Thank you once again for making my request and using my audio for Mirandese! Just to clarify to you all that Mirandese is not a mix between Portuguese and Spanish, it comes from Old Astur-Leonese, and it’s most similar relative is the Astur-Leonese language!
Hey Andy! I was looking forward to this! Thank you so much, you were finally able to find a native of Portugal's hidden language, "Mirandese"! Muito obrigado pelo teu trabalho, como sempre, e até ao próximo vídeo! :)
@@M_dMV não se separou, é a mesma lingua, o occitano falado na espanha não vai deixar de ser occitano, o catalão falado na Francia não vai deixar de ser catalão
is that still the case if you also count spanish creole speakers for the spanish total? I know that there arent quite as many spanish creoles as there are portuguese ones, and also like, there's a lot of overlap right?
@@HiimIny was thinking the same thing. Even the Papiamento language of Aruba, Bonaire, & Curaçao are debated among linguistic experts on whether or not it’s a Spanish Creole or a Portuguese Creole since there’s a huge overlap of both similarities in their language.
O Mirandês nos números não usou o fonema chiado para os "s" finais, usou um fonema constantemente confundido que é o /ς/, mesmo fonema para a letra sigma no grego. Esse fonema é extremamente comum no português do interior de Portugal e em certas zonas de Espanha.
@@RicardoBaptista33 Não é mirandês é no norte (junto à Galiza e terras Leão), foi com essa fala que eu e muitos como eu usava-mos cando chegamos à escola à mais de 50 anos
@@SinarNilaMirandese is a dialect of Asturleonese that is a West iberian language The same group to which Portuguese and Spanish belong. Although it varies according to the region the Mirandese for obvious reasons has suffered influences from Portuguese and Asturian and Leonese influences from Spanish.
I love how Castilians, Portuguese, Galicians, Leonese, and Mirandise have convinced themselves they are speaking different languages when they are just speaking dialects without standard spelling of the same language. If there wasn't so much political nonsense involved they would admit it. But most of them are convinced that these slightly different pronunciations are somehow different languages.
I love how random people who ain't even from Iberia have convinced themselves they know better of someone's language than the very speakers of it. The "same language" doesn't have a standard spelling because the "same language" doesn't exist, unlike Catalan, Castilian, Galician, Portuguese and etc. that are actually a languages and in fact have vocabularies and grammars written down in books centuries before even English had it's own. I speak both Catalan and Spanish and I think it gets pretty much a different language when the pronunciation, vocabulary and even rules of accentuation and etc are different. The thing is that most of these languages are either Occitano-Romance or Ibero-Romance, so of course they're similar. I think I see what happens here: It's hard to imagine for an english person that a country like Spain or Portugal remains united with so many languages and cultures, but yeah, plurinationality exists. In fact, a thing similar to this happens in the UK for example: While I doubt you know about it, there's a language called "Scottish" (Non-Gaelic) that's very similar to English, but not the same. I mean, I would understand if you said this about Occitan and Catalan, but about Mirandese and Spanish? Hell nah.
And they all for centuries have geared their languages to become even more different from each other for political reasons. If you listen to Galician-Portuguese and old Spanish you will see that they were even more similar to each other than modern Portuguese is similar to modern Spanish
Thank you once again for making my request and using my audio for Mirandese! Just to clarify to you all that Mirandese is not a mix between Portuguese and Spanish, it comes from Old Astur-Leonese, and it’s most similar relative is the Astur-Leonese language!
@@afjo972lemme guess.. you tried to contact them and it didnt work? 😑
@@SinarNila Mirandese is Leonese branch, not Portuguese. It is only IN Portugal, is not related to that language.
@@SinarNila Breaking News: Random non-mirandese person rewrites history of all iberian languages cuz he wants to
@@0linde Está. Leonês e galego-português são 2 romances ibéricos ocidentais.
Finalmente! Muito obrigado Andy!
Hey Andy! I was looking forward to this! Thank you so much, you were finally able to find a native of Portugal's hidden language, "Mirandese"! Muito obrigado pelo teu trabalho, como sempre, e até ao próximo vídeo! :)
I was the Mirandese speaker, you’re welcome 😄
Queremos mais informações sobre essa língua tão interessante
chama-se asturiano, o mirandes é um dialeto, ja tem muita informação em youtube
@@frms7571Mirandes já se separou do astur-leones há muito
@@M_dMVO basco falado em Vizcaya não é por exemplo o mesmo do que se fala no País Basco francês.
@@M_dMV não se separou, é a mesma lingua, o occitano falado na espanha não vai deixar de ser occitano, o catalão falado na Francia não vai deixar de ser catalão
@@frms7571separou-se sim, não é por causa da separação politica, nunca disse que era, mas é devido a isolacao.
Mirandese is very beautiful. Would love to learn it
Thank you! Muito grato!
We're all thinking it
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@@AEAG9YT_ Mira in dese nuts
Oh no
Is Mirandese a dialect of the Leonese language?
@@SinarNila asturian and leonese are both the same language group: astur-leonese
@@SinarNila you're just so wrong...
Nice parring.
Se incluirmos crioulos, o português tem mais falantes ativos em todo o mundo do que o espanhol. Viva o português
is that still the case if you also count spanish creole speakers for the spanish total?
I know that there arent quite as many spanish creoles as there are portuguese ones, and also like, there's a lot of overlap right?
@@HiimIny was thinking the same thing. Even the Papiamento language of Aruba, Bonaire, & Curaçao are debated among linguistic experts on whether or not it’s a Spanish Creole or a Portuguese Creole since there’s a huge overlap of both similarities in their language.
O português não tem mais falantes ativos do que o espanhol, com os crioulos ou sem eles.
Mirandês não é um crioulo…
Y?
Mirandês é uma lingua linda!
plz make a video on marathi language. i am a marathi speaker and it is an indian language
Please make video on hazaragi dialect of Persian language 🙏🙏
I need a volunteer!
Um-he, dous, trêsh, catro, cinque, seish, sete, outo, nobe, desh
O Mirandês nos números não usou o fonema chiado para os "s" finais, usou um fonema constantemente confundido que é o /ς/, mesmo fonema para a letra sigma no grego.
Esse fonema é extremamente comum no português do interior de Portugal e em certas zonas de Espanha.
@@RicardoBaptista33 Não é mirandês é no norte (junto à Galiza e terras Leão), foi com essa fala que eu e muitos como eu usava-mos cando chegamos à escola à mais de 50 anos
Língua linda
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the phonology and the orthography of Mirandese similar to Old Spanish?
Similar to old Astur-Leonese, since it comes from it!
@@SinarNila I mean, some did, yes, but not a great majority
@@SinarNila I mean, some did, yes, but not a great majority
Yay finally !!!
I ask in the video of european portuguese and brazilian portuguese if you can do mirandese and it is finally here !
I can notice Spanish influence and accent on Mirandese.
Astur-Leonese, not Spanish, Spanish influence is few in Mirandese
I'm a native speaker and this guy doesn't have a mirandese accent.
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It sounds like portuñol 🙈
It isn’t, it isn’t from the family of Portuguese nor is it from the family of Spanish
@@M_dMV really? Interesting, what's its linguistic family? 😊
@@Annieloool astur-leonese
@@Annieloool Astur-Leonese
@@Annieloool Astur-Leonese
Mirandes sounds to me like a mix between Spanish and Portuguese
@@SinarNilaMirandese is a dialect of Asturleonese that is a West iberian language The same group to which Portuguese and Spanish belong.
Although it varies according to the region the Mirandese for obvious reasons has suffered influences from Portuguese and Asturian and Leonese influences from Spanish.
@@SinarNilamirandese is not on the subfamily of Portuguese!
It is indeed quite influenced by it, but that doesn’t make it part of its family
I love how Castilians, Portuguese, Galicians, Leonese, and Mirandise have convinced themselves they are speaking different languages when they are just speaking dialects without standard spelling of the same language. If there wasn't so much political nonsense involved they would admit it. But most of them are convinced that these slightly different pronunciations are somehow different languages.
I love how random people who ain't even from Iberia have convinced themselves they know better of someone's language than the very speakers of it.
The "same language" doesn't have a standard spelling because the "same language" doesn't exist, unlike Catalan, Castilian, Galician, Portuguese and etc. that are actually a languages and in fact have vocabularies and grammars written down in books centuries before even English had it's own.
I speak both Catalan and Spanish and I think it gets pretty much a different language when the pronunciation, vocabulary and even rules of accentuation and etc are different.
The thing is that most of these languages are either Occitano-Romance or Ibero-Romance, so of course they're similar.
I think I see what happens here: It's hard to imagine for an english person that a country like Spain or Portugal remains united with so many languages and cultures, but yeah, plurinationality exists.
In fact, a thing similar to this happens in the UK for example: While I doubt you know about it, there's a language called "Scottish" (Non-Gaelic) that's very similar to English, but not the same.
I mean, I would understand if you said this about Occitan and Catalan, but about Mirandese and Spanish? Hell nah.
@@AnaF_pt Muy bien dicho/Molt ben dit/Mi bien dezido
And they all for centuries have geared their languages to become even more different from each other for political reasons. If you listen to Galician-Portuguese and old Spanish you will see that they were even more similar to each other than modern Portuguese is similar to modern Spanish
Mirandese is a portuguese with a mix of spanish lol
It doesn't even looks like Spanish. Just a lost family member of the Latin family tree.
@@AsafeFialhoLost? It's with the Leonese/Asturian branch
@@0linde That's true. Not lost, but less known. Unfortunately, those languages aren't normally remembered.
@@AsafeFialho Yes, it's a shame.
It’s not even in the family of any of them tho
Mirandese sounds closer to spanish than portuguese does
It sounds close to astur-leonese, which is more closely related to Castilian than to Galician-Portuguese
It sounds like portuñol 🙈