A.B.I.torial: Samurai Shodown, Philosophies of Death

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  • Fun fact: despite the series' title, there is only one samurai in the game, and that's Jubei who serves the Tokugawa Shogunate. One might make the case that Yoshitora is a samurai, but as the acting Shogun he's sort of both. Yashamaru was a samurai up until the Tokugawa eradicated his clan; as a clanless samurai, he's technically a ronin. All other swordsmen like Haohmaru, Genjuro, and Shizumaru are also ronin.
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  • @AnthanKrufix
    @AnthanKrufix 3 роки тому +1143

    _Mortal Kombat:_ Look at how much this attack hurt the victim!
    _Samurai Showdown:_ Look at how much this attack hurt the attacker.

    • @austinreed7343
      @austinreed7343 3 роки тому +57

      Anthan Krufix
      Eternal Champions: It hurt both the attacker and the victim. I feel like more games that capture both would be good.

    • @chidori7234
      @chidori7234 3 роки тому +95

      Mortal Kombat: oHmYgoD hE jUST rIPPED hIS iNTEStiNES oUT!!!11!!11!! (super edgy music plays in the background)
      Samurai Showdown: Life is precious, life is fragile, life is uncertain. Death is a part of life. Death is consequential and has weight. Death is inevitable and is lurking, and may strike at any time (traditional, calm, Japanese music plays in the background)
      lol I haven't even played SamSho

    • @mecha1153
      @mecha1153 3 роки тому +7

      This doesn't make either game better than the other, they shouldn't even be compared

    • @Unfunniest_Asian
      @Unfunniest_Asian 3 роки тому +52

      @@mecha1153 Of course it isn’t a measure of which game is better overall, it’s just a measure of which game is more meaningful and mature with its violence. I don’t know why you think they shouldn’t be compared though, both games are 2D fighting games with limited movement.

    • @blaze6477
      @blaze6477 3 роки тому +4

      @@Unfunniest_Asian I know why shouldn't they be Compared?

  • @javisarias
    @javisarias 3 роки тому +933

    Death in Samurai Shodown is about their characters. Death in Mortal Kombat is about gore

    • @DaWinglessFly
      @DaWinglessFly 3 роки тому +63

      Truer words never been spoken.

    • @austinreed7343
      @austinreed7343 3 роки тому +37

      @@DaWinglessFly Death in Eternal Champions is about both.

    • @DaWinglessFly
      @DaWinglessFly 3 роки тому +5

      Austin Reed very true

    • @jeangentry6656
      @jeangentry6656 3 роки тому +15

      Fair, but the fatalities in MK can give you insight into the characters, for example, Scorpion's fatalities often deal with fire or Hell, which makes sense, given he is an undead Hellspawn. Lui Kang is a Shaolin Monk, so his fatalities often involve dragons, etc.

    • @austinreed7343
      @austinreed7343 3 роки тому +61

      Jean Gentry
      Yeah... but moreso their powers than anything else...
      Nobody seeks to show a bit of restraint anymore. Not even against their own relatives.

  • @strippinheat
    @strippinheat 3 роки тому +745

    I think since Rimururu is childish, she doesn't understand the weight of death. To her, it's more like a game and she just wants to do what her big sister does without understanding how gruesome her actions are. Galford is the "my justice is true justice" type so anyone that he fights is not just simply because he's fighting them. That's how he can justify his violence against anyone.
    And I swear there was a time just after Rimururu was released when she and Nakoruru couldn't get kill animations on each other. They can now, but maybe it was changed in an update, because I swear I did the usual triggers immediately after her release and it wouldn't work. It would make sense if they couldn't kill each other being sisters, and that would be story telling through gameplay. Unlike some other game where a character can rip his wife or daughter's torso off, or a bunch of soldiers would gladly murder their superior officer after losing against the most evil entity in the world just because he won and went forward, down, down on their stage.

    • @kyshowman6847
      @kyshowman6847 3 роки тому +64

      I rather they keep that in to further story telling and relations like the small changes to certain Astral Finishes in Blazblue.

    • @alanricarte3465
      @alanricarte3465 3 роки тому +21

      Actually, both of them were killable since their launch in the New game.

    • @Suika_Ibuki_The_Drunk_Oni
      @Suika_Ibuki_The_Drunk_Oni 3 роки тому +51

      It really is sad. She doesn't realize the weight of what is happening...Until she happens to lose. And at that point it is way too late.

    • @Jimmeeehhh
      @Jimmeeehhh 3 роки тому +11

      @@kyshowman6847 I don't remember seeing something like that. As far as I know, Ragna is willing to disintegrate Noel/Jin/Celica just as much as he'll delete someone like Terumi.

    • @nellancaster
      @nellancaster 3 роки тому +33

      I did a quick research, and found out that that thing about Nako and Rimu being unkillable is in Samsho IV. Thing is, both of them can't be killed not just by each other, but they just _cannot be killed_ in general. It's more of a censorship thing, and I highly doubt it carries over to SSVI.

  • @felman87
    @felman87 3 роки тому +745

    I never realized how much depth Samurai Shodown had.

    • @rampant1apart
      @rampant1apart 3 роки тому +63

      It coaches in a elegant simplicity. “Mess up, lose half your life bar.”

    • @TapDat52K
      @TapDat52K 3 роки тому +41

      "If it bleeds, It can be 2 Hit KO'd"

    • @5pydieman
      @5pydieman 3 роки тому +8

      It's brutal 🥴

    • @bruceleeds7988
      @bruceleeds7988 3 роки тому +18

      if you are wanting to be a pro fighting gamer and struggle with your footsies, I recommend buying Samsho.

    • @nickromano3087
      @nickromano3087 2 роки тому +4

      It's probably the best 2d title available.
      Of course, therefore, no one plays it

  • @fujiwaraasakisvodch.1815
    @fujiwaraasakisvodch.1815 3 роки тому +416

    The fact that they managed to give character to the Warden from For Honor, a literal faceless blank slate of a character, is incredible.

    • @danielsniff6405
      @danielsniff6405 2 роки тому +32

      I mean, the warden kind of has character in the story mode.

    • @BestWayKilla
      @BestWayKilla 2 роки тому +26

      If you played For Honor, you'd know quite well the Warden, along with every other character model you can play as, has plenty of character.

    • @MrPokination
      @MrPokination 2 роки тому +10

      @@BestWayKilla which is a shame that none of that expression comes across in the actual gameplay. Like it does in, idk, literally any other fighting game

    • @BestWayKilla
      @BestWayKilla 2 роки тому +6

      @@MrPokination Have you ever actually played For Honor? If you haven't noticed the expressiveness in the gameplay, then you aren't playing it the right way. The game has executions and taunts specific to every class, and in general they all play uniquely different from each other.

    • @harrylane4
      @harrylane4 2 роки тому +6

      @@BestWayKilla it’s not very expressive outside of executions lol. They’re all pretty generic outside of their design. And a lot of the executions are just “silly shot for the sake of being silly.” The bagpipe execution, which undercuts the victim’s characterization for the sake of a joke, for example.

  • @CarlosMedina-mx1jl
    @CarlosMedina-mx1jl 2 роки тому +54

    The fact the this video didn't get age restricted, really says a lot on Samurai Showdown's portrayal of death

  • @mythosinfinite6736
    @mythosinfinite6736 3 роки тому +99

    The beauty of the moveset of a fighting game character is the idea that it's a simple summary of an entire character. You're not picking tools, you're picking the character that stands out to you at most or who you have the most attachment to, and for 2-5 brief minutes of combat, you experience a non-stop torrent of expression; you become that character, and to effectively win, you have to train hard enough to understand them. A well-designed moveset teaches you about the character as you train with them; a bad one is only a function.
    "The answer lies, in the heart of battle. Talk is cheap; our fists are enough."
    -Ryu

    • @Canalbiruta
      @Canalbiruta 2 роки тому +7

      Crazier than that, is that this doesn't apply only to fighting games. Valorant has been a very similar experience.

  • @nellancaster
    @nellancaster 3 роки тому +338

    This... actually makes me view Samsho's depiction of violence and death in a different light. Hell, this makes me view the entire series differently. It's really neat.

  • @sonnytapman
    @sonnytapman 3 роки тому +536

    This. THIS. This is that good shit. Way to knock it out of the park, my man.

    • @sinuhezarzuelero6054
      @sinuhezarzuelero6054 3 роки тому +1

      Agreed. Though I don't like using profanity, I have to agree with you. This is, indeed, that good shit.

  • @Vesperitis
    @Vesperitis 3 роки тому +248

    The difference between MK and SamSho is that MK emphasises on VIOLENCE, not death.

    • @ratedr7845
      @ratedr7845 3 роки тому +9

      No shit, it's like dragon ball, but I don't think it's a bad thing

    • @austinreed7343
      @austinreed7343 3 роки тому +30

      Vesperitis
      MK also emphasizes torture starting with 9.

    • @NephyrisX
      @NephyrisX 3 роки тому +8

      Fun fact about the Bushido code; while some aspects of it were used during the Edo period, the entire philosophy itself wasn't even a thing until some guy wrote a book on his own interpretation of the samurai code of honour and called it Bushido in 1899. Japan then just went with that version and popularised it.
      So yeah, the Bushido code isn't even that accurate to how samurai conducted themselves back then.

    • @Lethargy514
      @Lethargy514 3 роки тому +32

      @@ratedr7845 It's bad when it's tasteless and all it markets. Even dbz has more marketing beyond violence. Take the gore away from Mortal Kombat and I bet that player base would dwindle hard.

    • @ratedr7845
      @ratedr7845 3 роки тому +3

      @@Lethargy514 yeah, I'll admit it's a problem if it's the only thing they have, and how is it "tasteless"?? The goal hasn't changed since the mortal kombat, violence.

  • @austinreed7343
    @austinreed7343 3 роки тому +104

    The MK-styled Nakoruru super was hillarious.

    • @ADTribalChild
      @ADTribalChild 3 роки тому +8

      I was expecting one of those fix camera mods I've been seeing on UA-cam since MKX dropped.

  • @axelwust9376
    @axelwust9376 3 роки тому +456

    When you talk about character, I came to a realization for quite a while that MK doesn't care for Characters beside how to market them. They don't care if Sindel's new personality clashes with her old one, they want more people go YASS KWEEN and play her more. This is why they focus so much on violence. That's what the game basically became, a big marketing ploy.

    • @musicmodjoe2139
      @musicmodjoe2139 3 роки тому +56

      MK used to care about its characters, the key words are used to. This slowly died down over the years, you can see that between mk1-4 you built a world, factions, characters and their moveset. Between mkda-mka you built a world, factions, characters and their moveset while a slow pecking order of "who's relevant?" began to form (see how most mkda and mkd new characters were scrapped and became jokes, like hsu hao). MK shaolin monks marks the beginning of mk's storytelling downfall (our characters are cardboard cutouts in thsi game), mk vs dc building to the collective gasp that is the netherealm titles (injustice 1,2 included).

    • @austinreed7343
      @austinreed7343 3 роки тому +31

      music mod joe
      Even the older NRS games were truer to the characters. Nowadays they can’t even remember who Sindel is.

    • @musicmodjoe2139
      @musicmodjoe2139 3 роки тому +11

      @@austinreed7343 I disagree, the writing in early nrs was basicly turning every character into a very basic character in his communication with the cast. Sindel's mk11 persona was slowly built over the course of mk9-10. Nrs had the opportunity to bring old sindel back (there was backlash from the leaks at the tome and than we saw her ingame and in the arcade story), they chose to continue with her evil queen spiel from mk9-10.

    • @austinreed7343
      @austinreed7343 3 роки тому +13

      music mod joe
      Even then, MK9’s arcade mode ending showed the old Sindel. It wasn’t until 11 where the different persona completely took over.

    • @aaronatkinson3050
      @aaronatkinson3050 3 роки тому +5

      Mortal kombat may have changed but samurai shodown didn't that's way I think samurai shodown is better than mortal kombat in my opinion

  • @WolfMordred
    @WolfMordred 3 роки тому +183

    Finally someone analyzing fighting games for something more than their mechanics.
    Thanks, this video is gold.

  • @novriltataki
    @novriltataki 3 роки тому +275

    You've finally made this video after like 2 years of wanting to do it

    • @SugarPunch
      @SugarPunch  3 роки тому +146

      I just want a Steam port, man =(

    • @sanko111
      @sanko111 3 роки тому +13

      @@SugarPunch We all do :(

    • @YouSoSpice
      @YouSoSpice 3 роки тому +6

      dude I've been watching your GG videos since I was a wee tot

    • @hadoke
      @hadoke 3 роки тому +4

      @@SugarPunch My dumb ass could not wait to embrace death and now I'm stuck with a port with a piss poor online community where I get matched up with someone from China who claims to have 4 bars but somehow plays like -1 and a half bar. Fuck my life.

    • @BossBasher
      @BossBasher 3 роки тому +2

      @@SugarPunch it's fine bro, just get your fibre optics and play it on your iphone using stadia

  • @rai_harn98
    @rai_harn98 3 роки тому +164

    This is the video I've been waiting for ever since you teased it at the end of Mortal Kombat 11 analysis

  • @jacobfoxfires9647
    @jacobfoxfires9647 3 роки тому +75

    It does the best in not focusing on the blow and instead looks to the results of the killing blow. How the characters act to show them why they had to kill outside of mindless violence. And that’s probably why Samurai Shodown can make characterization work with death unlike what happens in Mortal Kombat that took any possible look for characterization and just replaces it with just pure gore with no forethought besides how they did it.

  • @danielramsey6141
    @danielramsey6141 3 роки тому +288

    10:58
    I just realized something. Galford's American. And your comment about Americans being All too happy about dispensing "Justice" is very emblematic of the Hypocrisy that Americans display! That's Very suitable in the case of his character! I know there's another American Character or Eurpoean character in this game, but it makes sense in Galford's case! Back in the early 70s, 80s, and 90s. Martial Arts films and movies took Theaters by storm and widely introduced so many people to martial arts, so much so that it made us very eager to perform the same acts. The Ninja Movies of the past are a Heavy reminder of this and I feel Galford is a representation of this Era, where Ninjutsu was not really a form of Duty, but more of a tool to use for Revenge, to act out aggression against someone. Hell, Samurai Cop is the biggest examples of failure to understand Samurai Ideology (while being Hilariously Inept).
    Honestly, when it comes to Americans and the History of violence that we encourage. Well, we look like Gun-wielding Idiots. And that's not far from the truth :)

    • @migueeeelet
      @migueeeelet 3 роки тому +32

      That is surprisingly appropiate!

    • @sanko111
      @sanko111 3 роки тому +4

      HEY POPPEEEE!!!!!

    • @kite0impulse
      @kite0impulse 3 роки тому +13

      Man, never thought about it before but this sounds spot on

    • @JayOutOfHell
      @JayOutOfHell 3 роки тому +8

      Oh shit you right

    • @Release_the_Bees
      @Release_the_Bees 3 роки тому +20

      I was just about to say that Galford is a commentary on Americans and more perfect that ABI thought but it looks like you beat me to it.

  • @LucasKelleher
    @LucasKelleher 3 роки тому +71

    "Story, characterization, and grand sweeping themes aren't important in fighting games" - I hear this all the time too and also strongly disagree with it. Personally I think that the incentives to make an esports platform greatly outweigh incentives to make a good standalone game, so story and theming get left behind.

    • @ButterStick64
      @ButterStick64 2 роки тому +5

      Agreed. Just because it’s a fighting game, doesn’t mean that it can’t do as much as any other genre of game.
      Genre can never limit the quality or capability of art under it.

  • @Ihavenolifeorvideos
    @Ihavenolifeorvideos 3 роки тому +25

    "All creature will die, and all the things will be broken.
    That's the law of samurai."
    --Yagyuu Juubei, Samurai Shodown 2

  • @cherryboywriter6299
    @cherryboywriter6299 3 роки тому +168

    To quote one of my favorite manga on death, "Death is something humans fear and detest. However, humans linger beyond it as well. Death is a mirror for humans." -Jujustu Kaisen

  • @MegaLagann
    @MegaLagann 3 роки тому +93

    For the record Akira Kurosawa didn’t direct Harakiri, it was Masaki Kobayashi. Still one of the best samurai films regardless.

    • @theyakkoman
      @theyakkoman 3 роки тому +4

      Saw that film for the first time this year. It won't be the last.
      Talk about a masterpiece.

  • @Nekusa
    @Nekusa 3 роки тому +144

    all my homies who played street fighter and mk has difficulties beating me in samsho. they all focus on combos and special moves. i simply attack them with precision. usually i just stand still and time every move they do based on animations.
    also thank for reminding me of bushido's blade. i used to play it a lot on ps1 years back

    • @Ramsey276one
      @Ramsey276one 3 роки тому +10

      There’s a new HEMA community inspired game like Bushido Blade!
      I forgot the name...

    • @Ramsey276one
      @Ramsey276one 3 роки тому +7

      Hellish Quart! Then next Bushido Blade... we hope!

    • @Nekusa
      @Nekusa 3 роки тому +2

      @@Ramsey276one i gotta check that out

    • @huevonesunltd
      @huevonesunltd 3 роки тому +23

      That's because MK and SFV (SFV in particular) are games that favor knowing framedata,setups and all of that stuff instead of pure fundamentals, you can win against most people with that stuff if they don't know what you are doing, you can beat people with constant 50/50's and taking advantage of opponent's not knowing specific stuff, the mind games only happen at the higher levels when both players understand each other's characters specifics.
      But in SamSho you can jump straight into the mindgames without the framedata "requirement", this is because of the pushback, the animation when you hit a blocking opponent and the deflecting mechanic.
      In Samsho it's an universal mechanic to say "screw your framedata" to any move.
      In Samsho you have to commit to decisions instead of being too comfortable if you test it in the lab, it's the most old school game in modern fighting games.
      Remember the first Samsho tournament? , all the OG old school players from classic SF2 dominated everyone else, samsho is barebones fundamentals.
      There are not many fighting games like that nowadays, the closest i can think of is Koihime Enbu but not quite.

  • @Wlightning25
    @Wlightning25 3 роки тому +60

    The bonus clip at the end was amazing!

    • @Diorphe
      @Diorphe 3 роки тому

      Do you know where is from?

    • @Wlightning25
      @Wlightning25 3 роки тому +8

      The commentary is from frosty faustings XII top 16. I don't know which movie the video is from though

    • @Diorphe
      @Diorphe 3 роки тому +1

      @@Wlightning25 thanks the movie es "Sanjuro" if you want look for the "duel scene"

  • @nick-playercharacter8583
    @nick-playercharacter8583 3 роки тому +32

    I remember the point where the brilliant use of death in the new SamSho really struck me. It was the reveal trailer for Kazuki and I just saw him roar while the screen filled with flames. Out of context, it's just your typical anime action shot. However, having the context of how Samurai Shodown builds around the theme of death and how throughly almost every character commits to that theme, that scene set ablaze genuinely terrified me to my core. I fully believe that Kazuki will set someone on fire and burn them into a charred husk. I believe that it will be agonizing and cruel rather than just a fight scene where fire looks cool. I believe that live will end in battle.

    • @kiranv2085
      @kiranv2085 3 роки тому +4

      I first saw that animation on his finisher of Samurai Shodown 4.. And yeah, seeing that just makes you feel that anyone who got caught up in it would get burned to a crisp.

  • @SonikkuXenoHearts3587
    @SonikkuXenoHearts3587 3 роки тому +21

    11:26
    I used to think like this until your videos show me what fighting games can be like if the developers work hard enough and care about the characters and world that they created

  • @wally540
    @wally540 3 роки тому +42

    This might be my favorite video on fighting game design I've seen. I feel strongly fighting games, having to thrive in an environment where most people won't see the "story mode" or whatever to get a character's backstory and motivations, must still convey information through each character's visual design, animation, or even basic mechanics more strongly than other mediums or genres. You expressed everything I feel, and centered it around one of my favorite games. Awesome.

  • @rhettoric5796
    @rhettoric5796 3 роки тому +17

    Fighting can be a vehicle to express things, and the same can be said for fighting in fighting games. Many people don't understand that.
    I'm really glad you do.

  • @Shad809
    @Shad809 3 роки тому +18

    Not only has this helped me understand and appreciate the themes of SamSho, it’s also been a great tutorial for the mechanics of V Special in particular. Had no idea how stuff like Concentration worked before, so thanks for not only teaching me the thematic depths of the game but also the mechanical depth as well.

  • @Rhannmah
    @Rhannmah 3 роки тому +130

    10:57 not perfect? Galford is American. This is the singlemost accurate description of America I can think of. It applies so well it's scary.
    America, always a hand outreached; sometimes benevolently opened, sometimes clasped on a gun, but always, in "Justice".

  • @OccuredJakub12
    @OccuredJakub12 3 роки тому +101

    You know what would be an incredible twist that could make Rinoruru make sense? If Rimururu turned out to actually be a, stay with me here, a delusional psychopath who dispensed violence casually and innocently, completely oblivious to the pain that she caused to others.
    This would also give Nakoruru a good reason to want to kill her sister: if there's no other way to stop her callous rampages...
    You wouldn't even need to change her personality all that much, the writers would only have to recontextualize her actions and acknowledge the weirdness that comes with a cutesy anime girl being plopped down in this kind of a game.
    And, this would also give her a unique thematic connection to death: she would see it as nothing important, as just a game and in a way deliberately betraying the philosophy of the game while also kind of totally supporting it.
    Also, also, her ice powers would take on a symbollic meaning: showing that she's actually, literally, a cold-blooded killer.
    As for Galford, dispensing a vauge idea of justice by going around and killing whatever foreigners stand in his way while obliviously presenting himself as a "hero" is probably the most American thing since apple pie.

    • @Komatik_
      @Komatik_ 3 роки тому +11

      I fear no man, but... that thing... It SCARES ME.

    • @thatCHSound
      @thatCHSound 3 роки тому +33

      This is 100% my interpretation of Rimururu as well. The genuine joy she seems to have during her fights, is a stark contrast to her peers Shizumaru/Nakoruru who seem genuinely horrified by the violence they’re capable of. To her, defending nature with her spirit friend is a fun game, and she’s good at it. It adds a little weight to Nako & Rimu’s relationship since Nako probably realizes that Rimu doesn’t grasp the weight of her actions and Nako is genuinely worried about what will happen if Rimu continues as she could end up more callous than Rera. The main thing about Rimu’s characterization that is heroic is her proximity to Nakoruru. /end headcanon

  • @kadosho02
    @kadosho02 3 роки тому +10

    Nailed every theme, character involvement, emotion, connection, and energy. SamSho has so many layers, it is a work of art, past, and present.

  • @TheMoonHut
    @TheMoonHut 3 місяці тому +4

    One thing I think is worth mentioning regarding the philosophy of death in Samsho is Ukyo's existence and how it ties into the themes. He was one of the series' original characters, and in the first game acted as a sort of rival to protagonist Haohmaru in the first game (though this plot point was later dropped in the sequels). One of his defining character traits is that he has tuberculosis and is living on borrowed time before it becomes fatal. I feel that he symbolizes the Buddhist philosophy strongly in how despite the impermanence of his life he remains a disciplined warrior who fights decisively. He is going to die regardless of if he fights or not, but he doesn't use that as an excuse to lash out like a wild beast and recklessly puts himself in danger, or use unnecessary brutality to 'make others suffer like him' or anything like that. He retains a gentlemanly demeanour and a sense of cordiality in the face of his imminent death, whether it be on or off the battlefield, recognizing that life is impermanent and fleeting, but taking it with a relative sense of acceptance and peace

  • @HaipaSonikku
    @HaipaSonikku 3 роки тому +9

    I'm from back in the day. Samurai Shodown was very popular at the time. The reason why Mortal Kombat caught a lot more controversy was simply due its photo realistic depicted style graphics, unlike Samurai Shodown's non photo realistic style.
    Anatomy was the new wave of the 4th generation as it was the first gen to graphically display human anatomy accurately.
    Anime style art wouldn't start to take off into the mainstream here in the United States until 1998 with Pokemon.

  • @lickilicky64
    @lickilicky64 3 роки тому +5

    the virgin Mortal Kombat vs the chad Samurai Shodown

  • @Ramsey276one
    @Ramsey276one 3 роки тому +11

    That ending bit was a HILARIOUS surprise!

  • @projectknm8670
    @projectknm8670 3 роки тому +22

    *_Claps Furiously_*
    Very insightful analysis.

  • @Flow764
    @Flow764 3 роки тому +102

    I wonder how much of this was real samurai philosophy and how much is Taishō period romanticizing.

    • @virgilthemob1242
      @virgilthemob1242 3 роки тому +32

      This. A samurai is a soldier and I doubt that they would be any more concerned with philosophy and religion than the average European knight when faced with life-threatening situations. Sure, it's a cool philosophy as far as fiction is concerned, but it doesn't translate too well into real life.

    • @MundaneAxiom
      @MundaneAxiom 3 роки тому +63

      Oh a lot of this is anachronistic, but SamSho isn't out to create a historically accurate depiction of samurai, it's trying to translate the figure of the Samurai, as it exists in the cultural canon, to life faithfully through a fighting game. The game deviates from reality in a lot of over-the-top ways partly to establish some distance from reality, to allow itself room for this idealization.

    • @ZenPaladin
      @ZenPaladin 3 роки тому +7

      Well philosophy and reality are always different things right? Just because not every Samurai believed in Bushido or followed it doesn't mean it didn't impact their lives.

    • @matrix3509
      @matrix3509 3 роки тому +21

      @@virgilthemob1242 If a samurai wasn't concerned with philosophy or religion, then they wouldn't have spent their entire lives learning it along with a myriad arts. A samurai wasn't a soldier. A samurai was a minor noble, or at their lowest, part of the gentry. As such they were expected to display the education and class that comes with the title, and lay down their life for their daimyo should the need arise.

    • @OccuredJakub12
      @OccuredJakub12 3 роки тому +15

      Well, bushido is inspired by buddhism to an extent, right? So, think of this as analogous to medieval knights and Christianity: maybe it didn't fully influence them, especially in the chaos of a battlefield, but it still must've defined their beliefs and attitudes towards violence.

  • @tyrfang
    @tyrfang 3 роки тому +7

    "You only live once!"
    "No, you only die once."

  • @MagmaMKII
    @MagmaMKII 3 роки тому +22

    Compare this with Mortal Kombat, which is super violent just for the sake of being super violent.

    • @austinreed7343
      @austinreed7343 3 роки тому +4

      Magma MK-II
      It used to be based around gladiator culture...
      Now it just emits squishy noises without effort, in an attempt to rip people off.

  • @tn1881
    @tn1881 3 роки тому +8

    The original title of Samurai Shodown is SAMURAI SPIRITS, so this is not a profession but a way of life.
    In 5c, a Shinto priest teaches soldiers martial arts and norms to maintain security around the shrine.
    On 7c, Otomobeno Hakama sets an example for patriotic soldiers. Otomono Yakamochi sets an example of loyalty.
    In 8c, tsuwamo no michi (Way of strong soldier) is recorded as a samurai norm in Nihonshoki. This will later become bushido.
    On 13c-14c, war chronicle Taiheiki, Heike Monogatari, etc. are read as samurai textbooks. The contents of the book become general knowledge of Japan as Kabuki, Noh, and haiku. Mononofu (samurai's ancient language) no michi (Way of Mononofu) is recorded as a samurai's norms and morals.
    The word Bushido is recorded in Takeda's military study book Koyo Gunkan. On 16c.
    In 17c, military scholar Yamaga Soko (1622-1685) proposed Shido, the predecessor of Bushido. 47 The Ronin is receiving his teachings.
    Musashi Miyamoto wrote Gorin no sho.
    Tsunetomo Yamamoto wrote Hagakure on 18c.
    Daidoji Yuzan (1639-1730) wrote Budou shoshinshu.
    Yamaoka Tesshu 1836-1888) wrote "Bushido".
    Inazo Nitobe (1862-1933) wrote Bushido The Soul of Japan. As a diplomat, he was often asked by Westerners, "Why do Japanese people have high morals even though they are not Christians?"
    He wrote a book to explain to Westerners the morals that the Japanese norm.
    Around 1970, many cultures were destroyed by the Communist Cultural Revolution. East Asian Communists continue to do the same. They began to promote the theory that Bushido was conceived by Inazo Nitobe and did not exist before. He made many similar theories and promoted them, but they were refuted by the primary sources of history and the development of science and technology by experts. Communists did not stop advertising, so their theory was to be used for dupes.
    Their past claims were "The Soviet Union is a utopia," "North Korea is a paradise," and "Bushido is a myth." In recent years, they have said, "Australian inhabitants interacted with the Ming dynasty." "Genghis Khan did not exist." "Sun Yat-sen says Yuan dynasty is a Mongolian country, so remove him from the textbook. "The Mongolian language is inefficient and should not be taught at school." This activity also started in the United States.
    There is a theory that the contents of Bushido are different from the old days, but the samurai of Taiheiki of war chronicle of 13c-14c is a model of the samurai of composition. This is also linked to cultures such as Kabuki, Noh, haiku, and tea ceremony. The character of the samurai is also present in the records of Chinese history, Korean history, Southeast Asian history, and missionaries. Removing only Bushido, like the Communists, creates many contradictions.

  • @Nostroman_Praetor
    @Nostroman_Praetor 3 роки тому +8

    ...And thats why the Warden, a guest character in samurai shodown from For Honor, fits into this idea so well. He gets by with a simple moveset only having two specials because it works and helps lets him win and Samsho is more about normals anyway. As to his perspective of death, he would rather beat you effectively and soundly with a catapult strike that would kill you almost instantly rather than look you in the eyes and plunge his longsword through your chest. He doesn't have time for that on the battlefield and he has a war to win for his people, he can't pick out every head that rolls behind him. Interesting that your video on Shodown changed my perspective on a different game from which this guest character comes from

  • @HenryXLII
    @HenryXLII 2 роки тому +2

    And I am now completely sold on Samurai Showdown!

  • @Aliraldd992
    @Aliraldd992 3 роки тому +31

    Never played samurai showdown, but still the video is intresting

    • @MageKirby
      @MageKirby 3 роки тому +6

      It's a great and fun fighting game. Especially for people new to the genre. It did lose it's timing to have a good pc release and I hear the online isn't very good.

    • @ArpeggioPegasusMusic
      @ArpeggioPegasusMusic 3 роки тому +9

      SamSho is great for anyone who hates having to learn combos. It's the perfect game if you want to punish all day.

    • @user-ig5yx8bc6c
      @user-ig5yx8bc6c 3 роки тому +4

      @@MageKirby online in pc port of ss5sp is extremely good. I've even managed to get a couple playable Saint Petersburg - west coast matches.

    • @ReeceHoward06
      @ReeceHoward06 3 роки тому +1

      If you're a Street Fighter or King of Fighters fan, try Capcom vs Snk 2 as it has quite a few characters from Samsho and Last Blade. They play faithful to their native series. If you like how they play there, you will LOVE the SamSho and The Last Blade games.

    • @piwithatsme
      @piwithatsme 3 роки тому +1

      If you can get your hands on fightcade then i suggest giving samsho 5 special a try. This game can look very dull if you haven’t played it

  • @Lazypackmule
    @Lazypackmule 3 роки тому +21

    Well shit, I never played much of V, but now I'm kinda disappointed that mechanic didn't return

    • @ReeceHoward06
      @ReeceHoward06 3 роки тому +3

      V is dope! I think that's the one fans shitted on back in the day though.

    • @keo_bas
      @keo_bas 3 роки тому +4

      Mostly because v was not developed in house. Snk outsource it to Yuki entertainment who will go on to become Examu/team arcana.

  • @galacticpool1262
    @galacticpool1262 3 роки тому +15

    After the mk11 video, I'm glad you did this video. You seem happier and more passionate talking about samurai shodown.

  • @yoshinpixels9924
    @yoshinpixels9924 3 роки тому +16

    MK and Samsho are two different answers to the question "What is in the heads of these characters?"
    Samsho: Philosophical musing on the nature of violence and death
    MK: BRAIN BITS YEEEEEEE

    • @TheDarioushurt
      @TheDarioushurt 3 роки тому +2

      you fools in here are trying way to hard to sound smart

  • @professionalfangster1510
    @professionalfangster1510 2 роки тому +3

    Now I want to play this game.

  • @soversetile
    @soversetile 3 роки тому +3

    I really appreciate how you used core bhuddism beliefs and stayed very accurate on the concepts used in game.

  • @DarkErdrick
    @DarkErdrick 3 роки тому +3

    A small note: one of the movies mentioned, Harakiri (1962), was not directed by Akira Kurosawa, but by Masaki Kobayashi. Worth noting because it's one of the most "anti-samurai" samurai dramas ever made~

  • @PChamileon97
    @PChamileon97 2 роки тому +3

    it doesn’t matter if it’s a Fighter....Shooter...or RPG.
    A game’s success rests 1% on game mechanics
    and 99% on the characters.
    Not just His or Her moveset, but rather.
    Who they are.
    Who is he?
    Why does she chase Soul Edge/Calibur?
    What’s his reason for entering this tournament?
    A character, INCLUDING backstories, is what makes ANY game work.

  • @nayannmartinelli300
    @nayannmartinelli300 3 роки тому +2

    Unfortunately never had the chance to play a lot of this series, but the little I played made quite a impression, as did your vid :)

  • @ekx5120
    @ekx5120 3 роки тому +10

    More of this, more of you. Love this deep content. You and Core-A Gaming are the best at fighting game content.

  • @JoseHdEs
    @JoseHdEs 3 роки тому +19

    I'd had in my mind for some time., that very same observation about the camera in the super special movés being too focused on the fighter's face. It always breaks my heart finish a round with Nakoruru's special and get that look on her face.

  • @literallyshaking8019
    @literallyshaking8019 3 роки тому +4

    Bushido Blade is one of the absolute best, most unique fighting games I’ve ever played, and I’m astounded there hasn’t been modern attempts to try and remake it.

    • @przemysawseredyszyn1405
      @przemysawseredyszyn1405 3 роки тому

      Have you seen the Hellish Quart?

    • @literallyshaking8019
      @literallyshaking8019 3 роки тому +2

      @@przemysawseredyszyn1405 I haven’t, but I just checked it out and it looks awesome. Thanks for the heads up!

  • @Ramsey276one
    @Ramsey276one 3 роки тому +16

    The SamSho saga is art
    There’s your evidence

  • @nineballseraph6986
    @nineballseraph6986 3 роки тому +3

    I never cared or played any Samurai Shodown before. But after I tried all their games in Samurai Shodown Neo Geo Collection (Epic Games Store give it freely sometime ago), It now become one of my favorite fighting game series. I first though that SamSho is just another flashy combo-focused game but I was wrong. The game is more slow paced and more focus on punishing and countering. You dont need complicated and long combo to do it. SamSho is like breath of fresh air to me and I cant wait for Samurai Shodown 2019 come to Steam someday.

    • @EmperorPylades
      @EmperorPylades 3 роки тому +3

      One of my friends summed it up as most fighting games being like basketball, with constant back-and-forth and high possessions/combos. SamSho is like soccer, with patient measuring and probing, and where that single perfect moment is decisive.

  • @Ali-fs7ze
    @Ali-fs7ze 3 роки тому +10

    I remember watching that last clip live when it happened. I was losing my shit the entire time. Great video.
    SNK games always have the best game design in the fighting game space, especially their non KOF games. So much style and character in just how their games play. I'm always floored by how amazing Garou is in every aspect, from the streamlined and intuitive core game loop to the insane attention to detail and the game Juice.
    And a SamSho match between two masters is always a sight to behold. How they made a game where a giant goofy Youkai fighting an anime womanizer with 7 swords looks like a gritty battle for their lives is beyond me.
    Far from Capcom just randomly changing all their mechanics everytime they make a game cause "Gotta make it new".

    • @carlosaugusto9821
      @carlosaugusto9821 3 роки тому

      Alright but Snk fg's actually change more than Capcom fg's. That's actually one of their notorious high points that set them apart from Capcom in the 90s.

    • @Ali-fs7ze
      @Ali-fs7ze 3 роки тому +4

      @@carlosaugusto9821 I didn't say SNK didn't change, All FGs change, I said Capcom was random. They just went "YOLO" and added Roman Cancels to SFIV.

    • @ameernurhaqeem9738
      @ameernurhaqeem9738 3 роки тому

      @@Ali-fs7ze snk always try something new for mechanic like kof change mechanic every game lol kof 14 is mechanic is good but i hope they could make kof 15 has new mechanic and can do combo like kof 13 but longer

  • @saber5785
    @saber5785 3 роки тому +4

    Underrated video here, deserves way more attention.

  • @MrTheil
    @MrTheil 3 роки тому +14

    IT’S HERE BABY

  • @romantisanon4647
    @romantisanon4647 3 роки тому +2

    Uber underrated video. Brilliant work.

  • @maragazh9993
    @maragazh9993 3 роки тому +9

    What other contenders are there for the title of "Most Buddhist Thing in a Fighting Game"?

    • @SugarPunch
      @SugarPunch  3 роки тому +12

      The last brilliantly buddhist thing I've seen in a fighting game was Zeku in Street Fighter 5. I made a video about him, if you'd like to see how he also embodies zen buddhist philosophy!

  • @outtadaboxreviews
    @outtadaboxreviews 2 роки тому +1

    This is phenomenal bro amazing work!

  • @Majinken
    @Majinken 3 роки тому +3

    I've been waiting for this since the MK 11 video great job on this

  • @datankle7519
    @datankle7519 3 роки тому

    Excellent video. Every time I see an upload, my day immediately gets better. This definitely made this shitty day I was having much more bearable. Thanks for this.

  • @vichyssoise80
    @vichyssoise80 3 роки тому +3

    I've played the series since its first incarnation in the arcade, and now this video makes me appreciate it even more. And the statement about some not caring about story really hit home.

  • @zeetch4575
    @zeetch4575 3 роки тому +2

    I've watched this video like 5 times and I still love every bit of it

  • @FAQzzzz
    @FAQzzzz 3 роки тому

    I wasnt expecting to take a trip down memory lane cuz im new to this game but then u pull out Bushido Blade i truly thank u for the kid feeling that gave me

  • @neytracg308
    @neytracg308 3 роки тому +1

    Every fighting game player needs to see this!
    Keep up the good work!

  • @Siinory
    @Siinory 2 роки тому +1

    You have opened my eyes on how the series has to be played and understood. I have a way greater appreciation for the series now, thank you!

  • @tornadoandy123
    @tornadoandy123 3 роки тому +3

    This is probably one of my top favorite analysis videos on a game I've seen thus far. The way you bring out the philosophy of Bushido and make it so theatrical, I love it! SamSho is an intense game.
    Now... If only SamSho's online (on PS4) wasn't a wasteland right now.
    Got into the game WAY late, so that's my fault...

    • @KuroNoTenno
      @KuroNoTenno 3 роки тому +1

      It's SNK's fault more than anything, because they couldn't be bothered to use a good netcode for their game.

  • @azuredragon8388
    @azuredragon8388 3 роки тому +1

    I was expecting this to be grim but you definitely made this game shine way brighter than I ever expected. I've come to expect these videos to be a funny but insightful learning experience about the art of gaming in general so this is just the same thing except more concentrated and serene.
    Hell, this gives me an idea for a samurai character ive been struggling to make

  • @mauimallard154
    @mauimallard154 3 роки тому +2

    I just subscribed, great analysis

  • @ArcCaravan
    @ArcCaravan 3 роки тому +3

    Love these analyses on Fighting Game characterization. Excellent.

  • @blueblade6174
    @blueblade6174 3 роки тому

    Ever since I subscribed, watching these videos has given me enlightenment on writing and design.

  • @Connore540
    @Connore540 3 роки тому +2

    I've played so many matches of Samsho V Special with my friends and somehow we NEVER noticed the rage and meditation differences per character. Amazing video as always. Really made me think about storytelling in games relating to gameplay

  • @raychangalarza179
    @raychangalarza179 3 роки тому +2

    I was waiting for it and that was why I subbed

  • @rubenanthony7292
    @rubenanthony7292 3 роки тому +2

    You just made me respect a game series i never liked enough to buy the game and give it another try. You're awesome

  • @maikol4128
    @maikol4128 3 роки тому

    This might be my favorite video in the series yet. You outdid yourself today A.B.I.

  • @Kusanagikaiser999
    @Kusanagikaiser999 3 роки тому +5

    YESSS FINALLLYYYY!!..........thank you. I been looking for this video for so long, and it didn't disappoint. While MK is just gore for the sake of gore, and all characters are blood thirsty assholes in gameplay despite their stories says they SHOULDN'T......Samurai Shodown is all about characters and acceptance of death in a battle field, all shows us how they interact with this, who wants to inflict death and who regret to, let be all about their personalities not about the gore. I always love that about SS but seen this video open my respect even deeper, never expect SNK will go that deep.....I really think SNK have done my 2 favorites samurai games in the fighting game genre, with Samurai Spirits and Last Blade (miss you soo much you underrated unappreciated master piece), both have the similar approach to death, just Last Blade is a bit flashier and traditional as a Fighting game, Samurai Spirits is wayy more deep, I never understood the philosophy of the Rage bar until today and is a genius move also that one in SSV is amazing, the clam sacrifice idea is super cool, wish the new Samurai Shodown have it. Anyway another magistral video about Fighting games, still hope you make a deep analysis about Guilty Gear XRD, before we get to Strive..............also Last Blade XD (I just want people to know about that gem).

  • @Ragnorok64
    @Ragnorok64 3 роки тому +1

    Man, I had skipped past this vid when it first came out then the UA-cam algorithm decided to step in and not push your content to me, despite being subscribed. I regret not watching this one on release because it is a fantastic video and broke down mechanics I didn't even know were in the games.

  • @JXDemon21
    @JXDemon21 3 роки тому +6

    After the MK11 video I was honestly waiting to see the themes of Samurai Showdown and man I wasn't disappointed. Now I just need to get the Switch port of this as its my only option to play the new SamSho.

  • @AquaMarina369
    @AquaMarina369 3 роки тому +2

    Samurai Showdown is a game I haven’t really thought about picking up before but... this video single handily made me both want to play it but also incredibly respect it. ^^ the sheer depth of how it showcases its philosophies is incredible and you did such an amazing job showing and explaining them.

    • @carlosaugusto9821
      @carlosaugusto9821 3 роки тому

      You probably wont like it because it's way different from your fg experiences anyway. I dont even need to know your personal experiences... since SS is literally different from any other fg. And it's a kind that wont easily please whoever doesnt have past experiences with the series. Besides all that there is the bad netcode.

  • @Razkunn
    @Razkunn 3 роки тому +1

    "this is the most fine tuned Buddhist mechanic" (including the voice delivery)
    I can't watch the video for the past 10 minutes, because I barely managed to type this in in my fits of laughter.
    Very interesting video, I was only aware of Samurai Showdown's existence, never even saw a single arcade of it in my youthful days.

  • @cottonmouthaudio5041
    @cottonmouthaudio5041 3 роки тому +4

    I feel like if Mortal Kombat were to follow the same logic of characters having different reactions to death, Johnny Cage would go catatonic once he realised how real it just got.

    • @austinreed7343
      @austinreed7343 3 роки тому +2

      rando of blood
      The original thematic elements of Mk indicate that the cast are entertaining a higher power. The series is based around Roman gladiator culture.

    • @Enixon869
      @Enixon869 Рік тому

      MK9 played with that just a little bit near the start of it's Story mode where after beating his first opponent, I think Baraka (who Johnny also thinks is just a guy in really good monster costume) is told to "Finish Him" and gets shocked and outraged at the idea "Finish Him? Yeah right I'm not killing anyone" but that line is about all it dwells on it.

  • @nicolashadler
    @nicolashadler 3 роки тому +3

    NICE, been waiting for this since the ending of that MK11 video, knew it was coming someday.

  • @seadx6
    @seadx6 3 роки тому +2

    Man... I only follow Sugar Punch because of your A.B.I.Torials, i loved today's video

  • @MimebladeGMail
    @MimebladeGMail 3 роки тому +3

    I agree with a ton of what you've said here... but I will also add that games like Guilty Gear can be just as expressive. I think it's something people frequently miss, but it is something good to point out in "good" fighting games.

  • @pimsbury5155
    @pimsbury5155 Рік тому

    This is the best description/explanation of the FEEL of the Samsho series I have ever heard.

  • @nhall129
    @nhall129 3 роки тому +1

    Yooo ive been waiting so long for this vid!

  • @obscuremix8198
    @obscuremix8198 3 роки тому +2

    With your video you just sold me on the game.

  • @shman5000o
    @shman5000o 3 роки тому

    Beautifully put A.B.I. Made me appreciate the SamSho series so much more after watching this

  • @bananabike279
    @bananabike279 3 роки тому

    A very poetic video! Never knew Samurai Showdown had so much depth and lore behind it!

  • @BottleWaterson
    @BottleWaterson 3 роки тому

    I was so glad to see the bonus clip live

  • @kienphucnguyen2001
    @kienphucnguyen2001 3 роки тому +4

    Nice teaching, sensei. You could’ve been a true samurai. Teach me sensei.

  • @fatefulbrawl5838
    @fatefulbrawl5838 2 роки тому +1

    Exceptional review from a game series I'll soon check out! Who would have though _that this_ is what helped me come to terms with seeing death. 😁🗡

  • @gabrielcastejon7914
    @gabrielcastejon7914 2 роки тому +2

    If I were to ever play a fighting game professionally it'd have to be Samurai Shodown. In every other traditional fighting game there's always an optional combo that you're gonna have to repeat over and over again. In SamSho it's more about studying your opponent, you only need one hit to demonstrate that.

  • @rafaferreira6937
    @rafaferreira6937 3 роки тому

    Really cool and deep analysis on the game. Loved the video, just subscribed😁

  • @neoyagami
    @neoyagami 3 роки тому

    I waited for this... thanks man!

  • @beiwubsnsod7378
    @beiwubsnsod7378 3 роки тому +3

    So samsho is basically taking street fighters neutral game of patience and amping it up to 100

  • @shotgun2140
    @shotgun2140 3 роки тому +3

    That bonus clip really made my day 😂