On lines where you recover the Debtors with Diabellze instead of the toy box, you can use the debtors sending the set deception on your oponent turn for Sol, which is an additional layer of interaction that doesn't destroy
Is there a world where using Scourge of the White Forest is better than going into Reframing? I've been a huge fan of Scourge since it was printed. Still gives droplet and DRNM protection, while allowing you to keep playing the single coolest monster ever printed! Great video, thanks!
Scourge has the potential to be better all things considered, but you'd have to hard draw it (or already hard draw Tales of the White Forest so you can search Scourge with Silvy.) Same goes with Rciela, if you already have Iris you can search Scourge instead.
@@CanYouFelixTCG I think I value having Diabell on board with Scourge set more than going down the Iris line so I search it off of Rciela. Both are very solid options though to be fair. I also quite like having Scourge in hand going second to deal with various interactions, and to dodge targeting effects on my synchro monsters. This deck can do a lot of target dodging with the Tuner effects in grave spinning things back, as well as Scourge tributing for cost. Its quite fun! In saying that, I'm also running this as a Dark Magician / White Forest deck, so I'm not really maximizing potential in the first place by forcing the DM engine in there. Playing it "For Fun" while being as meta relevant as possible. Cool profile, subbed :)
@@ZackShearman I think if he’s made using an actual DM so he gets the pop, then there’s more of an argument for dedicating the 3 extra deck spaces required to summon him. Chaos Angel plus the mannadium omni is a worthy replacement though I guess. (One day, Dragoon will be properly viable in a DM deck. One day…)
@ I started out with a list that kamonygo made and he uses them all but I’m going to test yours probs this weekend because im fairly new to the game so its good to get different inputs but yea hopefully he does def a top 5 fav card of all time
@ To be honest I doubt I will fully settle on a build until Supreme Darkness comes out. Elzette of the Azamina (or whatever they’re going to call it) is borderline custom card level of support for white forest. It’s a cool archetype though and I enjoy playing it. Good luck at the weekend!
@@CanYouFelixTCG for sure!! And hopefully we get a couple more things after supreme but yea I just picked it up last week so still learning a lot but overall it seems really fun!! Appreciate the vids though they are helping me learn new things keep up the good work
@@ZackShearman As a new / newer player, what things are the hardest for you to get your head around? I started my channel with newer players in mind, as there's not loads of content for people inbetween the "complete and total beginner" and "what, you haven't even won a regional yet?" levels of player.
@@ImMicku It's a 4 card extra deck package and a 2 card main deck package, you just lose the rabbit, rcielago, i:p, and deep beyond (in the case of the profile) to have a self contained loop in rotation while putting up an extra negate(s) You also gain access to reframing through the standard combo with tuner + lacrima to get further value out of it.
@CanYouFelixTCG it's definitely a tech card, but it's lingering effect on summon is pretty much like threating roar. Since the zombie package needs you to make immortal anyway i thought might as well make this instead
@@CrisRullz I do like it, the only thing I don't like is that you need to make it on their turn. We can do that with woes easily enough, if we get to woes. Good shout though!
@ Absolutely. I love this archetype, but I’m under no illusions that it won’t be full strength until SUDA. Post SUDA I think it will be a real contender, because there will finally be a proper bridge for the Aza/WF engines.
@@Interstellar_President_Pat I actually think FS White Forest might be the best variant this format (CRBR) at least until SUDA comes. The FS engine soaks up pressure/baits hand traps without committing a normal summon, then you can hopefully resolve a WF monster and go full combo from there. Not only that, they can actually combo into each other too. (SUDA is game changing for WF though, we just need to hang in there until then!)
Question: Any reason you’re using iris over diabel (illusion one?) it’s a light you can search which will have a sinful spoilt in grave to summon itself from hand and does the same as iris?
@@mikeyplayz_2193 Soft once per turn, fresh copy of toy box is a new copy of toy box, so isn’t the same card. People are sleeping on how broken the toy box engine is for decks that properly synergise with it (which is admittedly a small list for now.)
@@mikeyplayz_2193 All good! If you look at the wording of toy soldier it says: you can only use each of the following effects of “Toy Soldier” once per turn. In comparison, toy box says “this card”, rather than “toy box”. It’s a small detail, but is the difference between hard once per turn and soft once per turn.
@@nrjgecko1408 The cross out package from side deck can be in the main rather than side, that’s down to personal preference. Droll/Shifter/Fuwa are the main cross out targets.
@@nrjgecko1408 The cross out package from side deck can be in the main rather than side, that’s down to personal preference. Droll/Shifter/Fuwa are the main cross out targets.
On lines where you recover the Debtors with Diabellze instead of the toy box, you can use the debtors sending the set deception on your oponent turn for Sol, which is an additional layer of interaction that doesn't destroy
Is there a world where using Scourge of the White Forest is better than going into Reframing? I've been a huge fan of Scourge since it was printed. Still gives droplet and DRNM protection, while allowing you to keep playing the single coolest monster ever printed! Great video, thanks!
Scourge has the potential to be better all things considered, but you'd have to hard draw it (or already hard draw Tales of the White Forest so you can search Scourge with Silvy.) Same goes with Rciela, if you already have Iris you can search Scourge instead.
@@CanYouFelixTCG I think I value having Diabell on board with Scourge set more than going down the Iris line so I search it off of Rciela. Both are very solid options though to be fair. I also quite like having Scourge in hand going second to deal with various interactions, and to dodge targeting effects on my synchro monsters. This deck can do a lot of target dodging with the Tuner effects in grave spinning things back, as well as Scourge tributing for cost. Its quite fun!
In saying that, I'm also running this as a Dark Magician / White Forest deck, so I'm not really maximizing potential in the first place by forcing the DM engine in there. Playing it "For Fun" while being as meta relevant as possible. Cool profile, subbed :)
@@matmontani Appreciate it!
Thanks , so clean bro
Good luck at your regional!
Just recently picked this deck up and I’ve been really enjoying it so far! But it was so sad to see dragoon go on your list
@@ZackShearman I think if he’s made using an actual DM so he gets the pop, then there’s more of an argument for dedicating the 3 extra deck spaces required to summon him. Chaos Angel plus the mannadium omni is a worthy replacement though I guess. (One day, Dragoon will be properly viable in a DM deck. One day…)
@ I started out with a list that kamonygo made and he uses them all but I’m going to test yours probs this weekend because im fairly new to the game so its good to get different inputs but yea hopefully he does def a top 5 fav card of all time
@ To be honest I doubt I will fully settle on a build until Supreme Darkness comes out. Elzette of the Azamina (or whatever they’re going to call it) is borderline custom card level of support for white forest. It’s a cool archetype though and I enjoy playing it. Good luck at the weekend!
@@CanYouFelixTCG for sure!! And hopefully we get a couple more things after supreme but yea I just picked it up last week so still learning a lot but overall it seems really fun!! Appreciate the vids though they are helping me learn new things keep up the good work
@@ZackShearman As a new / newer player, what things are the hardest for you to get your head around? I started my channel with newer players in mind, as there's not loads of content for people inbetween the "complete and total beginner" and "what, you haven't even won a regional yet?" levels of player.
great video!
@@jacopocianfoni1622 Appreciate it!
You can also use a Fiendsmiith line to avoid using chaos angel so early while gaining another negation effect.
That is true but I have found that fiendsmith takes up way too much space from the ED
@@ImMicku It's a 4 card extra deck package and a 2 card main deck package, you just lose the rabbit, rcielago, i:p, and deep beyond (in the case of the profile) to have a self contained loop in rotation while putting up an extra negate(s)
You also gain access to reframing through the standard combo with tuner + lacrima to get further value out of it.
@@Nuckfevin Which 2 MD? Running ONLY Engraver and Lacrima makes Engraver a brick on hand also yeah, 4 ED spots are sort of a big commitment
2:59 is toy box a soft once per turn......
Yes, so when we recycle a fresh copy with Diabell we get to use it again.
powered inzektron is an interesting card versus tenpai and its just 1 instead of 3
@@CrisRullz I’ll admit - never heard of it until right this moment! Will check it out, thank you.
@CanYouFelixTCG it's definitely a tech card, but it's lingering effect on summon is pretty much like threating roar. Since the zombie package needs you to make immortal anyway i thought might as well make this instead
@@CrisRullz I do like it, the only thing I don't like is that you need to make it on their turn. We can do that with woes easily enough, if we get to woes. Good shout though!
@@CanYouFelixTCG yeah usually it will need zapper shrimp at which point silvera might be enough anyway, but it's an option in general
@ Absolutely. I love this archetype, but I’m under no illusions that it won’t be full strength until SUDA. Post SUDA I think it will be a real contender, because there will finally be a proper bridge for the Aza/WF engines.
Nice
What’s your opinion on this variant vs Runick variant?? I’m unsure what direction I’d like to take. (Considering the upcoming Supreme Darkness)
Currently testing runick WF, good timing!
@ ima be on the lookout to your findings! Just saw the upcoming cards from SupremeD & they look pretty neat 🤔
Are you no longer playing the fiendsmith package?
@@Interstellar_President_Pat I actually think FS White Forest might be the best variant this format (CRBR) at least until SUDA comes. The FS engine soaks up pressure/baits hand traps without committing a normal summon, then you can hopefully resolve a WF monster and go full combo from there. Not only that, they can actually combo into each other too.
(SUDA is game changing for WF though, we just need to hang in there until then!)
Question:
Any reason you’re using iris over diabel (illusion one?) it’s a light you can search which will have a sinful spoilt in grave to summon itself from hand and does the same as iris?
@@BJYGO Rciela can search Iris Swordsoul, but not Diabelleze.
@ helps if I read that makes sense! Thought it was just light whoopsie
@@BJYGO Happens to the best of us ^_^
You can use toy box effect twice? Isn’t it a once per
@@mikeyplayz_2193 Soft once per turn, fresh copy of toy box is a new copy of toy box, so isn’t the same card. People are sleeping on how broken the toy box engine is for decks that properly synergise with it (which is admittedly a small list for now.)
@ didn’t know that thank you
@@mikeyplayz_2193 All good! If you look at the wording of toy soldier it says: you can only use each of the following effects of “Toy Soldier” once per turn. In comparison, toy box says “this card”, rather than “toy box”. It’s a small detail, but is the difference between hard once per turn and soft once per turn.
Plan vs droll?
@@nrjgecko1408 The cross out package from side deck can be in the main rather than side, that’s down to personal preference. Droll/Shifter/Fuwa are the main cross out targets.
Plan vs shifter ?
@@nrjgecko1408 The cross out package from side deck can be in the main rather than side, that’s down to personal preference. Droll/Shifter/Fuwa are the main cross out targets.