Thrustmaster's Ferrari branded Direct Drive wheelbase | First Impressions | T818 SF1000
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- Cool wheelbase... Ferrari?
Does this 10Nm DD have what it takes or have we all been waiting for nothing? At $1100 this wheelbase costs less than some competitors charge for similar wheel rims alone. As an ex TS-PC Racer owner, I'm excited about this one! Grab a cuppa and I'll see you in the comments section!
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Start: 0:00
Unboxing: 0:32
Wheelbase: 1:52
SF1000 Steering Wheel: 4:33
Installation: 10:26
In the rig: 11:11
Quick Release close up: 13:18
Software: 14:34
First drive: 17:48
Updating Wheel Firmware: 21:05
Summary: 22:52
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Unimpressed. Looks good, I like that they allow for compatibility with their old gear but that's where the positives end. For the money, there's far better products out there. I hope they get it together for any future products.
Yeah it’s at a stage where just having DD doesn’t impress us as much anymore. It’s a good product and the price is decent. But I don’t know where it would sit on my recommendations list unless someone was an f1 game fan and a Ferrari nut
@@LaurenceDusoswa Tbh stickers exist you could slap em on a Moza or Fanatec product to cure your fave team fix.
Software note: As noted in the summary, The apps don't seem to be installed on my PC as you would expect. I'm not sure why this is, but it seems like the wheelbase is functioning as expected and that this issue is isolated to my PC.
You need to type control panel to find it, if you type thrustmaster you won’t find it. This has been a thing for as long as I remember
@@bobarijyes this!
I bought that SF1000 together with a T300 and I had no issue installing it. I followed the instructions which get delivered with the steering wheel and all worked well.
The only issue I had or have with it is it losing the Force Feedback connection with the F1 23 game. I have to unplug and replug it when that happens.
Thats really a pain but other than that, I am super happy with it and it is my 700€ worth it :)
That's F1 23 issue. It happens to my wheel base as well. You have to go to the controller setting and disable/enable the wheel. Another EA BS!
Sucks to hear you had problems with setup. I came from Thrustmaster myself and still own a TX Leather. Was hoping for them to release a great grab and go DD wheel. Looks like they are trying to make a wheel that works like their older models, but DD wheels just require so much more. Hopefully they can get the software up to par and get back to greatness.
If I was an existing TM owner, This wheelbase would make perfect sense though. No need to buy new wheels, just a few quick releases. The wheelbase is good and very good value in my view
Nobody talks about the lack of din port for the sim hub and shifter/hand brake. Is there a way to hook them up or are we stuck running usb cables?
Tighten the quick release adapter with a strap wrench until it bottoms out. If you can loosen it with your hand, then it's not tight enough.
I did… wheel rim between my knees and both hands tightening the collar until it won’t budge anymore.
I feel that Thrustmasters should've release wheels specifically designed for DD. It seems that the old wheels and the DD wheelbase are on different system/hardware designs. Hopefully things improve when DD wheels are released. I wonder how the T818 compare with the Logitech G Pro.
It’s difficult to keep the compatibility model going for sure. But while using this wheel I didn’t have any QR issues
Given the feedback, the logitech is much better.
Hey Lawrence, would you say that the Thrustmaster’s quick release is a tad but worse in terms of overall rigidity? I saw your Asetek dd review as well and that QR looked a lot more stable than this.
I personally prefer an NRG style QR. What do you think about it?
While driving it didn't impact me. But the flex will be interesting to monitor over time. I'm also going to have to put that screw in and try again. The Asetek QR, I haven't used the latest one so cannot comment. The Asetek QR that I had definitely had less flex than this.
Man I had my eye on this for a while but I can feel your disappointment in this one big time!!
FWIW I have the same TX and "old" Ferrari open wheel you speak about. It's great that the middle dials do something now but the screen firmware is bonkers. Also, TM software on the PC is impossible to find. I know those issues you are having too. If I want to open the TM control panel I need to search "panel" which is not what you would expect.
At over a grand, this would have been a huge leap of faith but I think for DD it might be wiser for me to not get the wheelbase and adapter for old rims. The old TX + F1 wheel I have also flexes in the same way when static but I don't think it affects me in the race tbh - that of course is non-DD so things might be different with the DD
Thanks so much for the great comment. I thought it would be slightly better too than with my TS-PC racer
I have 5 Thrustmaster rims. I really don't want to dump them at a loss to buy into the Fanatec ecosystem to get DD particularly as some of the rims I've spent time and money customising but I can't get excited for the T818. With Fanatec now doing a DD (only 5nm but you can go to 8nm), pedals and rim for €443 shipped to Ireland I don't know where the T818 base alone at €650 shipped fits in to the market.
I do love that its made in France and I want to support European companies and production but they need to up their rim quality in the low-mid range to compete with Fanatec & Moza with better bracing on the rims at the QR to rim junction to handle a DD's torgue. Also TM if you are going to have an RGB strip on a wheelbase for the love of god let us use it as a rev indicator and don't hide it behind the rim. Its a racing wheelbase lads. Their software for racing is also straight from 2005. Laurence just be glad you aren't using their HOTAS's (which I have and love) as their Target software looks like its from 1984. TM just ask the community to make you a new UI and watch them makes things much better in a month.
At €650 I think the wheelbase alone is great value. It’s more powerful than a CSL DD and also has more detail. If you have the rims already, it’s a no brainier for me
@@LaurenceDusoswa Simagic mini costs less and the thrustmaster steering wheels are adaptable to usb for pc.
Simagic mini will have no flex problem, it is more powerful (13 nm in peak) than the 818, it also has real settings for vehicles and is less complicated to install.... why go back to age Stone ??
That's the question!!
And I think that's what you thought and shocked you into trying, because over the last few years you've been trying out up-to-date hardware....which doesn't seem to be the case for you. thrustmaster!!
Did you end up using the screw after all? It’s a bit overkill with the screw, right?
Hey, Laurence! In the review would you consider making a head to head comparison with the Logitech Pro Wheel? Reasons:
1) There's always the looming hope of Thrustmaster supporting consoles in the future
2) First foray of the two companies in the DD market
3) the world is wide and the simracing scene is niche. You'd be surprised on how much of a "deal" the Logitech Pro Wheel can be relatively to importing a similar (in specs) Fanatec kit in some markets. This is a follow-up to the two previous points
4) being marketed as a proper entry point for the DD market, coverage for this wheel base, Logitech's, and the Famatec DD Pro all fall into the same pitfall of "you feel every bump and detail". So there's nothing setting those experiences apart, FFB wise? 🤔
Thanks and loved the raw impressions! Felt refreshing.
Purely force feedback, the Logitech has a lot more power than the Thrustmaster. But it’s early days still. Thrustmaster has lots of compatible wheel rims which Logitech doesn’t
@@LaurenceDusoswa Did you put the T818 in Performance mode?
Hi I have just got this wheel and base. I am having problems with getting the paddles, buttons and screen to work. I guess I am missing something. I have taken off the paddles and directly connected the wheel to my PC and have updated the firmware. At the moment the direct drive base works perfectly and with my old wheel fitted all it's buttons and paddles work on the new base. I will try again to get the screen, paddles and buttons working on the new wheel. But it's frustrating. Best wishes Brian.
My experience with ThrustMaster flight sticks is plug and play(They break after a while but still not a bad choice for beginners.) like why is there softwear involved at all?
force feedback is a complex beast. Different sims have different characteristics. Ideally we wouldn't need any software, I agree, but that's not realistic unfortunately.
Can’t wait for long term
Update on this. The flex I have seems to be excessive and I'm sending my unit back to TM for them to diagnose.
@@LaurenceDusoswa unfortunate for sure. Hopefully the driving experience is redeemed once it comes back
Update to this had a t818 for a year now, very little flex apart from my sparco 310 which isn't the most rigid to begin with.
But it unnatural flex in the rim itself not the base unit
@@fil_lokka yeah you can tell everything wasn’t built for that level of ffb. That’s why I sold my T300 and SF1000
@@apexvisiontv hopefully the new wheel rims are up to the job , my open wheel and 28" round Ferrari wheel do the job , just the sparco . Thrust master are playing catch up to the likes of moza , time will tell
I literally only bought this because it’s red. I have a lot of thrustmaster products but I really wanted the ps5 support. However, i have pc with plenty of pc games, we’ll see how it goes. I’ll keep the tgt2 for the ps5, this for pc
hahaha it's a decent bit of kit though
i have the sf1000 wheel, the buttons on the right side have lost there stickers and the right hand grip has start to come away at the seam, i purchased the wheel as an add-on, bit disappointed for £280 :(
Usb controller search on your pc is what solves half the issues if the manual bootloader option doesn't work, not even going to get into manually uninstalling old firmware to install new ones...
Took me a good long while to update my stuff the last time... It really should just be.
1. Plug in wheel/base
2. It auto opens the app
3. It detects if it needs and update.
4. It sources the update, you click update and it's done.
It really shouldn't be any more difficult.
Thrustmaster need to fix it/update things to be more streamlined and intuitive.
More than 10 years and they haven't done it .... I believe that like many American companies, they will not think for a second to question themselves.
They didn't even try to learn from their competitors, it's edifying
Yeah it was painful :( thanks for the great comment
It's a weird one for sure
Why wouldnt you use the Manual Guide to setup the wheel..
I've had so many issues with my TS-XW and T-LCM pedals in regards to working with Windows 11.. The lack of software and the firmware is so cumbersome.
I'm still on Windows 10 for that reason. Not TM specific, but just in general
yes, it sucks that the Thrustmaster "program" is this dated, for a product like that i would also be very annoyed to deal with all of that.
It’s a pretty entry level experience. Which is a shame for a wheelbase with pretty good ffb
How much of the price is Ferrari badge tax?
I actually think it's pretty cheap for a branded product :p
I’m a TM fan through and through and was waiting for they’re realise if they’re new DD wheel and was hoping I’d jump to that but this is absolutely disappointing…..Moza is calling my name
Picture it with a cheaper rim like the open wheel rim. It would be very affordable. This steering wheel costs as much as the base nearly.
That being said, MOZA has a great lineup.
T818 Ferrari v TS500 is what I want to watch.. We all know that TS500 is old now but it’s Thrustmaster last DD base stand where all new wheels attach themselves to, so why no comparison video between the new 818 and the 500? But just after watching the entire review with the SF1000 and the new wheel bases I think I’ll stick to upgrading to the Fanatec
I got this set too. Wow you got a lot of play with your wheel, but I don't have that?
I think there might be an issue with mine to be honest
It's weird. Some guys have had no flex. Others have. I think you need to make it as tight as possible and also use the dreaded screw.
yeah maybe the screw is needed but honestly that just gives me the ick :p I also think that I put considerable force on it. I'm a big guy and quite used to lots of FFB
I have very little flex, way less than what is shown in the video. For me the little flex I got is not coming from the quick release, but from the shaft inside the DD unit, so a new "native wheel" won't do much. And yeah, they made this stuff way too complicated.
Try typing TM Firmware for the app when searching
Yep, I did :D I believe I even showed that in this video. Either way, it's nowhere to be found
FACCCCK, sorry mate I had the same issues with my TM Warthog gear. Then when researching DD's I found you. I don't know what happened at Thrustmaster, it's like they just don't care about quality or reliability anymore. The materials an build quality have changed drastically since I got my HOTAS.
Ok thanks, I was going to buy the wheel, but I don't want to mess with all the tech stuff. I'd never get it working.
Yeah it's not as seamless at the logitech. That has been the easiest and smoothest software experience so far.
with the wheel display, only some games such as f1 23 support the screen, my t248 is like that also, ive looked for ways to have the screen supported but no success
(looked for support with assetto corsa)
It works fine with ACC and I got some telemetry in iracing too
Hello, is it better compared to an alpha mini? Does it have as much strength as the alpha mini? Do you think 10 Nm is enough or do you have to go to 15Nm?
As a Mini owner but had not had my hands on the T818, 10Nm for me is plenty, the mini also tests IRL at around 13Nm. I run mine at 40-60% in most games, never going above 80%. However I’m not 6’4 and 200lbs, so take it how you will!
@@theslybacon Thank you for the comment, I understand that the t818 should have a peak of more than 10Nm like the alpha mini. It would be enough but I want to put a 35cm ring and that makes me lose a lot of response strength and also that I'm a fan of the gym 😄
The alpha mini is better value and a better ffb experience I think.
@@LaurenceDusoswa Thank you, I had doubts, I know that the Alpha mini is good and the t818 still having 10Nm sustained like the alpha does not get the same experience for now, Now I want to see your assessment of the new asetek the premium 😍 I think it's the fantastic base!
Is this base only compatible with the SF1000 wheel?
I also have the sparco rally mod. It works just fine.
Hi I just thought I would let you know that it is working all as it should. I had got all the tech stuff done right, but have you heard the old joke , have you turned the computer off and back on again, this morning I did that and everything lights up and the paddles and all the buttons work fine. Thanks and my very best wishes Brian aka g0rlbm.
Looks like you didn’t screw the QR enough the hole for the screw should be at the bottom and not on the side like we see. So the flex is more pronounce like that
I tried many configurations and after sending video footage to Thrustmaster they identified a manufacturing flaw in the batch of wheels that this one belongs to.
@@LaurenceDusoswa oh that’s why some report flex and other not, mine is fine. Thank you
with thrustmaster firmware you have to adjust before starting the sim or it doesnt apply it in game always. you can also upgrade the firmware without all that usb stuff.
I just followed the manual. I'm not sure how you'd upgrade without the USB cable. surely if you could, they'd suggest it.
You know your boy had to be first as always😂😂
Always :D
What games are compatible with the wheel? Is forza compatible on PC? Is the base compatible with PS4/5?
I don’t have a full compatibility list. It is currently definitely NOT console compatible though
@@LaurenceDusoswa That is a real pity, I would have purchase it Since I love the wheel, I guess I would need to live with a T-GT 2
Yap! Updating Thrustmaster is a big pain!😂
it's never easy and once you know, it's not THAT bad. but needing to release bolts to access the usb port on the steering wheel sucked. Especially as I hadn't even used the thing yet!
If a user is not already in the thrustmaster "ecosystem" - is this one even on their radar?
I went from G923 wheel/pedals/shifter to VRS base, SRC wheel, SHH shifter and Fanatec pedals.
The word ecosystem seems like a trap to me. Would the 818 have a better QR if it didnt have to be backwards compatible with their ecosystem?
Totally agree .
In wanting to lock their customers into this ecosystem, thrustmaster has digged its own grave ... especially by remaining in the mid-range, because if you look closely at this construction, it is everything, but certainly not high-end.
In addition, there are starting to be returns, with problems attaching the Quick Release to the base .... some sets are unusable
It's a good point. I feel like this particular product is also a little snookered. It's PC only, very formula specific and if you're not a Ferrari fan, would you want the logo staring at you all the time?
Ah that's sad to hear. I really want them to do this properly
I only have 1 thing to say. Whats The Craic !!!!! :)
The craic is 90
Thanks ...I stopped watching at the sloppy fit of the quick release. Ridiculous ...the subtle feel & nuance that DD wheels are famous for would be lost in the flopping I fear.
It’s not noticeable while driving. I have a lot of DD experience
Just returned mine. Going simagic fx pro wheel and alpha base.
Tm, looks great feels great and absolutely garbage software. Screen was cutting out and resetting to default screen constantly after first week... Reddit shows users have same problem. Apparent tm knows but not going to rely on tm to fix and returned to store for refund.
Controls and displays are extremely limited .
great info. Thanks for commenting.
set the base to performance
Yep I tried that and extreme too. Extreme was shite. Performance seems to be the best. There’s nothing wrong with the FFB to be fair. It’s good.
@@LaurenceDusoswa sweet ~ performance is the best
The amount of flex that the wheel is having is ridiculous 🤦😅
yep. apparently the screw will help but you're literally burrowing into hard plastic with that screw. seems so old school. And to be honest I didn't notice the flex while driving
I would not pay that for it sound like half done Fanatec now there software is spot on and there stuff works so easy and cheaper for a DDW then this
Fanatec's software is definitely better. It was way less painful with the CSL DD. That being said, the quality is far higher than what I have experienced with Fanatec to date.
I think they need to go back and look at the item it might look better meaning the wheel but if its not got the rest there is better items out there with the full package
pround thrustmaster t248 owner only thing i wish was better was a software similar to logitechs
NICE! Yeah I loved my TM gear before I had my YT channel
@@LaurenceDusoswa this is my 2nd thrustmaster wheel, my TMX lasted me around 4 years which was quite nice, ive also got the shifter, i just wish that the t248 had a quick release like the T300RS which is a similar price often
0:38 everyone is a ferrari fan😉
Everyone loves a ferrari. But I'm not sure they want a ferrari badge staring at them while driving an MX5 :p
Wish more reviews were way more harsh on these companies when they make expensive products and give you trash software and learned nothing from other company's. I still feel that moza simagic simicube and asitek are the top for quality and 2 of these companies actually give you straight forward software and better Qual hardware at an affordable price. I thin the quick release is a big part of a good wheel base because for the money you should beable to add and mod things for a more unlimited ecosystem such as all these companies I mentioned do wether it is thr D1 Qr the simagic and moza use and absolutely love and think it's what all sim wheel bases should use due to simplicity and how solid and abundant they are and proven over years or the proprietary way simicube and asitek work. This thrustmaster is kinda insulting to the money you pay. I do own a simagic alpha u and had a moza R9 prior.
My goal isn’t to be harsh but I expect a nice experience for my money. I need to see it through the eyes of a customer.
the screen isnt compatible with all games which includes assetto corsa
OM*G... i can't believe what i show!
hahah which part?
When i use two fingers.. no problem.. thats what she said...
How does this 6k paddy get a free thrustie.. i give my left testie for a dd!!! And sf1000
6k paddy. Cheers. It’s really simple, just start a UA-cam channel, spend 40 hours per video, earn €20 per video (from UA-cam ads) and after 3 years Thrustmaster will agree to send you products for review.
If thrustamster would do standalone usb wheel they would kill it
Base is way to expensive
The base is a reasonable price for 10Nm i think. I also think that USB wheels are dying. Wireless is the way forward
You didnt put the screw in
I did after. Made very little difference
@@LaurenceDusoswa glad I bought the Logitech that would wind me up
You need to use your mobile phone for the wifi🙂👍🛻
Mine worked without my phone too
I’m worried this wheel will lead to poor race strategy. Just kidding mate! Love your videos. But seriously, Ferrari needs help
hahahaha I did constantly end up on the wrong tyres
It is sad that Thrustmaster has a great app for their e-swap joypads and the same crappy 2008 Windows XP looking app for their DD wheel. It's clear where their priorities are.
That's interesting yeah
RTFM please
How do you think I upgraded the firmware and all that 😂🤣
What do you mean if you're not a Ferrari fan? Everyone is a Ferrari fan.
Errrrrm….
My man I feel like you should go back to a basic wheel if you do t want to set it up the right way I mean why would you not read the manual right off and having to update everything seems pretty slandered I mean why would they load all that on there and then release updates for it I mean give it to people slandered they update it and bring it up to whatever is the most recent just saying good video but stop complaining that you cut corners during the set up and had to go back to do it the right way maybe would have been a better experience if you read the manual right away
How do you think I got it all working? Of course I read the setup instructions. But there are serious issues with it all, as described. I don’t now what you mean by ‘slandered’ either. You shouldn’t need to study before plugging in and setting up a wheelbase. If you spend over 1k on something it should be an easy and pleasant experience.
Is Thrustmaster trash compared to Fanatec?
FFB is great. But Fanatec and TM are both budget offerings that come with compromises unfortunately
@@LaurenceDusoswa I just bought TM TS TX Racer with the Ferrari SF1000 wheel for the Xbox today and bitterly dissapointed. To make all the telemetry work on that wheel took 4 hours and a lot of reddit reading. Playing older games none of the buttons can be configured properly. 100s of buttons but cant be used. What a piece of trash
Wow .. This Thrustmaster wheelbase look so cheap compared to Alpha Mini
It definitely is a very different product
If you play on a console, the DD pro is the only viable option. These wheel bases are garbage.
If you’re getting into sim racing just buy a T300 or a G29 until you start liking it then upgrade directly to a DD Pro or a DD1 that will give you longevity as you transition to PC.
Once there a whole world opens up to you but for me the best options would be a Simcube pro and a pair of Hus Ultimates and you’re set for life.
pretty sound advice, I can't argue with it really
@@LaurenceDusoswa these companies trying to capitalise on the DD market only had one option. Instead of trying to compete with Fanatec by introducing an inferior product at a comparable price point they should have focused on building a superior product at a higher price point than fanatec, open up the wheel/pedal eco system and focus solely on the console market. I believe it’s called differentiation…..execs don’t know what they’re doing.
These are just more expensive toys
Meh, I’ll stick with my SC2 Pro:)
No need to 'upgrade' from that :p
Очень разочарован в Thrustmaster. Могли бы в данном бандле сделать специальную ревизию рулей с новым QR, но нет, хлипкий переходник засунули...
Omg turn the power down in game dampers give the wheel more weight not less. U should really watch another review so u can learn how to even if i was a new customer to thrust master i would watch and learn as much as i could instead of trying to figure everything out myself. So i will go ahead and take this hassle off ur hands ty
My damper was on 0 😂 I only turned it up to see if it would reduce the bouncing of the rim. Please watch the video properly.
I study the manuals for my long term reviews. This is just a first impressions video following the typical routine for the average buyer. I admire your discipline but most don’t bother
Perhaps you should have read the manual, most of your problems would have been solved
They wouldn’t. These are long term problems for me. Also,TM even replaced my wheelbase and acknowledged a hardware fault with the steering shaft.
If you read the manual, it can come across as if the video is just telling people facts about the product when in reality very few people read the manual. It’s just the format of my videos. It thanks for watching.
Unimpressed. Very clumsy way of releasing a product for €1100 and ain’t properly working. Is written off for me.
The wheelbase is impressive though. Maybe that was lost in this video
Meh.
hahaha