Postmortem of Josh Trank's Fantastic Four
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2024
- You've seen the cringeworthy reviews, you've heard the horror stories. Can Marvel get the first family back? We discuss the big picture, and what comes next for Fantastic Four and Fox.
Special thanks to our guest for this episode, TrollInTheDungeon, who has been chronicling the development of the movie for the world to see on the imdb.com forums: www.imdb.com/ti...
so glad you got Alan Rickman as a guest speaker...
You mean Stephen Hawking, no? ;0)
I hope the comments snarking on Andre's voice don't discourage him from making videos; I found his voice calming and clear. It's nice for someone to slow down a bit and make the subject easier to think over to me, so I always look forward to him being in these videos. Thanks for chronicling Trankgate, guys!
No, his voice is fucking weird and robotic.
The Fantastic Four was and has always been the wholesome entry into comics and superheros. With Deadpool cracking the R rating code why not put the F4 back where they belong in PG or G? There is nothing wrong with setting them as a foundation for the next generation of comic fans. The Jessica Alba versions were decent, sold well and have quite a bit of rewatch value on cable/netflix. There is no need to take all franchises dark. Keep the F4 light and family friendly.
+Louisville UAV Well said. Applause.
+Louisville UAV Studios really seem to think they can aim super hero movies at a bigger audience if they "mature" the stories and characters by making them all dark and gritty.
Characters like Superman and the Fantastic Four don't work when being portrayed as depressed, tortured souls.
+Remc0 Schedel Actually, the Fantastic Four actually were known and praised for being so and reacting and behaving like normal people and Superman just started to get good once they explored his humanity and moral issues (this doesn't mean turning him into Ayn Rand's ideal superhero *looking at you Snyder*).
Arturo Casab You better look at Alan Moore.
Snyder didn't create the Watchmen, he just made a movie adaptation of Moore's graphic novel.
The characters were very spot on.
Remc0 Schedel I was referring to Superman, his work on Watchmen was impecable because he altere nearly nothing of it, the movie was a square by square adaptation of the novel.
josh trank looks like hes smiling on the one side and sneering on the other. hes freaking Two-Face.
The most interesting thing about this movie for me is that it illustrates how studios have a hard time in the adapting the DC and Marvel properties. Disney when it bought Marvel was not just expanding its library of intellectual properties but buying a company that knew how to adapt those properties in really profitable ways which is something every other studio has done with mixed success.
Save us, Marvel Studios. You're our only hope.
My suggestion, sign the petition to get Fox to sell the F4 rights back to Marvel.
+Cameron McEwen Never gonna happen. They genuinely think that losing a few million (which is what happened, they had a 175 mil buget and made, so far, 165mil world wide) and keep Marvel from making a cent off of this ip, fox will keep it.
+TheGreatDanish With all the pain and suffering they went through, why would they keep the rights to the FF?
+Cameron McEwen Like i said, keep Marvel from making a buck off it with out forcing them to give Fox a cut. After all, they bombed with the Amazing Spider Man and instead of selling Spidey back to marvel, they just let marvel buy an appearance for Civil War. So this is probably what's going to happen with the Fantastic Four. A deal to let Fox keep the rights, they sit on the rights again until 2022 (they need to release a movie with the fantastic 4 title in 7 years.) when they make another bomb of a movie so Marvel doesn't get the rights.
This is exactly whats happened before. They made a bomb of a movie in 2007, waited till 2014 to start making a new one and released this pile of shit this year. They obviously think losing money is better than Marvel making money.
+TheGreatDanish After Rupert Murdoch putting his two cents in coupled with today's announcement of thr sequel being pulled from the 2017 schedule, the film rights really may revert after all.
So, I watched all of the "Trank-Gate" videos and then some last night and I had a dream that I had to spend the day with Josh Trank and it was Terrifying. So 10/10, I would recommend people to watch your videos! :D
as a Marvel fan I´m really happy about Disney buying Fox. Now Marvel got the Mutants and F4 back.
There's 50+ years of great stories, how hard is to make a good FF movie? Take any 3 consecutive issues from Lee and Kirby, there's you script. Done.
Yup but it was obvious this was made to keep the rights for a few more years
Easier said than done, fool.
Looking back, Trank is hugely responsible for this mess.
Help us, Kevin Fiege. You're our only hope.
FOX is totally ruining the Marvel franchise. from the name suggests; 'F O X'
F - Fantastic Four
O - Origins Wolverine
X - X3
See? Coincidence?
+rahne23 three letters. half life 3 confirmed.
Those movies aren't even that bad. Don't be a hater. It's such a waste.
+jacoblgames Origins: Wolverine was bad, though. Logan, on the other hand... WOW, that was such a great movie!
The tragedy of this movie is that Trank, whom had no final cut, cast approval, or really any power took all of the heat and lost his career.
Tweeting what he tweeted cost him his career...
I COULD LISTEN TO THAT ONE GUY TALK FOREVER.
So relaxing. He needs to go into ASMR.
If Marvel ever finally crushes Fox to it's breaking point and gets the FF rights from them, the entire MCU should end with a final confrontation from Galactus. It would be the single most perfect way to finish such an epic franchise.
LyleVSXyle But hopefully not for a long time yet, I think we all enjoy the MCU in its current form;p
There is a guy who sounds like Doctor Doom that talks in this video.
91MoonKnight That really gets...old...quickly when he...takes a...beat to say the...next thing....he's think...ing all of the time. Pick up zee pace!
91MoonKnight personally I think he sounds like what Ultron should, a bit like Dr Freeze in those old Batman cartoons. However, Dr Doom.. mmm I could see that.
+electrojones Yeah, I have a hard time paying attention when he talks. Too monotone and lacks a strong personality in his voice.
+91MoonKnight I think the guy is from Finland (he sounds like many Finns I have met) so that's just the way he speaks in English. but it's good that he takes a second to elaborate on what he's saying. I rather hear someone speaking slowly and intelligently than one of those crazy you tube presenters that act all skitty and hyper. those I just want to punch in the nose really hard.
Yeah i like it. I like his voice.
As much hatred there was going into this movie, I tried to remain optimistic. It doesn't help that my favorite villain is Dr. Doom. This is one of the worst positions Fox's is in. I'd argue much worse than X-men origins. Because, with Origins, they were able to salvage themselves with First Class, The Wolverine and Days of Future Past.
Two already mediocre movies(plus one that wasn't released, Corman) didn't make this task easy. But when this recent movie trumps all others and is one of the worst reviewed comic book movies(in a time where comic book movies are actually being well-received) that's horrible. Given the toxicity associated with the name now, I honestly see Fox trying to reboot this series(whether full or soft) being a major uphill battle.
And considering they can't even cross over with the X-men(it's due to the contracts Fox has not having a clause and in turn it would require Marvel's permission), the one logical decision is to cut their looses and sell/make a deal with marvel. I'd argue for the latter. At least Spider-man has various intrinsic properties that allow Sony to hold some ownership(as the toxicity for Spider-man in theory will erode).
Fox can't even claim that as the other two Fantastic Four movies sucked and this new one bombed horribly.
Neil Ganti Agreed on all of the above. We'll monitor the developments very closely, and bring it all to you.
+Midnight's Edge I don't think the Fantastic Four will be a bargaining ship in Marvel allowing an X-MEN TV Series outside the MCU the only thing Marvel will allow from Fox is Avengers vs X-MEN like in a Spider-Man/Sony type-deal.
The X-MEN are alot more value than the Fantastic Four, and Fantastic Four movie bombed and they have to make it.
TheBrabon1 Oh Marvel has the Celestials Eson the Searcher is in Guardians of The Galaxy, and they have the Skrulls just not the Super-Skrull
This movie made me confused, angry, upset......it just made me feel wrong. Everyone company currently holding Marvel characters that is not Marvel should just give them back honestly, Marvel seem to be the only ones who know how to make good movies from those characters. Sony came to their good senses Fox should too.
+The Offender Agreed - if they can't do them right, and they can't profit from them (and Fox can do neither) it time to send it back to Marvel.
"Doom blew his head off. There's no coming back from that." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA it's funny cause it's true.
Here's something I don't understand about people who fail to adapt comics:
If you wouldn't completely alter the source material from a Novel, you shouldn't try to do that for a comic book film. Obviously some changes are going to be made, but to completely change everything that made people like the source material in the first place is just asking for trouble.
Gabriel Abboud That is actually possible to do. Since in comics different writers and artists come in all the time and do their version of the characters and stories.The difference here is this has been done so piss poorly it completely negates trying to do something different and interesting.
Gabriel Abboud The thing that makes it worse is that these changes in Fant4Static were not made for practical reasons, they were made deliberately to fuck with the fanbase and to cause controversy.
+Gabriel Abboud it's alright to make the necessary adjustments in order to fit current culture and the movie format itself. however the problem is that all these dumbass producers don't care about the source material and they are making "adjustments' based on current trends or things that made other movies sell. which ends up creating an aberration like fant4stic
Yeah, for some reason they always want Doom in the movies, give another villain some shine, and don't screw it up like galactus
First off, big if. Secondly, deviation from the source material isn't always a bad thing. Third, in defense of the Tim Story movies, they did nail the tone down.
Although brilliant and integral to the Apollo program, they may not have wanted to mention Von Braun because he was part of the SS in Nazi Germany.
Here is my hypothesis, because we need to test hypotheses to determine blame- this is a key point that I'll get to in a second. I speculate that the studio and producers kept pushing the director for more footage of the building of the dimension machine. They did this either knowingly or unknowingly to cut costs. I speculate that the studio sold Trank on letting him pursue his vision and then pressuring the movie to be basically a one-set low-budget minimalist drama. Trank finally broke, my theory goes, and then the studio had to make the large amount of footage releasable. So, they used the overdone laboratory setting and tacked on a climax. This is why they are using unproven directors so that they can manipulate them and then hang the blame around their necks when they can't fight for their film effectively. What this implies is things like that Dr. Doom was not necessarily "ruined" but just was not allowed to attain what the director imagined him to be by the end of the film. By analogy, what if Two Face's scenes ended in The Dark Knight by killing the Joker when he handed him the revolver in the hospital? He would be "ruined," but it would not be the director's fault if the studio forced the film to end abruptly.
Mara shat her self smoking weed? I've seen people go into coughing fits and puke, but never rip the bong so hard they just let the brown river flow freely. If that Is true then it's easily the best thing to come out of the movie
Thanos Titan There was apparently alcohol involved too, we have heard since doing the recording. According to 4Chan where the story seemingly originates from, she was drunk and high, and had an "accident" in front of Trank. He laughed his ass off, but she was frightfully embarrassed and wanted him to shut up about it because of her image and for gods sake, stop laughing! The story goes then goes that he laughed even louder, and more intensly. Then she started to cry, and complained to her management that he was "unprofessional" and "abusive".
Thanos Titan See, D.A.R.E should cover stories like this instead of generic kid stories.
"Don't do drugs, you'll make Fant4stic."
Thanos Titan I think that means she was terrible to work with because she was high all the time. Not actually shitting.
electrojones No, it actually means she took a dump in her pants.
Midnight's Edge this story sounds too surreal to be real.
I looked up Josh Trank on IMDB to see what he had done that qualified him to do a movie of this level and budget. I found nothing. He had done nothing. He is about a half step above a second year film school student. Why did they tap him to make this movie? To whom is he connected that enabled his advance past the creative film makers that could have made a great movie? I love movies, although I have never liked the fantastkkkkkk four and their untoward sexual tension between Reed and Johnny, but I don't ask.
He was given a a big chance and he fuck up now he is done the dude will never make another big budget movie ever
www.hitfix.com/harpy/steven-spielberg-just-set-josh-trank-on-fire-with-the-burn-of-the-century
I agree. In a Fantastic Four reboot, Jon Hamm as Reed Richards and Mads Mikkelsen as Doctor Doom would be entertaining. The youngster Ultimates version of the team has become toxic.
mollytherealdeal Hamm would be great. Too bad January Jones can't act at all. She certainly looks like sixties Sue, and the two of them together would be a fun take on their Mad Men personas.
David Tennant would have been perfect as Reed Richards. Too bad he can't be Richards since he is playing Purple Man in the Jessica Jones Netflix.
mollytherealdeal When I heard that Reed was a Psychopathic killer on that Ultimate line, I lost interest in giving it a try.
ralph m Yes, the ultimates line was really top quality back in the late 90's early 2000s but after The Ultimates volume 2, Marvel really lost the plot.
mollytherealdeal Yeah, the guy with the ultron voice in the podcast, seems to know what he's talking about - why isn't he working for one of these studios?
I don't understand why people were surprised by how bad this movie was. From the beginning you could see what was happening. Everything we heard about it was just bad.
x-men the wrath of ivan ooze... LOL
MCU FF fun, fresh, and proper Fancast:
Reed Richards - Jon Hamm or Adam Scott
Sue Storm - Julie Benz or Vera Farmiga
Johnny Storm - Dan Stevens or Ryan Gosling
Ben Grimm - Terry Crews or Manu Bennett
Victor Von Doom - Nikolaj Coster-Waldau or DiCaprio
Fox tired, unwanted, and pathetic reboot Fancast:
Reed Richards - Steve Buscemi
Sue Storm - Steven Segal
Johnny Storm - Steve Buscemi
Ben Grimm - Steve Buscemi
Victor Von Doom - Michael Cera
Steven Seagal as Sue Storm is genius. Tf are you on kid????
6:48 The Blame Game
11:28 Production
26:30 Now What
35:04 Wishful Thinking
Who would've thought Disney would just buy the whole damn studio?! 💁🏿♂️💁🏿♂️💁🏿♂️💁🏿♂️
Based on what I've heard and seen it seems as though Trank is a child with emotional problems particularly from his apparent twitter rant about his childhood growing up as a fat kid and the premise of Chronicles movie. I think he still sees himself as the bullied kid who lashes out, the same can be said of Doom, Reed and Dr. Doom they are all transparent manifestation of his own personality. I think he also has a definite problem with authority and with working with other people. I think as a director he has potential however as someone who can work within the industry I think is where this movie proved he is incapable of if what is said about him is true because who would want to hire him? who would want to work for him? nobody. This movie has relegated him to low budget indie films which is probably what he should stick to.
+LunaticReason i think his career is over after this tbh...too much bad shit happened too fast lol
Anyone else find it isulting that Ben Grimm a Jewish superhero was advertised as having a bacon cheeseburger meal for the dennys promotion?
Ruhail A Perhaps not that specifically, but maybe more insulting that nobody cared to uphold the tradition of him even BEING a Jewish superhero. Fox doesn't seem to realize that changing or ignoring somebody's background actually comes off as a dis to fans who have that same background.
Yeah I was really depressed by Ben's treatment the most out of the four in the film hes such a loveable fun guy that reeks of charisma and personality which distinguishes as a mindless monster like how Hulk can sometimes come off.
*him from a
Ruhail A You know what? Yes. I just realized that. It should be insulting.
It almost seems like someone is trying to kill off the heroes we grew up with and leaving us with this #$%^%#
Great video, you should do a postmortem vid like this for Ghostbusters 2016 after that inevitably bombs this summer! Andre was right on the money with his casting choices of Jon Hamm as Mr. Fantastic and Mads Mikklesen as Doctor Doom. It's unlikely moviegoers will go for a fourth go-round for Fantastic Four at the box office, but I think if Marvel Studios gets the film rights back or works out a deal with Fox, they should first test the waters with an FF Netflix series to see if the demand is there for more Fantastic Four, and that's a success; then go ahead with yet another movie.
+DoctorPretorious616 You can rest assured there will a postmortem for Ghostbusters!
Seems like Mads Mikkelsen is the go to guy for villain suggestions. Casino Royale, Star Wars Rogue One...Hannibal. As a Dane I would love to see him more, but I don't want him overused turning, I'm time, into Max von Sydow or Christopher Plummer, being in mediocre to horrible movies.
It was a movie FOX didn't want to make in the first place, and the results clearly showed it.
I saw the post on IMDB and it brought me here! :)
This is the most fascinating podcast I've ever heard. You have one guy who sounds like a regular guy, another guy who sounds like he inhaled a buttload of helium and another guy who sounds like a Transylvanian Count with a speech impediment.
Marvel should make a movie about this!
About the making of the film?
+Jack Park Yes!
Ok! We'll get Josh Trank to star, and when the pressure gets too much for him and he trashes the portable toilet we'll keep him in, we'll film it and edit it into a movie! Movie magic!
+EvanSol919 So basically a docudrama that's almost like the movie based off the book of the making of The Room.
Another great video guys!
Heaven's Gate.
Doctor Doom has a complex origin that has been butchered thus far. The tragedy of his loss and his introduction to magic. Born in a fascist situation, with a mother who knows limited Magic, doom learns basic spell-work ( like as seen in doctor strange's training montage) before he leaves his homeland, before he meets any other Marvel character. His mother makes a deal and is taken (to hell) by Mephisto. Only when he exhausts the options presented in his mother's spell book, and it is not nearly enough to help him reach nor free his mother from the demon's grasp. he begins to study technology and use magic with tech to get results that can only be achieved by the combination. they could do a whole movie that happens before Victor goes to college. The mask comes in the second movie.
Third movie, he answers a call, a magical challenge, to determine the next sorcerer supreme. you know the story, he helps Stephen Strange win, and asks for help to free his mother.
No, Ben went to college with Reed, so he’d be the same age.
You know what would be a fair trade Marvel gets to use The Fantastic Four, and some of the X-MEN except they have to make them modified Inhumans, so they don't need terrigen crystals they get their powers in puberty
The X-MEN characters they should get: Wolverine, Marvel Girl, Cyclops, Deadpool, Ajax, Storm, Mystique, Iceman, Nightcrawler, Apocalyspe, Magneto, Mr.Sinister, Sabertooth, Lady Deathstrike, Rogue, Professor X, Pyro, and Beast, Silver Samurai and Agent Zero
"So, we're some kind of Fantastic Four."
Sue's character trait in this movie is "i like music".
I mean, granted, she name-drops Portishead, which is pretty legit, but it's still wafer-thin as characterizations go.
This production Will be an awesome documentary in the future
Those two casting ideas for Reed and Doom are utterly brilliant.
No they weren't
Daniel Scott Sure they were.
DarthCipient Nope
I have just now noticed that the parody comic shown 37 minutes in is a reference to WATCHMEN.
andre sent me to sleep
Apparently that's the way North Korean people talk.
Damn, everything this guys says about what has to happen with the F4 and associated characters is awesome. And in my opinion the perfect way to go if Marvel gets the rights back.
Doesn't Constantin Film fully own the film rights to the Fantastic Four? From what I've read, Constantin licensed the rights to Roger Corman's studio and Fox for their attempts.
I'm guessing that Constantin Film could work with Marvel Studios on an F4 movie set in the MCU.
One of these guys sounds like Thunderf00t
It's interesting to look at the history of superhero films... Rise of the Silver Surfer was one of three major comic book movies to come out in 2007, the others being Spider-Man 3 and Ghost Rider. It was also one year after X-Men 3. Had Marvel not taken control of the production of Iron Man and instead let another studio produce the film, not only would the movie have likely crashed and burned under studio mishandling, but DC would have crushed them completely with The Dark Knight. Forget ever seeing Guardians of the Galaxy in that dark timeline...
Doug Glassman Very true. The movie landscape would have been very different right now if not for Marvel Studos, and not for the better. Marvel makes everyone else up their game.
Midnight's Edge true. Although marvel themselves are not infallible.
Not even likely. That's a toss-up.
just now noticed the use of music from Alex Proyas' The Crow at the 21:20 mark. :)
Even my thick Nostalgia Goggles can't make Howard the Duck look like a good movie. But I loved it as a kid.
One of them made excuses up for the Prometheus crew and said at least they weren't the brains of the operation and had their own specialist jobs because both films "intelligent" characters show signs of stupidity.
This is true but also wrong in the sense that while the Prometheus characters were specialists in a certain field.
The geologist lost where they were and couldn't find the way back when his whole job is about mapping and knowing the area.
Then the biologist went to pet an unknown alien creature that had risen up in a cobra like striking position even though his job would have been to know animal movements and probably to observe not stroke a wild alien.
I want the Fantastic Four in Avengers Infinity War
1216Rockman That would have been something.
1216Rockman Let there be a Fantastic Four tv mini series on Netfilx
Mads Mikkelsen as Doctor Doom is actually happening wow
FF would work as a pixar-like kid's movie. That could wash the name clear too.
haha, that photo of trank,. yeah, he really looks like an @$$hole.
The problem with this movie was the same problem with all fox and sony "marvel" movies, they don't give a shit about the source material, don't respect the characters, the story or the fans / movie goers. they try to apply trendy formulas to the movie in matter and think people will just eat it up.
I didnt like the Xmen or the ff films. the only passable xmen film was first class, and even with that movie I have a lot of issues.
The irony is that making a ff or xmen movie that people would love is EASY, all you have to do is read the comics and be faithful to them. and even use stories or scenes from the comics. its so simple. being faithful to the source material.
whats the point of making a ff movie if the end result is something that has NOTHING to do with FF? this movie was just a random boring sci fi film, not a FF film.
What about a Fantastic Four TV show, maybe on Netflix. May have to keep the budget a bit lower, but I think it may be a better place for them. Establish them on TV and then have them as secondary characters in the bigger universe.
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I'd love to see Mads as Dr. Doom, been saying that for years. Sadly, it looks like Doctor Strange has him snatched up in an unspecified role.
Indeed! I'm still excited to see him in Doctor Strange, but he'd have made an outstanding Doom.
Please take that helium balloon off TrollInTheDungeon!
I think George Clooney would be a perfect Mr Fantastic. I don't particularly care for him or his career, but I think him and that role would fit like a glove.
+Andreas Nordvall No
Why not call it Trankgazi?
+Hailey Shannon Goobergeter!
The term "something-gate" has been so overused!
I'd like to see a sketch on Robot Chicken that parodies this movie, and points out all the faults.
It's not Josh Trank's fault it's the studio but I hope they make a director's cut and then give the rights back
+justisperez
You're not going to get a Director's Cut. Trank's cut was never completed, and they are not going to spend millions on bringing him back and getting his cut into releasable state, as that would be flushing those millions down the drain, they'd never get a return on them.
Rights are another matter, though.
I don't know if it's fair to call Darth Vader a Doom ripoff. I mean, sure, they're both tall, metal men with capes who like to stand with their arms crossed, but beyond that I don't see any similarities between them, certainly not if we go beyond appearances and look at what they're like as characters.
But as for Marvel regaining F4 it would be a HUGE event in yerms of the MCU. Many fans speculate that their previous attempt to regain Galactus & The Surfer were for intoducing the next villain after Thanos. We are about to get Thor Ragnarok. Ragnarok as we know is the end of all things. Having had a brief cameo in Guardians its believed we'll see the coming of The Celestials in Ragnarok to judge all life in our universe. However there 'would' have been an element that even the Godly Celestials feared.. The destroyer of worlds, Galactus. It would be awrsome and there is still time however Fox would need to sit down with Marvel and thrash out a deal. F4 WONT make Fox money any longer so it seems the only viable alternative is to sell. I can only hope..
archangel0891 We all keep our fingers crossed. Furthermore, we will monitor that situation very closely, and keep you and all our other subscribers up to speed with everything that goes down between Marvel and Fox.
Me I just want a Jack Kirby type FF film is that too much to ask. I guess it is...
Surely they'll sell back to Marvel now? At this point a sequel or remake by fox will bomb and waste them even more money. Selling to Marvel is the only way they can make any money from the Fantastic Four now.
"Imagine forming a super-team with your co-workers" - LOL!
John Cusack and Kristen Wiig would've been perfect as Reed and Sue.
why is there always a Dr. Doom? Didn't Fox buy the rights to more villains? Jeez, Fox, invent some new villains if you have to!
I used to hate Kate Mara as an actress, but after Fant4stic, I feel genuinely sorry for her.
I would've said tranktastic four.
I'd like to see an animated X-Men TV series on Disney XD, set in the same universe as Ultimate Spider-Man, Avengers Assemble, and Hulk and the Agents of S.M.A.S.H.
Dropping Jon Hamm into the MCU seems discordant. I can't really imagine him showing up in blue spandex and fitting in with the rest of their lineup. Reed Richards is one of the best characters that Marvel has, at least in my opinion. He's smarter than Bruce Banner and Tony Stark and he can transform his body in any number of ways that would be needed. I'm racking my brain to think of an appropriate actor but I'm just not that up to date with Hollywood. If Tom Cruise was a couple feet taller and not a lunatic it might work. I'm sure there's someone out there who would make a perfect fit, I'm just not the person to think of it. Anyway, the really good news is that Noah Hawley is doing a standalone Doctor Doom movie. If you don't know who Mr. Hawley is, he is the brainchild behind the Fargo and Legion TV shows. He's an amazing director who fills his work with a Kubrick/Hitchcock level of detail to salivate over upon multiple rewatchings. Doom is like Mister Fantastic in that he is best of the best. He's like Magneto mixed with Albert Einstein. The best evil genius villain who could actually carry his own movie penned by someone with an incredible track record. They have my money.
You could have the fantastic four in a deadpool movie, briefly, with his fourth wall breaking it could be quite funny, it could feature a mixture of both iterations, a total change of tone, hen go back to being a normal deadpool move.
Does Andre or whatever his name is have his own channel? I really enjoy his narration and criticism.
If everyone was that unprofessional on set they all got what they deserved with this film .
ALSO, you would think the controversy of the film boosts people's interest :P
r2c123 It raised interest allright, but only of the "lets all throw pie in the face of Fox" kind of interest. It didn't raise enough interest that anyone who wasn't already going decided to buy a ticket, that much is clear from the boxoffice!
Midnight's Edge Yeah, I don't understand why hearing about what a colossal piece of shit Trank was and how terrible this film was would get anyone to actually part with their money and waste their time watching it.
Speaking of speaking funnily, why do the two Americans end all their sentences like the Mandarin in Iron Man 3 "you'll neverrrr see me coming".
I find it more likely F4 will remain dead for 10 years before they do another reboot.
I wonder why Josh Thank didn't just make chronicle 2, he clearly wanted too.
+Lloyd Dalby If it was up to him, he probably would - but only Fox head honcho's can actually greenlight movies, and the powers that be put him in charge of this.
What is the song from that starts at the 20:45 mark? It's from a film but I just can't pick which one.
In the end, it seems like Fant4stic will long term benefit everyone. It appears it led to Marvel getting Fantastic 4 back, and the ousting of antagonistic Fox execs and replace them with executives who, at the VERY least, won't chop their own faces off just to slightly inconvenience rival studios. Which, is much better then it making cash and continuing the rotten status quo that was Fox's marvel properties before this.
Glad to see there are others like you M'Edge guys who are of the same line of thinking as myself. But yea I agree with pretty much all you guys say in the vid. Fox have made F4 brand utterly toxic. They are so clueless that they have managed it with long established properties at their disposal such as Alien & Predator. AvP was a great idea HORRIBLY executed and Prometheus was a beautifully shot mess. People like John Davies at Fox are the cancer in these issues. Fox have a dead property now. Any reboot or sequel will be met with automatically with backlash & negaitivy. Its in their best interests to use F4 as a trade for Xmen tv rights as Xmen short term is a lost cause. However we know how Fox toxify properties so I can already see Xmen dissolving into mediocrity with the Wolverine films and the horrible DOFP.
archangel0891 I know, it's frightening how bad Fox runs itself. They've just lost 60 million because they've basically spent the last 4 years tossing off. Even their damage control policies are littered with school boy errors. I'm boycotting the company because what I've learnt during this debacle explains a lot about the companies output.
hendrixisgod777 Right on cue, Fox' next blockbuster "Hitman: Agent 47" also bombed big time this weekend, opening to only 8% RT. Between FF and Hitman, Fox stands to lose more than 100 mill.
Doctor Doom could be introduced via Black Panther, there's been great interplay between the two as monarchs.
Castiel from the TV show Supernatural = Reed Richards..... somebody make it happen.
As bad as Batman vs Superman was, it was no Politicaly Correct Four.
As bad as Batman vs Superman was, I preferred Politically Correct Four.
Good for you.
orgasmatron1977m No shit
Trank's original cut would have sucked too... he was more interested in making his own movie and had no respect for the source material
Wouldn't "Marvel movies proper" have been a better term? Did this page make a video(s) on the troubled production of Catwoman? I'm surprised there's no explanation behind Doom's look in these videos. Interestingly enough, Trank's cut was loved by Toby Kebbell. Heh, blame Trank for The Thing. Have these guys listened to the Kevin Smith podcasts with Josh Trank? To say there's nothing of the Ultimates comics in Fant4stic is to outright lie. There might not be much, but there's still stuff present. The quartet not being a team, being a dysfunctional family, that was definitely Trank. To be fair, those tech guys were drunk. Sue not being present at Planet Zero does help to explain why her powers manifested the way they did. Technically, Fox did ask for a Fantastic Four movie. Are those statements on the X-Men TV rights accurate? I don't see how Marvel would have approved of Legion. Actually, Doom is ultimately a anti-villain and a well-intentioned extremist. Darth Vader is a straight-up villain in Episode IV; Episode V makes him an anti-villain giving more of a moral code. There is a review/reconstruction trailer that a UA-cam user, spideyfan2002 made. Here's hoping they're successful. Apparently,If these videos have proved one thing it's that there's need to be a study done on how well indie directors transition to big features.
Trailer: ua-cam.com/video/2aGljoGxMvA/v-deo.html
Fox wants that X-MEN TV Show then they should make a deal with Marvel, Marvel Studios should get The Fantastic Four, and some X-MEN Characters.
Wow ,,you guys know your shit,and your right they need to go back to the original story ,
after watch this for the 80 time, I think they just need a director fan of the comics. similar to joss, the problem is there's not many of them.
Great vid but the guy who passes om info with the leprechaun voice is really distracting lol
I'm starting to wonder if Josh Trank deliberately nullified and destroyed Kate Maras' character just to spite her because he couldn't get his own way with the casting. I very much doubt that Sue Storm would have been as colorless (no pun intended) and written as lifelessly dry as she was in this if he had gotten his own way with who played her.
I think he de-characterized Sue Storm just to throw his toys out of the pram because he couldn't get his own way with her. In typical sociopathic fashion if he can't get his own way with something then he'd rather piss on it and destroy it rather than allow someone else's idea to have a chance to work.
It's a painful contrast, listening to the two guys who talk at normal speed and then suddenly slamming into the guy who sounds like he just took a handful of valium before the recording session.
It's a foreigner speaking a foreign language. At least he is interesting to listen to.