What a great car and combo. This was my 36th straight US Nationals and I don’t think people realize how big this event is and to win a Wally in any stock class is a HUGE achievement.
Mad Irishman This car showed up on plenty of magazines throughout the 90s and early 2000s..I guess you must be new and to racing if you don’t know who Steve sullivan is 🤣😂
Awesome video Evan. Appreciate everything u do. I miss MMFF magazine 😢 when I was building my car back in 92 I couldn’t wait for the next new month to hit the shelves. Your a LEGEND brother!!!! 👍🏼🙏🏼
I race K/SA with an 87 Monte Carlo SS and SS/JA in a 1990 Corvette. I own an engine shop so I get to do a lot of experimentation. Im running well into the 11s (consistent 11.70s) with a 305. Ive found a combo that runs pretty hard but a new Dart Little M 305 block and custom ground cam and say bye bye to the current national record 11.65.
Kudos to anyone who can run 11's with an intake tract that flows 160 cfm! I know a lot of the power gains is from the camshaft. But these cars are dyno testing at 300+ rwhp! The normal car guy usually has to replace the whole top end to hit 300 rwhp.
Hell we did that in the late 90s. We even used what Crane Cams used to have which is called the fireball system used to be a piggy back on the ECU to where you could control timing and fuel. We had won the last ones and Crane Cams offered to buy it back from Jeff McBride.
Very interesting to hear some of the limitations and rules on racing in this class. I've always likes the fox body mustang's but never owned one. Cheers to your victory!
@@hs400 i agree there is alot of magic going on with these i respect them so much. The things he mentioned are def factors but that aint the only reasons its in the 11s.
Good for you Sir, znd I thank you for the memories. I've built and raced my 90 LX Hatch for many years, 302, 5 speed. My wife at the time, said I can do whatever I wanted as long as I kept the A.C. Boy did she regret that ha! Her first ride was her last ride, could have something to do with scraping the rear bumper leaving the line. Moral of the story, when your husband is a Engine Builder, sharing a shop with a Chassis Builder, choose your words wisely, just sayin 🇺🇸😎💪🇺🇸😎💪🇺🇸
I love all the experts here who don't have a clue what it takes to run the times they do and still be legal. Get a rule book and a car and try it sometime.
Great video Evan!!! I would like to see a video about the evolution of your 87.....I know you’re a busy man and a lot of that was covered in magazine articles but it would be cool to see it’s progression here on UA-cam
5.0 or fast fords had an article long time ago about welding the stock upper intake and reworking the runners for stock classes, forgot about it until I watched this video, pretty cool. 🦊 forever.
That awesome man ripping the front wheels off the ground with almost a stock motor u should be in a hot rod magazine awesome car I love its all metal body 2 u have that car figured out great car!👍👍👍👍👍🧠🤙🤙👊👊🤟🤟
Matt, I've known Jerry 25 years, and I've written a story on his Z/28 for Super Chevy magazine. The 302 has indeed been apart and maximized for NHRA Stock Eliminator. In no way is that a factory original engine. Please check your information.
REVan Evan what I was told is Jerry bought the car new and with exception of trans and tuning, the cork hasn’t been popped in the motor. Even if it has been, it’s unreal how fast that car is with this cubic inches. I run a small journal 302 in my 66 Chevy II and they’re definitely very cool engines
@@mattperkins7038 those are fantastic cars and some of my favorite Chevys. In addition to writing the story, I competed against Jerry in my H/S Ford Cobra Mustang with a 302 and 5-speed. (You can see videos of the car on this channel.) Like mine, Jerry's car is fully maximized to the NHRA Stock Eliminator rules, I assure you. This means blueprinting the engine, to minimize combustion chamber, overbore on engine, using a Stocker cam (stock lift, any duration and overlap), optimized valve job, open headers, plus optimized suspension, transmission and gear ratios, etc. With all due respect, I've seen a competent driver in bone stock 302 Z/28 produce low 13s with sticky tires. There is no way you're gonna run 10s with a stock 290 hp 302. The science doesn't add up. As an example, a stock 1993 Cobra runs low 13s, maybe high 12s with slicks. This is with a factory 235 hp engine at roughly 3,350 lbs. My car (same 1993 Cobra) in NHRA Stock trim has been 10.65/123 mph. On a wheel dyno my "235 hp" engine makes 415 hp (would be estimated 450 on an engine dyno) as built for the NHRA rules. It takes 450-475 (flywheel) hp to run mid-10s in Jerry's car. Lastly, what induction and transmission are you running, I love those cars!
I've noticed that newer cars never seem to transfer weight and pull the front wheel like they used to. Has there been some change in philosophies about how to get traction? I remember seeing pictures in magazines where they were pulling a front tire on stock SN95 Cobras with just a slick.
At this race the car was not up to par on launch as in the past. Theoretically you only want the front tires just off the ground. Any more is using energy in the wrong direction. In the faster Stockers and Super Stockers big wheelstands can catch air and slow the car's acceleration. On the other hand there are those who feel that the higher the wheelstand (up to a point) the more of the car's weight is imposed on the rear tires enhancing traction. Right Gary? This is more helpful and over comes any aerodynamic deficiencies. I like the second opinion if only because wheelstands are fun! LOL
@@madirishman1333 I always love to see wheelstands too. I'm just surprised how Fox bodies used to pull the tires so easily, but later model cars, even with a lot more power, never seem to.
great video love stock eliminator. amazing what is done to that car to make it run 11's with stock intake and valves and throttle body. love the way it lifts the front wheels too..
Very cool car. Easy to work on and relatively cheap to build. Youve obviously got it dialed in after years of tnt. Have a couple questions: 1. What kind of fuel do you run (allowed)? 2. Rear suspension mods/rear gears? 3. I noticed in the video that when you started your burnout, the back of the car raised up alittle. When i launch my s550 irs car, the rear squats quite a bit. I know your suspension setup is completely different, but which is better for launching? Should i tighten up my rear suspension to prevent squatting? Id just like the opinion of an accomplished FS racer. Thx.
Most Stocker guys run VP C11, C12, C16 or C25. Looks like when he started the burnout the tires were gripping right before they broke free from the track so it loaded the suspension and lifted the rear.
You're right. Completely different vehicle. Utilize and tune what works best for your combination. Squat works well for IRS type cars but be careful to monitor how much. Shock tuning is your friend.
So the throttle body and upper and lower intake are stock or stock-ish? I'm fascinated by stock and super stock. But, rarely do I find much info on combinations and what's allowed.
How much duration would give you a great advantage over stock cam? 308 stays open 308 degrees of a 360 degree revolution. That's allows open air and fuel into the combustion chamber. My question is what exact duration do you want and how do you know for your specific size of engine?
Great question, in Stock Eliminator you have to deal with stock lift to you not only have big duration (over 300), but the ramp rates are insane, so the valve opens very fast to get to max lift and shuts late. This takes increased spring pressure and stiff pushrods to prevent float. The "best" duration for any engine is determined by the combination (displacement, compression, desired rpm range, induction, etc.). In NHRA Stock with the 302 HO you have limited induction and weak exhaust ports so you need lots of duration, engine blueprinting and a great set of headers to increase air velocity in and out of the engine. Hope that helps. I don't know exactly what cam Steve is running, but I ran one with over 320 degrees duration in my Stocker engine.
Cool video nice to find your channel I met you at the track one time I had A F150 running mid elevens with less mods than the car in this video wonder if I could run that class of racing with my truck
Depends on the year, check the guide, I think 91-93f150's are in there but that's about it for years. (91-93 all ford trucks rangers/aerostars/f150's even E-150's are in the guide, wouldn't that be a rolling commercial! LOL!!
acts2211 Yeah I don’t know what the factory offered when this car was new but he is definitely running way more rear gear than what the factory would have offered.
They should allow the fox bodies to run iron gt 40 heads since the e7s suck so bad stock port. They would still be factory stock heads just a few years to late for the fox. Bc u know since ford put them on a explorer had they had them sooner u know they would have put them on during the years they kept increasing power on the h.o. and yes I know the cobra had them but that was 93 last year for fox and the cobra was a special 1 year car that by all rights needed to be better and stronger than a regular h.o fox.
Stockers, regardless of brand, are the coolest racecars on the planet!
Todd Boyer Would definitely agree! I come from the low end and all we knew where tricks with basic tools and a voltmeter. Proved a whole lot’
Todd Boyer, Agreed 100%! Nothing cooler than stock eliminator. 👍🏻
How do they verify that the internals are actually stock? I know nothing about racing.
they take intelligence not $$$
My '89 Fox is showroom original, from all the fasteners to the original white dot plugs. I guess that would make it 'true' stock?
What a great car and combo. This was my 36th straight US Nationals and I don’t think people realize how big this event is and to win a Wally in any stock class is a HUGE achievement.
I always have respect for a guy who does all the wrenching on his car, even the transmission!👊🙏
You sound like you think it’s difficult to build a trans.
Thank you Evan for bringing the foxbodies back into the spotlight! You are one of the O.G.s of the foxbody mustang.
You're welcome.
Why hasn’t this car made it into any of the Mustang magazines yet!? I’m tired of looking at the coyotes
It was in a magazine.. muscle mustang and fast fords..
The coyotes is what is in now the fox will always be legendary
@@davidpizzati9759 Uh, no it wasn't this car.
You sure??? It looks just like it .. even that old school accel dfi..
Mad Irishman This car showed up on plenty of magazines throughout the 90s and early 2000s..I guess you must be new and to racing if you don’t know who Steve sullivan is 🤣😂
This is what the foxbody was all about! Love it!
Fat cam duration, speed density, gears, the right converter and a guy who has done all his own R and D over the years, equals this car.
Evan, I’m so loving the stock eliminator and factory stock videos please keep them coming!
Will do, thanks for subscribing.
REVan Evan, Yes please do, love stock! 👍🏻
@@revanevan do you know what he had in his axle? Or was it supposed to be stock also?
@@oscarvillarreal8951 You can change gears so probably 4.86-5.14 range.
Congratulations on that Wally Steve. Great job. One of the nicest Stockers in the country! 6700rpm on a stock long runner EFI intake- WOW!
I had an discussion with someone about reving that high. That guy didn't believe you could get e7s and intake to do it.
Great spotlight on a good dude with a well sorted and clean car. Congrats on the win steve🏎👍 Keep up the great content Evan!
Awesome video Evan. Appreciate everything u do. I miss MMFF magazine 😢 when I was building my car back in 92 I couldn’t wait for the next new month to hit the shelves. Your a LEGEND brother!!!! 👍🏼🙏🏼
Thanks Frank.
Nice reliable setup without breaking your bank account and with a little history and love ! 👍👍
I race K/SA with an 87 Monte Carlo SS and SS/JA in a 1990 Corvette. I own an engine shop so I get to do a lot of experimentation. Im running well into the 11s (consistent 11.70s) with a 305. Ive found a combo that runs pretty hard but a new Dart Little M 305 block and custom ground cam and say bye bye to the current national record 11.65.
Kudos to anyone who can run 11's with an intake tract that flows 160 cfm! I know a lot of the power gains is from the camshaft. But these cars are dyno testing at 300+ rwhp! The normal car guy usually has to replace the whole top end to hit 300 rwhp.
Squeezing amazing numbers out of so many stock components, is truly next level !!
Hell we did that in the late 90s. We even used what Crane Cams used to have which is called the fireball system used to be a piggy back on the ECU to where you could control timing and fuel. We had won the last ones and Crane Cams offered to buy it back from Jeff McBride.
It’s gotta be the hat and those racing stickers that make it go 11s.
mrdrenalin69 mainly the hat.
Why did it show it get gaped in the first run tho
@@pandawillymofo6518 That was during qualifying, there are many cars in different classes running in NHRA Stock Eliminator.
Companies pay $300 per win if you use their parts.
Gotta get that contingency cash 💵
Stockish 5.0's have been running 11's since the late 80's with many trunk cars turning mid 12's with solid setup (stone stock engine) and good driver.
Yeah what era do you think this guy is from?!
Very interesting to hear some of the limitations and rules on racing in this class. I've always likes the fox body mustang's but never owned one. Cheers to your victory!
Thats a super sweet hatch, really unique build. Love the stockers 💰
Wow. How did I miss this one. Another great 5.0 video on a great racer, Evan. Enjoy the channel.
Thank you!
the reasons those cars are fast is tons of duration on the cam..super low gearing like 456s or lower and huge meat out back for traction...
A lot more to it than that
@@hs400 i agree there is alot of magic going on with these i respect them so much. The things he mentioned are def factors but that aint the only reasons its in the 11s.
@tel rep its a race car it dont matter what it drives like on the highway it probably never sees the highway.
Steve Sullivan is my role model 'keeping it stock and hitting 11
dang a wheelie and then run 11s.I dig it. I have never seen a car wheelie and run slower then low 10s and high 9s. Not knocking it I think it's cool
Check this out. Runs 12.60’s.
ua-cam.com/video/Va5Z-r5eaGs/v-deo.html
Congratulations Steve 👍
That’s a really good time to be mostly stock, hands down to the driver very good setup.. got me thinking about doing more suspension work to mine
Good luck Steve 'we will look for you racing that beauty
Always informative! Hopefully more people will get back into it.
Good for you Sir, znd I thank you for the memories. I've built and raced my 90 LX Hatch for many years, 302, 5 speed. My wife at the time, said I can do whatever I wanted as long as I kept the A.C.
Boy did she regret that ha! Her first ride was her last ride, could have something to do with scraping the rear bumper leaving the line. Moral of the story, when your husband is a Engine Builder, sharing a shop with a Chassis Builder, choose your words wisely, just sayin 🇺🇸😎💪🇺🇸😎💪🇺🇸
Evan, you remind me of someone that showed me how to go fast in a 5.0 back in the 90's. nice job!
Rune Bekkelund holy crap, how are you?
@@revanevan all good here , thanks. still have the same number?
@@RB66_ Yes I do, give me a call.
Pulls the front wheels and runs an 11.98? Love it!!!!
I love all the experts here who don't have a clue what it takes to run the times they do and still be legal. Get a rule book and a car and try it sometime.
Some people just can’t believe that it’s possible. They have no idea.
It's amazing no one here can Google rules so they can understand how a super stock car is built
Very nice Mustang Steve.
Love this!!!!
Congrats on the Indy win Steve.
Awesome Stang! I have a real stock all Ford '84 GT 5 speed that runs 12:90's at 106 mph.
Great video Evan!!! I would like to see a video about the evolution of your 87.....I know you’re a busy man and a lot of that was covered in magazine articles but it would be cool to see it’s progression here on UA-cam
Thanks!
50tussin does this all the time with junkyard parts and a T5!
Heck yeah!
Rodney is the man!
Fuck yeah he does!
The guy can slam gears
Yes he does and goes a little beyond with explaing things also with the bla bla bla ending
Congrats Sir,, way to bring home that Wally!!🥇🏆
5.0 or fast fords had an article long time ago about welding the stock upper intake and reworking the runners for stock classes, forgot about it until I watched this video, pretty cool. 🦊 forever.
That is super legit man, bad ass class with a bad ass dude 🤘🏼🦊
Wow 11s with all the stock parts speaks volumes
Zachary Miller Hard work and dedication!
Cool Mustang! Stock eliminator is the most interesting class in my opinion.
Cam, Headers, little bump in compression ratio, slicks and gears plus a little weight reduction. Not a secret.
LOVE THE FOX BODIES, SWEET.
Oh BTW, those headers are gorgeous. I can't believe that they are homemade!
Clean hatch🏁
Nice ending!
Good video - thought it was my car for a second!
Never knew ned beaty was into racing
He me until H.O. suspension... Cool ride and seems like a cool guy.
I’d love to go to Indy one of these years just to watch stock. 👍🏻
C&C Phx, I’m well aware of that, thanks. 👍🏻
That awesome man ripping the front wheels off the ground with almost a stock motor u should be in a hot rod magazine awesome car I love its all metal body 2 u have that car figured out great car!👍👍👍👍👍🧠🤙🤙👊👊🤟🤟
Bring back Project Stocker!!!
It's in the works
THIS is what the fans want! Not fuel cars. NHRA should get its head out of its ass!
Absolutely awesome, nice Wally!!
My wish built is a 306 sbf with n41 cam gt40 intake and heads in a falcon or maverick
Fox seats are already kinda lightweight and a lot more comfy!
Pretty awesome 30 plus year old technology 💪😀
Plus I like the fact with all the restrictions for his class ends up in the front...
Cool. Thank you for sharing.
Congrats from a fellow Ford guy
People commenting here saying this has been done in the 90s.
Unnn what era do you think this guy is from?! Lol
i know right lol
It's good to see Richard Dreyfuss branching out...
Jerry macneish (sp) has a 67 Z28 with the original, unopened 302 in it. Runs bottom 10s
Matt, I've known Jerry 25 years, and I've written a story on his Z/28 for Super Chevy magazine. The 302 has indeed been apart and maximized for NHRA Stock Eliminator. In no way is that a factory original engine. Please check your information.
REVan Evan what I was told is Jerry bought the car new and with exception of trans and tuning, the cork hasn’t been popped in the motor. Even if it has been, it’s unreal how fast that car is with this cubic inches. I run a small journal 302 in my 66 Chevy II and they’re definitely very cool engines
@@mattperkins7038 those are fantastic cars and some of my favorite Chevys. In addition to writing the story, I competed against Jerry in my H/S Ford Cobra Mustang with a 302 and 5-speed. (You can see videos of the car on this channel.) Like mine, Jerry's car is fully maximized to the NHRA Stock Eliminator rules, I assure you. This means blueprinting the engine, to minimize combustion chamber, overbore on engine, using a Stocker cam (stock lift, any duration and overlap), optimized valve job, open headers, plus optimized suspension, transmission and gear ratios, etc. With all due respect, I've seen a competent driver in bone stock 302 Z/28 produce low 13s with sticky tires. There is no way you're gonna run 10s with a stock 290 hp 302. The science doesn't add up. As an example, a stock 1993 Cobra runs low 13s, maybe high 12s with slicks. This is with a factory 235 hp engine at roughly 3,350 lbs. My car (same 1993 Cobra) in NHRA Stock trim has been 10.65/123 mph. On a wheel dyno my "235 hp" engine makes 415 hp (would be estimated 450 on an engine dyno) as built for the NHRA rules. It takes 450-475 (flywheel) hp to run mid-10s in Jerry's car. Lastly, what induction and transmission are you running, I love those cars!
I've noticed that newer cars never seem to transfer weight and pull the front wheel like they used to. Has there been some change in philosophies about how to get traction?
I remember seeing pictures in magazines where they were pulling a front tire on stock SN95 Cobras with just a slick.
At this race the car was not up to par on launch as in the past. Theoretically you only want the front tires just off the ground. Any more is using energy in the wrong direction. In the faster Stockers and Super Stockers big wheelstands can catch air and slow the car's acceleration. On the other hand there are those who feel that the higher the wheelstand (up to a point) the more of the car's weight is imposed on the rear tires enhancing traction. Right Gary? This is more helpful and over comes any aerodynamic deficiencies. I like the second opinion if only because wheelstands are fun! LOL
@@madirishman1333 I always love to see wheelstands too. I'm just surprised how Fox bodies used to pull the tires so easily, but later model cars, even with a lot more power, never seem to.
busslayer It’s not about how much power you make it’s about chassis setup. Among other things.
3360lbs, that’s surprisingly heavy. That’s a big gentleman.
Love stockers and love mustangs, currently building a U/SA 79 mustang 302 2bbl as my first stocker. I thought it was Richard Dreyfuss at first! LOL!!
Congrats on the Wally
Awesome!
Great story and journey. Would love to see it in action. Congrats on a long marriage. Great wife to give up her car. Lol
The guy said no porting and no polishing but they still port them.
You should check out my dad's new car Evan. You put his old car in the Muscle Mustangs magazine a few years ago.
great video love stock eliminator. amazing what is done to that car to make it run 11's with stock intake and valves and throttle body. love the way it lifts the front wheels too..
Thank you
nice victory STEVE AND GREAT CAR
Everyone needs a Peggie and a foxbody mustang
A fellow Ford fan - go get ‘um tiger!
:€)
Very cool car. Easy to work on and relatively cheap to build. Youve obviously got it dialed in after years of tnt. Have a couple questions:
1. What kind of fuel do you run (allowed)?
2. Rear suspension mods/rear gears?
3. I noticed in the video that when you started your burnout, the back of the car raised up alittle. When i launch my s550 irs car, the rear squats quite a bit. I know your suspension setup is completely different, but which is better for launching? Should i tighten up my rear suspension to prevent squatting? Id just like the opinion of an accomplished FS racer. Thx.
Most Stocker guys run VP C11, C12, C16 or C25. Looks like when he started the burnout the tires were gripping right before they broke free from the track so it loaded the suspension and lifted the rear.
You're right. Completely different vehicle. Utilize and tune what works best for your combination. Squat works well for IRS type cars but be careful to monitor how much. Shock tuning is your friend.
So the throttle body and upper and lower intake are stock or stock-ish? I'm fascinated by stock and super stock. But, rarely do I find much info on combinations and what's allowed.
Very stock, I'll have more on Stock and SS to come.
Check out www.nhraracer.com/ on the Competition tab as well as www.classracerinfo.com for Stock/Super Stock class info.
Man, wonder what kind of heads he has on his car? Or are they also stock?
E7TE as per the rules. No porting and stock valve sizes.
@@revanevan Wow! What he do to them to reach low 12's & high 11's? He probably changed the springs or had aluminum rockers that were 1.7's?
C4 trans and slicks will do the trick
Thats cool, nice car,
Damn I'm bout to put gt40p and the e cam in shop and seeing this makes me think about that hella
I love this! Just my style 👍
That's badass....and Speed Density! 👍
How much duration would give you a great advantage over stock cam? 308 stays open 308 degrees of a 360 degree revolution. That's allows open air and fuel into the combustion chamber. My question is what exact duration do you want and how do you know for your specific size of engine?
Great question, in Stock Eliminator you have to deal with stock lift to you not only have big duration (over 300), but the ramp rates are insane, so the valve opens very fast to get to max lift and shuts late. This takes increased spring pressure and stiff pushrods to prevent float. The "best" duration for any engine is determined by the combination (displacement, compression, desired rpm range, induction, etc.). In NHRA Stock with the 302 HO you have limited induction and weak exhaust ports so you need lots of duration, engine blueprinting and a great set of headers to increase air velocity in and out of the engine. Hope that helps. I don't know exactly what cam Steve is running, but I ran one with over 320 degrees duration in my Stocker engine.
REVan Evan Great info.
Is it a speed density car ???
DFI.
I'm pretty sure some have some head work and ported intake. That stock 5.0 intake can be ported very discretely.. 🤣🤣 sweet ride man
ImFromDadeCounty.223 A really good TOP SECRET valve job. No grinding in the ports. As delivered from FOMOCO.
Great video. Great car
"I've always been a Ford person." Me too!
Cool video nice to find your channel I met you at the track one time I had A F150 running mid elevens with less mods than the car in this video wonder if I could run that class of racing with my truck
Depends on the year, check the guide, I think 91-93f150's are in there but that's about it for years. (91-93 all ford trucks rangers/aerostars/f150's even E-150's are in the guide, wouldn't that be a rolling commercial! LOL!!
Wow! Nice 👍! Does anyone know if the axle & spline is stock to?
It might gain a 10th of it had more stickers. But it's cool as hell.
Those stickers (companies) pay $300 each when you win. They aren’t there to look cool, it’s called contingency payout.
Nice car but was that a 4 banger Mopar he was racing??
Yup. Turbo four dodge. Almost anything goes in Stock Eliminator.
Richard Dreyfus' brother drag races?
He must have some insane rear axle gears 4. 88 or something like that to get that car running that fast
acts2211 These cars usually have a lot of gear out back.
@@black88coupe from the factory I think the deepest gears you could get is 373s in a fox body Mustang.
acts2211 Yeah I don’t know what the factory offered when this car was new but he is definitely running way more rear gear than what the factory would have offered.
That's so cool man kinda sick of coyote swaps everywhere
This is so nice
Great car! Would kill to see what's been done to the intake and throttle body. Hell, the heads to are they still E7 s?
Yes, E7TE heads, stock valves and stock TB and intake.
@@revanevan stock, but ported??
@@302hobronco Porting is not allowed in Stock Eliminator. Watch my next video that I'm about to post on NHRA teardown procedure.
They should allow the fox bodies to run iron gt 40 heads since the e7s suck so bad stock port. They would still be factory stock heads just a few years to late for the fox. Bc u know since ford put them on a explorer had they had them sooner u know they would have put them on during the years they kept increasing power on the h.o. and yes I know the cobra had them but that was 93 last year for fox and the cobra was a special 1 year car that by all rights needed to be better and stronger than a regular h.o fox.