally had trouble hitting low level targets because they couldn't distinguish their heat well from the ground. But this one could.
6:22 - they gave Egyptians some breeding space : ))
True! Egypt population in 1967 was 32 million; now they are 104 million. A lot of breeding space! :)
Stupid auto-translation 😁 I did correct most of it but I missed that one.
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Dobro ga je odradio mig21 da Obori lidera mirage 3 svaka cast
@@elvedinavdic5251 Taj dio s liderom je malo sporan. U osnovi, Šukri je imao dosta sreće s raketom koja u ovakvim situacijama češće nije funkcionirala nego što jest.
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@@showtime112 sta, hoces da kazes da je Mirage III bio bolji od MiG 21 u to vreme sa tom opremom tada?
The Egyptian pilot name is Nabil Shoukry
The Iraq air force had no chance against Israel air force but one brave solider kicked the Israel air force. The brave soilder and his squadron of Iraq air force took part in the battle with the old Hacker Hunter plane against the dangerous Mirage of Israel air force. That brave soilder took 4 mirage all alone and saved the poor Iraq air force back In those days. The brave soilder was A Bangladeshi pilot "Shaiful Azam" he also fought against the strong Israel air force for Arab an kicked them in the skies (with some old planes)
We are proud of him
Joy Bangla!!!!
You know, the Hunter mod is being developed for DCS. Maybe I will be able to reenact some of Iraqi Air Force activities with it in the future! Thank you for your comment!
THAT sounds like a hair-raiser, and worth seeing.
Shaiful azam sir 💗💗 we are proud of him. How fought against Israeli on day war shot down 4 jet and also fought India war Pakistan war shot a jet, Destroyed many ground target
I wouldnt call the Hubter ab old hacker, it was subsonic but was very maneuverable aircraft. Both Jordan and Iraq had over 100 each. Yes i know about thus Bangledeshi pilot. Yhey build him a statue in Baghdad!!!
Hawker Hunter overr 1900 built
Used by suisse
Lebanon
Kuwait
Saudia arqbia
Lebanon
IRAQ
ABU DHABI
CHILE
PERU
They did use US MK 82 in 1967, they had copies of French licenced produced AN M64/65
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Thank you!
the mirage lll was a new fighter aircraft in 1967. six day war.
This Trailer looks outstanding wanna see the complete movie. No serious another great historical content by Showtime you can't beat this guy if it comes to create great DCS movies paired with historical content simply outstanding. The History Channel should employ you. If i may ask? I see the Sexy Metal Beauty is not carrying any Shafrir-1s Heat-seeking Missles is this done on purpose or was it that way historically wise? I know at the time of the Six Days War, IDF/AF fighters used either the Matra 530 or the Shafrir I. Both were crap, and neither is credited with any more than a handful of kills during their entire service with the IDF/AF. It wasn't until the introduction of AIM-9s and Shafrir II during subsequent years that any significant amount of missile kills were achieved. And wasn't there no alarm sounding in the Mirage if one is being Locked On ? At the beginning of that mission, there were no four aerial combat kill roundels painted under the canopy windscreen, at the end suddenly there were. Was this because of the MIG-21 ground kills before? I'll prefer the Mirage IIIC anytime over the MIG-21. Why did Mirages do so well? For a number of reasons. Better training and piloting skills is one. Another was that although the Mirage was inferior in many respects to the major Arab fighter at the time, the MiG-21, it had its advantages, which IDF/AF pilots put to good use.Then in August 1966, an Iraqi defector landed a MiG-21 at an Israeli airbase. Thanks to the Iraqi defector Israeli pilots already knew a great deal about the MiG when they encountered it during the war.
Oh, thank you once again for so much praise! As for History Channel, I think they mostly do reality shows these days so they would hardly hire me 😂
As for the missiles, it seems like those Mirages didn't carry them on the mission. Osprey's Six Day War Campaign specifies payload carried by Israeli aircraft for the air base attacks and there's no mention of Shafrirs. Also, in the Mirage III vs MiG-22 Duel book, there's an artistic illustration of this combat and the Mirage is depicted in clean condition.
Regarding the kill markings on the Mirages, they are not correct. Three different skins are available with different numbers and kill roundels. They are not easy to change and it would be quite hard to track which airframe had a certain number of kills at which date.
You are right about Mirage's better historical results. A combination of better strategy, training, intelligence and other details were ctucial.
Up until the mid 80's, Israel was the worlds leading supplier of crashed mig parts.
Great research and reproduction.
Thank you very much for your positive feedback!
I wonder, why during those Israeli-Arab conflicts the Arabs had so few successful sorties?.. The Soviet planes were definitely not that bad, especially MiG-21.
@ IncoreFirearms Well I read the book "six days of war" from Jeremy Bowen, and I remember he said that it was a cultural thing, the Egyptians trained very little, almost only for parades, the high officials of the armed forces or the high command were people that got there by contacts, not by knowledge, competence or capacity, (like in latin america so sad :( ) while the Israelis on the other hand, trained a lot, they believed they will eventually fight for their contry very existance, and the high command were very profesional and very competent and capable people... All story short, Israelis were very ready, In Israeli collective mind they were so afraid they thought they would loose, so they underestimated their capabilities, they were so stressed that they really worked on their problem... the results speak from themselves, Sun Tsu says that an enemy is more dangerous if he feels trapped, because the enemy will flight harder, very aggresive to the last breath because of the r
Fear of death, I guess this really happened in the six days war, and I recommend you and everyone that read this that book, if you think an action movie is good... This is better!! You could even tell of how "radio el Cairo" disguised it's own people by telling them they were winnig the war (lies of course, like Mexican or Venezuelan ones), so sure those lies were said, that a few on the Israeli high command were confused, and a few days later, the the ugly truth for the Egyptians and the good facts for the sons of Israel...
There are several factors. Inadequate training, surprise in the 1967 war, obviously. Tom Cooper wrote some interesting articles at The Aviation Geek Club, even suggesting that one of the main reasons were inferior missiles and guns on Soviet aircraft.
Great and good planes, mediocre at best pilots.
@@benlaskowski357 : You don’t know much about the models of aircraft that were in service with the Arab air forces in 1967, do you?
@@samy7013 Shed some light for me. All I really know is they used 17s, 19s and 21s in numbers.
We really need early 21s...
That's true. But If I could choose, it wouldn't be very high on my priority list. We could use other types more. For example F-4, Mirage III, MiG-17, Super Mystere....
Parallel universes by Landau and Lifshirz
You some how forgot to mention that lieutenant Yair Noi-Man (RIP) managed to jump his burning Mirage and to parachute safely to the ground. he was lynched and murdered by Egyptian civilians on the ground.
What’s your source for that claim?
He should have neen treated with honour.
@@amjadkhan-jv6xj : 1) We don't know if such a killing even happened, and 2) we don't know what the pilot may have done to provoke it.
@@samy7013 pilot did nothing wrong apart from bombing these civilians.
Nice video! Curious where did you get the Mirage 3 from? I thought it was just a skin for the 2000c but it doesn’t look like it is. Thanks and fun video!
Thanks for the comment! Mirage III is a mod by a group called VSN. They did other stuff like F-104, F-105, F-80 etc. Their mods are relatively simple, they borrow cockpits from FC3, they have SFM, available weapons are not necessarily historically correct... But I'm still grateful for what they do because there are a lot of videos I couldn't have done without them.
@@showtime112 thanks, fun video either way!
Awesome video! Where did you get the Mirage for DCS?
Thanks! It's a mod, you can find download link on this forum:
www.lockonforum.de/community/thread/8294-mirage-iii-c-s/?postID=85067#post85067
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Thanks! I hope it will like it :)
Arab Israel is great subject matter. Keep it up.
Thanks! We have limited assets in DCS but certain things can be done. Keep watching for more!
Maybe Im missing something here but I'd hardly call 1 kill "payback".
It's just symbolic. Also, unless you have some bombastic title, viewers generally avoid your videos. I don't like it but those are the facts.
Ok I subscribe this video is really cool :) I just wish you had a better pc to record the game with stunning graphics, but I can't blame you for that and I just hope you'll keep improving. See ya ;)
Thank you for the comment and subscription. Well, I certainly hope I will be able to do some upgrades in the future.
I red somewhere that the Egyptian pilot used 2 missiles not one
It is possible.
This game is soo badass. Used to play Falcon 3.0 back in the day. DCS is just crazy good. However I looked at the cost.. WOW.. that's a lot of money. Do you have to buy each module via Steam or is there a base game, and a few add ons that would be a good start?
No need to go through Steam. Just download the basic game here: www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/beta/
You will get two planes and two maps. There are a few free mods, a couple of them really good. And always buy modules on sale, they come like ten times a year. You can test any module for free for two weeks.
10:17 would you ever get as easy a shot as this in DCS or anywhere?
Not really an easy shot. It a bit unusual that the missile hit because those R-3S were very ineffective at low level. The Israeli pilot did the most logical thing, he went low because usually, the missile seeker would have trouble telling his plane apart from the warm ground. But it was an exceptionally good missile.
Professionally reported. Flew US Navy then and was on the other side. Well reported nevertheless.
Thank you for that feedback!
01:08 The sun looked like the Israeli flag
Never noticed that. Now I'm wondering if it's a coincidence 😁
the egyptian air force mig+21 ,vs. idf air force mirage-111. deadly doghfight.
Where these the same Mirages that earlier had attacked the U.S.S. Liberty?
In fact, the attack against USS Liberty took place on day four, this is day one. So this is earlier. I'm not sure if these are the same airframes. Could be.
Egypt ✌️
Interesting in DCS and not in Strike Fighter. 8-(
But nice vid.8-)
Thanks for the comment!
Only two air forces performed well with the mig21 ( apart from the soviets) are Vietnam and India
You should read more about Egyptian mig after 1967
After hit the mirage lost parts but still looks well like nothing happens. 1998 animations.
Mirage III is just a mod, it doesn't have a proper damage model.
Da ponovim,Egipćanima su bili ruski piloti na ispomoći a takvi videi nisu još uvijek napravljeni
Ako misliš na intervenciju 1970, time ću se pozabaviti kad se u DCS-u pojavi F-4E. Kažu da će uskoro :)
@@showtime112 Da,mislim da je ta godina u pitanju,jednom pilotu je bilo oštećeno krilo na MiG-u 21 i tako se borio u dogfightu,a jedan ruski pilot je tada ostao bez goriva i sletio na pijesak u pustinji,isto je bio MiG-21 u pitanju
I happen to have a ex Egyptian airforce mig21u that flew in that war.
Was on a live fire training lesson when instructor and student got involved
Had 2 kills
But also got hit in the rear.
She landed safely and flew again.
Thanks for contributing the story.
This 1st time I look any Arab shootdown Israeli jet
It's not the only such case although Israelis generally don't like to admit it.
Come on man.... Mirage is a striker and MiG 21 is an interceptor... Both have 2 different roles...
Mirage III was initially designed to be high altitude interceptor. Hence the Cyrano radar, useless at low to medium altitude. Fact that Israel (and some other countries) used it as a strike fighter is a different story. Not sure what your problem is.
I think that was the pakistani pilot Who shot down that mirage....
That seems to be another case. Shoukri is Egyptian.
brilliant history snippet in a great sim
not sure if the EAF insignia and flags are correct in this video
Thanks! As for the insignia, there's an illustration of this fight in Osprey's Mirage III vs MiG-21 and it shows this exact markings. Arab MiG-19 and MiG-21 Units in Combat also indicates the same for the late '60s period. But Egypt and Syria were changing their Air Forces insignia so often in this period that it's really confusing!
@@showtime112 Hello, normally Egyptian not stars on the flag and insigna, on the flag just eagle... Here it's the Syrian flag
@@satox9503 Egypt changed the insignia a few times in 60s and 70s. This is how they were depicted in two different Osprey books that cover this subject. It seems that somewhere in 1971 or 1972 they settled on the insignia they still use today.
@@satox9503 No it's correct. Egypt at this time was still called United Arab Republic and used same flag as Syria today.
The pilot was from Pakistan Air Force on deputation with the Egyptian Air Force
Not this one, as far as i know.
No not in Egypt
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Make vedio about late pilot wing commander Saif ul azam of Pakistan 🇵🇰/ Bangladesh 🇧🇩 airforce, who shot down 3 israeli jets in June 67 war .! Thanks .
I will try to make some research on this topic and se if it's doable. Thanks for the suggestion.
@@showtime112, Google his name u will how interesting this man was also he was a top gun, and a liveing eagle titles recipient from u.s.a.
NICE KILL.KUDOS EGYPTIAN PILOT.
One Can Understand The F-13 Not Having A Gun But How Come The MLs Didnt Have One?
F-13s actually had a gun but some of the versions that followed such as PF didn't. I guess Russians also started to believe that missiles were enough. I'm not sure how much of that was American influence.
Don't fk with Isreal, am a Brit and the IAF would kick our arses, again.
Green bushes and trees in the desert 🏜?
Syria is not all desert. More you move west or north, more greenery you can find.
Do the recreation of Pakistani pilot Abdussatar Alvi who shot down Israeli pilot lutz in the 6 day war.
Wasn't that in 1974? I will try to find a detailed description.
@@showtime112 if u can then please do.
It will be much appreciated!
I wonder why they preferred single engine jets
Russians? Well, there are some advantages. They are cheaper to buy and operate, easier to maintain....
@@showtime112 Russians and the English and others.
The French too.
Aren't the 2 engines jet fighters more performant?
@@Melvorgazh Depends. F-16 has one engine and it's quite a performer. 'It's all about power to weight ration. If you can get a good ratio with a single engine, that's fine. The second engine gives a bit of safety margin for operating over oceans and such.
If more Egyptians were airborne, Israeli casualties would have been far higher - but the Israelis still would have been victorious since their pilots were better trained.
When the Israelis then turned their attention to Jordan, the Jordanians put up a far better fight for a time because they were trained by the Royal Air Force and flew Hawker Hunters. For example, Flight Lieutenant (who retired as a Group Captain) Saiful Azam, shot down 4 Israelis in 6 days. 3 were confirmed and the 4th crashed enroute to Israeli because his aircraft was hit by Azam but succumbed to its hits. The pilot was killed and this was confirmed by the Israelis.
Still, the Israelis managed to destroy all Jordanian air bases so the Jordanians operated from Iraq.
Thanks for adding more info. I would be interested to reenact some of the battles Jordanian pilots fought. I caught something on the FB the other day, it seems like there's a team developing Hunter for DCS so that might be an option.
Ofcourse we like! 🤭👍🏻
Well, believe it or not, people who don't like my videos actually exist 😁
@@showtime112 Well, I think they are confused. 🤭
@@PappaBear_yt But sometimes they really are. Remember that video 'How Syrian MiG-21s Almost Shot Down Israeli Eagles'? Two MiG-21s sneak upon two F-15s and launch missiles, but before that the F-15s shoot down some MiG-23s. At least two people thought that those were the MiGs from the title, but my knowledge was so lame that I mixed them up! One even told me to f*** myself! 🤣
@@showtime112 OMG! 😲
@@PappaBear_yt The guy from Military Aviation History made a video with the dumbest comments he got. I'm collecting some good ones, might make a similar video in the future :)
Any body knows who was the pilot of mig 21?
His name is Nabil Shoukry. That's the only loss of a Mirage III in the Six Days War to an Egyptian fighter that Israelis admit.
I Mirage avevano radar migliori....
Not very. Before the 1973 War, most Israeli Mirages had their radars removed and replaced by ballast because they were practically useless in that environment.
the idf-af mirage 111 was a superior fighter. vs. mig-21-fishbed.
Egipćanima su bili na ispomoći ruski piloti i prizemljili puni izraelskih aviona
Капец всем мигам!!
The s is Surya
Missiles should have been in inner pylons.
Well, the ML only had two pylons anyway :)
@@showtime112 Yes, FL only had 2, that's why I was saying it would be more authentic. BTW, you are doing a fabulous job. Keep it up. :)
@@imtiazsohan4633 Yes, probably now that I think of it. It will be inner pylons next time 😁 Thank you for your comment!
לא התרשמתי. כמו שאומרים בחיל האוויר - המיג 21 הוא חד מנועי, חד מושבי וחד פעמי. זה לא מפתיע שיש הבדלי גרסאות בין המדינות. המצרים גם טענו אחרי שהושמדו להם 400 מטוסים בתחילת המלחמה שהם השמידו כמות דומה לישראל. ממש בדיחה
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Thanks again for the comment!
Israel best ever pilots they will fight mano a mano... unlike the operation dessert storm where iraqui plane were out numbered by coalition force with the help of AWACS not impressive at all.. knowing that coalition have the most modern combat air craft....
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Egypt was so powerful
Compared to the sleek Mirage, the MiG-21 looks like a hulking brute.
By the way, is the flat, emotionless voiceover a deliberate choice? It sounds like someone explaining the safety procedures in a commercial airliner.
That's the only voice I've got. If you want to listen to some voices with lots of emotions in them, just go and listen to Adele or something 😁
I think your voice is just perfect , well done on your quality vidz 👍
82ND AIRBORNE
Do my ears Deceive me?? Or is that some kind of crypto...High speed...low drag...Teflon coated...Wind tunnel Tested Teletype messaging going on??
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First!
Congratulations, you still got it :)
it is computer graphics
Master of the obvious!
so the mission to crater the runway was a failure as the enemy planes still were able to take off at will.
Inshas was one of only two Egyptian bases that wasn't put out of action in the morning attacks. This is confirmed by Israeli intelligence reports and the information comes from several books, some of them written by an Israeli author. So, yes. That's exactly what happened.
Attacks were made with dumb bombs and using manual sights. Complex military operations never work 100%.
Jordanians only Arabs able to truely compete with Israelis in DOGFIGHTING. A significant one in 1966 had 1 Jordanian Hunter lost.
Do a vid on other encounters.
It will be covered some day.
"Egypt fights back" LOLOL
Sure, the fight back is only symbolic. But unless video titles are at least a bit over the top, people simply ignore them. I don't like it either but that's how things work.
You have an opinion😂😂😂😂😂😂
in enemy air space, remember to fly straight and steady , , , hey what's that ?? Some one shooting at me ?? Whaaaaaat ???
Ooh, my favorite kind of comment!
Mirages didn't fly straight and steady, they dove for the ground. Why, you say? But fighters never, do that, you say! They always, always dogfight. And you know that because you watched a lot of GS videos, you say.
Well, for one thing, Inshas air base was one of the most distant bases attacked by Israelis. Which means Mirages didn't have much fuel to spare. Staying for a ten minute dogfight in full afterburner would have been a dumb choice. Especially with the Egyptians having the position of advantage.
Second, Egyptian MiG-21 was armed only with two very unreliable Atoll missiles which generally had hard time hitting low level targets close to hot desert floor. And in nine cases out of ten, simply flying low would have worked perfectly. Unfortunately for the Israeli pilot, this was one of those ten cases when a crappy missile worked.
the real dogfiht mirage-111 vs. mig-21.
MiG podijelio batine i ovaj put ;)
Vidim da si preskočio prvih 4-5 minuta videa. To je ok, scene bi ti mogle biti previše uznemirujuće 😁
@@showtime112 sad sam pogledao... c c c c ne valja mi taj prizor XD
@@domovinivjerni Rekoh da ne gledaš :) A što je s tvojim kanalom? Radiš videa samo kad izgubiš okladu? 😂
@@showtime112 paa... Moze se to tako rec 😁🤭🤣
@@domovinivjerni Što ćemo onda baciti još neku okladu?
Allah will helo us..
help you to do what?, destroy the Jews and Christians for simply being Jews and Christians and rejecting Mmd and islam?, allah is a thug and you are his pawns, he is a pushover, a failure, a sore loser...
@@veritasardens6547 : Do you have a religion?
Maла замерка: требао си користити реалистичан нишан а не овај што прати мету.
Nisam točno siguran kakav nišan je na ML varijanti. Ovaj je simuliran na bis modulu a sad, je li u stvarnosti točno takav, nisam siguran.
GOOD HUNTING,
Thank you for your comment!
Lo hicieron 💩... Jaja 😂.