because the US gets all that oil for free and we are enslaving the people of the middle east and are doing nothing but stealing all the resources there! they have it so bad with the US not paying for any of the oil that they take from them! how terrible of the US to pay for anything. You are right we should take over the world and force everyone else to do the shit we do already!
Turns out the "Fools Gold" quest is the same for both sides. It still deserves to be on the list, just ignore the faction specific comments I make about it.
I was going state that there is a quest in stonetalon mountains where you are ordered to blow up a night elf treehouse/town which had Night Elf children in it.
>Started playing horde in Cata >Bring Glory by fighting Armed Alliance Warriors >MoP pre patch comes out >Go Help Nuke Theramore >"Hans, Are we the Baddies?"
It was a good strategic plan. Theramore was supposedly neutral. That was one of the main reasons the Horde never bothered with them. Then they let the alliance have trade routes through theramore. That was still ok. What happened afterwards was that the Alliance used those trade routes as a pretext to wipe out Camp Taurajo, a camp full of elders and children of the most peaceful horde race, the Tauren. They left none alive. Now, Garrosh was at war and he might have used the bomb anyway. But this is more than enough pretext. Also he allowed Theramore to evacuate most of it's civilian force. Not his fault the Alliance was stupid enough to amass a shit ton of it's army there.
Garrosh has several questlines in Cata where he realizes he does NOT like shit like this staining his hands, and explicitly says that he learned that honor should never be tossed aside for victory. It kinda comes out of nowhere that he does something even worse but in the same camp as a general that he personally executed and they clearly just wrote him as a generic powergrubbing monster in Mists so they could keep the factions divided since he's suddenly wanting to open fire on ships in waters the Horde has no claim to sheerly because they're too close to something he wants to inspect.
There’s an Alliance only quest in the howling fjord where you force-feed Sylvanas’ new blight to a Vrykul prisoner to see how dangerous it is. I felt sick after I realized what I was doing.
Yeah if this list was done now, Sylvanas would have to beat out Jaina, who at least had the decency to realize what she had done wrong and feel remorse, more than you can ever say for Sylvanas.
7:55 - To be fair, the Horde has for same reason the exact same quest chain mirroring the actions of the Alliance one. I remember playing through it, and yeah, the Horde doesn't have enough money and also offers fake gold.
Well, I mean in context of everything you have to slaughter just to get to this point in the game, be it animal or humanoids, it's really just the cherry on top of the cake. That said I always remembered it for being one of the few quests in WoW which tell you to straight up torture somebody.
I mean cata was really dark too. Sinestra had rape scars from deathwing, we curbstomp human faces in revamped hillsbrad foothills, sylvanas raises people from the dead after she kills them, etc
Perhaps, but the story of Warcraft was dark enough already--pretty much the entirety of the Undead campaign in both Reign of Chaos and Frozen Throne has you going on a complete genocidal slaughter of civilians, from Lordaeron to Quel'thelas and back again. Given the kind of shit you pull as Arthas, it actually makes the Death Knight tutorial area completely appropriate for the kind of villain that they're re-introducing in Wrath.
I have only ever [Use]d the shovel once, just to see what would happen (I was curious). Before then, I had only ever dug the humans out, and after learning what the shovel actually _DID_ I resumed digging them out. Haven't [Use]d it again since.
There's this one moment at the start of Mists of Pandaria, alliance side. You just wiped out the horde base and little fleet, and a cutscene starts where a bunch of the horde sailors swim toward the shore - and chief night elf in charge of the assault gets the order to shoot them before they reach the shore. Not technically a quest, but result of one :D
It's not really morally questionable, it's either this o you need to either let your enemy run away or put him in custody and waste resources on your enemy.
Isn't that the quest that's supposed to show you what happens when you get consumed by strong emotions on Pandaria? The npc becomes sha-controlled and has to be helped by the Shado-pan guy. There's a similar quest on the Horde side as well, and neither of the affected npcs felt what they did was right after they got purged of Sha. It's morally questionable yes, but it's not exactly the npcs own choice, they're mindcontrolled and both show remorse afterwards. I always just thought it's supposed to show the player the ways of the region and introduce them to Sha.
It's not only morally questionable, it's a war crime to kill enemies you could just take into custody, even if it costs you resources. So if doing this was indeed a quest, it definitely would've deserved a spot on this list.
Leave it to a hordie to not mention you aid Thalen Songweaver, hand Garrosh a WMD, and aid sylvanas in using biological weapons of mass destruction, but do mention the elimination of enemy agents in Dalaran.
Except they didn't help him. There's a difference between helping someone, and not snitching. It's in their best interest not to say shit, because if they did, Garrosh would have killed them, or put them in prison for treason. People don't "have it coming", "it" being *genocide* because they *don't want to go to prison or get executed.* "They still supported the Sunreavers!" Oh yes, because Americans who support freedom also support every decision their government makes too! Oh wait - they don't. Same goes with literally *every self-aware creature that's present in a society where government exists.* "We got the job done!" You killed innocent people who had nothing to do with anything. We're mostly wrong because you're killing innocent people? You're legit retarded. It's people like you who I'm going to revel in when Genn and Jaina get killed, and I can spit in your faces once more, as I did in Gilneas when we took your sad excuse for a city capital.
I don't know if this counts, but there's also the Edwin VanCleef head quest. Edwin did deserve pay, and his actions felt justified. Plus we killed him in front of his innocent daughter.
And to be fair, he was right. SW was beyond corrupt with Varian essentially a puppet in his own palace...he just didn't realize he was also allied with the one behind the corruption in the first place, that was simply playing everyone against each other.
Edwin went about it the wrong way, rioting and what not is not a way to get your voice heard. They don't live in a democracy, it's a monarchy, when you riot against your king, that is treason and whatever moral high ground you had goes out the window. Riots and throwing a tantrum is not productive. Considering that HIS riots caused the death of Varian's wife. Who had NOTHING to do with this bullshit.
His reaction to the bombing of the Druids in Stonetalon... He _used_ to be a pretty decent guy... I always found the line 'Hellscreams eyes are upon you' pretty stalker-ish though.
Cata Garrosh was from the best timeline....unfortunately during the transition to Pandaria we entered the worst timeline (according that dragon who helped us get back to Alt Draenor for Maghar recruitment quest).
What I enjoy about WoW is the way it takes these two factions, pits them against each other, and for the player who loyally stays to one side, they are blind to the fact that neither faction is good or bad. Both are trying to make ends meet, and both have done some pretty heinous things. It presents a very realistic setting despite the fantasy world
I wish you didn't have to break away from the Lich King and continue to do all the things you did in the DK starting zone. Just raid and destroy towns and other players.
I have a DK named Arthas (Yes, I managed to grab that name during a weird patch) on an RP server and I refuse to turn in my quest to see the king just so I can walk through the streets of Stormwind and have everyone hostile towards me. :P
The Kaluak daily quest in Dragonblight where you literally kidnap wolvar pups so the Kaluak can raise them to be more peaceful and friendly should have definitely been an honorable mention
eafe saf They are but that's like going out and domesticating an aggressive species to no longer be aggressive....the harm that would cause to the food chain and natural order is crazy
The thing with the bombing in Stonetalon is that it starts off kinda normal as quests go, and once things start getting out of hand the player isn't really working for the warlord anymore, so the qest chain being morally questionable is debatable. As a matter of fact the last few missions in the chain have the player trying to help the Tauren stop the madness.
So? You still prepare the bomb that is set to slaughter hundreds of innocent druids. I think the reason why it was left off is so that your narrative of: The Alliance are monsters! And the Horde are just pure innocent angels, falls apart if you were to actually add Horde questionable quests. It's the reason you claimed the Fool's Gold quest is only Alliance side, a Horde player such as yourself should have known that Fool's Gold is the very same fucking thing on Horde.
Just one thing just like the bombing of therefore u had no idea what's going on u were told to do mundane tasks and u do it that's it.it took garnish to suddenly come over Lauren request to find out what the true plan was.
You could probably take the whole dk starting questline too :_) I still remember when you had to kill the fleeing people and retrieve their arrows :( Man the dk questline was so good
Actually this Murloc quest where you have to disguise yourself to kill their leader is not that bad, because alternative to it would be mass genocide of their kind. So it's only questionable if you prefer genocide to perfidy.
Killing enemy combatants isn't genocide. I find perfidy worse than the killing of enemy combatants. Just because you think you're morally superior doesn't allow you to use these tactics which cause suffering to civilians and innocents. The moment they attack you though, they're no longer civilians. I find this question way worse than the bad science one ranked above it for example, as while the bad science one involves illegal (and immoral) animal abuse and experimentation, the surrender involves a way worse crime as it actively harms innocent civilians.
"The art of persuasion" really pissed me off, especially since I played a Paladin. Oh no, we mages aren't allowed to torture, you do it instead, surely that's no problem for someone with faith in the light, right?
Killing innocent blood elves, raising undead, stealing oil, killing and raising refugees to undead, committing warcrimes, serve the lich king and killing your best friend... meh. Killing poor Hippogryphs - NOOOOO!
i honestly think the most morally questionable quest was at the end of the death knight class hall campaign where you raid light's hope chapel and raise all the paladins as ghouls, in classic arthas style
Vereesa gives you these quests, not Jaina. Throughout the quests it is explicitly stated you are to kill elves who forcibly resist arrest, though at the same time Vereesa makes it very explicit too that she hopes they *all* resist arrest. Also, If I remember correctly, the killing of civilians is up to the player, they are not specific targets of any quests, your video itself doesn't show you gaining any credit for the innocents you killed (you monster). -The killing quest requires you to put down the elves who have taken arms and are forcibly resisting arrest, as said before the killing of civilians does not progress it. -The quest that sends you to the underbelly also has you fight armed elves. I believe on the horde side they are holding position to smuggle out as many of the other elves as they can. -The shopkeepers, not all were resisting, you get given a list of four shopkeepers that, like all the other quests, have taken up arms to resist arrest. -Lastly, the quest with the magister trying to withdraw his money from the bank before escaping (it was only one not multiple as you say). The excuse Vareesa gives is he lost claim to his wealth when he committed treason against the Kirin Tor. Is this true? I don't know but I don't think Vareesa has the authority to decide that either way. Also, he does resist arrest. Just setting the record straight. Up to you if it's justifiable or not, that's why it is in the list of *questionable* quests after all. Also, a bit misleading claiming the Alliance as a faction takes the cake in this when the actual leader of the Alliance was using diplomacy and these actions were commited by a third party, Jaina as the leader of the Kirin Tor, who had just moments earlier in the quest chain declared they would remain neutral. In fact the reason she is outraged is the Sunreavers smuggled *a weapon of mass destruction* (calling it "just a bell" is so misleading) for Garrosh after she *just* told the Alliance the Kirin Tor would *not* chose a side. But hey, faction animosity!
And Jaina's 'leisurely stroll' around Dalaran during this event is not her killing Blood Elves... she's simply freezing them and teleporting them to Violet Hold. Sadly, Aethas Sunreaver, and probably most of the Sunreavers were unaware that Garrosh had sent the Divine Bell through Dalaran... after all, Aethas Sunreaver actually HELPED Jaina to defend Theramore earlier and was one of the council who actually voted her in as the leader of the Kirin Tor. It's guilt by association because there definitely were Sunreavers who violated Dalaran's neutrality and thus committed treason against the Kirin Tor... but she had no way of knowing which ones did it... every single one is a suspect. If Jaina's move against them had gone a bit smoother, they would have likely all been incarcerated at Violet Hold while an investigation was carried out to determine which ones were involved in the theft of the bell. When you are the police and you have a list of suspects, you're sure as hell going to make sure that each and every one of them does not skip town until you can definitively rule them out as a suspect. But... things didn't go as planned... many of the Sunreavers died resisting arrest and the Horde managed to spring some of them, including Aethas Sunreaver himself, so... we got that mess instead... with the Horde harbouring fugitives, and the Alliance holding the balance of power in Dalaran. The timing sure as hell sucks though... Varian Wrynn might very well have convinced Lor'themar Theron to bring the blood elves back to the Alliance if not for this purge in Dalaran. Considering how upset Varian was, he must have been very close before news from Dalaran shut down the negotiations.
Could never give this enough likes. He made it patently clear in the past he was biased towards Horde and it shown in this video. I don't care which faction he prefers but when you are making videos that are supposedly based on facts and that bias is getting in the way of that, that when is when I start having a problem. Even Jaina herself during her patrol (leisurely stroll as he calls it) can be seen killing some elves and then teleporting others to the Violet Hold. You can understand Jaina's reasons considering the Horde used her neutral city as a means of smuggling a weapon of mass destruction out of Darnassus. A weapon that overwhelms anyone that heard it with negative emotions which makes them easily succumb to the Sha. It was confirmed that the leader of the Sunreavers truly knew about what Garrosh had planned but looked the other way. In reality Garrosh's underlings who worked within the Sunreavers were found to be just as responsible. Jaina primarily just wanted to imprison the lot until they could get to the bottom of things on who was responsible for this betrayal within the Kirin Tor. Any who did not resist were imprisoned, any who resisted and fought against her were put down. I find what she did, did come from valid reasons. There were traitors within at Garrosh's beck and call, this is indisputable, and she had no way of knowing who amongst the Sunreavers was one of Garrosh's underlings, is she to just let them roam free and commit further sabotage and wrongdoings in the shadows? She would be stupid if she did. Besides she was still a little touchy from oh, I don't know, her entire city getting nuked.
this adds on to the goblin quests, I think it's hilarious that you are taking out poachers in one part of highmountain while in another you're asked to test rockets and other various weapons on random animals
I kinda forgot that my Death Knight wasn't a particularly good person until the order campaign in Legion. I'm not going to go into major spoilers, but the mission to get the final Horseman was just so... wrong. I kept saying sorry throughout because it was just a bit too despicable.
killing members of the very order that freed us from the lich king and were our greatest allies in northrend,trying to desecrate the tomb of the one who killed arthas,that was just fucked up Even Darion and the other ebon knights are not feeling it before we go,and tbf if it wasn't so detrimental to me I'd have skipped it.I'm pretty sure the ebon blade swore to never fall so low again,yet we get manipulated by the lich king,the one thing we decided to never do again
on the road out of booty bay to the left is an npc (with a flashing arrow, hard to miss) and he invites you to prove your loyalties to the enemy. In order to do it, you need Bessie's head. If you complete the entire quest line (which is fairly long and involved) there's an interesting twist at the end.
so there's a vanilla undead quest in the starting zone. after you hit level 5 and leave. you can get a quest to steal some pumpkins from scarlet members. you turn these pumpkins in at an undead apothecary. the apothecary will then send you to some Hunan prisoners in the inn. you feed one the concoction and they die. later on you return with a beer for the dwarf. the dwarf turns into a ghoul and then dies. I'm pretty sure this constitutes as a war crime, and the first time I did it I was surprised there was no reaction from anyone who saw (npc who saw)
Prior to cata those quests were Undead only. The horde didn't see anything about the new plague until late Silverpine and weren't clearly clued in on what it was for, unlike the early Tirisfal quests that make deadly clear what it was for.
4:45 Sylvanas only did that because Garrosh was forcing her to win the Gilnean-Undead war at Lordaeron as fast as possible.It even shows later that Sylvanas isnt actually that bad. After you win the Battle of Gilneas at the Horde questline at the point where we have the daughter of Crowley, we just deliver her to him unturned as he promises to retreat his forces from Silverpine and Gilneas.
@Hirumaredx One quest that got me in the feels is 'Steel Thunder' quest in Silverpine Forest. Where you force an Orc peon to carry crates, he is screaming in pain, saying its too much and ends up literally getting worked to death. No one seems to bat an eyelid or comment on it at all. I was like WTF??
i'm so surprised that no one ever seems to talk about this one quest in MOP. It's horde only, and you're told that the alliance aaked for volunteering pandarens to help build bases. Turns out the alliamce enslaved those pandarens. As a horde youbwere told to free those pandarens. Whem rescueing these pandarens theyll say lines that point out to enslavement by the alliance.
yeah, but that same thing happens on the alliance side as well, since the local garrison in both cases have been driven insane by the Sha. The exact atrocities vary slightly (the Horde are sacrificing the local pandarian children to summon demons).
I think the starting quests for the dwarves also deserve being mentioned. It's been a while since I played them, but what the dwarves are doing with the troggs and trolls, and the troggs literally pleading for you to stop was just messed up
Out of many WoW youtubers i've watched, this guy has the best narration. He puts in a ton of effort and I love how there's always background music, which usually adds to the intended emotion felt on the topic. It constantly changes to fit the themes within one video. It's not just random. His narration just evokes emotion. Not all youtubers can do that. My favourite things from him are the spooky, suspicious and creepy videos. Such as this one, Old God vids and Dark Moon Fair stuff.
The "do the right thing" quest doesn't allow you to kill the human seedlings anymore, now when you right click them in automatically digs them out, no option of hitting them with the shovel... just FYI
Well to be fair with Jaina... she stood up against her own kind to achieve peace with the Horde... she killed HER OWN FATHER, she loved him like a daughter can love her dad. And after the orcs invaded Azeroth in sheer bloodlust after drinking tons of demon blood, you can't really blame the humans of Proudmore's generation either for treating orcs so bad... they tore Stormwind apart and killed thousands of innocents. If a couple of jears later the next Warchief just starts dropping weapons of Mass destruction on your city, YOU the one who FOUGHT AND KILLED YOUR OWN KIND FOR THEM.... jeah i guess that leaves a bad taste in your mouth
I know this is probably a dead thread , but Jaina never raised a finger against her father, she just didn’t stop the Horde from putting down the racist dog that happened to be her father.
it's funny, i loved and relished the dk starting area, its so cinematic and personal. but i hate when goblins tell me to hurt animals they tortured... i think animals just have an innate innocence. but really the dk quest zone is badass
There was the Horde Felwood quest line back from Vanilla through Wrath where you were gathering various oozes for the Forsaken apothecary to "cure" a poisoned Tauren druid. I first did it on my Tauren warrior and really felt like crap when I helped the Forsaken kill a fellow Tauren.
Awh man! That video was fantastic! I really liked your list and learned about some I didn't know yet. I know another one that really disturbed me. It's at the beginning of Pandaria, Alliance side. You're getting the order to fly in a gyrocopter and shoot the Horde at the ground with a machine gun. They're defenseless and don't see it coming, it's just a massacre. When I did that quest the first time, I felt sick. Thanks for the video, you got a nice voice, it's easy to listen to. Keep it up!
Clearly you haven't been paying close enough attention to the story to understand why Jaina is so angry, or why Sylvanas is the way she is. It's better writing than you seem to think.
Rise, Forsaken is one of my favorite quests. As a pro-Forsaken player, I love the idea of bolstering our ranks with fresh Undead... you could say I'm a little biased hehe.
Trump's Wall yeah damn I never saw the alliance side of that quest before so I just thought they were putting the elves in the violet hold. but damn that's terrible.
I think the quest where I had to hammer fel-bits into myself made me question my morality. As a paladin, I felt very conflicted. Taking in Admiral Taylor made me question myself. Mostly because I'd be damning him for all eternity in the garrison that I never go to. I really wish I could swap some war stories with him. You did the Alliance proud, Taylor.
Hey I just wanted to say, although I play a lot of vg's I've never played world of Warcraft before in my life but I love watching your videos which I think is pretty high praise. And it's not just for your incredible paintings. Keep it up!
Not to diminish Purge of Dalaran, but "Rise, forsaken" may well be worse. Jaina at least didn't turn sunreavers into rotting slaves. Both quests (Purge is questchain but who cares) are really depressing, in large part because "YOU DO WHAT IS GOOD FOR YOUR FACTION! QUESTION IT NOT!". Makes me question where my (or my character's) loyalties are. Why female rulers are so evil?
Yah your right, Rise Forsaken should probably be number 1. I kinda wanted to show it early in the list though since its a really good example of what the video is trying to highlight.
Lady Sylvanas lost it after Arthas died,he was her anchor of sanity,when he was alive she focused all her attention and hate towards him,but after he died she was just empty,same happened to Maiev after she defeated Illidan,they were empty,as Illidan said huntress is nothing without the hunt.its like when you farm mounts,after you get it you feel happy for a few minutes and then you start feeling empty.
corey taylor they're 100% slaves. Otherwise why would people who were literally refugees from the Forsaken, immediately join the Forsaken after being resurrected. To be fair it is inconsistent. Lillian Voss rejects the Forsaken but it doesn't make sense for the Hillsbrad refugees to join.
***** they are not. They have free will its literally said in the beggining of the forsaken starting zone there are even undeads rebels against the forsaken...
Do bare in mind the countless times Jaina was betrayed. Yet still remained as a shield (metaphorically) before snapping. People here seemingly forget that part. She snapped due to the bombing of Theramore. On top of that.. people are saying "OMG Jaina killed civilians?!" yet rarely comment on Sylvanas and all the atrocities she has commited. (One example being her ordering people to kill refugees and forcefully making them undead / forsaken) Neither of them are saints in any sense.
you fail to see one important difference in the comparison of sylvanas and jaina. Sylvanas leads the forsaken, an undead faction completely alien to the rest of the world. the forsaken do NOT consider it morally wrong or evil to gift people with undeath. Jaina on the other hand is human, and KNOWS what shes doing is wrong on every level. the forsaken do not apologize, because they have no emotion. they do not feel guilt, they do not feel shame. Evil is just a word there. its akin to considering an alien race of tentacle monsters from 5 galaxies away, and assuming they have human morality. lol.
Undead are not technically alien. They're humans who died and got resurrected again. Sylvanas does infact feel emotions. This is proven when you listen to her Lockbox if I remember correctly. She commands the Vyr'Kul to resurrect people. The Vyr'Kul do give those resurrected a choice to either live as undead or go back to the grave. Also undead do feel emotions. One does, at least. Forgotten her name now but you see her in the Scarlet Crusade. It's also possible that other undead feel emotions as well.
Hastings Gaming forsaken do not feel emotions so much as they remember a specific emotion and holds onto that singluraly. usually its a need for revenge or something simple like that. But emotions it is not. Sylvanas is unique in the sense that she still inhabits and regenerates her former body, she and the forsaken are nothing alike there :). the scarlet crusade one is also unique, but again, not so much emotion there as obsession. but i suppose it comes down to semantics and points of view :). I said the forsaken are baically alien because once you are liberated from the curse of flesh and mortality, you will never be the same. calling the forsaken mere dead humans is a grave insult to the superior form they now inhabit :)
Valid point then. I agree, it does come down to simple opinions I suppose. Still, I am inclined to say that Sylvanas and Jaina are both evil (in sense). Hence why I pointed out that neither of them are saints, at the end of my first comment, that is. :P
Fearful of the abomination she'd become? More like: she was raised as a child to believe that being Forsaken/undead is the most horrible thing anyone could imagine - *and she found out that belief was wrong.* When you bring morality into it you see that the Forsaken *aren't* like the Scourge, because the Scourge weren't raising the dead with free will, or for the reason that they're preserving their people. They raised the dead to conquer the world. The Forsaken are doing it to procreate, and make sure they don't die out. Silverpine showed us that the Forsaken are ample enough to take Gilneas from the Alliance Night Elves, Humans, and Worgen. It showed us that Sylvanas prioritizes the well being of her people over you, as any leader should. The Silverpine events show us that she's more moral than a lot of leaders, and not wiling to take shit if it means protecting herself and her people. Misconstruing again, are we?
I remember being really stricken by an Alliance quest in Tanaris where you kill survivors of a goblin shipwreck because they're "crazy" or something. Upon further investigation it looks like the survivors are hostile to both factions, so I guess there is some justification but... I dunno, I felt bad for the poor guys.
To be perfectly fair to her, the horde kept doing her dirty. She championed peace between the two factions for hte longest time and what response does she get? She gets bombed, she gets betrayed multiple times, and your still expecting her to be the naive little girl who thinks that peace can exist between them?
@Chris Keys First off, it wasn't their resources to use, it was the exploitation of a neutral state. Second off, I never said it should incur mass murder. Third off, Aethas Sunreaver was confronted by Jaina, and had an opportunity to come clean about what happened. He instead chose to lie through his teeth.
With the fool's gold quest I'm pretty sure is also a horde quest. I remember watching someone play and it plays the same way but instead of a gnome its a goblin and of course you beat up a alliance NPC instead of a horde one
I always found the forsaken quests worse than goblin quests; like then they have you poison alliance races to test plauge, even feeding a prisoner plauged pumpkins. Actually alot of UC stuff was pretty shady like the cowering alliance prisoners in the apothecarium that are STILL there. And that tauren there you poison too.
the warlock quest for the green fire made me fill kind of bad. you go to the black temple and lie to akama so you can do what you want there then after that akama thinks your going to help him but instead your imp comes out and tells you to ditch him and take their gold. you take it and go fight the boss at the top of the temple. it always bugged me because i thought my warlock was better than that but i guess not.
Eucep There is nothing Like that as far as im concerned. He was mentioned I believe, yet only Like "your father wouldn't Like that" We took his Head tho. And he is no Hydra. Heil Hydra
How about the dailies for Sons of Hodir during the WOTLK? Every quest was you practically performing fellatio for rep. Polish the helm, blow the horn hell they even bareback you in you.
While you did help transport the bomb, you then worked to get Garrosh to notice it and stop the attack and you also try to stop the attack. Then Garrosh arrives and executes the commander.
Oh yeah Jaina's resolution should definitely be number 1 especially since it is almost exactly what the Nazis did to the Jews of Berlin on Kristallnacht.
my questionable quest was during the under city siege where we asked either to use the blight to kill the allaince while horde are out there fighting them . i had mix of feeling wheather was right or wrong to use it . i instead helped saving the fallen hordes and take them to safty. again like baine and soufang said "honor no matter how dire the battle might be" something like that.
Something about people engaging on the "Jaina vs Garrosh: who was more evil" arguments makes my heart warm. It's like the people are actually a part of Alliance and the Horde and are being loyal to their factions. I feel like im in a tavern in Azeroth, listening patrons argue. I love it! My two cents? Alliance needed a character like new Jaina (to keep the story interesting). Garrosh becoming more and more corrupt made even the members of the Horde uncomfortable, naturally he grew more hostile towards the Alliance. As a leader chosen by naive ol' Thrall, nobody could really say "no". Thus Jaina's town gets nuked. What gets me is that she was willing to let this go, but went all Hitler when a small group residing in Dalaran betrayed her. No investigation, no sympathy, no nothing; dismantle the horde! Her hatred has become a problem almost, as she is at odds with Khadgar whenever he works with the Horde to save the world etc. With most of the cool leaders dead and some forgotten, I guess she is all I have left to look forward to. I am curious to where her character arc is going. Will she let go of her hatred and become the innocent good girl again? Or will she let vengeance consume her and become the next Arthas?
You didn't even bring up the Gilneas questline? Where Sylvanas invades a neutral country, kills its citizens en masse, and uses biological weapons (which is ALSO a war crime) to render the entire country uninhabitable? But you know, Jainia killed a few blood elves in dalaran, worst faction ever.
Yes, because Jaina killed innocent people. Feral Worgen believing to be ravaging a city and transforming people into worgen aren't innocent. Necessity for resources for the Horde is again, justified. The fact that you're comparing Sylv to Jaina is hilariously ignorant.
Gilneas was walled off and posed no threat to Sylvanas. The country was surrounded by water on 3 sides and walled off on the 4th. In addition, the worgen threat was mostly under control when Sylvanas invaded. As for your moronic statement about "transforming people into worgen arent innocent" are you implying the NON-changed, unarmed, gilnean citizens that Sylvanas' forces mowed down weren't innocent? What about the evacuation ships she tried to destroy? The houses she burned down? And WHAT resources? Sylvanas showed up, tried to invade the city, and when she was pushed back, she killed the prince with a slow acting poision before releasing a bio weapon that rendered the entire country uninhabitable by anyone INCLUDING her own people. At no point during that process were any resources acquired. By the way, Garrosh explicitly told her in person that she was to withdraw from the city and under no circumstances was she permitted to use biological weapons. GARROSH FUCKING HELLSCREAM. Jainia was evil as fuck, but if you really think that Sylvanas was in any way justified in her unwarranted massacre of Gilneas (a, once again, NEUTRAL COUNTRY), you are either retarded or biased as fuck.
Gilneas wasn't walled off at the start of the Cataclysm and was being attacked by feral worgen which *do* pose a threat to Sylvanas. So leaving a settlement of turning feral worgen, and the resources needed southward because of the catacylsm is why she invaded. The Catacylsm *broke the wall.* The worgen threat *wasn't under control because people were still being turned.* The citizens *were not unarmed.* No one was unarmed by the time Sylv started her march, because they were either fighting worgen *or worgen themselves.* All of which therefore, are perceived as a threat from a tactical perspective because they are mobilized and armed like an army. There were no unarmed citizens in Gilneas by the time Sylv got there, because they were all either worgen or fighting worgen. The city was razed *because they were worgen as far as she knew.* Add in this fact, and the one where you're fighting against her, and no duh she's going to attack your ships, and burn houses. "WHAT RESOURCES?" That's literally *the whole point to the march south.* Garrosh signed off on it because *everyone was searching for resources during the time of the Catacylsm, because one of the major points of contention caused by the catacylsm was resource destruction.* She showed up because marching southward for resources was the initial idea. She ran across Gilneas, being invaded by worgen, and sought to destroy that little problem because feral worgen have been nothing but trouble in the past. Uninhabitable? She wasn't looking to inhabit it, she was looking to gain access to the quarries and such near it. Gilneas being inhabitable isn't her concern, the rock face on the shore, the lumber, and other resources surrounding it were her concern. It's like you haven't even done the quest lines or something, because you're spewing nonsense. He told her to *not use the plague.* I don't recall *any* mention of telling her to withdraw. Garrosh Hellscream is a bigot and a racist - of course he's going to tell Sylv not to use something that's culturally exclusive as a weapon, because he's a bigot, not because it's right. *You're talking about a guy who's sole interest is spreading orcish influence.* He didn't care about the plague itself, just the cultural implications because it originated via forsaken. Garrosh has no moral standards, so saying because he said it's bad it must be really bad is a fallacy. He didn't say no because it was "bad", he said no because he's a bigot. 1. Gilneas wasn't neutral. See above. Feral worgen, and armed citizens make something hostile, not neutral. 2. Unwarranted =/= heading south for the resources, and prioritizing her people (yet again) over the Gilneans. You're the one who's either retarded or biased, because you can't see *the reason she marched south in the first place.*
If you had done the quest line, you would know that the city was walled off, and Sylvanas was already gathering preparing to attack the Gilneans while they were weakened by the worgen. At this point, deathwing causes eathquakes which break the wall DURING the questline, and Sylvanas' forces pour in immediately. Clearly, you haven't done the questline, have no idea what you're talking about, and are not capable of having an intelligent discussion on the topic.
Wrong. The wall broke during the Cataclysm - that's how the Worgen got in, that's how Sylv got in. Funny, coming from the person that doesn't know the order of operation.
Side note: In aura kingdom there is a quest where you have to whip a gnome to get information for the makar and the makar was about to kill him but you decide to step in and get him to talk. The makar goes "well that was something" Twin saga has a quest where you basically go "we have ways of making you talk" also lots of kidnapping people to interrogate them. A common occurrence in Asian MMOs
you should do a top ten hilarious flavor text in wow, my favorite flavor text is on a lvl 97 blue trinket quest item from wod "mogah's to do list." the flavor text reads: "on it, is written one thing: whatever Mogah wants!"
If I remember correctly Purging was the correct choice as there really wouldn't have been time to properly check who's infected or not from Mal'Ganis attacking(Warcraft 3) and the Scourge attacking with limited manpower(World of Warcraft)
Well, Arthas was killing people whether they had the plague or not. Some of his victims, he actually KNEW were not infected and he attacked them anyway (of course, they turned out to be dragonkin of the Infinite Dragonflight attempting to assassinate him but that's beside the point).
First of all Sunreavers betrayed her two times. She forgive them the first time( Theramore's Fall). But the second time. They helped Garosh to stole Divine Bell from Night Elves. Even though Kirin Thor should be neutral. And as I recall she gave them 2 options. To die or go to prison. It was up to them. And it was Veressa Windruner who gave you the quest to kill Sunreavers in sewers. So as you mentioned the War Crimes( law). It was not only Jaina to break the rules. After all she's lost? I'm not surprised. #Jaina MVP
Just returned to wow, and I love your vids. Oracles always come to mind when "morally questionable", but then I remember I wasn't the one who was morally questionable. Man that questchain hit hard. :/
The Nightelves, their cooking trainer has two daily profession quests which might not pop on anyone's "omg-radar" too quick, but essentially: - One quest he tells you that baby squids are a delicacy, so he wants you to fetch him a bunch of fresh live baby squids. - The other quest (not sure if that's still in, last time I did it was years ago) he basically wants you to strip-mine (paraphrasing here) the sea for a certain type of fish of which the young are also a delicacy to the Nightelves. Actually, that second one I may be getting mixed up with another race's cooking daily, vague memory and all that, but yeah, don't count out those "harmless innocent" cooking dailies where you are casually asked to basically capture some animal's young so some Nightelf (or other race) can eat them alive.
Both the Alliance and the Horde think of each other as evil and their side as good due to Demonization and acts of aggression by rogue members of both factions. Both factions are either at war with each other, engaged in a cold war against each other, or under an uneasy peace treaty that can be broken at anytime. The Alliance think of the Horde as brutal barbarians who would ravage and destroy their lands while the Horde think the Alliance are arrogant tyrants who consider themselves superior and the and they worry that the Alliance would hunt them down and destroy them. But the truth is they're both bunch of self-righteous and hypocrites that damn everything they deem unworthy, and persecute those who criticize their cause. The problem between them is that both faction are nothing more but ignorance, self-righteous and hypocrites. For example the famous destruction of Camp Taurajo which a lot of ignorant Alliance players are quick to defend this saying *General Hawthorne left an opening for civilians to escape!* or it was a legitimate military target but that doesn't change the fact that they still attacked a peaceful village and the lame excuse of a *"legitimate"* military target, it does not excuse the wanton destruction of lives and property of Camp Taurajo and yet the Alliance get piss for the destruction of Theramore, obviously a big hypocrisy on them.
Camp Taurajo doesn't compare to Theramore. That is like comparing an artillery attack on some small town on the French/German border to the dropping of the nuclear bomb on Hiroshima.
@@HouseOfAlastrian Wow how Sociopath you are? The Alliance still commiting murder on Horde races who were just doing their jobs or doing nothing at all, so do not play the illogical game of "DO Not Compare" This WIth The Other because it will not work on me buddy.
in few of the Legions quests, player need to destroy bunch of harpy eggs. I found that morally questionable since harpies are a sentient race and destroying their eggs wouldn't really be much different that killing bunch of other humanoid races infants
Manabomb and Theramore and Burning and Teldrassil are the only things I need to say to counter "Alliance? Bunch of monsters" - or hell, I'll add Demon-Blood, Dark Portal(s), Invasion and Guldan! Jaina was justifiably pissed at the BE's (but she should have attacked their leaders only, not the merchants etc.)...they made the Manabomb that killed her people (and the guy who tossed her into a portal to save her) and they disobeyed the neutrality of the Kirin Tor!
Jaina is justified in her anger towards the Horde, considering the abhorrent shit they have done. Bombing the vale of peaceful Druids. (against Garrosh's orders you say? The Alliance doesn't know that.) Slaughtering innocents, killing her closest friends and responsible for the death of the greatest mage to ever live: Rhonin. Then you come across the Broken Shore where people were resolute to fight to the end, but the Horde pussied out like a bunch of wimps. Naturally, Vol'jin croaks like a fucking pussy and puts a actually capable Warchief in charge. Also people that hate on Genn for his hate for the Forsaken: Those fuckers blighted his homeland and killed his son. I think anyone would be a little messed up over that. Also consider that Anduin did not endorse this. It was GENN who did this, not the Alliance. so stop comparing the two. I don't say Alliance is better then the Horde, or vice verse. Both have done some pretty horrid shit, and both are incapable of taking responsibility for it. Or was Sylvannas held responsible for slaughtering innocents in Gilneas? No? Shut the fuck up about Jaina not being held responsible then. They have their titty cards, which protects them from any repercussion that SHOULD befall them. Oh and shall we mention how it shows Sylvannas made a deal to enslave the Val'kyr in Stormheim? Are we REALLY going to ignore the fact that Genn Greymane actually saved the Val'kyr from being enslaved to the Banshee Queen? Fucking morons.
There is one quest in Icecrown (for the Horde, and perhaps for the Alliance, idk, I never play them) where you find a wounded grunt and hear about his squad attacking Alliance soldiers that were fighting the undead at the time. And then he asks you to go and finish off wounded Alliance soldiers that survived.
The entire old Deadmines quest chain which leads to the new Deadmines dungeon is one of my favourite yet morally wrong quest chains in my opinion. I highly suggest exploring it :)
Sorry, I don't accept what Blizz did to Jaina as cannon. As far as I am concerned, she is a dread lord or other some such thing. She can't have gone from a paragon of peace and love to a raging genocidal psychopath. Not buying it. Don't care.
I just hope that they don't leave her like this. I really get tired of the whole " everything gets corrupted " theme blizzard seems to like. Anyway I feel like they pulled a George Lucas with her character.
I think it's fair. Having to kill her father, seeing her lover be turned into the Lich King and attempt to consume the world, see the ruins of her governed island and witness the deformed, burned bodies and faces of many friends and her beloved apprentice, gave ONE MORE chance at the Broken Shore, only to see her king , Tirion and many other unnamed allies die. She has many reasons to lose her mind. I say she lasted long enough to begin with. She was hopeful until Theramore, then she just lost it, gave one more chance, and was betrayed AGAIN, from her point of view.
So in so many quests you can see reallife szenarios.. the Jaina one reminded me of the "Reichskristallnacht" in Nazi germany. Well the Oil one.. we all know where it's from. The worgen one reminds me of the american invasion in japan, where the japanese people would kill themselves rather than get killed when captured, or about to be. The refugee one is kinda up to date from the perspective of Europe. So much more, but I think that's enough of my perspective.
And the Kirin Tor torture scene.. Gta V reference, or am I thinking too far? The FIB couldn't torture him, so they got trevor for torturing him.. you know? 😂
Aldmeri Dominion not anymore, now the Horde took the evil faction award after Vol'jiin made the genocidal nutjob Sylvanas Warchief while he was getting high
"leave it to the Alliance to make number one?" excuse me, which faction had its leader become a end game raid boss that turned to old gods? and which faction has the literal Lich Queen leading the faction now?
BFA offers a LOT of new quests that could get into this, even a few that could easily take over as number one. The Horde's destruction of Brennadam comes to mind. You can literally find children crying in front of the bodies of their parents, impaled to buildings by pitchforks. And keep in mind that this happens BEFORE Kul Tiras joins the Alliance.
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I like how living victims of Arthas end up copying him.
Sylvannas ends up raising an undead horde while Jaina purges a city full of citizens
hmm killing a less advanced society for the oil on their land. I wonder where blizzard could've gotten inspiration for that
Definitely not from the United States. No sir-e.
bow down to the future that is the global Empire of the United States. do so or be oppressed into oblivion. it's your choice.
because the US gets all that oil for free and we are enslaving the people of the middle east and are doing nothing but stealing all the resources there! they have it so bad with the US not paying for any of the oil that they take from them! how terrible of the US to pay for anything. You are right we should take over the world and force everyone else to do the shit we do already!
hope you country do that, so later you all will be erased to oblivion
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Turns out the "Fools Gold" quest is the same for both sides. It still deserves to be on the list, just ignore the faction specific comments I make about it.
I was going state that there is a quest in stonetalon mountains where you are ordered to blow up a night elf treehouse/town which had Night Elf children in it.
Do you blow it up? I thought you tried to stop it from getting blown up.
You interact with the rope to let the bomb go, your forced to by a higher up though.
Yah that quest doesnt really fit though. Your told immediately after it happens by Garrosh himself of all people about how bad it was.
noted
>Started playing horde in Cata
>Bring Glory by fighting Armed Alliance Warriors
>MoP pre patch comes out
>Go Help Nuke Theramore
>"Hans, Are we the Baddies?"
At least we killed Garrosh... I guess...
Nope, got killstealed there.
It was a good strategic plan. Theramore was supposedly neutral. That was one of the main reasons the Horde never bothered with them. Then they let the alliance have trade routes through theramore. That was still ok. What happened afterwards was that the Alliance used those trade routes as a pretext to wipe out Camp Taurajo, a camp full of elders and children of the most peaceful horde race, the Tauren. They left none alive. Now, Garrosh was at war and he might have used the bomb anyway. But this is more than enough pretext. Also he allowed Theramore to evacuate most of it's civilian force. Not his fault the Alliance was stupid enough to amass a shit ton of it's army there.
Garrosh has several questlines in Cata where he realizes he does NOT like shit like this staining his hands, and explicitly says that he learned that honor should never be tossed aside for victory.
It kinda comes out of nowhere that he does something even worse but in the same camp as a general that he personally executed and they clearly just wrote him as a generic powergrubbing monster in Mists so they could keep the factions divided since he's suddenly wanting to open fire on ships in waters the Horde has no claim to sheerly because they're too close to something he wants to inspect.
NAh, people in Theramore had it coming All humans in warcraft are racist and racists need to be executed.
There’s an Alliance only quest in the howling fjord where you force-feed Sylvanas’ new blight to a Vrykul prisoner to see how dangerous it is. I felt sick after I realized what I was doing.
"You can kill us, but you can't kill hope."
Sylvanas: "Can't I?"
"Burn it."
She failed.
So you can't kill hope, but you can burn it?
@@WickdGamr worthy
this implies the person saying you can kill us said to burn it
Yeah if this list was done now, Sylvanas would have to beat out Jaina, who at least had the decency to realize what she had done wrong and feel remorse, more than you can ever say for Sylvanas.
7:55 - To be fair, the Horde has for same reason the exact same quest chain mirroring the actions of the Alliance one. I remember playing through it, and yeah, the Horde doesn't have enough money and also offers fake gold.
Fair enough, but I still say theft and genocide are morally worse than fraud.
Wow wrath was a bit fucked up wasn't it?
Well, I mean in context of everything you have to slaughter just to get to this point in the game, be it animal or humanoids, it's really just the cherry on top of the cake.
That said I always remembered it for being one of the few quests in WoW which tell you to straight up torture somebody.
I think the most fucked up xpac story wise...easily wrath and mop.
I mean cata was really dark too. Sinestra had rape scars from deathwing, we curbstomp human faces in revamped hillsbrad foothills, sylvanas raises people from the dead after she kills them, etc
Perhaps, but the story of Warcraft was dark enough already--pretty much the entirety of the Undead campaign in both Reign of Chaos and Frozen Throne has you going on a complete genocidal slaughter of civilians, from Lordaeron to Quel'thelas and back again.
Given the kind of shit you pull as Arthas, it actually makes the Death Knight tutorial area completely appropriate for the kind of villain that they're re-introducing in Wrath.
yes wrath was the best expansion
Before I even watch this video, I'm going to guess the quest in Hillsbrad where you bash in humans' heads with a shovel.
Ace Ventura you were right
this is the most LMAO quests I have seen in wow :D
I still have the shovel from the quest on a few of my characters
I have only ever [Use]d the shovel once, just to see what would happen (I was curious). Before then, I had only ever dug the humans out, and after learning what the shovel actually _DID_ I resumed digging them out. Haven't [Use]d it again since.
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There's this one moment at the start of Mists of Pandaria, alliance side. You just wiped out the horde base and little fleet, and a cutscene starts where a bunch of the horde sailors swim toward the shore - and chief night elf in charge of the assault gets the order to shoot them before they reach the shore. Not technically a quest, but result of one :D
It's not really morally questionable, it's either this o you need to either let your enemy run away or put him in custody and waste resources on your enemy.
Isn't that the quest that's supposed to show you what happens when you get consumed by strong emotions on Pandaria? The npc becomes sha-controlled and has to be helped by the Shado-pan guy. There's a similar quest on the Horde side as well, and neither of the affected npcs felt what they did was right after they got purged of Sha.
It's morally questionable yes, but it's not exactly the npcs own choice, they're mindcontrolled and both show remorse afterwards. I always just thought it's supposed to show the player the ways of the region and introduce them to Sha.
It's not only morally questionable, it's a war crime to kill enemies you could just take into custody, even if it costs you resources. So if doing this was indeed a quest, it definitely would've deserved a spot on this list.
Let's not forget through that 'war crimes' are a literal 20th century construct.
LeonSylon there is exactly the same quest horde side.
These are pretty QUESTionable.... get it?
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Haha-- bad puns are the best!
I appreciated the pun
"What have they done to you, Evildave?"
Made me lol
The "Fool's gold" quest can also be done by the Horde the same thing happen if you were wondering
Yeah he painted the alliance as the bad guys but it all depends on the players faction.
they can get a bit irrational tho
Leave it to a hordie to not mention you aid Thalen Songweaver, hand Garrosh a WMD, and aid sylvanas in using biological weapons of mass destruction, but do mention the elimination of enemy agents in Dalaran.
but Dalaran is neutral territory, and some of the elf might have been innocents
Except they didn't help him. There's a difference between helping someone, and not snitching. It's in their best interest not to say shit, because if they did, Garrosh would have killed them, or put them in prison for treason.
People don't "have it coming", "it" being *genocide* because they *don't want to go to prison or get executed.*
"They still supported the Sunreavers!" Oh yes, because Americans who support freedom also support every decision their government makes too! Oh wait - they don't. Same goes with literally *every self-aware creature that's present in a society where government exists.*
"We got the job done!" You killed innocent people who had nothing to do with anything. We're mostly wrong because you're killing innocent people? You're legit retarded. It's people like you who I'm going to revel in when Genn and Jaina get killed, and I can spit in your faces once more, as I did in Gilneas when we took your sad excuse for a city capital.
that DK quest where u have to kill ur "friend" its heartbreaking
first time i did that i just stood there a few minutes like "do i really have to?"
Trust me when you play as a DK Night Elf its really messed up
@@deciduous_reaper
I have a DK Night Elf.
@@theeunknown2620 thank you for this contribution to the thread.
Yes, the emotional buildup to this character was downright overwhelming. I've known them for a full minute and now I have to kill them?
*sob*
There is a quest in the Badlands where you kick Goats off a cliff, thats pretty fucked up
Ikr I did that the other day. I kicked them not off the cliff but either on the side ._.
Actually it's pretty hilarious, if you ask me!
It's raining goats
I don't know if this counts, but there's also the Edwin VanCleef head quest. Edwin did deserve pay, and his actions felt justified. Plus we killed him in front of his innocent daughter.
And to be fair, he was right. SW was beyond corrupt with Varian essentially a puppet in his own palace...he just didn't realize he was also allied with the one behind the corruption in the first place, that was simply playing everyone against each other.
Edwin went about it the wrong way, rioting and what not is not a way to get your voice heard. They don't live in a democracy, it's a monarchy, when you riot against your king, that is treason and whatever moral high ground you had goes out the window. Riots and throwing a tantrum is not productive. Considering that HIS riots caused the death of Varian's wife. Who had NOTHING to do with this bullshit.
Wait, their is his daughter in the Dungeon ?
We didn't know VanCleef's daughter was there, and the guy who originally gave us that quest is horrified when he learns about it.
I love how Rise, Forsaken! was so fucked up even Garrosh...yes you heard it EVEN GARROSH said that's really fucked up sometime later on.
His reaction to the bombing of the Druids in Stonetalon... He _used_ to be a pretty decent guy... I always found the line 'Hellscreams eyes are upon you' pretty stalker-ish though.
and our beloved queen had the best answer ever after he asked her what the difference between her and the lk was
Cata Garrosh was from the best timeline....unfortunately during the transition to Pandaria we entered the worst timeline (according that dragon who helped us get back to Alt Draenor for Maghar recruitment quest).
Most Warlock and Death Knight class quests
You mean that was removed.
Tnecniw yea, but tbh trafficking in souls to curry favor with demons is pretty bad. Sort of knowingly spreading demonic influence for more power
I mostly just see warlocks doin shit to demons , so I guess it's a little forgivable
Tnecniw dk starting quest is still ingame.
Yeah, or killing a member of the House of Nobles for his Anit-warlock views...so the characters warlock could just do treason to the Alliance.
What I enjoy about WoW is the way it takes these two factions, pits them against each other, and for the player who loyally stays to one side, they are blind to the fact that neither faction is good or bad. Both are trying to make ends meet, and both have done some pretty heinous things. It presents a very realistic setting despite the fantasy world
I wish you didn't have to break away from the Lich King and continue to do all the things you did in the DK starting zone. Just raid and destroy towns and other players.
do the dk order hall campaign and mount quest ;)
Thierry Daou The most fun I've had In years was doing the DK orderhall chain, Can't recommend highly enough.
Zach Sweet out of all the campaigns (I did them all) dk was the most fun.
I still think the scourge should be a third faction all-together.
I have a DK named Arthas (Yes, I managed to grab that name during a weird patch) on an RP server and I refuse to turn in my quest to see the king just so I can walk through the streets of Stormwind and have everyone hostile towards me. :P
The Kaluak daily quest in Dragonblight where you literally kidnap wolvar pups so the Kaluak can raise them to be more peaceful and friendly should have definitely been an honorable mention
FoxInaWolfPack but arent these wolves aggressive anyway?
A friend of mine thought they were actually eating them, since we never see those pups again.
eafe saf They are but that's like going out and domesticating an aggressive species to no longer be aggressive....the harm that would cause to the food chain and natural order is crazy
+FoxInaWolfPack Wolvar are also sentient so its more like kidnapping a child from another country
the bombing in stonetalon mountains shouldve been on this list for sure.
The thing with the bombing in Stonetalon is that it starts off kinda normal as quests go, and once things start getting out of hand the player isn't really working for the warlord anymore, so the qest chain being morally questionable is debatable. As a matter of fact the last few missions in the chain have the player trying to help the Tauren stop the madness.
Yep, this is a pretty good reason why I didn't include it.
So? You still prepare the bomb that is set to slaughter hundreds of innocent druids. I think the reason why it was left off is so that your narrative of: The Alliance are monsters! And the Horde are just pure innocent angels, falls apart if you were to actually add Horde questionable quests. It's the reason you claimed the Fool's Gold quest is only Alliance side, a Horde player such as yourself should have known that Fool's Gold is the very same fucking thing on Horde.
Just one thing just like the bombing of therefore u had no idea what's going on u were told to do mundane tasks and u do it that's it.it took garnish to suddenly come over Lauren request to find out what the true plan was.
@@skychaser8745 calm down bronie, its not like the horde doesnt pretend to be good like the ally do ;)
You could probably take the whole dk starting questline too :_) I still remember when you had to kill the fleeing people and retrieve their arrows :( Man the dk questline was so good
Actually this Murloc quest where you have to disguise yourself to kill their leader is not that bad, because alternative to it would be mass genocide of their kind. So it's only questionable if you prefer genocide to perfidy.
adradox or maybe not killing anyone hmmm
Depens on the quest, you idiot
That's why it's not high on the list.
Its murlocs so yea, i prefer the genocide.
Killing enemy combatants isn't genocide. I find perfidy worse than the killing of enemy combatants. Just because you think you're morally superior doesn't allow you to use these tactics which cause suffering to civilians and innocents. The moment they attack you though, they're no longer civilians.
I find this question way worse than the bad science one ranked above it for example, as while the bad science one involves illegal (and immoral) animal abuse and experimentation, the surrender involves a way worse crime as it actively harms innocent civilians.
"The art of persuasion" really pissed me off, especially since I played a Paladin.
Oh no, we mages aren't allowed to torture, you do it instead, surely that's no problem for someone with faith in the light, right?
Killing innocent blood elves, raising undead, stealing oil, killing and raising refugees to undead, committing warcrimes, serve the lich king and killing your best friend... meh.
Killing poor Hippogryphs - NOOOOO!
Fucking Goblins. The Horde should be nuked just because they accepted these mad green bois in their ranks !
It wasn't that high on the list, and the goblins have done much worse than that without batting an eye. They're completely amoral.
i honestly think the most morally questionable quest was at the end of the death knight class hall campaign where you raid light's hope chapel and raise all the paladins as ghouls, in classic arthas style
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Vereesa gives you these quests, not Jaina. Throughout the quests it is explicitly stated you are to kill elves who forcibly resist arrest, though at the same time Vereesa makes it very explicit too that she hopes they *all* resist arrest.
Also, If I remember correctly, the killing of civilians is up to the player, they are not specific targets of any quests, your video itself doesn't show you gaining any credit for the innocents you killed (you monster).
-The killing quest requires you to put down the elves who have taken arms and are forcibly resisting arrest, as said before the killing of civilians does not progress it.
-The quest that sends you to the underbelly also has you fight armed elves. I believe on the horde side they are holding position to smuggle out as many of the other elves as they can.
-The shopkeepers, not all were resisting, you get given a list of four shopkeepers that, like all the other quests, have taken up arms to resist arrest.
-Lastly, the quest with the magister trying to withdraw his money from the bank before escaping (it was only one not multiple as you say). The excuse Vareesa gives is he lost claim to his wealth when he committed treason against the Kirin Tor. Is this true? I don't know but I don't think Vareesa has the authority to decide that either way. Also, he does resist arrest.
Just setting the record straight. Up to you if it's justifiable or not, that's why it is in the list of *questionable* quests after all.
Also, a bit misleading claiming the Alliance as a faction takes the cake in this when the actual leader of the Alliance was using diplomacy and these actions were commited by a third party, Jaina as the leader of the Kirin Tor, who had just moments earlier in the quest chain declared they would remain neutral. In fact the reason she is outraged is the Sunreavers smuggled *a weapon of mass destruction* (calling it "just a bell" is so misleading) for Garrosh after she *just* told the Alliance the Kirin Tor would *not* chose a side. But hey, faction animosity!
And Jaina's 'leisurely stroll' around Dalaran during this event is not her killing Blood Elves... she's simply freezing them and teleporting them to Violet Hold.
Sadly, Aethas Sunreaver, and probably most of the Sunreavers were unaware that Garrosh had sent the Divine Bell through Dalaran... after all, Aethas Sunreaver actually HELPED Jaina to defend Theramore earlier and was one of the council who actually voted her in as the leader of the Kirin Tor. It's guilt by association because there definitely were Sunreavers who violated Dalaran's neutrality and thus committed treason against the Kirin Tor... but she had no way of knowing which ones did it... every single one is a suspect.
If Jaina's move against them had gone a bit smoother, they would have likely all been incarcerated at Violet Hold while an investigation was carried out to determine which ones were involved in the theft of the bell. When you are the police and you have a list of suspects, you're sure as hell going to make sure that each and every one of them does not skip town until you can definitively rule them out as a suspect.
But... things didn't go as planned... many of the Sunreavers died resisting arrest and the Horde managed to spring some of them, including Aethas Sunreaver himself, so... we got that mess instead... with the Horde harbouring fugitives, and the Alliance holding the balance of power in Dalaran.
The timing sure as hell sucks though... Varian Wrynn might very well have convinced Lor'themar Theron to bring the blood elves back to the Alliance if not for this purge in Dalaran. Considering how upset Varian was, he must have been very close before news from Dalaran shut down the negotiations.
Well said sir!
Could never give this enough likes. He made it patently clear in the past he was biased towards Horde and it shown in this video. I don't care which faction he prefers but when you are making videos that are supposedly based on facts and that bias is getting in the way of that, that when is when I start having a problem.
Even Jaina herself during her patrol (leisurely stroll as he calls it) can be seen killing some elves and then teleporting others to the Violet Hold. You can understand Jaina's reasons considering the Horde used her neutral city as a means of smuggling a weapon of mass destruction out of Darnassus. A weapon that overwhelms anyone that heard it with negative emotions which makes them easily succumb to the Sha. It was confirmed that the leader of the Sunreavers truly knew about what Garrosh had planned but looked the other way. In reality Garrosh's underlings who worked within the Sunreavers were found to be just as responsible.
Jaina primarily just wanted to imprison the lot until they could get to the bottom of things on who was responsible for this betrayal within the Kirin Tor. Any who did not resist were imprisoned, any who resisted and fought against her were put down. I find what she did, did come from valid reasons. There were traitors within at Garrosh's beck and call, this is indisputable, and she had no way of knowing who amongst the Sunreavers was one of Garrosh's underlings, is she to just let them roam free and commit further sabotage and wrongdoings in the shadows? She would be stupid if she did. Besides she was still a little touchy from oh, I don't know, her entire city getting nuked.
@Jeff Engert I'm not sure if you're memeing, but Jaina very clearly uses a fireball to kill a blood elf in the video.
I love Ally losers that will literally sit here and defend their lousy faction to the bitter end. Sad.
this adds on to the goblin quests, I think it's hilarious that you are taking out poachers in one part of highmountain while in another you're asked to test rockets and other various weapons on random animals
I kinda forgot that my Death Knight wasn't a particularly good person until the order campaign in Legion. I'm not going to go into major spoilers, but the mission to get the final Horseman was just so... wrong. I kept saying sorry throughout because it was just a bit too despicable.
Felt the same way. But after the twist near the end it's quite good. (still killing innocent members of other class was pretty questionable)
deathalizer82 I was actively hoping that the boss at the end would live. It would've been such a dick move if they didn't.
Robert Fancyman wow...can't wait to get to the end of my dk quest line then
"Without monsters, there can be no heroes."
killing members of the very order that freed us from the lich king and were our greatest allies in northrend,trying to desecrate the tomb of the one who killed arthas,that was just fucked up
Even Darion and the other ebon knights are not feeling it before we go,and tbf if it wasn't so detrimental to me I'd have skipped it.I'm pretty sure the ebon blade swore to never fall so low again,yet we get manipulated by the lich king,the one thing we decided to never do again
that onr quest in bootybay I think where you have to decapitate a cow to impersonate a Tauren
Doesn't the cow agree to it though, so that the whole city could be saved?
James Skelton
the cow lets you do it if you explain the plan
it sacrificed itself
yep, it does.
James Skelton omg...I have to find it...lol
on the road out of booty bay to the left is an npc (with a flashing arrow, hard to miss) and he invites you to prove your loyalties to the enemy. In order to do it, you need Bessie's head. If you complete the entire quest line (which is fairly long and involved) there's an interesting twist at the end.
so there's a vanilla undead quest in the starting zone. after you hit level 5 and leave. you can get a quest to steal some pumpkins from scarlet members. you turn these pumpkins in at an undead apothecary. the apothecary will then send you to some Hunan prisoners in the inn. you feed one the concoction and they die. later on you return with a beer for the dwarf. the dwarf turns into a ghoul and then dies. I'm pretty sure this constitutes as a war crime, and the first time I did it I was surprised there was no reaction from anyone who saw (npc who saw)
Prior to cata those quests were Undead only. The horde didn't see anything about the new plague until late Silverpine and weren't clearly clued in on what it was for, unlike the early Tirisfal quests that make deadly clear what it was for.
4:45 Sylvanas only did that because Garrosh was forcing her to win the Gilnean-Undead war at Lordaeron as fast as possible.It even shows later that Sylvanas isnt actually that bad. After you win the Battle of Gilneas at the Horde questline at the point where we have the daughter of Crowley, we just deliver her to him unturned as he promises to retreat his forces from Silverpine and Gilneas.
@Hirumaredx One quest that got me in the feels is 'Steel Thunder' quest in Silverpine Forest. Where you force an Orc peon to carry crates, he is screaming in pain, saying its too much and ends up literally getting worked to death. No one seems to bat an eyelid or comment on it at all. I was like WTF??
Oft times, when I'm forced to do escort quests, I do wish for the option simply to kill them. =/
i'm so surprised that no one ever seems to talk about this one quest in MOP. It's horde only, and you're told that the alliance aaked for volunteering pandarens to help build bases. Turns out the alliamce enslaved those pandarens. As a horde youbwere told to free those pandarens. Whem rescueing these pandarens theyll say lines that point out to enslavement by the alliance.
yeah, but that same thing happens on the alliance side as well, since the local garrison in both cases have been driven insane by the Sha. The exact atrocities vary slightly (the Horde are sacrificing the local pandarian children to summon demons).
I think the starting quests for the dwarves also deserve being mentioned. It's been a while since I played them, but what the dwarves are doing with the troggs and trolls, and the troggs literally pleading for you to stop was just messed up
Out of many WoW youtubers i've watched, this guy has the best narration. He puts in a ton of effort and I love how there's always background music, which usually adds to the intended emotion felt on the topic. It constantly changes to fit the themes within one video. It's not just random. His narration just evokes emotion. Not all youtubers can do that. My favourite things from him are the spooky, suspicious and creepy videos. Such as this one, Old God vids and Dark Moon Fair stuff.
The "do the right thing" quest doesn't allow you to kill the human seedlings anymore, now when you right click them in automatically digs them out, no option of hitting them with the shovel... just FYI
Well to be fair with Jaina... she stood up against her own kind to achieve peace with the Horde... she killed HER OWN FATHER, she loved him like a daughter can love her dad. And after the orcs invaded Azeroth in sheer bloodlust after drinking tons of demon blood, you can't really blame the humans of Proudmore's generation either for treating orcs so bad... they tore Stormwind apart and killed thousands of innocents. If a couple of jears later the next Warchief just starts dropping weapons of Mass destruction on your city, YOU the one who FOUGHT AND KILLED YOUR OWN KIND FOR THEM.... jeah i guess that leaves a bad taste in your mouth
Exactly, I really don't understand why people seem to ignore Jaina's backstory.
I know this is probably a dead thread , but Jaina never raised a finger against her father, she just didn’t stop the Horde from putting down the racist dog that happened to be her father.
The quest "Avenge Me!" in Icecrown would probably be number one on my list.
it's funny, i loved and relished the dk starting area, its so cinematic and personal. but i hate when goblins tell me to hurt animals they tortured... i think animals just have an innate innocence. but really the dk quest zone is badass
There was the Horde Felwood quest line back from Vanilla through Wrath where you were gathering various oozes for the Forsaken apothecary to "cure" a poisoned Tauren druid. I first did it on my Tauren warrior and really felt like crap when I helped the Forsaken kill a fellow Tauren.
Awh man! That video was fantastic! I really liked your list and learned about some I didn't know yet. I know another one that really disturbed me. It's at the beginning of Pandaria, Alliance side. You're getting the order to fly in a gyrocopter and shoot the Horde at the ground with a machine gun. They're defenseless and don't see it coming, it's just a massacre. When I did that quest the first time, I felt sick.
Thanks for the video, you got a nice voice, it's easy to listen to. Keep it up!
Typical Jaina and Sylvanas. Such frustrating characters. They should be next to get obliterated!
Nah Sylvanas should stay alive. Plus she's the warchief and we cant just change the warchief so soon already!
Clearly you haven't been paying close enough attention to the story to understand why Jaina is so angry, or why Sylvanas is the way she is. It's better writing than you seem to think.
TheYellowSlimeGamer Stay alive? Too late mate
Golesh02 What? She is alive still though
Well, she still can think and do stuff :D
Rise, Forsaken is one of my favorite quests. As a pro-Forsaken player, I love the idea of bolstering our ranks with fresh Undead... you could say I'm a little biased hehe.
When i went through DK starting zone, part of me wanted to remain a Scourge member. Sometimes people just want to play evil guys.
Tae kidis Dickson Oh wow, you're so original.
How about you get over yourself alright? You don't know shit about me, so kindly fuck off.
I mean I love Forsaken but my irl views on the matter is that it's evil and wrong lol, cursing people with Undeath is wrong imo.
gifting people eternal life is wrong? then i dont want to be right :)
Jeszebel Agree'd lol.
As an alliance player, Jaina is fucking terrifying.
Trump's Wall I kinda agree with you. Now imagine if Jaina and Greymane were collaborating... The Alliance would be torn to pieces.
Trump's Wall yeah damn I never saw the alliance side of that quest before so I just thought they were putting the elves in the violet hold. but damn that's terrible.
I feel that Jaina has been corrupted by the Old Gods, or is a Dreadlord. She made a complete 180 from what she used to be in just one xpac.
The horde side of that quest game be so.much trouble Jaina would just one shot you if see saw you
No. Just. Fucking.No
I think the quest where I had to hammer fel-bits into myself made me question my morality.
As a paladin, I felt very conflicted.
Taking in Admiral Taylor made me question myself. Mostly because I'd be damning him for all eternity in the garrison that I never go to. I really wish I could swap some war stories with him.
You did the Alliance proud, Taylor.
Hey I just wanted to say, although I play a lot of vg's I've never played world of Warcraft before in my life but I love watching your videos which I think is pretty high praise. And it's not just for your incredible paintings. Keep it up!
the photo in the end of the vid. megumin it os awesome
but she is amazing even whit out exlosion
Not to diminish Purge of Dalaran, but "Rise, forsaken" may well be worse. Jaina at least didn't turn sunreavers into rotting slaves.
Both quests (Purge is questchain but who cares) are really depressing, in large part because "YOU DO WHAT IS GOOD FOR YOUR FACTION! QUESTION IT NOT!". Makes me question where my (or my character's) loyalties are.
Why female rulers are so evil?
Yah your right, Rise Forsaken should probably be number 1. I kinda wanted to show it early in the list though since its a really good example of what the video is trying to highlight.
Lady Sylvanas lost it after Arthas died,he was her anchor of sanity,when he was alive she focused all her attention and hate towards him,but after he died she was just empty,same happened to Maiev after she defeated Illidan,they were empty,as Illidan said huntress is nothing without the hunt.its like when you farm mounts,after you get it you feel happy for a few minutes and then you start feeling empty.
i wouldnt say that considering whats shes doing now and the forsaken arent slaves they have free will...
corey taylor they're 100% slaves. Otherwise why would people who were literally refugees from the Forsaken, immediately join the Forsaken after being resurrected.
To be fair it is inconsistent. Lillian Voss rejects the Forsaken but it doesn't make sense for the Hillsbrad refugees to join.
***** they are not. They have free will its literally said in the beggining of the forsaken starting zone there are even undeads rebels against the forsaken...
Do bare in mind the countless times Jaina was betrayed. Yet still remained as a shield (metaphorically) before snapping. People here seemingly forget that part. She snapped due to the bombing of Theramore. On top of that.. people are saying "OMG Jaina killed civilians?!" yet rarely comment on Sylvanas and all the atrocities she has commited. (One example being her ordering people to kill refugees and forcefully making them undead / forsaken) Neither of them are saints in any sense.
you fail to see one important difference in the comparison of sylvanas and jaina. Sylvanas leads the forsaken, an undead faction completely alien to the rest of the world. the forsaken do NOT consider it morally wrong or evil to gift people with undeath. Jaina on the other hand is human, and KNOWS what shes doing is wrong on every level. the forsaken do not apologize, because they have no emotion. they do not feel guilt, they do not feel shame. Evil is just a word there. its akin to considering an alien race of tentacle monsters from 5 galaxies away, and assuming they have human morality. lol.
Undead are not technically alien. They're humans who died and got resurrected again. Sylvanas does infact feel emotions. This is proven when you listen to her Lockbox if I remember correctly. She commands the Vyr'Kul to resurrect people. The Vyr'Kul do give those resurrected a choice to either live as undead or go back to the grave. Also undead do feel emotions. One does, at least. Forgotten her name now but you see her in the Scarlet Crusade. It's also possible that other undead feel emotions as well.
Hastings Gaming forsaken do not feel emotions so much as they remember a specific emotion and holds onto that singluraly. usually its a need for revenge or something simple like that. But emotions it is not. Sylvanas is unique in the sense that she still inhabits and regenerates her former body, she and the forsaken are nothing alike there :). the scarlet crusade one is also unique, but again, not so much emotion there as obsession. but i suppose it comes down to semantics and points of view :). I said the forsaken are baically alien because once you are liberated from the curse of flesh and mortality, you will never be the same. calling the forsaken mere dead humans is a grave insult to the superior form they now inhabit :)
Valid point then. I agree, it does come down to simple opinions I suppose. Still, I am inclined to say that Sylvanas and Jaina are both evil (in sense). Hence why I pointed out that neither of them are saints, at the end of my first comment, that is. :P
Fearful of the abomination she'd become? More like: she was raised as a child to believe that being Forsaken/undead is the most horrible thing anyone could imagine - *and she found out that belief was wrong.*
When you bring morality into it you see that the Forsaken *aren't* like the Scourge, because the Scourge weren't raising the dead with free will, or for the reason that they're preserving their people. They raised the dead to conquer the world. The Forsaken are doing it to procreate, and make sure they don't die out.
Silverpine showed us that the Forsaken are ample enough to take Gilneas from the Alliance Night Elves, Humans, and Worgen. It showed us that Sylvanas prioritizes the well being of her people over you, as any leader should. The Silverpine events show us that she's more moral than a lot of leaders, and not wiling to take shit if it means protecting herself and her people.
Misconstruing again, are we?
As an Alliance played, I say you did the right thing by putting Jaina's Resolution on number one spot. I HATED that quest.
I remember being really stricken by an Alliance quest in Tanaris where you kill survivors of a goblin shipwreck because they're "crazy" or something. Upon further investigation it looks like the survivors are hostile to both factions, so I guess there is some justification but... I dunno, I felt bad for the poor guys.
jaina before:
“we must coexist peacefully!”
jaina now:
*horde exists*
“so you have chosen death”
Remember when she refused purging a village which led to one of the biggest tragedies in wow universe? Im pretty sure she rememberz
To be perfectly fair to her, the horde kept doing her dirty. She championed peace between the two factions for hte longest time and what response does she get? She gets bombed, she gets betrayed multiple times, and your still expecting her to be the naive little girl who thinks that peace can exist between them?
"Moved a bell through the city"
That's a funny way to say "Used Dalaran resources to break into an Alliance city and steal a WMD"
@Chris Keys First off, it wasn't their resources to use, it was the exploitation of a neutral state.
Second off, I never said it should incur mass murder.
Third off, Aethas Sunreaver was confronted by Jaina, and had an opportunity to come clean about what happened. He instead chose to lie through his teeth.
I love your wow videos, please keep making them, keep it up!
With the fool's gold quest I'm pretty sure is also a horde quest. I remember watching someone play and it plays the same way but instead of a gnome its a goblin and of course you beat up a alliance NPC instead of a horde one
I always found the forsaken quests worse than goblin quests; like then they have you poison alliance races to test plauge, even feeding a prisoner plauged pumpkins. Actually alot of UC stuff was pretty shady like the cowering alliance prisoners in the apothecarium that are STILL there. And that tauren there you poison too.
the warlock quest for the green fire made me fill kind of bad. you go to the black temple and lie to akama so you can do what you want there then after that akama thinks your going to help him but instead your imp comes out and tells you to ditch him and take their gold. you take it and go fight the boss at the top of the temple. it always bugged me because i thought my warlock was better than that but i guess not.
we're_like_a_lesser_version_of_gul'dan
so our warlorcks are hobbo versions of gul'dan
It's a tough job, thats why they send a warlock to do it!
i would just prefer mine to be a little less evil than the rest.
fuck akama that traitor.
Without watching it im saying: "VanCleef"
Watching Vanessa seeing her father getting cut his head off during westfall? Yeah could have been one
Haha I know right? What they did in that showed how both sides can be on the wrong. Loved the narrative of that.
And then the rogue class hall kind of suggests Edwin might not actually be dead, just to screw with you.
Eucep There is nothing Like that as far as im concerned. He was mentioned I believe, yet only Like "your father wouldn't Like that"
We took his Head tho. And he is no Hydra.
Heil Hydra
well he got screwed over by the people of stormwind. They had him (re)build the city(or nethergarde keep, or both?) and then didnt pay him :D
How about the dailies for Sons of Hodir during the WOTLK? Every quest was you practically performing fellatio for rep. Polish the helm, blow the horn hell they even bareback you in you.
10:41
"The Negotiations is kinda... 'Fall through', for some reason" My Sarcasm meter is going crazy
“Do the right thing” reminds me of a movie called “Motel Hell” where unwitting customers are buried up to their necks and killed to make jerky.
What about the two bombs the Horde decide to drop on the innocents? Between the stonetalon druids and Theramore stonetalon was probably worse
While you did help transport the bomb, you then worked to get Garrosh to notice it and stop the attack and you also try to stop the attack. Then Garrosh arrives and executes the commander.
What's the quest addon with the black bars?
"Catch the wind"
What are the addons you use for your UI modifications?
Oh yeah Jaina's resolution should definitely be number 1 especially since it is almost exactly what the Nazis did to the Jews of Berlin on Kristallnacht.
my questionable quest was during the under city siege where we asked either to use the blight to kill the allaince while horde are out there fighting them . i had mix of feeling wheather was right or wrong to use it . i instead helped saving the fallen hordes and take them to safty. again like baine and soufang said "honor no matter how dire the battle might be" something like that.
Something about people engaging on the "Jaina vs Garrosh: who was more evil" arguments makes my heart warm. It's like the people are actually a part of Alliance and the Horde and are being loyal to their factions. I feel like im in a tavern in Azeroth, listening patrons argue. I love it!
My two cents? Alliance needed a character like new Jaina (to keep the story interesting). Garrosh becoming more and more corrupt made even the members of the Horde uncomfortable, naturally he grew more hostile towards the Alliance. As a leader chosen by naive ol' Thrall, nobody could really say "no". Thus Jaina's town gets nuked. What gets me is that she was willing to let this go, but went all Hitler when a small group residing in Dalaran betrayed her. No investigation, no sympathy, no nothing; dismantle the horde! Her hatred has become a problem almost, as she is at odds with Khadgar whenever he works with the Horde to save the world etc.
With most of the cool leaders dead and some forgotten, I guess she is all I have left to look forward to. I am curious to where her character arc is going. Will she let go of her hatred and become the innocent good girl again? Or will she let vengeance consume her and become the next Arthas?
the dk is called evildave hahah
You didn't even bring up the Gilneas questline? Where Sylvanas invades a neutral country, kills its citizens en masse, and uses biological weapons (which is ALSO a war crime) to render the entire country uninhabitable?
But you know, Jainia killed a few blood elves in dalaran, worst faction ever.
Yes, because Jaina killed innocent people. Feral Worgen believing to be ravaging a city and transforming people into worgen aren't innocent. Necessity for resources for the Horde is again, justified.
The fact that you're comparing Sylv to Jaina is hilariously ignorant.
Gilneas was walled off and posed no threat to Sylvanas. The country was surrounded by water on 3 sides and walled off on the 4th. In addition, the worgen threat was mostly under control when Sylvanas invaded.
As for your moronic statement about "transforming people into worgen arent innocent" are you implying the NON-changed, unarmed, gilnean citizens that Sylvanas' forces mowed down weren't innocent? What about the evacuation ships she tried to destroy? The houses she burned down?
And WHAT resources? Sylvanas showed up, tried to invade the city, and when she was pushed back, she killed the prince with a slow acting poision before releasing a bio weapon that rendered the entire country uninhabitable by anyone INCLUDING her own people. At no point during that process were any resources acquired.
By the way, Garrosh explicitly told her in person that she was to withdraw from the city and under no circumstances was she permitted to use biological weapons. GARROSH FUCKING HELLSCREAM.
Jainia was evil as fuck, but if you really think that Sylvanas was in any way justified in her unwarranted massacre of Gilneas (a, once again, NEUTRAL COUNTRY), you are either retarded or biased as fuck.
Gilneas wasn't walled off at the start of the Cataclysm and was being attacked by feral worgen which *do* pose a threat to Sylvanas. So leaving a settlement of turning feral worgen, and the resources needed southward because of the catacylsm is why she invaded. The Catacylsm *broke the wall.* The worgen threat *wasn't under control because people were still being turned.*
The citizens *were not unarmed.* No one was unarmed by the time Sylv started her march, because they were either fighting worgen *or worgen themselves.* All of which therefore, are perceived as a threat from a tactical perspective because they are mobilized and armed like an army. There were no unarmed citizens in Gilneas by the time Sylv got there, because they were all either worgen or fighting worgen. The city was razed *because they were worgen as far as she knew.* Add in this fact, and the one where you're fighting against her, and no duh she's going to attack your ships, and burn houses.
"WHAT RESOURCES?" That's literally *the whole point to the march south.* Garrosh signed off on it because *everyone was searching for resources during the time of the Catacylsm, because one of the major points of contention caused by the catacylsm was resource destruction.* She showed up because marching southward for resources was the initial idea. She ran across Gilneas, being invaded by worgen, and sought to destroy that little problem because feral worgen have been nothing but trouble in the past. Uninhabitable? She wasn't looking to inhabit it, she was looking to gain access to the quarries and such near it. Gilneas being inhabitable isn't her concern, the rock face on the shore, the lumber, and other resources surrounding it were her concern. It's like you haven't even done the quest lines or something, because you're spewing nonsense.
He told her to *not use the plague.* I don't recall *any* mention of telling her to withdraw. Garrosh Hellscream is a bigot and a racist - of course he's going to tell Sylv not to use something that's culturally exclusive as a weapon, because he's a bigot, not because it's right. *You're talking about a guy who's sole interest is spreading orcish influence.* He didn't care about the plague itself, just the cultural implications because it originated via forsaken. Garrosh has no moral standards, so saying because he said it's bad it must be really bad is a fallacy. He didn't say no because it was "bad", he said no because he's a bigot.
1. Gilneas wasn't neutral. See above. Feral worgen, and armed citizens make something hostile, not neutral.
2. Unwarranted =/= heading south for the resources, and prioritizing her people (yet again) over the Gilneans.
You're the one who's either retarded or biased, because you can't see *the reason she marched south in the first place.*
If you had done the quest line, you would know that the city was walled off, and Sylvanas was already gathering preparing to attack the Gilneans while they were weakened by the worgen. At this point, deathwing causes eathquakes which break the wall DURING the questline, and Sylvanas' forces pour in immediately.
Clearly, you haven't done the questline, have no idea what you're talking about, and are not capable of having an intelligent discussion on the topic.
Wrong. The wall broke during the Cataclysm - that's how the Worgen got in, that's how Sylv got in.
Funny, coming from the person that doesn't know the order of operation.
Side note: In aura kingdom there is a quest where you have to whip a gnome to get information for the makar and the makar was about to kill him but you decide to step in and get him to talk. The makar goes "well that was something"
Twin saga has a quest where you basically go "we have ways of making you talk" also lots of kidnapping people to interrogate them. A common occurrence in Asian MMOs
you should do a top ten hilarious flavor text in wow, my favorite flavor text is on a lvl 97 blue trinket quest item from wod "mogah's to do list." the flavor text reads: "on it, is written one thing: whatever Mogah wants!"
Arthas purging is morally questionable
Not more questionable than Jaina's purge.
Not at all, really. He gave them quick, painless deaths rather then turning into mindless undead to serve the Lich King.
If I remember correctly Purging was the correct choice as there really wouldn't have been time to properly check who's infected or not from Mal'Ganis attacking(Warcraft 3) and the Scourge attacking with limited manpower(World of Warcraft)
Jan Ossowski. No, jaina's purge is justifiable. >:V
Well, Arthas was killing people whether they had the plague or not. Some of his victims, he actually KNEW were not infected and he attacked them anyway (of course, they turned out to be dragonkin of the Infinite Dragonflight attempting to assassinate him but that's beside the point).
You aren't killing the other death knights. It's a Duel.
First of all Sunreavers betrayed her two times. She forgive them the first time( Theramore's Fall). But the second time. They helped Garosh to stole Divine Bell from Night Elves. Even though Kirin Thor should be neutral. And as I recall she gave them 2 options. To die or go to prison. It was up to them. And it was Veressa Windruner who gave you the quest to kill Sunreavers in sewers. So as you mentioned the War Crimes( law). It was not only Jaina to break the rules. After all she's lost? I'm not surprised. #Jaina MVP
Just returned to wow, and I love your vids. Oracles always come to mind when "morally questionable", but then I remember I wasn't the one who was morally questionable. Man that questchain hit hard. :/
The Nightelves, their cooking trainer has two daily profession quests which might not pop on anyone's "omg-radar" too quick, but essentially:
- One quest he tells you that baby squids are a delicacy, so he wants you to fetch him a bunch of fresh live baby squids.
- The other quest (not sure if that's still in, last time I did it was years ago) he basically wants you to strip-mine (paraphrasing here) the sea for a certain type of fish of which the young are also a delicacy to the Nightelves.
Actually, that second one I may be getting mixed up with another race's cooking daily, vague memory and all that, but yeah, don't count out those "harmless innocent" cooking dailies where you are casually asked to basically capture some animal's young so some Nightelf (or other race) can eat them alive.
Both the Alliance and the Horde think of each other as evil and their side as good due to Demonization and acts of aggression by rogue members of both factions. Both factions are either at war with each other, engaged in a cold war against each other, or under an uneasy peace treaty that can be broken at anytime. The Alliance think of the Horde as brutal barbarians who would ravage and destroy their lands while the Horde think the Alliance are arrogant tyrants who consider themselves superior and the and they worry that the Alliance would hunt them down and destroy them. But the truth is they're both bunch of self-righteous and hypocrites that damn everything they deem unworthy, and persecute those who criticize their cause.
The problem between them is that both faction are nothing more but ignorance, self-righteous and hypocrites. For example the famous destruction of Camp Taurajo which a lot of ignorant Alliance players are quick to defend this saying *General Hawthorne left an opening for civilians to escape!* or it was a legitimate military target but that doesn't change the fact that they still attacked a peaceful village and the lame excuse of a *"legitimate"* military target, it does not excuse the wanton destruction of lives and property of Camp Taurajo and yet the Alliance get piss for the destruction of Theramore, obviously a big hypocrisy on them.
linkzellda Remember Camp Taurajo! For the Horde!
Camp Taurajo doesn't compare to Theramore. That is like comparing an artillery attack on some small town on the French/German border to the dropping of the nuclear bomb on Hiroshima.
@@HouseOfAlastrian Wow how Sociopath you are?
The Alliance still commiting murder on Horde races who were just doing their jobs or doing nothing at all, so do not play the illogical game of "DO Not Compare" This WIth The Other because it will not work on me buddy.
Arthas is the true Lich King!
Arthas is the true King!
For the Lich King we do anything!
*For the Lich King ! For Arthas!*
The quest for actually playing WoW again is morally questionable.
in few of the Legions quests, player need to destroy bunch of harpy eggs. I found that morally questionable since harpies are a sentient race and destroying their eggs wouldn't really be much different that killing bunch of other humanoid races infants
Manabomb and Theramore and Burning and Teldrassil are the only things I need to say to counter "Alliance? Bunch of monsters" - or hell, I'll add Demon-Blood, Dark Portal(s), Invasion and Guldan! Jaina was justifiably pissed at the BE's (but she should have attacked their leaders only, not the merchants etc.)...they made the Manabomb that killed her people (and the guy who tossed her into a portal to save her) and they disobeyed the neutrality of the Kirin Tor!
Also you can't commit war crimes against Murlocs because they're not recognized as any kind of government
Read the title of the video: it's the most MORALLY questionable quests, not the most LEGALLY questionable.
Blood elves massacred by jaina....
Just like her late ex bf.
Jaina is justified in her anger towards the Horde, considering the abhorrent shit they have done. Bombing the vale of peaceful Druids. (against Garrosh's orders you say? The Alliance doesn't know that.) Slaughtering innocents, killing her closest friends and responsible for the death of the greatest mage to ever live: Rhonin. Then you come across the Broken Shore where people were resolute to fight to the end, but the Horde pussied out like a bunch of wimps. Naturally, Vol'jin croaks like a fucking pussy and puts a actually capable Warchief in charge. Also people that hate on Genn for his hate for the Forsaken: Those fuckers blighted his homeland and killed his son. I think anyone would be a little messed up over that. Also consider that Anduin did not endorse this. It was GENN who did this, not the Alliance. so stop comparing the two.
I don't say Alliance is better then the Horde, or vice verse. Both have done some pretty horrid shit, and both are incapable of taking responsibility for it. Or was Sylvannas held responsible for slaughtering innocents in Gilneas? No? Shut the fuck up about Jaina not being held responsible then. They have their titty cards, which protects them from any repercussion that SHOULD befall them. Oh and shall we mention how it shows Sylvannas made a deal to enslave the Val'kyr in Stormheim? Are we REALLY going to ignore the fact that Genn Greymane actually saved the Val'kyr from being enslaved to the Banshee Queen? Fucking morons.
"The Only Way Down is in a Body Bag"
as shooting down enemy aircrafts is a part of normal warfare, killing off parachuting enemies is...
There is one quest in Icecrown (for the Horde, and perhaps for the Alliance, idk, I never play them) where you find a wounded grunt and hear about his squad attacking Alliance soldiers that were fighting the undead at the time. And then he asks you to go and finish off wounded Alliance soldiers that survived.
Jaina was the real antagonist of MoP. Garrosh did nothing wrong.
killing harambe is the first quest
Jaina's resolution? More like the final solution.
The entire old Deadmines quest chain which leads to the new Deadmines dungeon is one of my favourite yet morally wrong quest chains in my opinion. I highly suggest exploring it :)
I had goosebumps when you mentioned the DK's questchain
Sorry, I don't accept what Blizz did to Jaina as cannon. As far as I am concerned, she is a dread lord or other some such thing. She can't have gone from a paragon of peace and love to a raging genocidal psychopath. Not buying it. Don't care.
I just hope that they don't leave her like this. I really get tired of the whole " everything gets corrupted " theme blizzard seems to like. Anyway I feel like they pulled a George Lucas with her character.
I think it's fair. Having to kill her father, seeing her lover be turned into the Lich King and attempt to consume the world, see the ruins of her governed island and witness the deformed, burned bodies and faces of many friends and her beloved apprentice, gave ONE MORE chance at the Broken Shore, only to see her king , Tirion and many other unnamed allies die. She has many reasons to lose her mind. I say she lasted long enough to begin with. She was hopeful until Theramore, then she just lost it, gave one more chance, and was betrayed AGAIN, from her point of view.
So in so many quests you can see reallife szenarios.. the Jaina one reminded me of the "Reichskristallnacht" in Nazi germany. Well the Oil one.. we all know where it's from. The worgen one reminds me of the american invasion in japan, where the japanese people would kill themselves rather than get killed when captured, or about to be. The refugee one is kinda up to date from the perspective of Europe. So much more, but I think that's enough of my perspective.
And the Kirin Tor torture scene.. Gta V reference, or am I thinking too far? The FIB couldn't torture him, so they got trevor for torturing him.. you know? 😂
Yeah, totaly reference to GTA V... Except GTA V was released 5 years AFTER WoTLK. So yeah, definitely reference... NOT.
UnknownDream92 Thought it waa Legion sorry 😂
Putting Alliance quests on top just because you're a Horde player, that's why I hate the Horde and It's players
I've played as both factions, and I found that most Alliance people, on live anyway, are dicks. PTR, not so much.
Play Warcraft III and you see alliance are the biggest dicks :)
Alliance is an evil faction, they are the real bad guys of the WoW universe.
You see the issue with the alliance is how racist they are. An example would be what happened when the blood elves tried to join.
Aldmeri Dominion not anymore, now the Horde took the evil faction award after Vol'jiin made the genocidal nutjob Sylvanas Warchief while he was getting high
"leave it to the Alliance to make number one?" excuse me, which faction had its leader become a end game raid boss that turned to old gods? and which faction has the literal Lich Queen leading the faction now?
BFA offers a LOT of new quests that could get into this, even a few that could easily take over as number one. The Horde's destruction of Brennadam comes to mind. You can literally find children crying in front of the bodies of their parents, impaled to buildings by pitchforks. And keep in mind that this happens BEFORE Kul Tiras joins the Alliance.