Chris Scott is so so so right about this. The suspension is the punishment that disadvantages the player for the offence. If you can still win enough votes despite missing games, you should win the award. You can also be an “unfair” player without getting suspended so the “fairest” part of these awards has always been a joke.
Perhaps even introduce a demerit system. Once you hit a certain threshold of points / marks you are then disqualified. This way a careless act doesn't rub you out automatically.
I think Harley is stiff but Darcy’s hit felt to me like a bit of a snipe which probably still would’ve been suspendable 5-10 years ago before all this head protection crap.
Reid was tagged hard and his frustration resulted in him trying to assert his strength in a silly sling tackle. That tackle is thd one that can do real damage. Jones got one for his tackle. Reid has to get at least that.
The fact that he was frustrated shouldn't even be brought into the conversation of whether he gets suspended or not. You can be frustrated as much as you want, as long as you still play within rules. I agree that the tackle itself though does deserve a suspension in the current interpretation of the rules 👍
The thing that doesn't get taken into account is the speed of the game. These guys are running at 30kph. Wilson has tried to sidestep at full speed. Being a competitive beast and doing something intentional are two different things. Probably deserves a week don't get me wrong but to cost someone a rising star award the game hasn't gone forward with the rules.
Robbo AFL does NOT take concussion seriously. Rowan Marshall didn’t come off when he copped a knee to the head at the end of the 3rd quarter. Jeremy Cameron didn’t come off during the game to port at GMHBA. AFL doesn’t give a crap about it.
They definitely do. For the first time we have technology that can assess footballers brains and the past generation of footballers are the first group we have drawn research from as to just how damaging a single concussion can be for some people. The AFL is going to have some serious legal issues unfold before it and we are already starting to see it.
So if the mark of the year occurs by a player kneeing a player in the head knocking him out that okay? AFL doesn’t care about concussion they just care about people’s opinions on it, otherwise they will ban any head knocks as in no jumping or using your hands on people’s heads
Really interesting, I can see both sides. I think the Brownlow has to remain B&F but I can see it being dropped from this one. I think I lean towards keeping it, maybe with some refinement though.
Some other thoughts on this: * Has this discussion come up other years? Were there other players that missed out? Dusty? Toby Greene? Or only discussing now because they’re media darlings * Nobody remembers previous winners, and it means nothing 2 years into a players career * Nobody wants to see players rubbed out, but both acts are indefensible and not borderline * AFL is not gonna change the rules because of all the legal liability regarding concussion and injury * Gamble responsibly
Then why is the AFL so behind the other codes that have a yellow / red card system to keep players aware of their folly. All the main ball codes have a "card" system except AFL its not even discussed!😮 Heavy fines should be left to the courts not the AFL. Two weeks for Reid considering the bullying by grown men on a teenager is very one eyed 👀.
@ivankurtz1909 What the hell are you talking about. If the little teenager with the huge bank account doesn't like being bullied by big bad men then he should cry to Mummy and only play VFL.
@@aussie_al Such a simpleton! I'm making a valid point on mitigating circumstances! He was badly roughed up by grown mature aged players . It's obvious he found the treatment unsavoury and not in the spirit of the game! He was deeply offended by the rough stuff completely ignored by the Umps! The fact he is a teenager is valid , surely some slack and some protection for 1st year players is valid criticism. Otherwise instigate a 20 year old age minimum. I can quote a number of talented young players that were effectively taken out of the game by violent acts , owing to the perceived threat! It's time the game matured with a yellow/Red card system.
Rough Conduct: Any conduct against an opposition Player which in the circumstances is unreasonable, as described in Law 17.7 17.7.2 Free Kicks - Rough Conduct A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against a Player when that Player engages in rough conduct against an opposition Player which in the circumstances is unreasonable, which includes but is not limited to: (a) executing a dangerous tackle on an opposition Player; (b) making forceful contact below the knees of an opposition Player or executing a forceful action towards the lower leg of an opposition Player, causing the opposition Player to take evasive action; (c) sliding knees or feet first into an opposition Player; (d) using boot studs in a manner likely to cause injury. So where does it say that a tackled players head cannot touch the turf?
An incorrect tackling technique isn't the same as an unfair act. There should be context in the act. This is why we need yellow and red cards, and have suspensions for unfair acts.
why not just rule them out for votes for the round they got suspended or the following games they are suspended? If someone can get suspended have a disadvantage and come out on top kinda shows on skill that the award is deserved.
Why not just leave it as it is and players who put other players in or at risk of serious harm should not win MVP awards. Yeah you can be the best player but if you're a dog sniper like Chris Scott was, you shouldn't be celebrated as the no.1 guy in the league. Nobody respects snipers matter how good they play. People are literally dying and you guys care about medals it's pretty disgusting
@@RyanQuinn0397 If you really cared about people dying from head trauma in sport, then you would vote to rule out players jumping on someone else's back to take a mark. Virtually every mark of the year has resulted in someone getting clobbered in the back of the skull from a knee or shin. Are you happy to do away with "speccies"?
@@sotiriosnovatsis4529 if it makes contact to the head then yes the speccy should be looked at. Not hard to bring in a too high rule for marking attempts. Jumping on backs and shoulders is okay
You're right no.1 Eagles ticket holder Everyone who tackles or touches Harley Reid should be suspended and illegible to play AFL ever again. All awards are actually Harley's personal belongings and the AFL are just holding onto them until he's ready to pick them up from the depot. Anyone who claims an award is a thief and should be charged with the full extent of the law.
All of this sooking because the AFLs golden boy got rubbed out for something every other player would have been rubbed out for (edit: unless you’re a good bloke). If this was any other player in Rising Star contention, they wouldn't be having this discussion.
This game is turning into netball, Chris Scott is 150% spot on! Get the players to wear a skirt, might as well, this is the direction the AFL is heading
The MRP suspends players for the smallest things, then lets others off for dangerous contact to the head...like Brayden Maynard. Their inconsistency shows that they really don't give too shit's about player safety.
I haven't respected the Brownlow since Chris Grant and Corey McKernan missed out for some of the most innocuous incidents. And when Goodes got 3 votes for 11 possessions or last year when Horne-Francis I think got 3 votes and had about 7 clangers from not many disposals. The coaches and player awards are the true awards for me.
Let's not forget Lachie Neale being robbed of a Brownlow when Cripps should have been suspended, then robbing Daicos of a Brownlow by giving LN 3 votes for a 7 kick, 20 possession game the following year.
It's lost all credibility, unless one of your players wins and then it's totally legit. Laughable We all know the coaches mvp = best player of the season
@@ChristianComito-e7dI remember when Buckley won the brownlow in a three way tie. He’d often not get votes for crazy games and then got 3 for a pretty average game by his standards 😂
@Comatosedpeanut 28 touches & 2 goals against North 0 Brownlow votes 11 tackles vs Sydney 2 Brownlow votes. Make it make sense?! Also, don't get me started on guys that should have been suspended. Ricciutto 03 high elbow Fyfe 19 high elbow Cripps 22 charging But they rob McKernan of a Brownlow because Barnes trips over him. 🙄
@@ChristianComito-e7d yeah McKernan so unlucky and Chris Grant gave Nick Holland a love tap in a marking contest...and I'm a Hawks supporter. Even Robert Harvey said the win felt empty and Grant should've won.
Surely with suspensions the points for Rising Star & Brownlow are self-adjusting? Harley's missing 2 games so he won't be getting any Rising Star points and winning the award is just a little bit harder as a result. If Harley had followed up with a smack across the head for good measure, then say an 8 week suspension would make it nigh on impossible to win that award.
for 20 years, or at least since McKernan & Grant lost Brownlows for being ‘unfair’, I’ve thought the Brownlow criteria should be tweaked. The Tribunal should impose penalties like Courts do when imposing penalties with or without a conviction. Suspensions could be imposed with or without ineligibility for the Brownlow as part of the penalty. If Scott Pendlebury, for instance (I am a Carlton supporter), retaliated after being whacked and was suspended in consequence, does it make sense to treat him as not fair enough a player to win a Brownlow?
They're not doing it for Reid. His dominance has raised questions. Rising Star is in the name, it's not best and fairest rookie, its the most promising, the next likely star, thus the discussion.
@@themetalpig7613 pull your head out of your ass mate, it’s no coincidence that all year there has been absolutely no talk about the rules regarding the rising star award 🥇 but as soon as Reid gets suspended it change this change that…. And it’s not just on this platform either 🤷🏻♂️
I wasn't surprised with the 2 match ban, but at the same time think Harley Reid's tackle looks worse than it was. Because he is expected to make the tackle, the opponent evaded got arms free and hand passed the ball away. But Reid managing to get a grip on the back of the jumper and both players in an awkward position fell to the ground hard. The only fault was not letting his grip on the jumper go sooner than Reid should have.
That's a funny way of twisting reality. You conveniently didn't describe the obvious throw down slinging wwe style dump action, which was the whole reason the tackle went the way it did. It wasn't "bad luck" it was a BAD TACKLE
AFL-hey you could hurt someone and don’t play for Pies/blues, that’s several weeks suspension. AFL when someone actually hurts someone’s and ends their career and they play for the pies-nothing to see here.
Bat the table every year! It gets batted every week! Week after week the MRO makes a mockery of itself, “Charlie’s good bloke” ok we agree suspension over turned week later similar tackle rubbed out.
As an Eagles fan I appreciate the sympathy from fans of the 17 other clubs (even teams that absolutely hate us). Thankyou for putting the differences aside on this one I am filthy that Harley will miss this award, but it cannot be changed now. The award will now be like seeing whoever was number 2 in Michael Jordan’s first rookie NBA year, it’s completely irrelevant.
Reids was unfortunate I think , was actually a good tackle but definitely had a sling element , Darcy's was nothing but a gutless cheap shot , ball was not even the object, anybody who has played clearly knows Maynard was the target
It has no place in either the Rising Star or Brownlow Medal in this day and age and you really only have to look at almost every other major contact sport on the planet to understand as to why.
Stop changing the game, exactly, the afl changes the rules every bloody year, that's why we're in this mess. We had the best game in the world for over 110 years, the last 10-15 years have been a joke, now especially.
“Do not feel sorry for Harley Reid or Sam Darcy” is right. Both were stupid acts. I saw things in Harley that game that I didn’t like. Looking very entitled and with a bruised ego. If the rules are good enough for Darcy Wilson, Sheezel, Ashcroft (who was a frontrunner but got injured) and any other youngn nominated, they’re good enough for Harley & Sam
Robbo didn’t like Sam Darcy act he just a rookie panicked realised he was late didn’t know what to do. Maynard destroyed the career of a player and is not a rookie and should’ve acted differently but still played in a GF. The rules are a joke depends on who you are who you play for.
Repeat offenders or those showing serious intent to do harm or contempt maybe, but I'm inclined to agree with the comment below. Maybe it's time for the AFL's top awards to actually be just MVP awards ? Time rubbed out is punishment enough. No need to rob a player of the accolades he deserves if he was the best player in the league for the season because of a sloppy tackle or a bit of banter.
Freo supporter, darcy was intention to cause harm,harleys is a tackle gone wrong. Maybe a bit of malice but he probably sidnt want to hurt him. Scrap the fairest in brownlow and rising star and this gets rid of the debate. Otherwise people will be second or third best all season and be labeled best.
So dropping fair from the name of an individual award is going to open the floodgates to unfair play? Players don't play fair because they're thinking about an award.
@@davidagiel8130 having an award doesn't make players have discipline. The award isn't some kind of carrott that's encouraging players to keep in line.
Chris Scott is so so so right about this. The suspension is the punishment that disadvantages the player for the offence. If you can still win enough votes despite missing games, you should win the award. You can also be an “unfair” player without getting suspended so the “fairest” part of these awards has always been a joke.
Agreed, and maybe even give the player/club the option, miss games or make yourself ineligible for an award
AFL lacks a lot of common sense these days, anyone with half a brain would tell you this is a farce
ive always liked Chris Scott, he may be fiery, but thats his passion, hes a smart man with many good view points, not surprised he is such good coach
Perhaps even introduce a demerit system. Once you hit a certain threshold of points / marks you are then disqualified. This way a careless act doesn't rub you out automatically.
@@Puddy_Muddleis he a really good coach? Or have they just had a really good team and really good recruiters?
Nah, Lyon & Robbo are wrong…
I’m with Chris Scott here
Lyon pretty much agrees, he just says it can't be changed this year.
They're both correct.
They can change rules whenever they want and have done before so why not. @@mikewazowski8368
I think Harley is stiff but Darcy’s hit felt to me like a bit of a snipe which probably still would’ve been suspendable 5-10 years ago before all this head protection crap.
Chris Scott is spot on. Being suspended is your consequence and if you can still manage to get enough votes to win, kudos to you.
Slobbo has absolutely zero authority on this matter
None of them have any authority on the matter
WC supporter but love listening to Chris Scott, always measured and intelligent responses in recent times
Bro, he didn’t even attempt to spoil, he just straight hip and shouldered him in the back 😂
Exactly, it looked intentional. Maynard was lucky he was a skinny kid coming up
Reid was tagged hard and his frustration resulted in him trying to assert his strength in a silly sling tackle. That tackle is thd one that can do real damage. Jones got one for his tackle. Reid has to get at least that.
The fact that he was frustrated shouldn't even be brought into the conversation of whether he gets suspended or not. You can be frustrated as much as you want, as long as you still play within rules.
I agree that the tackle itself though does deserve a suspension in the current interpretation of the rules 👍
The thing that doesn't get taken into account is the speed of the game. These guys are running at 30kph. Wilson has tried to sidestep at full speed. Being a competitive beast and doing something intentional are two different things. Probably deserves a week don't get me wrong but to cost someone a rising star award the game hasn't gone forward with the rules.
Robbo AFL does NOT take concussion seriously. Rowan Marshall didn’t come off when he copped a knee to the head at the end of the 3rd quarter.
Jeremy Cameron didn’t come off during the game to port at GMHBA. AFL doesn’t give a crap about it.
They definitely do. For the first time we have technology that can assess footballers brains and the past generation of footballers are the first group we have drawn research from as to just how damaging a single concussion can be for some people. The AFL is going to have some serious legal issues unfold before it and we are already starting to see it.
So if the mark of the year occurs by a player kneeing a player in the head knocking him out that okay? AFL doesn’t care about concussion they just care about people’s opinions on it, otherwise they will ban any head knocks as in no jumping or using your hands on people’s heads
Exactly. They only care about public opinion. No one ever talks about the players who are concussed from someone taking a speccy on them.
Gary is the last person to talk about making mistakes, how quick he forgets.
If you are talking about what i think you are talking about then i think Lyon knew very well who he was doing. Oops i meant what he was doing.
A very good point. Maybe he's still sore that no one felt sorry for him after the sex scandal.
Just ask Grant and Cory
Really interesting, I can see both sides. I think the Brownlow has to remain B&F but I can see it being dropped from this one. I think I lean towards keeping it, maybe with some refinement though.
Darcys was way worse compared to reids and yet both get 2 weeks bit of a joke
The inconsistency of the MRP has become legendary.
Some other thoughts on this:
* Has this discussion come up other years? Were there other players that missed out? Dusty? Toby Greene? Or only discussing now because they’re media darlings
* Nobody remembers previous winners, and it means nothing 2 years into a players career
* Nobody wants to see players rubbed out, but both acts are indefensible and not borderline
* AFL is not gonna change the rules because of all the legal liability regarding concussion and injury
* Gamble responsibly
Well said 👏
Then why is the AFL so behind the other codes that have a yellow / red card system to keep players aware of their folly. All the main ball codes have a "card" system except AFL its not even discussed!😮
Heavy fines should be left to the courts not the AFL. Two weeks for Reid considering the bullying by grown men on a teenager is very one eyed 👀.
@ivankurtz1909
What the hell are you talking about. If the little teenager with the huge bank account doesn't like being bullied by big bad men then he should cry to Mummy and only play VFL.
@@aussie_alwhy is the public so soft around feelings, but yet label fair punishment for clearly outlawed dangerous actions soft?
@@aussie_al Such a simpleton! I'm making a valid point on mitigating circumstances! He was badly roughed up by grown mature aged players . It's obvious he found the treatment unsavoury and not in the spirit of the game! He was deeply offended by the rough stuff completely ignored by the Umps!
The fact he is a teenager is valid , surely some slack and some protection for 1st year players is valid criticism. Otherwise instigate a 20 year old age minimum.
I can quote a number of talented young players that were effectively taken out of the game by violent acts , owing to the perceived threat! It's time the game matured with a yellow/Red card system.
Rough Conduct: Any conduct against an opposition Player which in
the circumstances is unreasonable, as described in Law 17.7
17.7.2 Free Kicks - Rough Conduct
A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against a Player when that Player
engages in rough conduct against an opposition Player which in the
circumstances is unreasonable, which includes but is not limited to:
(a)
executing a dangerous tackle on an opposition Player;
(b)
making forceful contact below the knees of an opposition Player
or executing a forceful action towards the lower leg of an opposition
Player, causing the opposition Player to take evasive action;
(c)
sliding knees or feet first into an opposition Player;
(d)
using boot studs in a manner likely to cause injury.
So where does it say that a tackled players head cannot touch the turf?
um maynards hit on brashaw and stil got off last year?
Not everyone is an awesome ninja who can change direction mid air like you.
Get with the program and stop being so one eyed.
They changed the rules AFTER that incident….
@@Jonathan-Sundnot a good change. Brayshaw wore a helmet for a reason.
@@Comatosedpeanut No arguments here, it’s a contact sport
The coaches are spot on.
Reid’s was not malicious. He is the clear deserving winner at this point.
An incorrect tackling technique isn't the same as an unfair act.
There should be context in the act. This is why we need yellow and red cards, and have suspensions for unfair acts.
why not just rule them out for votes for the round they got suspended or the following games they are suspended? If someone can get suspended have a disadvantage and come out on top kinda shows on skill that the award is deserved.
So if Reid got caught taking a performance enhancing drug he could get a rap over the knuckles, cop 2 weeks and still win the rising star.
Why not just leave it as it is and players who put other players in or at risk of serious harm should not win MVP awards.
Yeah you can be the best player but if you're a dog sniper like Chris Scott was, you shouldn't be celebrated as the no.1 guy in the league. Nobody respects snipers matter how good they play.
People are literally dying and you guys care about medals it's pretty disgusting
@@aussie_al When does anyone get 2 weeks for taking PEDs? If he did that, he'd be suspended for the year if not more.
@@RyanQuinn0397 If you really cared about people dying from head trauma in sport, then you would vote to rule out players jumping on someone else's back to take a mark. Virtually every mark of the year has resulted in someone getting clobbered in the back of the skull from a knee or shin. Are you happy to do away with "speccies"?
@@sotiriosnovatsis4529 if it makes contact to the head then yes the speccy should be looked at. Not hard to bring in a too high rule for marking attempts.
Jumping on backs and shoulders is okay
actually agree with gary.
what is with the earthquake effect when he hits the ground hahahah
Chris Scott is 100% correct here.
I've said this too many times to too many people, so this may be the last, but Harley Reid did not "throw" the player down.
This a good pundit chat Dunstall in good form to the point
In that case Robbo what about the reckless high tackles on Reid and not forgetting the treatment handed out to Shuey that was scandalous.
reckless high tackles, you mean him ducking. Scandalous? spoken like a true eagles tosser
@@thebob3712 You might think about removing your eye patch from your one good eye!
You're right no.1 Eagles ticket holder
Everyone who tackles or touches Harley Reid should be suspended and illegible to play AFL ever again.
All awards are actually Harley's personal belongings and the AFL are just holding onto them until he's ready to pick them up from the depot.
Anyone who claims an award is a thief and should be charged with the full extent of the law.
@@ivankurtz1909 take your blinkers off, there other teams than just the wankers/eagles
All of this sooking because the AFLs golden boy got rubbed out for something every other player would have been rubbed out for (edit: unless you’re a good bloke).
If this was any other player in Rising Star contention, they wouldn't be having this discussion.
Incorrect. People have been having this debate regarding the Brownlow for years.
@@sotiriosnovatsis4529 Except this isn’t about the Brownlow.
Spooked by possible legal consequences around concussion?
Absolutely a relic of the past, everyone gets reported today, change the rules or these awards will become even more irrelevant than they are now.
This game is turning into netball, Chris Scott is 150% spot on! Get the players to wear a skirt, might as well, this is the direction the AFL is heading
The MRP suspends players for the smallest things, then lets others off for dangerous contact to the head...like Brayden Maynard. Their inconsistency shows that they really don't give too shit's about player safety.
I wished that reid could play for the next 2 games
You cannot adjudicate this tackle through the AFL though as this tackle or throw was actually a WWE move.
Pretty click baity title. Hardly a firey debate.
I haven't respected the Brownlow since Chris Grant and Corey McKernan missed out for some of the most innocuous incidents. And when Goodes got 3 votes for 11 possessions or last year when Horne-Francis I think got 3 votes and had about 7 clangers from not many disposals. The coaches and player awards are the true awards for me.
Let's not forget Lachie Neale being robbed of a Brownlow when Cripps should have been suspended, then robbing Daicos of a Brownlow by giving LN 3 votes for a 7 kick, 20 possession game the following year.
It's lost all credibility, unless one of your players wins and then it's totally legit.
Laughable
We all know the coaches mvp = best player of the season
@@ChristianComito-e7dI remember when Buckley won the brownlow in a three way tie. He’d often not get votes for crazy games and then got 3 for a pretty average game by his standards 😂
@Comatosedpeanut
28 touches & 2 goals against North
0 Brownlow votes
11 tackles vs Sydney
2 Brownlow votes.
Make it make sense?!
Also, don't get me started on guys that should have been suspended.
Ricciutto 03 high elbow
Fyfe 19 high elbow
Cripps 22 charging
But they rob McKernan of a Brownlow because Barnes trips over him. 🙄
@@ChristianComito-e7d yeah McKernan so unlucky and Chris Grant gave Nick Holland a love tap in a marking contest...and I'm a Hawks supporter. Even Robert Harvey said the win felt empty and Grant should've won.
Surely with suspensions the points for Rising Star & Brownlow are self-adjusting? Harley's missing 2 games so he won't be getting any Rising Star points and winning the award is just a little bit harder as a result. If Harley had followed up with a smack across the head for good measure, then say an 8 week suspension would make it nigh on impossible to win that award.
Slobbo has no idea
You can still have a fairest component and change the definition of fairest. Such as disqualifying players who are suspended for MORE than 2 weeks.
for 20 years, or at least since McKernan & Grant lost Brownlows for being ‘unfair’, I’ve thought the Brownlow criteria should be tweaked. The Tribunal should impose penalties like Courts do when imposing penalties with or without a conviction. Suspensions could be imposed with or without ineligibility for the Brownlow as part of the penalty. If Scott Pendlebury, for instance (I am a Carlton supporter), retaliated after being whacked and was suspended in consequence, does it make sense to treat him as not fair enough a player to win a Brownlow?
Yeah let’s change yet another rule for HARLEY REID/ NOT!!! Didems got frustrated and deserves to be suspended…
They're not doing it for Reid. His dominance has raised questions. Rising Star is in the name, it's not best and fairest rookie, its the most promising, the next likely star, thus the discussion.
@@themetalpig7613 pull your head out of your ass mate, it’s no coincidence that all year there has been absolutely no talk about the rules regarding the rising star award 🥇 but as soon as Reid gets suspended it change this change that…. And it’s not just on this platform either 🤷🏻♂️
I think if its a non footballing act, youre inelligible, if its a footy accident, you cop your suspension but are still eligible.
He slung him and drove his head into the ground, he wasn’t fair at all.
"Should have gone to Specsavers" he was flung on his back! Not driven head first! Get your eyes checked.
@@ivankurtz1909 Regardless fool it was still dangerous and out of sheer frustration, he deserved to be suspended.
Driven head first? That’s laughable. Scott is on the money here.
@@ivankurtz1909 he slung him and hit his head on the ground, so what if he landed on his back first, cope harder
@@davidagiel8130 C'mon fool! you firstly deliberately stated that his head was driven into the ground! Which was a false dramatisation!
I wasn't surprised with the 2 match ban, but at the same time think Harley Reid's tackle looks worse than it was. Because he is expected to make the tackle, the opponent evaded got arms free and hand passed the ball away. But Reid managing to get a grip on the back of the jumper and both players in an awkward position fell to the ground hard. The only fault was not letting his grip on the jumper go sooner than Reid should have.
That's a funny way of twisting reality. You conveniently didn't describe the obvious throw down slinging wwe style dump action, which was the whole reason the tackle went the way it did.
It wasn't "bad luck" it was a BAD TACKLE
Don't worry about not feeling sorry for Reid or Darcy.
The player I don't feel sorry for is Brayden Maynard.. Angus Brayshaw says hi.
how does Mark Robinson get a gig??? The fact he's getting paid for these opinions is abhorrent.
As usual Slobbo has no clue.
Byron Pickett says 👋!
AFL-hey you could hurt someone and don’t play for Pies/blues, that’s several weeks suspension.
AFL when someone actually hurts someone’s and ends their career and they play for the pies-nothing to see here.
Bat the table every year! It gets batted every week! Week after week the MRO makes a mockery of itself, “Charlie’s good bloke” ok we agree suspension over turned week later similar tackle rubbed out.
Chris Scott was as dirty as they get of course he doesn’t care about people getting hurt
Don't feel sorry for him they say, I say no need to got Nazi on him either
As an Eagles fan I appreciate the sympathy from fans of the 17 other clubs (even teams that absolutely hate us). Thankyou for putting the differences aside on this one
I am filthy that Harley will miss this award, but it cannot be changed now.
The award will now be like seeing whoever was number 2 in Michael Jordan’s first rookie NBA year, it’s completely irrelevant.
Until they change the rules, sorry, he can not be eligible.
Reids was unfortunate I think , was actually a good tackle but definitely had a sling element , Darcy's was nothing but a gutless cheap shot , ball was not even the object, anybody who has played clearly knows Maynard was the target
It has no place in either the Rising Star or Brownlow Medal in this day and age and you really only have to look at almost every other major contact sport on the planet to understand as to why.
It’s not an issue, stop changing the game because your favourite got rubbed out, that’s life, grow up.
Stop changing the game, exactly, the afl changes the rules every bloody year, that's why we're in this mess. We had the best game in the world for over 110 years, the last 10-15 years have been a joke, now especially.
“Do not feel sorry for Harley Reid or Sam Darcy” is right. Both were stupid acts. I saw things in Harley that game that I didn’t like. Looking very entitled and with a bruised ego. If the rules are good enough for Darcy Wilson, Sheezel, Ashcroft (who was a frontrunner but got injured) and any other youngn nominated, they’re good enough for Harley & Sam
Robbo didn’t like Sam Darcy act he just a rookie panicked realised he was late didn’t know what to do.
Maynard destroyed the career of a player and is not a rookie and should’ve acted differently but still played in a GF.
The rules are a joke depends on who you are who you play for.
I dont think ive ever heard a topic in which chris scott has been close to being right.
Spoken like a true sniper.
Once a dog always a dog.
Lenny kravitz/Billy idol afl pre game entertainment grand final twilight/night 😂😂😂❤😂😂😂😂❤😂
What about coaches association award players association award only brownlow is fairest and best 😂😂😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤😂😂😂😂
The hit from Darcy was a dog act.
Just like the afl day grand final a.m it's time to look forward tony serprano remember when is the worst form of conversation 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ollie Dempsey the rising star
Yeah but not the best young player.
Grand Finals at the MCG is also a relic of the past Chris
Repeat offenders or those showing serious intent to do harm or contempt maybe, but I'm inclined to agree with the comment below.
Maybe it's time for the AFL's top awards to actually be just MVP awards ?
Time rubbed out is punishment enough.
No need to rob a player of the accolades he deserves if he was the best player in the league for the season because of a sloppy tackle or a bit of banter.
slobbo always has the worst takes and knows nothing about footy
Reid is dirty. And because he is now the golden boy, he could have a glass barbie or a dangerous tackle and the media will defend and froth over him.
Perth is the meth capital of oz after all 😂
Freo supporter, darcy was intention to cause harm,harleys is a tackle gone wrong. Maybe a bit of malice but he probably sidnt want to hurt him. Scrap the fairest in brownlow and rising star and this gets rid of the debate. Otherwise people will be second or third best all season and be labeled best.
Haha generous, can guarantee you Reid knew he was throwing him into the ground, he’s not brain dead
The irony of talking about a player that comes 3rd or 4th actually being handed a faux award. Hey Sammy?!
If you drop the fairest aspect you will ruin the award, why play fair anymore then?
So dropping fair from the name of an individual award is going to open the floodgates to unfair play? Players don't play fair because they're thinking about an award.
Ya stil get bloody suspended bro
Because you’ll keep getting suspended and you won’t get game time
Genius move to get rising star
@@davecollins1753 but they won’t lose any awards so why bother playing fair? The point is to show you have the discipline
@@davidagiel8130 having an award doesn't make players have discipline. The award isn't some kind of carrott that's encouraging players to keep in line.