@johnharrison4817 actually had not heard of that being a problem with lithium. It is much more associated with cobalt, which is being phased out of EV batteries, but not gas production.
@@AdamA-pm3yn Thanks for the input. This video is not necessarily meant to represent all of either category. It is the experience with the vehicles I have at hand. Also while the Armada and Z3 are both significantly older vehicles the 328 is a much closer comparison. 2012 with 57k miles vs 2017 with 93k miles is not an exact match, but not an unreasonable one. As far as a commercial, hardly. Simply my opinion. Making this video was based on my experience. You are right that there is nothing new here except my realization of the impact of these points. Kind of like saying Texas is big is nothing new, but someone who already knew that will have Avery diff realization of the fact after they have spent 2 days driving through it.
@AdamA-pm3yn Everything is a war? Very nihilistic. FUN! No interest in deceiving you at all. I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Skill.
LOL. I made a comment disagreeing with you yet 2 days ago you're asking for comments from viewers due to getting so many dislikes. If you only come from one side of a topic you're going to be called out...and you were called out by others AND myself. I take offense by your comment saying, "your dumb". Don't create YT content and publish for others to see if you don't want to hear from viewers. I'll say it again...historical renewables that have nothing to do with the "new renewable religion", e.g. hydro, biomass, and geothermal you're left with 14% of electricity generation in the USA. Look at the traditional-reliable power sources totaling 85% of electricity in the USA. With the "new renewables" , you'll need thousands of acres of land to get to 25% of electricity as well as the substantial costs to backup with the renewables as well as the transmit and make the renewable energy usable throughout the grid. Why not clean coal plants which we've had as well as nuclear at a fraction of the footprint of renewables AND those sources last 60+ years compared to renewables that last 1/2 the years they were predicted to last (20 years vs 10 years).
I bet you don't miss waiting 8 hours at W@lmart to charge on a throttled charging system. (Diesel) back up. Did you have fire insurance on it? How about explosion insurance? Who were you able to insure with? Did your premiums go down after getting rid of that fire hazard?
@DoubtingThomas-mx8sl Ok so now I am wondering if your a bot or did you just Google "dumbest anti- EV things is can say" 8 hours at Walmart? Why would that ever happen? If your going to comment on an EV channel, please do some research because that sounded just plain stupid. Explosion insurance? Really dude, listen to Scotty has given you a mind virus.
@DoubtingThomas-mx8sl I'm not sure how a picture will show an 8 hour charge time, but they are fools for using that charger. First because if they can't charge at home then an EV is a questionable choice and second is even if there is a very limited number of characters in your area there has got to be some alternative within 20 to 30 miles. would happily drive that far to not sit at the charger so long.
He studies fires from EV's around the world. People are dying. Houses are burning. The school bus fire in Quebec ended in a lawsuit and 400 lay-off's at the Lion's school bus company in Illinois. 8 deaths in France and Toronto in 2 Tesla fires. One survivor in Toronto who went to a burn center hospital.
@@DoubtingThomas-mx8sl These are all sad events and I certainly hope that the problems that caused these fires are found and addressed. The layoffs at the bus manufacturer sound like there was a real problem with the way they built the buses. The Toronto fire deaths have less to do with the batteries and much more to do with just how foolish it is to have no mechanical release on car doors. EVs have caused deaths and that sucks but your argument is based on gas cars having not done the same, which is not only not the case but the frequency of gas car fires is about 175 times higher. Batteries DO have inherent dangers, but we have accepted those dangers for a long time. I assume the phone/computer/table you are commenting on doesn't run on gas?
Do you carry marshmallows in your frunk? I wonder how they taste after heating them at 4500 degrees? Those poisnous Thermal RUN-AWAY FIRES are safe and effective.@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires
There's nothing better than the confidence that comes with a gas powered car when you're 500 miles away from anything you don't have to worry How about if you're going to make it or not Or when the power goes out don't have to worry about how are you going to get around Or when you got a trailer to tow how you going to make.it. electric cars have their place but they are not replacing gas powered cars tomorrow It
@dodgeking9194 Let me start with where we completely agree. They are not replacing gas cars tomorrow. I'm not sure they will ever completely replace them. I think before that happens we will have come up with an even better alternative. This is just how advancements in technology work. There is a lot I can say to challenge the availability of charging in your comment, but for the key word in it, confidence. The chances of being stranded without available charging is extremely low, but not zero. And until it becomes zero people will have some apprehension about EVs. When I bought my i3 in 2020 I made it a point to get one with a gas powered range extender. And while I almost never use it I was in an area last year where it really saved my back side.
Why would you compare driving a 20 plus year old ICE vehicle with a near new EV Just buy a modern ICE vehicle and youll be better off. Just compare apples with apples Simple.
@darrenfechner5613 Thanks for the comment and I appreciate the reality that a newer car could perform better. That said; the cars I compared are the cars I have and the one I have driven the most is the 2012 328 and my 2017 i3. The 5 years difference is not nothing but it is also not huge, especially since the i3 has 30k more miles on it and was fundamentally unchanged model since it came out in 2014. additionally I have (not this week) driven my son's 2022 Lexus ES F Sport and while it quite nice, it is not enough to pull me away from my i3.
@@montanawildcat5198 There is indeed a character gas cars have that EVs don't. Mostly the sound. As far as getting used to it. I am sure I can just like I have gotten used to chronic back pain. 😂
Battery-tech isn't in a place yet that is suitable for mass EV adoption IMO. Perhaps once the industry moves past Lithium-Ion & all of its drawbacks/limitations/vulnerabilities.
@@kirkdarling4120 Not sure how you mean that? If my car had been totaled I would likely have bought another i3. I could replace it with the newer (2019) model with slightly longer range for about 20k. Minus the 4k used EV tax credit and that makes it 16k. Well worth the gas savings.
While I disagree with you, I agree that you have the right to say it and hold that opinion. There are plusses and minuses for each option. EVs are good options for a second car if you can afford it. Why a second car? When I drive a long distance, I don't have to concern myself with refueling. Therefore an EV can't be my primary vehicle. That is the primary issue. Refueling while on major trips. Around the city only? Then it makes much more sense. EVs are still cost prohibitive. We need subsidies to cover the costs. That means poor people pay rich people to have EVs. Morally, that is repugnant to me. EV batteries will not last as long as the frame. So the car doesn't last as long as ICE cars. EVs drive better (don't care). EVs have a cool factor (don't care) So to me, the most important factors have me driving the ICE cars for a while longer.
@@paulmoulton7248 Let me start by saying, I love the first paragraph. We don't have to agree to have a discussion. Comments have called this video an advertisement and propaganda simply because they disagree. As for having the EV as a second car, that seems a completely reasonable stand and was actually the philosophy with which I bought mine. In my case it just ended up being the only car we drive and I have to make a special drive each year in our gas cars in order to cycle the monitors to pass their annual smog check. My only challenge to your philosophy is if most of your driving is local, which one is really your primary vehicle? 😁 As far as EVs being too expensive, you are absolutely right. This is changing, but not enough yet. That said, everyone focuses on the new EV credit but there is a used EV credit as well and EVs depreciate faster than gas cars so it is not hard to find an EV under 20k and knock off another 4k. You can still get the full credit all the way down to just over 13k meaning you can get that car for 9k. Pretty affordable.i appreciate your dislike for the new EV tax credit helping people with money get expensive cars, but when they get rid of them, they become much cheaper used EVs. My car as an example, it was 56k new, which is insane. It was a lease and the person likely got the 7500 credit. I bought it 2 years later as a CPO which means it only lost one year of warranty and I got it for 20k. If they had the used EV credit at the time, I would have paid 16k. Battery longevity is an interesting issue because they do degrade and we are still learning about just how fast or slow that happens. Daa for this is kind of all over the place but generally they are lasting longer than expected and newer battery chemistries are likely to last much longer. Anecdotally, my 7 year old i3 with 93k miles on it has about 8 percent degradation, which is fine by me. Since my car is made of cfrp, it will outlast the battery ...and any gas engine. We definitely have different views on vehicle performance. You noted that you don't care, which is good for you. For me it is vital here in the wild West (California) acceleration and manoeuvrability are vital and I find myself so incredibly frustrated by not having it. And of course the bottom line is if a gas car is what works best for you, by all means enjoy it!
@@patricknintemann924 Very true. There are some workarounds for that, but ultimately if those are not convenient then maybe an EV is not a right choice for them.
I have a 911 and a 1965 Mustang and My Tesla S is my daily. 700hp, lifetime supercharging, awesome!! Thinking about buying a $5k Suburban for towing, but I'd prefer driving the S
@@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires Whenver I'm on a mountain road the question is "can I pass this guy" and the answer is almost always "YES" because 700hp!! Holy moley this car is fun to drive!!
A modern ice car is nowhere near like driving a EV.The silence.The uptake and the relaxing way you can drive an EV.Ours is a E Berlingo not for sale in the States.Basically a small van .I have driven many cars over the years but EV's are taking over believe me.
Funniest PROPAGANDA yet😂. Thankfully, you didn't hit it with an EV. Do you keep your THERMAL RUN-AWAY FIRE EXTINGUISHER in your locked FRUNK? Did you see the 4 dead evangelists in France? Or, the 4 dead ones in Toronto? The lucky one was pulled out and sent to the burn unit. All brands are burning and or exploding around the world. So green.
@@DoubtingThomas-mx8sl EV fired do happen and when they do they are more severe. That said how many gas car fires were there in Toronto and France in the same year. In the USA we average about 20 EV fires per year as compared to 3,400 gas car fires. Why don't those gas car fires make the headlines? In the Tornado case, the bigger issue than the fuel type was that the Tesla they were in has electronic only door handles and it lost power. Part of my reason for not buying a Tesla. My i3 has good old fashioned mechanical handles. Lastly how is having an opinion based on my real life experience suddenly become PROPAGANDA? That is such a small minded way to try to dismiss opinions that vary from your own.
Small minded? Life experience? DEI? I wonder who you voted for? How about those Green African children digging Lithium and cobalt instead of going to school. FJB said EV is the only way. In 2 weeks we will see.😮
Have you figured out how to run on H2O, if not I'm not interested. I want my car to be able to run for free, free energy baby. There's a way to do it and it's been known for years. There's even a guy that knows how to do something to a carburetor to make one gallon of gas lost about 200,000 MI, explain that. Maybe we should go back to horses, since cars are becoming too expensive to own. I'm going back to antiques, give me something from the 80s of the 90s. You can keep the rest of those garbage buckets.
@@reginafisher9919 Sadly, no. Though if/when that comes out I might just have to switch to that. In the meantime , check out Aptera. They are working on a car that runs on sunlight. That's even better than water and totally free.As for going to horses, sorry no. The 0 to 60 and top speed is a little lacking and the high speed range is terrible. They are however, much nicer to talk to than any car. 😁
@@DoubtingThomas-mx8sl with an enclosed cabin so no helmet needed. Categorized as an autocycle. Not for everyone, but it does have the potential to have a zero fuel cost.
@@CoryRoy You would be absolutely right....If this was about a week of EV ownership. I have had my EV for almost five years. This has been a week of having to drive gas cars and while a week would seem like a short time, I was already hating it on day one....and convinced on day three when I had driven all three.
When you can charge at home and don't drive more a day then what the ev has range, you don't have a problem. Once you go on a longer drive and you arw dependent on fast charging, it can get really annoying. Not always. But you never have to wait to fill a gas car. With an ev you are always doing many 10 to 20 minute stops. And sometimes there is a line and you can't make it to the next charger so you have no choice then to wait. Many chargers are also broken. Yes road trips can be done but with a gas car you don't need to plan for fuel stops because gas stations are everywhere and refueling is fast.
@@patricknintemann924 Thanks for the comment and good points. EVs are certainly at their best when you have access to home charging and don't need to use outside chargers. Charging on road trips is certainly less convenient with an EV. Smart route planning can make this less inconvenient and newer EVs are charging faster but it is still more time consuming. This should be a serious consideration when buying a car. How much do you road trip beyond the range of your vehicle. If the answer is very frequently then maybe an EV is not right for you. But if not very frequently then maybe it is. I actually did a video on this which you should check out that addressed this exact issue. People tend to focus on time lost charging on road trips but miss how much time saved charging at home.
You might just seriously consider, going back to a gas powered vehicle, if those batteries, in your beloved EV, decide to explode, and burn your house, and your gas powered vehicles, to cinders...
Like 🇫🇷 France and Canada 🇨🇦, 4 dead in each EV. The Toronto cremation spared one that went to the burn unit. Wait to see what will happen to insurance premiums. State Farm Insurance Company no longer allows EV's to charge on their properties. The Quebec School bus fire (EV) preceeded 400 lay offs and lawsuits, Insurance claims against the Lion School Bus Company in Illinois. ETC....
@@DoubtingThomas-mx8sl You are correct. There are EVs that have caught fire and people have died. There are also many more people who have died in gas car fires. Funny how those don't make the news though.
Don't like verything you say! Go out and buy a new Subaru outback and compare that. I have classic cars that are 50yrs old that I would rather drive than an electric roller skate. I had an online argument with a person regarding EB's They told me nothing accelerates like an electric bike, to which I said, they confuse acceleration with driving pleasure. Going fast is not the be and end all of traveling. It's a feeling. I guess if you have lost or never gained that sense of driving then you need an EV, but remember you are also getting huge amounts of electro magnetic radiation while driving these things and have no consideration for the planet accept for your imediate surroundings, or you would investigate the true cost of polution to other countries for your choice! Toxic sludge ponds of mercury and other heavy metals left behind in the battery making process, not to mention the destruction of land to extract these rare earth metals. The march towards EV topia is driven by the nuclear lobby who wish to build more radiation forming plants to meet a growing need for electricity.
@robertclarke2365 Well I have to admit that I have never driven an Outback. But I have driven a 2022 Lexus ES F Sport AWD which I am willing to bet beats an outback in most aspects of driving and it fell woefully short of the model 3 performance, bmw I and Lucid Air Pure I drove. You are right however, acceleration speed is not everything. You will notice I did not complain about the 328's 0 to 60 (though I don't like it) Far more important is a predictable and consistent acceleration curve. That lag i showed can be down right dangerous and nearly got me rear ended once. As far as electromagnetic radiation. There are a good number of videos and studies out there disproving it. The last one I saw showed the highest source of radiation was the infotainment system (which is also in gas cars). You are correct that mining for materials for batteries causes pollution at a rate higher than drilling for oil, but it's life cycle is much cleaner in the long run. An EV battery can be used for 10 years, then be moved to static storage for at least that much longer. When it is no longer usable it can be recycled. This part does create pollution but at a much lower rate than gas production. Compare that to a gallon of gas that is burned and then you need another. This is all without regard to the chemical process of refining gasoline. People are frequently citing EV battery use of cobalt and how that is so unethical but this is being phased out of the production of batteries. You know where it is still being used? Gas refining. It is used to remove sulfur from the gas. Lastly, do you have a source for the nuclear plant companies pushing EVs? First because this is the first time I have heard that and second because if anyone was it would likely be renewable companies than nuclear.
I'm still driving a 2007 Prius and very much looking forward to having an EV. The wait is at least partly justifying replacing a still fully functional and low polluting car. Still, with the few minutes I have had behind the wheel of an EV, I can't imagine going back to ICE once I go to an EV. Conditions would have to be extreme for me to do so.
@@wingsounds13 Thanks for the comment. I get it, why replace a car if it works and meets your needs, especially with the higher interest rates and how over priced new cars are today. Also, from a green perspective, keeping your car is greener than buying a new EV (though a used EV would be greener). All that said, I look forward to the day you get your EV 😁
@@Wings_Wheels_and_WiresGreen? Poisonous THERMAL RUN-AWAY FIRES or slave child labor digging Lithium, cobalt instead of school? Have you seen those green stripped mines in Africa? Not in my backyard.
@DoubtingThomas-mx8sl Whether cobalt or lithium, the mines in Africa are terrible, no disagreement there. Unfortunately, Africa's history is full of human rights abuses and this is just another. funny you say "not in my backyard" because the only true way to make sure such abuses do occur is to bring mining and processing into the USA. this also helps hedge against China monopolizing the future of transportation.
I can see how your video could rub some the wrong way; because most people have deep affection for their own cars ... but I'm in total agreement on never going back to an ICE. I am on my 20th car right now; it's a Tesla Model Y dual motor LR. I've spent my entire life doing my own maintenance, rebuilding engines included. Bought a 2017 Chevy Bolt used after my son totaled our Toyota Avalon (after I just sunk $2000 in parts rebuilding suspension, etc). I immediately fell in love with the power, quiet operation, ease of operation, one pedal driving, and zero maintenance of the Bolt. The only place it failed us was long trips in the winter (we live in the Colorado mountains); so we moved up to the Model Y; no more driving cold. We save approximately $1500/yr on gas, and god only knows how much on maintenance; which was $200 for 4 years in the Bolt (broken sun visors!).
@@davidcongour61 Thanks and I get how some people can take my feelings on gas cars personally, which it truly is not meant to be. I also am aware of how douchy it could sound, but it isn't a green thing but a performance issue. Just like you when I first drove an EV I fell in love. You can't beat the way they drive. Of course, it doesn't help that I hated driving my wife's 328 even when I was driving my gas powered Z3. 😂
@@davidcongour61 Oh and I am sorry about the 2k of brand new parts lost with the Avalon. My tires on the i3 had about 400 miles on them before the accident. Scary to think of them going straight to the wrecking yard. Thank God it looks like that won't be the case.
@@Wings_Wheels_and_Wireswrecking yard? What is that? Like a junk yard? They need to put the EV's far away since they re-ignite sometimes weeks or months later. Have they invented a THERMAL RUN-AWAY FIRE EXTINGUISHER 🔥 yet?
@@DoubtingThomas-mx8sl Yes, they are the same thing and the battery was not damaged so thermal runaway is not an issue. Also, while they certainly don't have a thermal runaway fire extinguisher they do have firefighting equipment that is specialized for EVs
@@sinistersilverado965 * would agree completely if that were the case. Nationwide here in the US, coal makes up 16.5 percent of the power generation. And while I would love to see that number get lower, still make driving an eEV better
@@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires disinformation: 60% of electricity is generated by fossil fuels. Coal and natural gas are both fossil fuels. Your comment also ignores the cost of just having renewables and that in addition to the renewable only making up 20% of electricity that with more EV's comes more electricity demand. Hopefully you'll be OK with a wind farm in your neighborhood along with acres of solar panels.
@@dbmn7571 Please read the comments before replying. It will keep you from looking dumb. The original comment was specific to coal. My reply was specific to coal. If you want to expect the topic, great. But doing so doesn't make the original discussion misinformation. You are correct that renewables only makes up about 20 percent, which exceeds the amount made by coal and the amount made by nuclear. Total fossil fuels still exceed it but these numbers improve every year at a rate of about 1 percent renewable adoption per year. As for windmills in my back yard. Not necessary. My solar panels cover more than my current EV usage.
Even if the electricity was 100% produced by coal, EVs would STILL be better for everyone; as they would move the pollution from high population density urban areas, where everyone has to inhale the toxic and carcinogenic exhaust outputs - to the much lower density areas where the average power station is built; in addition, the pollution produced per KWh of energy is far lower from a power station, than an ICE car.
I drive a Rivian R1T electric truck. I’m owned a Tesla, Toyota rav4 EV, and a Nissan leaf. I also own a Lexus IS 350c. The Rivian is my daily. Home charging, zero maintenance, great range (332). I drive 80 miles a day and the cost is less than 80 bucks a month. Gas would cost $80 a week in a ICE truck.
@@keithjames4658 Thanks for the comment. Agree completely. I had a 50 mile commute and with my gas Z3 I was spending between 8 and 10 dollars daily as compared to about 3 a day with my electric i3.
I drove about 1,000,000 miles in mostly high end petrol cars, all manual transmission; after 60 miles in an elderly, budget EV, I hated getting back into an ICE car; I got lent a brand new, top of the range, petrol SUV - hated it, and I was at the garage early on the day my little EV was due to be ready, HOPING it would be ready early; every time it has needed to go into a garage since then, I have opted to sit in the waiting room all day, rather than take the ICE courtesy car home. (Nearly all of those garage visits were due to a garage mess-up, necessitating some very expensive parts needing replacement, then various niggles caused by that initial fuck-up). As for all the range anxiety claims, my old EV came with WLTP range of 94 miles, and at 8 years old, it still gets pretty much that range; and I have done over 440 miles in a single day; with the main stress being both the major roads on the middle section of my route being closed, causing 75 miles of unsignposted diversions - at 1am in the morning, down mostly unrated, unlit single track lanes.
@@ianemery2925 Wow! I have had people agree and disagree in these comments, but none were MORE sold on their EV than me...until you. My hat off to you good sir. And that is with high end cars (not crap boxes), manual transmissions (which drive better than automatics) and an old budget EV. I'm afraid if you go drive something like a lucid air, you might be so inspired you make a completing UA-cam channel and put me out of business 😂😂😂 As for range anxiety, there are sadly still places where charging is almost non-existent, but they are reducing daily and the opening of the Supercharger Network to other EVs will almost completely fix that.
@@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires Yes, there are gaps, some huge gaps, in charging station covered, but here is where it gets great; you can plonk down an acre of solar panels in the middle of nowhere, hook it up to a bank of batteries, and have a self-sustaining charging station; one of the great things happening in remote areas of Africa right now, is installing solar panels on barn roofs, then using the power for charging electric tractors and other farm equipment.
@ianemery2925 You are absolutely correct. The problem that we have today is that this takes time and the haters are are judging EVs by what is a available today.
@@gdholmfirth I shall. As for what's a in my video, you chose to watch it when the title was pretty clear. Finally, I do sincerely do wish you well with you ICE car
I could not go back to my gas truck, no how no way. I went back to a DIESEL truck and I’m never going back. There is nothing like the roar of a 1000 foot lbs of torque pushing you back in your seat!! 😂😂😂😂 I await and will ignore all your comments😂😂
@@stevemiller6580 Thanks for the comment. I assume that's a typo and you love your EV6. One of my friends has one and loves his too. Seems like a nice car and a 5.1 second 0 to 60 beats most gas cars. 😁
@@MichaelDavis-e9o Well humans do only walk an average of 2 miles a day which is pretty terrible. I assume however you meant something else. Please elaborate.
I could not go back to my gas truck, no how no way. I went back to a DIESEL truck and I’m never going back. There is nothing like the roar of a 1000 foot lbs of torque pushing you back in your seat!! 😂😂😂😂 I await and will ignore all your comments😂😂
Hi all. There is a relatively high dislike ratio. If you disagree with the video that's fine, but I would love to hear what you didn't like?
What about all the children dying from lithium mining,you probably won't admit there's a problem because your invested in ev
@johnharrison4817 actually had not heard of that being a problem with lithium. It is much more associated with cobalt, which is being phased out of EV batteries, but not gas production.
@@AdamA-pm3yn Thanks for the input. This video is not necessarily meant to represent all of either category. It is the experience with the vehicles I have at hand. Also while the Armada and Z3 are both significantly older vehicles the 328 is a much closer comparison. 2012 with 57k miles vs 2017 with 93k miles is not an exact match, but not an unreasonable one.
As far as a commercial, hardly. Simply my opinion. Making this video was based on my experience. You are right that there is nothing new here except my realization of the impact of these points. Kind of like saying Texas is big is nothing new, but someone who already knew that will have Avery diff realization of the fact after they have spent 2 days driving through it.
@AdamA-pm3yn Everything is a war? Very nihilistic. FUN! No interest in deceiving you at all. I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Skill.
LOL. I made a comment disagreeing with you yet 2 days ago you're asking for comments from viewers due to getting so many dislikes. If you only come from one side of a topic you're going to be called out...and you were called out by others AND myself. I take offense by your comment saying, "your dumb". Don't create YT content and publish for others to see if you don't want to hear from viewers.
I'll say it again...historical renewables that have nothing to do with the "new renewable religion", e.g. hydro, biomass, and geothermal you're left with 14% of electricity generation in the USA. Look at the traditional-reliable power sources totaling 85% of electricity in the USA. With the "new renewables" , you'll need thousands of acres of land to get to 25% of electricity as well as the substantial costs to backup with the renewables as well as the transmit and make the renewable energy usable throughout the grid. Why not clean coal plants which we've had as well as nuclear at a fraction of the footprint of renewables AND those sources last 60+ years compared to renewables that last 1/2 the years they were predicted to last (20 years vs 10 years).
We got RID of our EV , better thing we ever did. Back to gas , happy days are here again
@@Lithiumdead I'm glad that you have settled on a vehicle that meets your needs. How did the EV not do that?
I bet you don't miss waiting 8 hours at W@lmart to charge on a throttled charging system. (Diesel) back up. Did you have fire insurance on it? How about explosion insurance? Who were you able to insure with? Did your premiums go down after getting rid of that fire hazard?
@DoubtingThomas-mx8sl Ok so now I am wondering if your a bot or did you just Google "dumbest anti- EV things is can say" 8 hours at Walmart? Why would that ever happen? If your going to comment on an EV channel, please do some research because that sounded just plain stupid. Explosion insurance? Really dude, listen to Scotty has given you a mind virus.
@@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires would like pictures of our local W@lmart?
@DoubtingThomas-mx8sl I'm not sure how a picture will show an 8 hour charge time, but they are fools for using that charger. First because if they can't charge at home then an EV is a questionable choice and second is even if there is a very limited number of characters in your area there has got to be some alternative within 20 to 30 miles. would happily drive that far to not sit at the charger so long.
I am glad to hear that you miss your EV because I don’t miss mine 😂
@@rohansplaytimefamilyadvent5058 Maybe not you but I bet someone in your house does... especially the speed 😂
😂 I guess 😂
@rohansplaytimefamilyadvent5058 I know 😎
@rohansplaytimefamilyadvent5058 Plus, it's hard to miss it when you weren't allowed to drive it 🤣😂🤣😂
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He studies fires from EV's around the world. People are dying. Houses are burning. The school bus fire in Quebec ended in a lawsuit and 400 lay-off's at the Lion's school bus company in Illinois. 8 deaths in France and Toronto in 2 Tesla fires. One survivor in Toronto who went to a burn center hospital.
@@DoubtingThomas-mx8sl These are all sad events and I certainly hope that the problems that caused these fires are found and addressed. The layoffs at the bus manufacturer sound like there was a real problem with the way they built the buses. The Toronto fire deaths have less to do with the batteries and much more to do with just how foolish it is to have no mechanical release on car doors. EVs have caused deaths and that sucks but your argument is based on gas cars having not done the same, which is not only not the case but the frequency of gas car fires is about 175 times higher. Batteries DO have inherent dangers, but we have accepted those dangers for a long time. I assume the phone/computer/table you are commenting on doesn't run on gas?
There is nothing better than the smell of a gasoline powered car.
@@nemesisd2010 To each their own. If you enjoy it, good for you. I do not. I do like the low growl of a well tuned gas car though
Why would anyone buy a BMW. Look at me?@@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires
Do you carry marshmallows in your frunk? I wonder how they taste after heating them at 4500 degrees? Those poisnous Thermal RUN-AWAY FIRES are safe and effective.@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires
There's nothing better than the confidence that comes with a gas powered car when you're 500 miles away from anything you don't have to worry How about if you're going to make it or not Or when the power goes out don't have to worry about how are you going to get around Or when you got a trailer to tow how you going to make.it. electric cars have their place but they are not replacing gas powered cars tomorrow
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@dodgeking9194 Let me start with where we completely agree. They are not replacing gas cars tomorrow. I'm not sure they will ever completely replace them. I think before that happens we will have come up with an even better alternative. This is just how advancements in technology work. There is a lot I can say to challenge the availability of charging in your comment, but for the key word in it, confidence. The chances of being stranded without available charging is extremely low, but not zero. And until it becomes zero people will have some apprehension about EVs. When I bought my i3 in 2020 I made it a point to get one with a gas powered range extender. And while I almost never use it I was in an area last year where it really saved my back side.
Why would you compare driving a 20 plus year old ICE vehicle with a near new EV Just buy a modern ICE vehicle and youll be better off. Just compare apples with apples Simple.
@darrenfechner5613 Thanks for the comment and I appreciate the reality that a newer car could perform better. That said; the cars I compared are the cars I have and the one I have driven the most is the 2012 328 and my 2017 i3. The 5 years difference is not nothing but it is also not huge, especially since the i3 has 30k more miles on it and was fundamentally unchanged model since it came out in 2014. additionally I have (not this week) driven my son's 2022 Lexus ES F Sport and while it quite nice, it is not enough to pull me away from my i3.
Haha. It just takes getting used to again. I appreciate the character of internal combustion engine powered driving.
@@montanawildcat5198 There is indeed a character gas cars have that EVs don't. Mostly the sound. As far as getting used to it. I am sure I can just like I have gotten used to chronic back pain. 😂
Battery-tech isn't in a place yet that is suitable for mass EV adoption IMO. Perhaps once the industry moves past Lithium-Ion & all of its drawbacks/limitations/vulnerabilities.
@oligarchy-usa There is room for debate on whether they are there yet, but I fully agree the improvements in battery tech will help adoption a LOT.
When money is not a serious object....
@@kirkdarling4120 Not sure how you mean that? If my car had been totaled I would likely have bought another i3. I could replace it with the newer (2019) model with slightly longer range for about 20k. Minus the 4k used EV tax credit and that makes it 16k. Well worth the gas savings.
While I disagree with you, I agree that you have the right to say it and hold that opinion. There are plusses and minuses for each option.
EVs are good options for a second car if you can afford it. Why a second car? When I drive a long distance, I don't have to concern myself with refueling. Therefore an EV can't be my primary vehicle. That is the primary issue. Refueling while on major trips. Around the city only? Then it makes much more sense.
EVs are still cost prohibitive. We need subsidies to cover the costs. That means poor people pay rich people to have EVs. Morally, that is repugnant to me.
EV batteries will not last as long as the frame. So the car doesn't last as long as ICE cars.
EVs drive better (don't care).
EVs have a cool factor (don't care)
So to me, the most important factors have me driving the ICE cars for a while longer.
@@paulmoulton7248 Let me start by saying, I love the first paragraph. We don't have to agree to have a discussion. Comments have called this video an advertisement and propaganda simply because they disagree.
As for having the EV as a second car, that seems a completely reasonable stand and was actually the philosophy with which I bought mine. In my case it just ended up being the only car we drive and I have to make a special drive each year in our gas cars in order to cycle the monitors to pass their annual smog check. My only challenge to your philosophy is if most of your driving is local, which one is really your primary vehicle? 😁
As far as EVs being too expensive, you are absolutely right. This is changing, but not enough yet. That said, everyone focuses on the new EV credit but there is a used EV credit as well and EVs depreciate faster than gas cars so it is not hard to find an EV under 20k and knock off another 4k. You can still get the full credit all the way down to just over 13k meaning you can get that car for 9k. Pretty affordable.i appreciate your dislike for the new EV tax credit helping people with money get expensive cars, but when they get rid of them, they become much cheaper used EVs. My car as an example, it was 56k new, which is insane. It was a lease and the person likely got the 7500 credit. I bought it 2 years later as a CPO which means it only lost one year of warranty and I got it for 20k. If they had the used EV credit at the time, I would have paid 16k.
Battery longevity is an interesting issue because they do degrade and we are still learning about just how fast or slow that happens. Daa for this is kind of all over the place but generally they are lasting longer than expected and newer battery chemistries are likely to last much longer. Anecdotally, my 7 year old i3 with 93k miles on it has about 8 percent degradation, which is fine by me. Since my car is made of cfrp, it will outlast the battery
...and any gas engine.
We definitely have different views on vehicle performance. You noted that you don't care, which is good for you. For me it is vital here in the wild West (California) acceleration and manoeuvrability are vital and I find myself so incredibly frustrated by not having it.
And of course the bottom line is if a gas car is what works best for you, by all means enjoy it!
Many People can't charge at home.
@@patricknintemann924 Very true. There are some workarounds for that, but ultimately if those are not convenient then maybe an EV is not a right choice for them.
FJB ad
@@tomc.2808 Ad would imply I got paid, which I didn't. I would love to have been, but I don't. And what is FJB?
I have a 911 and a 1965 Mustang and My Tesla S is my daily. 700hp, lifetime supercharging, awesome!! Thinking about buying a $5k Suburban for towing, but I'd prefer driving the S
@fboomerang All awesome cars. so is the S your daily drive just for the free fuel or is the drive better too?
@@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires Whenver I'm on a mountain road the question is "can I pass this guy" and the answer is almost always "YES" because 700hp!! Holy moley this car is fun to drive!!
@fboomerang That's what I'm talking about! with my wife's 328......no, I can't 😭
A modern ice car is nowhere near like driving a EV.The silence.The uptake and the relaxing way you can drive an EV.Ours is a E Berlingo not for sale in the States.Basically a small van .I have driven many cars over the years but EV's are taking over believe me.
@@foppo100 Agreed. I have driven my son's 2022 Lexus ES F Sport and still like my 2017 i3 better.
Funniest PROPAGANDA yet😂. Thankfully, you didn't hit it with an EV. Do you keep your THERMAL RUN-AWAY FIRE EXTINGUISHER in your locked FRUNK? Did you see the 4 dead evangelists in France? Or, the 4 dead ones in Toronto? The lucky one was pulled out and sent to the burn unit. All brands are burning and or exploding around the world. So green.
@@DoubtingThomas-mx8sl EV fired do happen and when they do they are more severe. That said how many gas car fires were there in Toronto and France in the same year. In the USA we average about 20 EV fires per year as compared to 3,400 gas car fires. Why don't those gas car fires make the headlines? In the Tornado case, the bigger issue than the fuel type was that the Tesla they were in has electronic only door handles and it lost power. Part of my reason for not buying a Tesla. My i3 has good old fashioned mechanical handles. Lastly how is having an opinion based on my real life experience suddenly become PROPAGANDA? That is such a small minded way to try to dismiss opinions that vary from your own.
I have never heard of a gas or diesel Thermal RUN-AWAY FIRE. @@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires
Small minded? Life experience? DEI? I wonder who you voted for? How about those Green African children digging Lithium and cobalt instead of going to school. FJB said EV is the only way. In 2 weeks we will see.😮
clearly not thermal runaway, but gas does catch fire.
You must need glasses. You can't fix stupid.@@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires
Have you figured out how to run on H2O, if not I'm not interested. I want my car to be able to run for free, free energy baby. There's a way to do it and it's been known for years. There's even a guy that knows how to do something to a carburetor to make one gallon of gas lost about 200,000 MI, explain that. Maybe we should go back to horses, since cars are becoming too expensive to own. I'm going back to antiques, give me something from the 80s of the 90s. You can keep the rest of those garbage buckets.
@@reginafisher9919 Sadly, no. Though if/when that comes out I might just have to switch to that. In the meantime , check out Aptera. They are working on a car that runs on sunlight. That's even better than water and totally free.As for going to horses, sorry no. The 0 to 60 and top speed is a little lacking and the high speed range is terrible. They are however, much nicer to talk to than any car. 😁
@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires That is a 3 wheel motorcycle. Dude
@@DoubtingThomas-mx8sl with an enclosed cabin so no helmet needed. Categorized as an autocycle. Not for everyone, but it does have the potential to have a zero fuel cost.
One low mileage week... hardly a long term review of EV ownership.
@@CoryRoy You would be absolutely right....If this was about a week of EV ownership. I have had my EV for almost five years. This has been a week of having to drive gas cars and while a week would seem like a short time, I was already hating it on day one....and convinced on day three when I had driven all three.
@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires Thanks for the clarification. I appreciate the response and your perspective .
@@CoryRoy No worries. Have a great one!
ohh boy.
@@ken85225 Thanks for the comment, though I'm not sure what to take from it. Could you elaborate please?
When you can charge at home and don't drive more a day then what the ev has range, you don't have a problem. Once you go on a longer drive and you arw dependent on fast charging, it can get really annoying. Not always. But you never have to wait to fill a gas car. With an ev you are always doing many 10 to 20 minute stops. And sometimes there is a line and you can't make it to the next charger so you have no choice then to wait. Many chargers are also broken. Yes road trips can be done but with a gas car you don't need to plan for fuel stops because gas stations are everywhere and refueling is fast.
@@patricknintemann924 Thanks for the comment and good points. EVs are certainly at their best when you have access to home charging and don't need to use outside chargers. Charging on road trips is certainly less convenient with an EV. Smart route planning can make this less inconvenient and newer EVs are charging faster but it is still more time consuming. This should be a serious consideration when buying a car. How much do you road trip beyond the range of your vehicle. If the answer is very frequently then maybe an EV is not right for you. But if not very frequently then maybe it is. I actually did a video on this which you should check out that addressed this exact issue. People tend to focus on time lost charging on road trips but miss how much time saved charging at home.
You might just seriously consider, going back to a gas powered vehicle, if those
batteries, in your beloved EV, decide to explode, and burn your house, and your gas
powered vehicles, to cinders...
Like 🇫🇷 France and Canada 🇨🇦, 4 dead in each EV. The Toronto cremation spared one that went to the burn unit. Wait to see what will happen to insurance premiums. State Farm Insurance Company no longer allows EV's to charge on their properties. The Quebec School bus fire (EV) preceeded 400 lay offs and lawsuits, Insurance claims against the Lion School Bus Company in Illinois. ETC....
@@777-v7u That would be bad. Though statistically much less likely than one of my gas cars doing the same.
@@DoubtingThomas-mx8sl You are correct. There are EVs that have caught fire and people have died. There are also many more people who have died in gas car fires. Funny how those don't make the news though.
What to rationalize your next big purchase
@@arthurkineard7356 I assume you mean "Way" and thankfully since shooting this video I have been told my baby will be saved
@@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires Yeap. Hope you got what you wanted.
@arthurkineard7356 Thank and yes I did. I very much love my car.
Don't like verything you say! Go out and buy a new Subaru outback and compare that. I have classic cars that are 50yrs old that I would rather drive than an electric roller skate. I had an online argument with a person regarding EB's They told me nothing accelerates like an electric bike, to which I said, they confuse acceleration with driving pleasure. Going fast is not the be and end all of traveling. It's a feeling. I guess if you have lost or never gained that sense of driving then you need an EV, but remember you are also getting huge amounts of electro magnetic radiation while driving these things and have no consideration for the planet accept for your imediate surroundings, or you would investigate the true cost of polution to other countries for your choice! Toxic sludge ponds of mercury and other heavy metals left behind in the battery making process, not to mention the destruction of land to extract these rare earth metals. The march towards EV topia is driven by the nuclear lobby who wish to build more radiation forming plants to meet a growing need for electricity.
@robertclarke2365 Well I have to admit that I have never driven an Outback. But I have driven a 2022 Lexus ES F Sport AWD which I am willing to bet beats an outback in most aspects of driving and it fell woefully short of the model 3 performance, bmw I and Lucid Air Pure I drove. You are right however, acceleration speed is not everything. You will notice I did not complain about the 328's 0 to 60 (though I don't like it) Far more important is a predictable and consistent acceleration curve. That lag i showed can be down right dangerous and nearly got me rear ended once. As far as electromagnetic radiation. There are a good number of videos and studies out there disproving it. The last one I saw showed the highest source of radiation was the infotainment system (which is also in gas cars). You are correct that mining for materials for batteries causes pollution at a rate higher than drilling for oil, but it's life cycle is much cleaner in the long run. An EV battery can be used for 10 years, then be moved to static storage for at least that much longer. When it is no longer usable it can be recycled. This part does create pollution but at a much lower rate than gas production. Compare that to a gallon of gas that is burned and then you need another. This is all without regard to the chemical process of refining gasoline. People are frequently citing EV battery use of cobalt and how that is so unethical but this is being phased out of the production of batteries. You know where it is still being used? Gas refining. It is used to remove sulfur from the gas. Lastly, do you have a source for the nuclear plant companies pushing EVs? First because this is the first time I have heard that and second because if anyone was it would likely be renewable companies than nuclear.
I'm still driving a 2007 Prius and very much looking forward to having an EV. The wait is at least partly justifying replacing a still fully functional and low polluting car. Still, with the few minutes I have had behind the wheel of an EV, I can't imagine going back to ICE once I go to an EV. Conditions would have to be extreme for me to do so.
@@wingsounds13 Thanks for the comment. I get it, why replace a car if it works and meets your needs, especially with the higher interest rates and how over priced new cars are today. Also, from a green perspective, keeping your car is greener than buying a new EV (though a used EV would be greener). All that said, I look forward to the day you get your EV 😁
@@Wings_Wheels_and_WiresGreen? Poisonous THERMAL RUN-AWAY FIRES or slave child labor digging Lithium, cobalt instead of school? Have you seen those green stripped mines in Africa? Not in my backyard.
@DoubtingThomas-mx8sl Whether cobalt or lithium, the mines in Africa are terrible, no disagreement there. Unfortunately, Africa's history is full of human rights abuses and this is just another. funny you say "not in my backyard" because the only true way to make sure such abuses do occur is to bring mining and processing into the USA. this also helps hedge against China monopolizing the future of transportation.
There is no future for EV's. Why do you think State Farm Insurance no longer lets anyone charge on their properties? Insurance claims/ losses.
@DoubtingThomas-mx8sl I would debate this with you but the real is neither of us has a crystal ball so waste of time
I can see how your video could rub some the wrong way; because most people have deep affection for their own cars ... but I'm in total agreement on never going back to an ICE. I am on my 20th car right now; it's a Tesla Model Y dual motor LR. I've spent my entire life doing my own maintenance, rebuilding engines included. Bought a 2017 Chevy Bolt used after my son totaled our Toyota Avalon (after I just sunk $2000 in parts rebuilding suspension, etc). I immediately fell in love with the power, quiet operation, ease of operation, one pedal driving, and zero maintenance of the Bolt. The only place it failed us was long trips in the winter (we live in the Colorado mountains); so we moved up to the Model Y; no more driving cold. We save approximately $1500/yr on gas, and god only knows how much on maintenance; which was $200 for 4 years in the Bolt (broken sun visors!).
@@davidcongour61 Thanks and I get how some people can take my feelings on gas cars personally, which it truly is not meant to be. I also am aware of how douchy it could sound, but it isn't a green thing but a performance issue. Just like you when I first drove an EV I fell in love. You can't beat the way they drive. Of course, it doesn't help that I hated driving my wife's 328 even when I was driving my gas powered Z3. 😂
@@davidcongour61 Oh and I am sorry about the 2k of brand new parts lost with the Avalon. My tires on the i3 had about 400 miles on them before the accident. Scary to think of them going straight to the wrecking yard. Thank God it looks like that won't be the case.
@@Wings_Wheels_and_Wireswrecking yard? What is that? Like a junk yard? They need to put the EV's far away since they re-ignite sometimes weeks or months later. Have they invented a THERMAL RUN-AWAY FIRE EXTINGUISHER 🔥 yet?
@@DoubtingThomas-mx8sl Yes, they are the same thing and the battery was not damaged so thermal runaway is not an issue. Also, while they certainly don't have a thermal runaway fire extinguisher they do have firefighting equipment that is specialized for EVs
Maybe you can educate Stache D Training. He is an EV engineer and firefighter. An electrical engineer.
if you wake up, you can. forget about the EV scam !!
@@Cableman-hr2uu I have saved a lot of money driving a car I really enjoy...no scam there
I think perhaps you have gotten used to single pedal driving and find using two pedals confusing. Enjoy EVs while they last.
@@parkependleton6453 Confusing, no. Wasted energy, absolutely! Using your momentum to destroy pads and disks when it could be adding to your fuel 😱😱😱
I prefer gasoline cars over coal powered EV's
@@sinistersilverado965 * would agree completely if that were the case. Nationwide here in the US, coal makes up 16.5 percent of the power generation. And while I would love to see that number get lower, still make driving an eEV better
@@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires disinformation: 60% of electricity is generated by fossil fuels. Coal and natural gas are both fossil fuels. Your comment also ignores the cost of just having renewables and that in addition to the renewable only making up 20% of electricity that with more EV's comes more electricity demand. Hopefully you'll be OK with a wind farm in your neighborhood along with acres of solar panels.
@@dbmn7571 Please read the comments before replying. It will keep you from looking dumb. The original comment was specific to coal. My reply was specific to coal. If you want to expect the topic, great. But doing so doesn't make the original discussion misinformation.
You are correct that renewables only makes up about 20 percent, which exceeds the amount made by coal and the amount made by nuclear. Total fossil fuels still exceed it but these numbers improve every year at a rate of about 1 percent renewable adoption per year.
As for windmills in my back yard. Not necessary. My solar panels cover more than my current EV usage.
Even if the electricity was 100% produced by coal, EVs would STILL be better for everyone; as they would move the pollution from high population density urban areas, where everyone has to inhale the toxic and carcinogenic exhaust outputs - to the much lower density areas where the average power station is built; in addition, the pollution produced per KWh of energy is far lower from a power station, than an ICE car.
@ianemery2925 Thanks for that and very true. Plus, that is IF it were 100 percent coal which it certainly is NOT
I drive a Rivian R1T electric truck. I’m owned a Tesla, Toyota rav4 EV, and a Nissan leaf. I also own a Lexus IS 350c. The Rivian is my daily. Home charging, zero maintenance, great range (332). I drive 80 miles a day and the cost is less than 80 bucks a month. Gas would cost $80 a week in a ICE truck.
@@keithjames4658 Thanks for the comment. Agree completely. I had a 50 mile commute and with my gas Z3 I was spending between 8 and 10 dollars daily as compared to about 3 a day with my electric i3.
I drove about 1,000,000 miles in mostly high end petrol cars, all manual transmission; after 60 miles in an elderly, budget EV, I hated getting back into an ICE car; I got lent a brand new, top of the range, petrol SUV - hated it, and I was at the garage early on the day my little EV was due to be ready, HOPING it would be ready early; every time it has needed to go into a garage since then, I have opted to sit in the waiting room all day, rather than take the ICE courtesy car home.
(Nearly all of those garage visits were due to a garage mess-up, necessitating some very expensive parts needing replacement, then various niggles caused by that initial fuck-up).
As for all the range anxiety claims, my old EV came with WLTP range of 94 miles, and at 8 years old, it still gets pretty much that range; and I have done over 440 miles in a single day; with the main stress being both the major roads on the middle section of my route being closed, causing 75 miles of unsignposted diversions - at 1am in the morning, down mostly unrated, unlit single track lanes.
@@ianemery2925 Wow! I have had people agree and disagree in these comments, but none were MORE sold on their EV than me...until you. My hat off to you good sir.
And that is with high end cars (not crap boxes), manual transmissions (which drive better than automatics) and an old budget EV. I'm afraid if you go drive something like a lucid air, you might be so inspired you make a completing UA-cam channel and put me out of business 😂😂😂
As for range anxiety, there are sadly still places where charging is almost non-existent, but they are reducing daily and the opening of the Supercharger Network to other EVs will almost completely fix that.
@@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires Yes, there are gaps, some huge gaps, in charging station covered, but here is where it gets great; you can plonk down an acre of solar panels in the middle of nowhere, hook it up to a bank of batteries, and have a self-sustaining charging station; one of the great things happening in remote areas of Africa right now, is installing solar panels on barn roofs, then using the power for charging electric tractors and other farm equipment.
@ianemery2925 You are absolutely correct. The problem that we have today is that this takes time and the haters are are judging EVs by what is a available today.
Then don't go back. Stop whining about it. Keep your EV stuff and I will keep my ICE. Everyone is happy.
@@gdholmfirth I shall. As for what's a in my video, you chose to watch it when the title was pretty clear. Finally, I do sincerely do wish you well with you ICE car
EVERYONE ANT FUNDED BUY THE GOVERNMENT
My car was not eligible for the tax credit, so not a penny of government funding there. This is the problem with assuming.
I could not go back to my gas truck, no how no way. I went back to a DIESEL truck and I’m never going back. There is nothing like the roar of a 1000 foot lbs of torque pushing you back in your seat!! 😂😂😂😂 I await and will ignore all your comments😂😂
I left my e v six.It's a great car fun to drive.I will not go back to gas
@@stevemiller6580 Thanks for the comment. I assume that's a typo and you love your EV6. One of my friends has one and loves his too. Seems like a nice car and a 5.1 second 0 to 60 beats most gas cars. 😁
Speed kills@@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires
@DoubtingThomas-mx8sl but it is fun, and can be a very help tool at times.
You range sucks.
@@MichaelDavis-e9o Well humans do only walk an average of 2 miles a day which is pretty terrible. I assume however you meant something else. Please elaborate.
I could not go back to my gas truck, no how no way. I went back to a DIESEL truck and I’m never going back. There is nothing like the roar of a 1000 foot lbs of torque pushing you back in your seat!! 😂😂😂😂 I await and will ignore all your comments😂😂