BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER - 6X17 NORMAL AGAIN REACTION
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WINTER SCHEDULE:
Mon: FTWD/TWD
Tues: Supergirl
Weds: The Flash/LoT
Thurs: Rick and Morty
Fri: Arrow/Supernatural/Buffy
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Torchwood Boy still to this day I don't know if she was hallucinating dreaming or what
You said the next episode is Seeing Red. .. but the next episode is Entropy...or have I missed something?
Can we praise again and again Sarah Michelle Gellar's acting ? Damn, that woman is brillant.
She legit kills Me. Seems to get worse as I get older too, I used to be able to marathon the entire show in a few weeks, but now I have to take breaks between episodes sometimes to catch my breath. Sarah is so powerful. From plucky and hilariously funny to absolutely devastating and all the brilliance in-between. Adore Her. 💖💖💖💖💖
I never got how Dawn thought that was Buffy's perfect reality. Yes, her mother was still alive, but Buffy was stuck in an institution because of severe mental problems for six years, apparently completely unresponsive. How does that qualify as "perfect"?
maybe she also felt that way too about her own reality that maybe she'd rather be THERE where her mother was still alive even though it's not a perfect one... she probably is also having a hard time finding that closure
I know this is a late reply but I believe she saw it as Buffy's perfect reality because not only is their mother still alive but it would mean everything was in Buffy's head, this means she can get better. Vampires and demons not being real means she would be able to fall in love, get married, have children and die of old age. In other words an average life. Unfortunately for Dawn she was a by-product of magic.
It doesn't really make sense, but it doesn't need to make sense. It's more about Dawn having the emotional maturity of, well, somebody her age.
That scene gives weight to the idea that Buffy "The Vampire Slayer" is a false reality. In said reality, Buffy's group/friends/her sub-conscious wants to keep Buffy there for their own survival. If Buffy chooses the 'real' world (psych ward), Buffy's friends and family become none existent.
Why did Buffy’s parents bring her to the mental hospital and why was Buffy in a mental institution?
I love this episode because of how much it ties together Buffy's self hatred. This season already did a lot of parallels between Buffy and Faith to emphasize how similar below the surface they are, but this episode really helps to highlight Buffy's despair of her life and reality and the shifting perception of her world - she started out damaged but okay, she surrounded herself with a group of people who look up to her and tell her how awesome she is. In an essence her playing the hero is no different than Faith indulging into playing the villain - different means, same ends. And then everything just went downhill again and again, she died, twice, she made mistakes, she encountered Faith and could not stand to see herself in her, she revealed her flaws to others...and in turn the world around her changed and the whole illusion she escaped to was shattered - even her friends, the people who used to look up to her, are slowly changing HOW they look at her the more human she lets herself to be and the more she sheds away a mask of happy infallible superhero. So she dove headfirst into an excuse of being wrong, being someone else, in order to act upon her self destructive impulses and bottled up emotions she could not let herself indulge in as superhero. And then Dead Things shatters that completely, which is a strong Faith parallel to This Years Girl. And this episode highlights that change in her life - her reality changed to being so harsh and cruel that an alternative of being a mentally ill patient in mental asylum seems better to her. In the end she chooses to stay within real world, however both Buffy and the viewers will never know what was the right choice and which place is more of a nightmare...
"Willow and Tara have got to be endgame."
I cry a little inside
Personal theory - both realities were real. The demon collapsed two different Buffys into one that got torn between them for a while.
I agree.
Actually the illusion theory is mostly thrown out of the window considering this ''illusion'' continues even after she accepted the world she lived in as real and saved her friends. So parallel realities as mentioned above seems a more plausible theory. The main problem this episode faces is the fact that events continue after this episode. And certain events happen in this world without Buffy knowing about them which kinda throws out the idea that she makes it all up. This literally would have been a real mind fuck if the show just ended right then and there.
It would have been like Inception where the user is left to interpret for itself whether or not the main character is still dreaming.
They could both be real, Asylum Buffy is cured after the end of the series due to Buffy's new circumstances then.
Carlos Huiskens actually your first sentence is accurate but still not true. Yes she we went back to the asylum after she accepted sunnydale, but she still hadn't had the antidote... and if she needed the antidote to be cured completely, there's no reason to believe that she couldn't slip back into that illusion before drinking it, regardless of accepting her fate.
Read my comment and tell me what do you think of my considerations that have led me to completely disassemble the final of this episode;)
Seeing Red is next!! The one we've all been waiting for since you started the reactions! Because we may or may not be sadists. 😂
Please, we all have a little Katya Belyakov inside of us.
*dreading
Mavoc ew...
IKR he didn't like the hitting in Bangel. Oh boy.
Especially considering his remark about you know who!
Oh fuck! "Seeing red" And here come the tears and the true season six big bad reveal.
this episode of Buffy reminds me one Charmed episode from 4th or 5th season (when demon made Piper, Phoebe and Paige thinking that they are crazy, Leo and Cole were in this world too)
If you read the Wikipedia page of this ep it lists many similar eps in other series.
oh yeah, I see this now :) Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episode "Far Beyond the Stars", Charmed episode "Brain Drain", Stargate Atlantis episode "The Real World", Smallville episode "Labyrinth", Supernatural episode "What Is And What Should Never Be".
The next episode is Seeing Red... Get the Tissues ready everyone.
I saw this episode on telly when it first aired and 15 years on, that ending still trips me the fuck out. Because you genuinely wonder which reality was real..... 🤔
But that's Joss Whedon for you, innit? 🙄😄
It’s been years since that comment but I’ll point out a few clues;
The doctor say’s that Buffy has been going in and out of her delusion to which her mother and father agree « we know about her condition » but if this was true then she would’ve had episode in and out of both reality before being to the asylum
Another important detail is that most often when Buffy is dreaming or in an astral projection context she often see her mother and father. Like when Dawn gets kidnapped and is stuck in a loop where once again Joyce and Buffy’s father are present. To me they seem to always represent a mental barrier created when she is unable to cope with what is happening around her.
I say they're both real. The demon created an alternate universe, just like Anyanka did in The Wish.
The doubts of the fans with this episode went so far that Joss had to confirm the hospital was the illusion. I love it!
Well it doesn’t help that he wanted to put in the X-Men comic that he wrote that Scott Summers (Cyclops) has a cousin in a mental institution who thinks she’s a demon hunter. Lol
LMAO!!! I didn't know that!!
But of course that could just be the short period she refers to in LA?
Well, that's what I thought; parallel universes! : D
yep, this episode was a mindfuck in the best way possible. one of the reasons buffy is still one of my top five shows of all time.
Up next, the episode that proved Joss Whedon is a sadist.
joss loves effing with the viewers minds. that ending is such a mindf*ck.
I actually like Dawn(most of the time anyway) but in this episode, holy shit. “It’s your ideal reality and I’m not a part of it” aw fuck off, who’s ideal reality is being a patient in a mental hospital? I’d really like to know lol
you have to remember that dawn feels abandoned after joyce dies, and then everything that happens afterwards only adds to that feeling, from buffy dying, to buffy trying to kill herself again, to buffy and willow going out all the time and leaving dawn alone, etc.
I always believed it was clearly stated by the last scene that the institution is real, since we usually never see it if Buffy isn't there. But she gets to choose to live in her imagination, because that's the point of the episode, that we can choose our reality. It fits with the philosophy of the show.
Hi, I love your reactions, this chapter is one of Josh Weadon's favorites because it's amazing how it's played with the fans' minds, and by the way, it leaves the end open, so that everyone can interpret what they want
I think you took this episode pretty well!
I remember back when it aired, I was PISSED. Not because of the overall episode itself, which was really, really fascinating. It seemed to be this concept where - after being dead and in heaven and being forced to come back to a dark, scary, depressing world where violence still happens and her mother is dead - Buffy in this episode needed to finally re-accept the slayer life and all that comes with it and stand up and re-engage in that life again. That seemed really powerful to me. But... I felt it was ruined by the last scene, which seems to make it as if Buffy really is in an institution, all 6 years that we've been watching aren't real, and the choice she made to re-join that world in the end is pointless because she's actually in a hospital, still in her head. Which is why I was pissed off.
I felt that final scene ruined any message of hope (that Buffy is finally choosing to re-engage in her life again, after coming back from the dead) that the episode seemed to be trying to present, as well as pretty much treated the show as if it really wasn't real and we were all stupid for believing it when "clearly" none of that would ever happen and it makes much more "sense" that Buffy's in an institution.
I would have happily loved the episode IF it had stopped with her choosing to stand up and save her friends, proving that that world was the real one. But instead they left it on this note that said "oh we're so cute, messing with you the viewers, making you second guess everything you've been watching for the past 6 years," and that just pissed me off to no end.
According to Joss, Asylum Buffy takes place in the Marvel universe. This Buffy is a cousin to Cyclops (Scott Summers).
But the X-men are fictional characters in the Slayerverse? I figure Scott was just talking about the short period in LA we see in the comic Slayer Interrupted.
Damn I didn't know that
That just means that both the Marvelverse and the Buffyverse are recursively linked one inside the other. How's that for a mindfuck?!
This is one I often forget about but love, because it puts our reality back into this world of demons. There are no super humans, just mental patients. Buffy is depressed here and was happy when she was dead, possibly because she was out of her own delusions. I think this episode is good food for thought.
Thank you... I was starting to go through withdrawals 💖
That episode must be one of the creepiest episodes of tv history because you don't know for sure if Buffy halluzinated or came actually back to her real life. Since this episodes there are two possibilities. On the one hand she fought against a deadly demon poison that tried to make her a killer but on the other hand she maybe lost the fight against a horrible desease that kept her in a dream world from which she will never awake again...
Joss: How Many People Break Your Brain To Solve The Enigma!
I managed to make them all fake!
EVIL LAUGH
this episode was such a mind fuck, especially since sick girl in institution makes so much more sense and is more realistic! I guess it's one of those things you need to decide for yourself. Might be just a vision and a trip, or a parallel reality...
So glad you reacted to this, my favorite episode.
small note on this episode: joss whedon intentionally left the ending open ended to let fans decide which reality was real. so as a fan you can entirely decide everything that happens in the show is the crazy imagination rambling of a psych patient.
You slightly misunderstood the ending, There's no "only one can live" or parallel dimensions.
"Asylum buffy" didn't die, they just "lost" her mentally she chose the fake reality, that scene was meant to leave the audience guessing which reality was true.. very similar to the ending of Shutter Island.
Ehm no..... we have two parallel Buffy that were are connected first.the decision of Slayer Buffy
Stop
uhm, whatever you tried to say, as incoherent as it was, is wrong.
It's not any sort of multi-verse or multi dimension or parallel buffys that are connected...
It's one person..
She's either a Slayer having delusions of being in an Asylum due to the poison,
Or she's a mental patient having delusions of being a Slayer for the entire series.
And the creators chose to put the last scene there to leave it open for the viewer to choose
The creator confirmed this many times and has said this:
"the episode is intentionally left open to interpretation; the actual cause of the delusions, either the poison or Buffy's return to "reality", is not made explicitly clear. "If the viewer wants," Whedon says, "the entire series takes place in the mind of a lunatic locked up somewhere in Los Angeles...""
Namely, Joss has imprisoned us in a riddle without a way out, we are in his power!
But I have collected enough clues to prove the reality of Sunnydale's world and so I'm sure of my version: D
THANK YOU TWB for reacting to that episode. Easily the most underrated episode in the series, arguably the most important storyline arc, and frustratingly the ONLY plotline that was never resolved. Such a good episode. Thank you!!!
Love this episode. Other shows have tried to replicate it(including Charmed), none have ever accomplished what Buffy has.
When I watch people react to Buffy, I always forget about this episode. I have such a love-hate relationship with it. I think it's a great episode, but at the same time it's mental torture for me. I hate everything that happens in it (or most of it), and what Buffy has to go through.
By the way, it wasn't included in your Buffy reaction playlist, like some others in season 6 (I guess I missed some from previous seasons too).
hey I like your analysis on that whole parallel universe theory 'cause there's always that fascinating idea that maybe none of that Vampire/Demon Slaying deal is even real and it's all in her head for many years... but she chose to stay with her friends who needed her the most. She couldn't find resolution with the death of her mother so I think this episode just gave her that chance and even the viewers that moment for Buffy to move on... or at least have one issue in her life somewhat resolved apart from the myriad of things that she's been through and struggling to overcome.
My headcanon is that the Buffy in the asylum is actually a psychic in an alternate universe that is mentally connected to and living life along with Show Buffy. Both Asylum Buffy and Show Buffy are real, the monster just let Show Buffy see the world of Asylum Buffy.
Yes, alternative Universe!
Or a phenomenal joke to fans!
Makes you wonder which reality is "normal".
I have a theory that it could be a memory from her past that has been manipulated by the Trio, into thinking she has been in that institute for 6 years, when really it was indeed less. Also, going back to manipulation, there are three people in that room with her inside the institute. So what if the trio represent both The Doctor & Buffys parents and its Warren pretending to be the doctor, Johnathan pretending to be Joyce and Andrew pretending to be her dad?? So, in other words, they were/are real, only the institute is a memory from her past, that has been re-imagined by the hallcination & demon?? Resulting in her really being the slayer, but the moment affected by demon. She remembers & accesses that memory which the trio use to manipulate to try & get rid of her by making out to her that she is in fact insane when she currently isnt. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
That my friend is what you call a mindfuck!
I have friends who were just casual friends of the show and still think this is the end of the show and Buffy was always crazy and it was all in her brain. It makes me want to head slap m
I'm really sorry for them!
They got fucked up by Josh and company!
EVIL LAUGH
Love you too. TY for reacting to this classic show!
One of my favorite episodes!
A mindfuck of an episode.
I remember seeing this episode on TV when it aired and it freaked me out so much.
OMG I CANT WAIT FOR THE NEXT FEW EPS
Hi! It's me again! I hope I don't bothered you with my comments, but it's just for helping you and make your work on Buffy perfect! You forgot to put this episode in your Buffy's playlist! ;)
Personally, I think Buffy could choose but it also shows how she was able to cope with her mom's death with the help of her friends
The last scene can be explained by Buffy still being infected as if it was a immediate follow up to her talk with the gang. Mind you I have not watched the episode in years so I am going off the scenes you showed and memory though...
I love the show. There trying to mind fuck with us. Was it real? Was it not?
WiseWillow It was said that the angel episode "I will Remember You" debunks the whole theory that she was really crazy. Since Angel was the only one with the memory of a day that never happened it wouldn't make sense that something that would be considered a figment in Buffy's mind remember something that buffy doesn't.
Unless Buffy is deluding herself into thinking she does not remember it and Angel remembering it is her delusion too. Human mind is a tricky thing - it can work on different layers and mess with our awareness and memory in ways that we can't even remember it.
WiseWillow, in 6x22 we see Buffy and Giles laughing to rethink this story, unless this is a decisive clue to this .....
Producers, actors etc laugh at those who have come up against the end of this episode!
Guys, stop mentioning the next episode. Even if it’s casual statements, just hold off. He’s getting to it soon.
KeyboardJunkie he finished watching the serie month ago.
He's watched all of these already, he films way in advance. Probably finished season 6, 3 months ago.
Happy to see you left the ending in, was wondering how you'd take that mindfuck.
This episode still fucks me up. I still wonder if she's been in an institution all along.
Can't wait for you to get to the end of this series. Seeing Red will blow you away.
Buffy Wikia discusses all this in great detail;
buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Asylum_Buffy
Personally I'm fine with it any way, Sunnydale is real and the Asylum is just an illusion, great. OR Asylum Buffy is real and the last episode of the series represents Buffy regaining her sanity once again after 7 years and going home to Joyce, Hank and all her friends from the Buffy movie, great. OR they're both real in parallel dimensions and Asylum Buffy can live like a normal person again after the last episode because of the events then and the affects it has on Sunnydale Buffy. Any way you cut it, it's a happy ending. Perhaps more interesting is SMG's cameo on her old soap opera All My Children in the final few eps;
ua-cam.com/video/3ms6v4PVYiI/v-deo.html
Guess someone forgot to take her meds today? Read a great fanfic on this one where Buffy is zapped by the bad guys and wakes up in bed with her husband, Ford from Lie to Me, pregnant with their third child with Joyce and Hank acting as babysitters. Meanwhile in the Slayer world Asylum Buffy has to adjust to fighting evil with Dawn and the Scoobies constantly having to convince her she isn't suffering a relapse.
Joss: How Many People Break Your Brain To Solve The Enigma!
I managed to make them all fake!
EVIL LAUGH
Also at the end, what Joyce says? It’s almost as though it’s what Joyce would say to Buffy in real life during s6 if she could comfort her and tell her she is strong and won’t be feeling depressed forever.
As much as I love this episode I was hoping you would give us seeing red this week.
Danniel Hernandez I
Normal Again was always my favorite episode, I’m glad you didn’t skip it. I don’t know if you’re going to try Angel one day, but if you do, you can’t skip the episode where Buffy follows faith to L.A. after she found out she slept with Reilly. I loved all of the dialogue between Buffy & faith in that episode. Angel & Buffy’s relationship also change a bit in that episode. There is a lot I would like to mention, but I don’t do spoilers.
My personal opinion is that this was a special episode designed to create fan-based debate!
In fact, I think it is not too difficult to understand what the only true "real" world is, and can be understood by many clues:
1) First, if the world of Sunnydale infested with vampires and demons was imaginary, Buffy would not be fooled by Xander at the end of the second season on Angel!
2) All that happens in the first crossover with Angel would not have been possible, and I add that the very existence of the TV series on the fascinating vampire is another clue to the choice made by our heroine!
3) And if it is not enough to remember the enormous amount of hackers, legends, spells and more that are constantly extrapolated from the many books owned by Mr.Giles and not only!
4) It is not enough yet to say that Buffy had "awakened" in the period of his death smelling "trap" (IT'S A TRAP !!!)
In short, we can safely wonder what the solution is, even without considering what I just wrote
SPOILER
, but the fact that at the end of the season, Buffy himself laughed, thinking back to this thought that he closed this story definitively!
I really do think both realities are real. Like different dimensions or something.
But post Chosen Asylum Buffy can live normally again?
After Chosen we have canonical comics who no longer mention this story, either or the two realities have come back definitively, or all this was just a trick to make the fans crazy XD
Or Buffy simply never wakes from her comatose state and everything that happens including the comics and all the other spin offs are happening in her head. We never see anything of the "real world" beyond the ending here, but presumably it continues spinning on as normal. Both realities can continue on without being mutually exclusive.
But yeah probably just supposed to make fans crazy.
I love this episode, At the time when it aired I thought it should have been the series finale, and still think it could have been a great way to end the show.
It did the Shutter Island open ended did it / didn't it happen 8 years before Shutter Island,.
Yeah. those last two or three minutes at the end...I was so hoping you had the same reaction as so many people. I was like....wait....what?! Oh, Damn you Joss Whedon and you whedonverse writers! Damn you all to hell for fucking with my brain. In fact, I think that's what they should have named this episode, MIND F#@%! lol
"Your shirt"
zabukazar why would you say that? 😭😭😭😭
TW Boy is gonna be reading these comments and be so damn scared before watching Seeing Red from all the shit we're vaguely saying lol
He's finished he whole show since a month lol. He just obviously has a schedule of when he's posting vids of the reactions. Smart, Can't be spoiled for him like that.
Just wanted to let you know your videos always make me feel better. (which sounds sort of stalky/creepy but isn't meant that way).
Oh nooo buffy's just crazy! o;
Haha that ending was a mind fuck lol
I`m sorry, please tell me you watch all episodes in a row? ))
You are soo near to the sesión 6 finally...i cant .....
You said the next episode is Seeing Red. .. but the next episode is Entropy...or have I missed something?
Linda Bold he doesn't do every episode
Love this episode....so good.
"these guys {the trio} are getting quite dark actually" BRO. FRIENDO. SAVE IT FOR THE PARTY. THE PARTY IS COMING TO YOU.
(SEE-ING-RED! SEE-ING-RED!)
(You actually have a nice dang face and I shouldn't enjoy seeing you cry but oh well, season six finale, let's go to pain-town 😁)
[next week shit's gonna go dowwwn]
(Also yah Dawn is kinda whiny.)
(And I gotta hope you react to all the remaining eps of season six. In seven you only need to do selfless, the killer in me and chosen really I think.)
Oh crap... back for seeing red... 😢
Ugh I wish he would react to Entropy so we can see his reaction to Spike and Anya…also Willow & Tara’s reunion 😭
Alternate dimensions, eh? What're ya gonna do?
It gets intense after this stay tuned.
this episode is a total mind fuck
Joss did it on purpose to mess with our heads
WATCH THE MOVIE FIRST!!! The watch the 7 seasons. THIS IS PSYCHOLOGICALLY SCARIEST THING I've ever seen, until Giles talks about this episode.
I watched them all like this, as Joss Whedon in his audio commentary to episode 1 (Welcome To The Hellmouth) said the show follows on from the movie in many respects.
Willow and Tara are end game... um... yeah... about that...
"Oh that's my phone! I have friends" LMFAO
when I rewatch the series I ALWAYS skip this episode it freaks me out
this episode isn't in the _buffy_ playlist.
I like how at the beginning of the episode you're acting all happy and then by the end of the episode you're what happened. I mean Dawn character made no sense at all to me she came out of nowhere and wasn't always well written. And why would Buffy's father just disappear and Buffy not know how do contact him. It brought up the age old question in the Buffy fandom was she a superhero or a schizophrenic girl living in her own mind? She was living in that world for a year was it heaven?
Joss: How Many People Break Your Brain To Solve The Enigma!
I managed to make them all fake!
EVIL LAUGH
Such a fucked up episode. Good that you reacted to it but I hope that doesn’t mean you’re missing one of the last four instead. Keep it up though :)
Watch stranger things second trailer for season 2
First
You're The First? You're not meant to be here til season 7.
NORMAL AGAIN SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE LAST EPISODE
*NORMAL AGAIN SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE LAST EPISODE*
Then again what message does that send, that a heroic girl like this is literally 'madness'?
MrLorenzovanmatterho no, it would just be cool
Absolutely no!
That was be a horrible final!!!
Dave L' Ammazzavampiri idk i like the "it was all a dream" and "it never happened" endings
But why?
It would have ruined the whole series!