It is not unusual for there to be no brief post game analysis between players as they are purely elective. I honestly don’t see where Fabi was trying to initiate a conversation because I’m sure Hans would have certainly engaged in a post game analysis with him if Fabi desired. The word “refused” in the title is throwing me off because I didn’t see where Fabi was trying to engage in conversation afterwards. He lost and then he left, so not sure what this video is about. Sometimes there are interesting nuances in a game to discuss, sometimes there’s not. Even in Fabi’s post game analysis, he never said he tried to chat with Hans afterwards, he just stated he probably wouldn’t have wanted to. But Hans definitely didn’t “refuse” anything lol. You’re just trying to create a false narrative imo
@@valdemircjr Well good thing its not always. Hans has analyzed his games with players after the game before. He did that with players after some games in the Sinquefield cup. Valdemir Junior you make extremely sttupppidd comparisions.
Not analyzing the games with your opponent is related to the fact that he is not in good terms with most players on the field and why is that? Most players dont trust hans, correctly or not is another question but certanly they know better what happens behind the scenes than we do
@@shallowwaves7837 The toxic part here is cheating. He has been cheating in online chess for years, it also appears likely he has been cheating on otb games according to in depth analysis by multiple people who have been studying his games and comparing statistical outliers to what would be considered normal. At this point it is likely he has been cheating in otb games. The number of GMs who have been paying attention to this who support him have dropped to nearly zero. He has not been caught red handed so its a :"It seems he has likely been cheating:" the circumstantial evidence being so strong that you cant really deny it at this point once you look at it and understand what it means. But he also hasn't been caught red handed. And yes people go to jail for murder on nothing more than circumstantial evidence. When it's strong enough it is enough. Reasonable doubt is the golden standard not admission/10 eye witnesses + video + his mom saying he did it. Its nearly unreasonable at this point to believe he has not been cheating otb. The statistics, his lies about how much he has been cheating and how long ago it was, etc. all add up. Motive, habit, suspicion, data, all point to he cheated. The only defense is he hasnt been caught red handed and everyone else can be wrong. But they probably aren't.
@@shallowwaves7837 oh and by motive: he said it, and that's actually something that is proven true from his actions. :"I wanted to have a higher rating and play against stronger players:" Chesscom did write that they didn't find he cheated against any game he played against Hikaru. The analysis of Magnus game showed no indication of cheating, I don't believe he cheated in that game. I believe he cheated in tournaments leading up to this to improve his rating which fits his MO in his cheating online. We are creatures of habit.
If you are innocent, yes, you do. An innocent man would understand a misunderstanding, but Hans knows he has a history of cheating and feels shame, hurt, and anger at being caught and having the details revealed to everyone.
He is a cheater. He has been outed and is now suffering the consequences of his own actions. ":I've only ever cheated twice online and not for rating:" That was a clear lie, partial truths to seem sincere, but then chescom came out and :"Over 100 times:" in their report. Ironically he probably didn't cheat in the Magnus game, but a lot of analysis has been done on his otb games over the last couple years, and the number of GMs who pay attention to these analysis and stand by him have gone down to almost none. The most appropriate stance atm given the large amount of evidence is :"He has cheated online more than he said, its likely he has been cheating otb sparratically in an attempt to increase his rating and success but avoid cheat detection, but we have no conclusive proof of that:"
The chess analyzes itself.
🙆🙆
To be fair, this one can be explained by Hans probably having beef with Fabi, following Fabi's comments on his podcast.
The Bead vibrates for itself.
Its weird feeling playing with a cheater..
It is not unusual for there to be no brief post game analysis between players as they are purely elective. I honestly don’t see where Fabi was trying to initiate a conversation because I’m sure Hans would have certainly engaged in a post game analysis with him if Fabi desired. The word “refused” in the title is throwing me off because I didn’t see where Fabi was trying to engage in conversation afterwards. He lost and then he left, so not sure what this video is about. Sometimes there are interesting nuances in a game to discuss, sometimes there’s not. Even in Fabi’s post game analysis, he never said he tried to chat with Hans afterwards, he just stated he probably wouldn’t have wanted to. But Hans definitely didn’t “refuse” anything lol. You’re just trying to create a false narrative imo
I've seen loads of players who refuse to analyze games with their opponent after. Are they all over the board cheaters too? Magnus sometimes refuses.
Sometimes is ok. Always? Nope. Specially when you cheated 100 times in past. You Hans defenders make stupid comparisons
@@valdemircjr Well good thing its not always. Hans has analyzed his games with players after the game before. He did that with players after some games in the Sinquefield cup.
Valdemir Junior you make extremely sttupppidd comparisions.
Not analyzing the games with your opponent is related to the fact that he is not in good terms with most players on the field and why is that? Most players dont trust hans, correctly or not is another question but certanly they know better what happens behind the scenes than we do
@@TheRdg24 Yeah Caruana said himself that he and Hans is not on chatting terms nowadays.
@@sheesh6085 he said hans is not on chatting terms with him, not the other way around. He might mean that but he didnt say that.
Why would he when everyone talks crap about anything he says
Right,completely fair... You have to respect the guy.
Right. World is so toxic.
@@shallowwaves7837 The toxic part here is cheating. He has been cheating in online chess for years, it also appears likely he has been cheating on otb games according to in depth analysis by multiple people who have been studying his games and comparing statistical outliers to what would be considered normal.
At this point it is likely he has been cheating in otb games. The number of GMs who have been paying attention to this who support him have dropped to nearly zero. He has not been caught red handed so its a :"It seems he has likely been cheating:" the circumstantial evidence being so strong that you cant really deny it at this point once you look at it and understand what it means. But he also hasn't been caught red handed.
And yes people go to jail for murder on nothing more than circumstantial evidence. When it's strong enough it is enough. Reasonable doubt is the golden standard not admission/10 eye witnesses + video + his mom saying he did it. Its nearly unreasonable at this point to believe he has not been cheating otb. The statistics, his lies about how much he has been cheating and how long ago it was, etc. all add up. Motive, habit, suspicion, data, all point to he cheated. The only defense is he hasnt been caught red handed and everyone else can be wrong. But they probably aren't.
@@shallowwaves7837 oh and by motive: he said it, and that's actually something that is proven true from his actions. :"I wanted to have a higher rating and play against stronger players:" Chesscom did write that they didn't find he cheated against any game he played against Hikaru. The analysis of Magnus game showed no indication of cheating, I don't believe he cheated in that game. I believe he cheated in tournaments leading up to this to improve his rating which fits his MO in his cheating online. We are creatures of habit.
such beautiful games he doesn't need to describe it 😂🤣
Hans’ himself does not understand his moves
He felt the moves 😉
Hans is the 2pac of chess, "me against the world."
Hans analyzed with Jeffery xiong...
Well Fabi was hinting he's an OTB cheater, so would you stay to make small-talk with someone that goes on public to call you a cheater?
If you are innocent, yes, you do. An innocent man would understand a misunderstanding, but Hans knows he has a history of cheating and feels shame, hurt, and anger at being caught and having the details revealed to everyone.
@@SpaceTravel1776 cope
Well. He is a cheater
@@SpaceTravel1776 if you stayed with a man who slandered your name then you have no honour.
He is a cheater. He has been outed and is now suffering the consequences of his own actions. ":I've only ever cheated twice online and not for rating:" That was a clear lie, partial truths to seem sincere, but then chescom came out and :"Over 100 times:" in their report. Ironically he probably didn't cheat in the Magnus game, but a lot of analysis has been done on his otb games over the last couple years, and the number of GMs who pay attention to these analysis and stand by him have gone down to almost none. The most appropriate stance atm given the large amount of evidence is :"He has cheated online more than he said, its likely he has been cheating otb sparratically in an attempt to increase his rating and success but avoid cheat detection, but we have no conclusive proof of that:"
"Refuses to analyze" is just clickbait. I didn't see Fabiano offering to analyze. It was a long game, both were tired.
of course! Hans knows, that Fabiano suspect that him is a cheating! Why to analize. This title is a shame!!!
Stop it with the clickbait titles - the opponent did not ask for analysis and there was no refusal.
Hans just told the engine to play better next time
Fabiano caruana in the previous year “I'm the machine”
Probably because he can"t do post game analysis. Does not even remember the games he played
This is one of the titles of all time, Shows an absolute lack of awareness
his stockfish shoes are untied
thats because he cant explain his "decisions"
Well I mean you have to actually understand the position in order to analyze it, so it makes sense why he left so quickly