Last time I played, I had 4 swing thoughts, I bowed my left wrist at address, I kept the V going back, reopened my hips at the start of the down swing, then down, through & up on the follow through. Never hit my irons better or longer that day!!
in my opinion shallowing the club is a result of a solid transition move.. too many instructors advocate stuffing your trail elbow into your ribcage on the downswing in order to combat ‘over the top’ (which results in players hitting massive blocks and pushes, an equally bad miss)
Great video. Yep...depth - flat left wrist - stay behind it with shirt buttons - rotate - release. But not with all those swing thoughts on the course 🤣. I've been working on this all winter indoors (I'm 67 and have lost my motivation even for the range in winter) with one of those short "grip position" clubs with the weight at the end and it's now feeling quite natural and powerful with the shallowing almost "by accident"...
Again another video, and more great info.. you are one of the best doing it. I suffered from this greatly, started to keep a feel as if my trail hand kept ontop of my lead hand on the way back.. love it, I'll have to try your feel for this out, I sometimes lose the 'ontop' feel I mentioned. But this is all part of why we are all so infatuated with this game, one move could be described 10 different ways to a golfer, all about their feel. You are the man, thanks for the content as always!
A big key for me and i think can be helpful to anyone is this...What is your subconscious feeling during and at the top of backswing? If you get to the top and feel the "oh no, gotta hurry because i feel like im gonna miss right"..thats problematic. A drill i do that (DOES NOT INVOLVE HITTING A SHOT)..so you can be tension free is stand over the ball with feet together, and standing upright then rest the club over right shoulder( right handers) then make a full shoulder turn, still relaxed and even arms bent and see how your alignment feels at the top. You want a NOT rushed feeling and to feel you have to swing out to the right a little bit, not rush. This helps the rest take care of itself . I have learned to put an emphasis on how alignment feels at the top, which leads to how the downswing will be.
Recently started using high hands at set up after watching an old video you posted. Pretty close to single plane look at setup. Not really a one plane swing. Higher and deeper hands above the shoulder is what I am working on now. My swing tended to be short, arm even or below my shoulders, 3 to 4 knuckles strong grip,and sometimes to arround my body(getting stuck) and too quick/over the top. Recently I experimented with weakening my left hand grip, more neutral to make the high hands at set up work for me and getting slight bowing. I start the backswing with a heave to get deep and hands farther away. Biggest changes were immediate, more speed, better sequencing, higher trajectory/carry and able to work the ball especially with the driver. I hit some long fades with the driver this is a first for me. Only shot previously was a draw or a bad slice.This is great news because some of the holes on my course require a fade to really take advantage towards shorter approaches. Irons are great with slight draw. Fade with irons still a work in progress, not so great. I need to figure this out and work on it, this is struggle at the moment. Anyway, higher hands at set up seem to me, shallow more naturally. I am using open stance club towards target for push draw. Stance slightly more open with face left of the target for fade, getting really good distance with driver/ better control. When I try to square stance or close my stance it results in fat, shanks, pushes, pulls, and hooks. Open stance saved me. Watching Bryson Dechambeau and Xander Shauffele set ups helped with the visual I needed. I tended to be closer to the ball and hands were lower. I believe this made me to handsy and not as consistent. My body type is thick chest, fairly muscular, and 5'9" . Alex, I benefit immensely from your videos! I struggled with a square and close stance for too many years.
I went around a 9 hole par 3 course and played 2 under. I went to the driving range the day after and couldn't hit a ball using my mid irons..I've no idea what I was doing wrong. It was embarrassing.
Just recently found your channel, and man am I glad I did!! The pushing the butt of the club has been REALLY helpful. Thank You!! I play to about a 6, typically. But, injuries over the years (shoulders, elbow) my swing as become extremely flat. I would love to get by backswing a bit more vertical, and maintain my shallow delivery, to a point. I’ve noticed my driver swing is really weak, and distance is suffering. Any tips or ideas for me to get vertical and some of my distance back?!
Hey! Well I’m glad you’re with us now! You need to feel more flow for sure and just search driver or something effortless power in the channel page and see what catches your eye :)
This makes me curious I am a barrel chested type and I’ve had a flatter back swing and I blocked and hit slices huge fades with the driver and 3 wood but I hit my irons and wedges out of the center every time. I just recently did a swing change to a more steeper swing with a weaker right hand grip because I was hitting blocks slices fades anything you name it. was it right that I went steeper?
Further away from the ball at the top of your backswing, behind you. From the down the line camera view, hands will be behind your right shoulder - at least as deep as the right ankle. The key is to do this with body turn, and not by over-folding the right elbow or completely pinning the left arm against your chest.
I'm still confused. The tipping down move="flattening" correct? Are "flattening"and "shallowing" the same thing? Are they connected somehow? In this video you say most people swing steep like a V but a proper shallowing would be more like a U so what does flattening have to do with that?
I don't understand how it's the same. Shallowing=U shape Steep=V shape If the opposite of steep is shallow then what is the opposite of flat? If you are flattening couldn't you get "below" the plane? /stuck? Also if you flatten couldn't you still swing steep?
I guess in my mind I see Flattening as a PLANE issue and shallowing is an ARC issue. I dont see how thry intersect??? I can swing flat/upright(plane)+ be steep/shallow(arc) Dont see how swinging flatter(plane) creates a shallow/wider (arc)
@@RodHardin Not giving advice. Just stating facts I have learned over many years of experimentation. Do with what you wish, and I will comment as I please on this _public_ forum.
@@whetedge So will I. It sure sounded like advice to me and based on a comment that was in response to his video. It is simply a point of emphasis. When you say it could lead to back problems. Wow!
Last time I played, I had 4 swing thoughts, I bowed my left wrist at address, I kept the V going back, reopened my hips at the start of the down swing, then down, through & up on the follow through. Never hit my irons better or longer that day!!
Excellent!
in my opinion shallowing the club is a result of a solid transition move.. too many instructors advocate stuffing your trail elbow into your ribcage on the downswing in order to combat ‘over the top’ (which results in players hitting massive blocks and pushes, an equally bad miss)
Yes indeed
Shallowing my club just added 10-20 yards to my 7 iron distance. Thanks! Hands deeper really helped.
Wonderful to hear!
I understand why this happens to me at times clearing my hips thru the swing is key. Thanks again!
Yes indeed. You can modify it if need be too
Great video. Yep...depth - flat left wrist - stay behind it with shirt buttons - rotate - release. But not with all those swing thoughts on the course 🤣. I've been working on this all winter indoors (I'm 67 and have lost my motivation even for the range in winter) with one of those short "grip position" clubs with the weight at the end and it's now feeling quite natural and powerful with the shallowing almost "by accident"...
Good. keep at it and remember it's meant to be fun not punishing:)
Love the videos just looking for a simple consistent swing
Again another video, and more great info.. you are one of the best doing it. I suffered from this greatly, started to keep a feel as if my trail hand kept ontop of my lead hand on the way back.. love it, I'll have to try your feel for this out, I sometimes lose the 'ontop' feel I mentioned. But this is all part of why we are all so infatuated with this game, one move could be described 10 different ways to a golfer, all about their feel. You are the man, thanks for the content as always!
Much appreciated! Sounds like you are aware and on the the right track. Keep at it!
A big key for me and i think can be helpful to anyone is this...What is your subconscious feeling during and at the top of backswing? If you get to the top and feel the "oh no, gotta hurry because i feel like im gonna miss right"..thats problematic. A drill i do that (DOES NOT INVOLVE HITTING A SHOT)..so you can be tension free is stand over the ball with feet together, and standing upright then rest the club over right shoulder( right handers) then make a full shoulder turn, still relaxed and even arms bent and see how your alignment feels at the top. You want a NOT rushed feeling and to feel you have to swing out to the right a little bit, not rush. This helps the rest take care of itself . I have learned to put an emphasis on how alignment feels at the top, which leads to how the downswing will be.
Really like that. It is key to be aware of YOUR feels and know how to respond etc. Thanks for input!
Recently started using high hands at set up after watching an old video you posted. Pretty close to single plane look at setup. Not really a one plane swing. Higher and deeper hands above the shoulder is what I am working on now. My swing tended to be short, arm even or below my shoulders, 3 to 4 knuckles strong grip,and sometimes to arround my body(getting stuck) and too quick/over the top. Recently I experimented with weakening my left hand grip, more neutral to make the high hands at set up work for me and getting slight bowing. I start the backswing with a heave to get deep and hands farther away. Biggest changes were immediate, more speed, better sequencing, higher trajectory/carry and able to work the ball especially with the driver. I hit some long fades with the driver this is a first for me. Only shot previously was a draw or a bad slice.This is great news because some of the holes on my course require a fade to really take advantage towards shorter approaches. Irons are great with slight draw. Fade with irons still a work in progress, not so great. I need to figure this out and work on it, this is struggle at the moment. Anyway, higher hands at set up seem to me, shallow more naturally. I am using open stance club towards target for push draw. Stance slightly more open with face left of the target for fade, getting really good distance with driver/ better control. When I try to square stance or close my stance it results in fat, shanks, pushes, pulls, and hooks. Open stance saved me. Watching Bryson Dechambeau and Xander Shauffele set ups helped with the visual I needed. I tended to be closer to the ball and hands were lower. I believe this made me to handsy and not as consistent. My body type is thick chest, fairly muscular, and 5'9" . Alex, I benefit immensely from your videos! I struggled with a square and close stance for too many years.
I think that’s great. Give yourself a little more room and some structure
Keep at it
Didn’t understand what Troy meant by Deeper hands.
Great channel
At the top of you backswing to feel like the hands are further away up and behind. Cheers!
Do you try and shallow downswing? Have you noticed iffy results despite trying to get MORE shallow in transition and in your swing? Let me know below!
I'll have to try this drill with more commitment.
Please do
im terrible for over the top try to shallow the swing but sometimes get stuck on the down swing
Too many do. That's why I hope this will help
I went around a 9 hole par 3 course and played 2 under. I went to the driving range the day after and couldn't hit a ball using my mid irons..I've no idea what I was doing wrong. It was embarrassing.
It can happen to the best. Ensure your practice has purpose and focused targets too. See our practice videos
Learn what it is you want to _do_ and focus on that. My experience tells me trying to "not" do something is a sure fire way to do it.
Just recently found your channel, and man am I glad I did!! The pushing the butt of the club has been REALLY helpful. Thank You!!
I play to about a 6, typically. But, injuries over the years (shoulders, elbow) my swing as become extremely flat. I would love to get by backswing a bit more vertical, and maintain my shallow delivery, to a point. I’ve noticed my driver swing is really weak, and distance is suffering. Any tips or ideas for me to get vertical and some of my distance back?!
Hey! Well I’m glad you’re with us now! You need to feel more flow for sure and just search driver or something effortless power in the channel page and see what catches your eye :)
This makes me curious I am a barrel chested type and I’ve had a flatter back swing and I blocked and hit slices huge fades with the driver and 3 wood but I hit my irons and wedges out of the center every time. I just recently did a swing change to a more steeper swing with a weaker right hand grip because I was hitting blocks slices fades anything you name it. was it right that I went steeper?
Yes quite possible as you are now not getting stuck so much
See what you're saying. Great advice.
Cheers
My attempts to get shallower have resulted in more topped/thinned shots. Any idea why that may be happening?
The video should help explain why and what to do to get open
Thanks!
Thank you kindly!
Nice one 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Cheers
What do you mean by get the hands deeper?
Further away from the ball at the top of your backswing, behind you. From the down the line camera view, hands will be behind your right shoulder - at least as deep as the right ankle.
The key is to do this with body turn, and not by over-folding the right elbow or completely pinning the left arm against your chest.
He said it:)
What is the difference between what you are doing and getting "stuck"?
Nothing really. Stuck is just the feeling and be felt doing a few different things
I'm still confused.
The tipping down move="flattening" correct?
Are "flattening"and "shallowing" the same thing? Are they connected somehow?
In this video you say most people swing steep like a V but a proper shallowing would be more like a U so what does flattening have to do with that?
It's the same really. It just depends on how you do it and how you feel it.
I don't understand how it's the same.
Shallowing=U shape
Steep=V shape
If the opposite of steep is shallow then what is the opposite of flat?
If you are flattening couldn't you get "below" the plane? /stuck?
Also if you flatten couldn't you still swing steep?
I guess in my mind I see Flattening as a PLANE issue and shallowing is an ARC issue. I dont see how thry intersect???
I can swing flat/upright(plane)+ be steep/shallow(arc)
Dont see how swinging flatter(plane) creates a shallow/wider (arc)
Clearing my left hip is about all I work on. Without it I am in deep trouble. Age 67.
Try the modification tips to make it a little easier
A good way to screw up timing and sequencing, not to mention your back.
@@whetedge I don't have any back problems. You don't fully know my swing so please stop giving advice on limited comments.
@@RodHardin Not giving advice. Just stating facts I have learned over many years of experimentation. Do with what you wish, and I will comment as I please on this _public_ forum.
@@whetedge So will I. It sure sounded like advice to me and based on a comment that was in response to his video. It is simply a point of emphasis. When you say it could lead to back problems. Wow!
My one swing thought: Hit the L out of it….Works..
Under the sun by L.A.B.
Indeed
None of this is "SIMPLE"
"Shallowing" isn't something you "do". It's a _result_ of maintaining consistent width in the swing.
In some ways yes. But it’s also facilitated by how the backswing goes