Economist Roland Fryer on Adversity, Race, and Refusing to Conform
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- University of Austin co-founder Bari Weiss sits down with Harvard economist Dr. Roland Fryer to discuss what it means to pursue the truth.
Roland Fryer is one of the most celebrated economists in the world. He is the author of more than 50 papers-on topics ranging from “the economic consequences of distinctively black names” to “racial differences in police shootings.” At 30, he became the youngest black tenured professor in Harvard's history. At 34, he won a MacArthur Genius Fellowship, followed by a John Bates Clark Medal, which is given to an economist in America under 40 who is judged to have made the most significant contribution to economic thought and knowledge.
But before coming to Harvard, Fryer worked at McDonalds-drive-through, not corporate.
Fryer’s life story of rapid ascent to academic celebrity status despite abandonment by his parents at a young age, and growing up in what he calls a “drug family” is incredibly inspiring in its own right. Because based on every statistic and stereotype about race and poverty in America, he should not have become the things he became. And yet he did.
He also continues to beat the odds in a world in which much of academia has become conformist. Time and time again, Fryer refuses to conform. He has one north star, and that is the pursuit of truth, come what may. The pursuit of truth no matter how unpopular the conclusion or inconvenience to his own political biases. He’s also rare in that he isn’t afraid to admit when he’s wrong, or to admit his mistakes and learn from them.
This conversation was inspiring, courageous, and long overdue. We hope you enjoy it as much as we did. Roland Fryer’s Pursuit of Truth
Great discussion. Roland is fearless. And I loved the part about Roland's grandmother insisting he get to know the names of Harvard's janitors - a lost value. Thank you for this.
First thing I learned when I came to this country. Never forget where you came from. Know everyone's name. Whether you are the president or cleaning dishes, we are all the same. There is no such thing as a VIP . We are all important!
I suspect that Claudine Gay never gave the time of day to a Harvard service staff member.
@@SigPuma Agreed.
@@SigPumaGay was a private school kid at the elite Philips Exeter. Of course she had plenty of contact with service staff.
And guess who else does that? Former President Donald Trump.
Roland Fryer should be Harvard's new president. Why not? 💚
Roland may not want it.
This conversation was profoundly beautiful and profoundly American.
Yes
Excellent idea!
Why not? There are several reasons "why not"
(1) He has high intelligence.
(2) He writes his papers _himself._
(3) He has integrity.
(4) He doesn't just repeat the party line.
(5) He doesn't think the acceptability of murder or genocide is context-dependent.
The above would appear to clearly disqualify him from serving as president of Harvard.
@@lawman3966 Go beyond cynicism. And the phrase "why not" was asked rhetorically.
@@rosemaryalles6043 I know that "why not" was asked rhetorically. I wasn't being cynical; I was being sarcastic. I've been a fan of Roland's for many years. I read his paper on police violence and have shared several videos of his far and wide over the years. I couldn't have a higher opinion of Roland Fryer, and couldn't have a lower one of Claudine Gay, whose skills appear to peak at memorizing and spouting standard bureaucratese.
I'd never *heard* of this man before watching this. Now, I can never forget him. Thank you.
Same here.
He has amazing interviews. Listen to Glenn Loury and John McWhorter’s podcast with him. It’s fantastic!!!! You’ll also probably like Coleman Hughes
I'm headed to that podcast right this minute. This man is incredible! Thanks for the recommendation! @@Knowallwithmyphone
@Knowallwithmyphone do you have a link, my good sir/madam? I can't seem to find the podcast! 🙏
@@funktionalitee I only saw it as a video. This one.
I don’t remember the last time I heard a more articulate, well-spoken, intelligent, average guy with a sense of humor to boot. What an amazing story to have gone from his sketchy beginnings to where he is now. His paper on use of force in police and the fact that he stood by it, even with his background, shows a level of integrity that everyone should strive to reach. He was even told by others to NOT publish it because the results didn’t match the national narrative and he still stood by the truth. I have added a name to my list of “most respected men”.
Not an average guy. Far above average intellect and academically talented, but his easygoing nature is very refreshing.
We got the successor of Thomas Sowell 🙏🏽
Exactly what I was thinking. I hope he's for real. I look forward to hearing more about his work in the future.
That would be wonderful. The torch needs to be passed and it needs to be bright.
Those shoes are way to big to fill for anyone.
He's even better, because Sowell is more of an economic historian, while Roland is both qualitative and empirical.
Roland Fryer is a Marxist and on the opposite end of the spectrum of Thomas Sowell
This was one of the best conversations I’ve ever heard. No pretense. It was just honest dialogue.
this deserves MILLIONS of views. MULTIMILLIONS.
Brilliant.
Only on Tictoc, That will happen. Not sure about here
UA-cam would shut it down before it got to that point.
The masters can't allow people to hear truth.
Why?
Why NOT? @@amnesh
He was so right when he said people lose their minds when they dont like the result, the one thing I have realized about people, is that truth is secondary to people, to what people want to believe.
We all do it naturally. But it's the people who refuse to acknowledge it, when they know exactly what they are doing. Because at that point, they only care about being Right. Not seeking the truth. And those people are truly lost.
When he said that I immediately thought of the way liberals reacted when Trump was elected president.
@@michaelcantatore1680are you serious? Issen’t Trump that guy that untill today keeps claiming he won and convinced a part of your population of it while all the evidence proofs he lost. The perfect example is that fool staring at you when looking in the mirror.
Incredible conversation, so refreshing. Roland Fryer is a hot knife that cuts through the background noise that has unfortunately become prevalent in education, business, politics, and society.
This dude is a national treasure.
This conversation only strengthens the case in giving poor people a leg up. There must be hundreds of geniuses not recognised. The right wing will make sure there are less and less Roland Fryers.
Three cheers for your grandma. I’m a great grandma and I am privileged to be able to share my values and knowledge.this conversation is riveting!
All hail GiGi.
God bless you.
'i dont covet what those people covet.'
WORD Roland, WORD.
This goes beyond race and I think he’s sharing a warning.
Boom!
There needs to be a 4-horsemen talk: Fryer, McWhorter, Loury, Sowell.
Add Wilfred Reilly
Wheres elder? he's always mentioning this guy name
That’s a who’s who in academia!!!! All of those names could be on my Mount Rushmore of modern intellectuals
This conversation only strengthens the case in giving poor people a leg up. There must be hundreds of geniuses not recognised. The right wing will make sure there are less and less Roland Fryers.
@@geekylove3603While I agree on ensuring access to inexpensive tertiary education, I think you'll find the left is already ensuring there are less and less Roland Fryers.
What use is an academic that can't go against the prevailing (in this case distinctly left leaning) orthodoxy? It undermines the entire purpose of the profession.
If you want to help people, you tell them the truth. If you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.
Thomas Sowell 20:59
I could not admire Roland Fryer more. His dedication to the truth is humbling and exhilarating. My hero.
Roland Fryer is the best thing about humanity
As a 77 year old Grampa, who loves to watch long interviews, this one is special primarily because you, all three, are special. Of course, participant #3 is your Grandmother, although she was not able to express her rebuttal to the credit you bestow upon her. She fulfilled multiple family roles throughout your younger days, and well beyond, I am sure. We are seeing a resurgence of men, especially in the black (I want to use a different word that does not scream race,) community, men who are determined to make strong families, ones that are not trapped in a government system, as so many have been in the past. Hopefully, as you continue to invest your time in the community, you will find yourself amongst many who are working toward common goals. In today’s political environment, more and more of these men (yes, and ladies, as well), find themselves wearing red caps with that great phrase sewn above the cap bill. I hope I will be around to see some of the needed successes. Thanks for claiming my time to let me to be reminded how great Grandma’s actually are.
dont worry about the race thing sir. I think its beautiful to be proud of the resurgence of men who are committed to family... of all creeds, and to be proud that black men are at the forefront of that? As you should be sir! Especially because you seeing the effects of a strong role model, leads to success. As an irishman (we also value family and pride) i can tell...your coming from a wholly positive place. And i can respect that fully. You got a good heart sir! L&R!!🫶👍
Man, him talking about all his family being gone just broke me into pieces. I know you’ll never see this but I will share my family with you Roland! We have lots of get togethers and it’s a lot of love and laughter.
this is wholesome! Love that!👏👏✊
I wish I could meet Roland and chat with him for a night. When he talked about "how am I going to eat if I don't pass these exams" it resonated with me. Once upon a time, I was homeless. I dropped out of high school and I have spent the rest of my life working my way back. I understand that drive he's talking about. I have people in my life telling me that I have to stop working so hard. What I can't explain to those people, what I don't think you can understand unless you've truly been to rock bottom and clawed your way up, is that singular purpose, that drive that it instills in you. I will not go back to eating out of dumpsters. I can't. I will do whatever it takes to be financially comfortable, I will push myself until my body gives up and I collapse, because I. WILL. NOT. GO. BACK. I feel like Roland gets that.
Your drive is admirable and completely understandable. But pushing yourself until your “body gives up” is just trading one nightmare for another. Seek that middle ground where you are financially stable enough and safe enough that you can practice self-care. Where you are able to sit back and enjoy what you’ve worked so hard for. YOU ARE WORTH IT! YOU DESERVE THAT! Find a way to gradually let go of the fear (“I.WILL.NOT.GO.BACK.”) that drives you and has served you well. There will come a time when it no longer serves you but holds you back from fulling enjoying and embracing the life you’ve created. Don’t let it hold you back. I wish you the best ❤
Great interview with a remarkably brilliant person. Nothing is more lethal than a combination of raw intellect, courage, and truthfulness. Never met a share with whom we overlap so much in our beliefs, especially on Diversity and affirmative action.
I thoroughly enjoyed the conversation. Big fan of Fryer!!
I worry about colleges who think its their job to "change the world". Especially when they are so ideologly driven. As Gaad Sadd says academics also have an ability to make bad ideas look good.
just have to ask to Claudine Gay
I love this guy! What an inspiration to all of us! We need more men like Roland!!
We already have more. A lot more. You mean you want more black instead of white. Typical racist🙄😒
We already have more. A lot more. You mean you want less "white" and ot regard those like him who have your skin colour. Tell us you're a racist without telling us.
What are you talking about?! More like him as in more black less white? We already have so many more but you disregard them because they aren't the right colour for you. 🙄
We already have more. You seem to only want more of his skin colour.
@@CuC-eh5fp who said anything about color? It seems that you are projecting your own bias. I have a degree in economics and Roland is considered one of most brilliant economist of his time.
Roland Fryer is quite simply The Man!
Simple man or a man who's able to not only see the big picture, and also the small.
@@LanzyLou I guess you got all the answers then? You wanna share some of your great knowledge with us?
@@LanzyLou he has seen the bigger picture.
@@JamalSantos-ns9ks exactly
@@beesechurger929 what? Roland just gave the answers. Lol
Oh my gosh-my dream would be to just sit and drink coffee for four hours with Roland Fryer! He’s my favorite combination in a human: intellectually curious, fascinating life experience and very funny sense of humor. I love what his grandmother taught him about the janitors’ names because it is my same philosophy. There is so much to be learned from every person and the janitors at Harvard deserve the same dignity as the president of the university. I have always tried to tolerate imperious people but I really don’t understand their sense of snobbery at all.
ROLAND FRYER !!!
American treasure.
Claudine Gay tried to throw him under the bus.
He has the real solutions how to raise inner city kids grades to national competative levals .
Get's put on leave for bad jokes at work....fills the gap by doing stand-up comedy....priceless. What a great interview. Could definitely enjoy a campfire conversation with Roland.
I stopped and read "An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force" so that I could have a better understanding of the conversation. Your conclusions were based on a LOT of data. Excellent work and excellent discussion with Ms. Weiss.
Barri, I love you! Dr Fryer, forgive a non-elitist, did not finish college, middle class retired old man :) for not knowing who Roland Fryer was. But, because of Barri I am now an admirer and follower and thankyou for mentioning Geoff Canada. I consider him to be a "LIVING" American hero! To the students at UATX: Be mindful, and replay often, Dr Fryer's concluding comments. AND for giving an old man HOPE!!!!
Wow. This is an amazing interview. One of the best I have seen in a while. I wish more people could see this. Telling the truth is something I wish our politicians would utilize.
It's absolutely disgusting what the weasels in power did to this exceptional man. The weasels pretend to seek truth, but finding the "wrong" truth is not tolerated.
The pursuit of the turth can be a hard and lonely road. Roland, thank you for staying the course.
What a nice conversation! Weiss is great.
This is wildly outside of my usual watching material, but I saw a clip from this interview and needed to hear the rest of it because Dr. Fryer was delightful to listen to.
First thing I learned when I came to this country. Never forget where you came from. Know everyone's name. Whether you are the president or cleaning dishes, we are all the same. There is no such thing as a VIP . We are all important!
This man and John McWhorter are national treasures. We need to remember too there's a reason these black voices are being silenced.
Also Glenn loury
Tom Sowell
Coleman Hughes
Eh on that one, people just like him because he fits into a certain narrative @@dennisdorans1884
So powerful!! Oh how I wish we had more educators and leaders like this!!
First, I wish the very best for the University of Austin! To see TRUTH taught in higher education now is almost unheard of. Dr. Fryer reminds me of LtCol Allen West USA [ret]. Both of them some of the finest people who have walked the earth, regardless of skin color. Men like these make me believe there's still hope for the USA... Semper Fidelis! CWO4 USMCR [Ret] 17 Feb 1969 - 1 August 2004
What an orater! An easy listen yet very engaging. Good job to Barry as well. I hope more schools like this are formed!
I am truly glad to discover Roland Fryer in the prime of his life, I'm in my 70s. He is of the caliber of Thomas Sowell whom I discovered in recent years in Mr. Sowell's early 90s. I'm similarly glad to see the University of Austin host the interview.
Wow, amazing conversation! Great questions and Roland’s shares are so encouraging, admirable and eye opening! Thank you UATX, for sharing this, thank you Bari and Roland! Awesome !!
First time watching this and I really like this guy… he’s just got that thing… I wanna say presidential but you just feel like you’ve known him all your life! What a soul…
Wow proud of this school for bringing these amazing people to the stage.
I got chills multiple times during that interview. Unfathomably moving.
The "thing" your talking about is raw talent.
Part of it is the obsessive desire to achieve. We can see it in athletes, even when they're untrained. Glenn Loury said "When you're in the presence of greatness, you know it".
Part of it being able to stand back and look at the problem from a wider perspective. When people who have confirmation bias try to solve problems, they only build more track for the old train to keep going.
@@tango_uniform
Imagine all the "research" done by "Studies scholars" that would have to be rescinded.
I have two heroes in my life, other than Jesus: Billy Graham (America's pastor) and Roland Fryer (America's economist and Truth-teller. Thank God for both men. Thank you, Roland.
Fryer and Sowell should have a public talk or podcast session.
What a fascinating interview. In the present day it’s so difficult to find truth, everyone frames information in a way that supports themselves and their biases. Simply hearing Roland speak I can feel the sincerity in what he says and I have such a deep respect for it. This world needs more people like him.
This is what courage looks like. This is what it costs to pursue truth in today's world. Go Roland!
What an amazingly intriguing man. This interview is powerful for so many reasons.
I was going to go to sleep an hour and 15 minutes ago...... Im a bit pissed this man is so brilliant.
I had to listen to the end.
Thank you sir. 👍
I searched this video out because of Greg Gutfeld showing a clip of you on his show, so give him a round of applause. 👍
So appreciative of Mr. Fryer's perspective, discipline and commitment to the process of discovery.
1st TIME "MEETING" THIS MAN ; INSTANT RESPECT , ADMIRATION ...
A NEW ADDITION TO MY LIST OF HERO'S ; = THOMAS SOWELL ,
DORIS "DORIE" MILLER , LARRY ELDER , AND OTHERS
They should make a movie about him.
It'll definitely need independent distribution😏
@@lahaza6515no Denzel with plugs🥺
@@lahaza6515Not if Elon buys Disney!
Elon is posting Andy Ngo posts. He's not a big fan of black people.
This is truly inspiring on so many levels, doesn’t matter which field you’re working.
An academian who’s willing to publish the facts regardless of any preconceptions is a hero. This man could conceivably be the next Thomas Sowell. Hopefully he will find his way into politics. Regardless of which Party he might affiliate himself with, his past character convinces me that he’ll do his research on the topics and find a so,union based upon his truthful findings. He is EXACTLY what America needs.
Hes a far better economist compare to thomas sowell who is a cultural critic in practice, he didnt plubished that much when he was an academic, and he is more known for his books rather than his academic work
Sir, are things that bad that you always wish such people like him get into politics?
The same qualities that gets him to do what he does may be the same way that would deter him from getting into politics. Maximizing his value and contributions to society might simply be better as just a researcher
I have listened to Thomas so well to know he faced issues collecting data and publishing it in academic journals. His goal was to get his message out and journals are simply to restrictive to get that message out.
One of Thomas popular stories was working in a government agency and when he realized what data he could collect to solve labour wage problems or something to that effect he realized that his colleagues were not too excited about that.
No need to compare how big he is to Thomas,.they are both great people for our time
Thomas Sowell also figured out early that the media had a narrative and he they would always try to twist his words the fore he stopped a lot of media interviews. He once said a lot of the things he has to say and advice he has to give are in his books.
If not for UA-cam, you probably would not hear much about this man
This conversation only strengthens the case in giving poor people a leg up. There must be hundreds of geniuses not recognised. The right wing will make sure there are less and less Roland Fryers.
Protect this man at all costs.
😂😂😂😂 most rediculous over-the-top comment ever. Do you see him as "God" ? This comment makes you sound crazy 🤪😂
Wow, a university that is not afraid to invite people who don’t follow the main stream narrative? You just earned a subscriber!
Mr. Fryer...
You are amazing. Thank you for finding something to stand for and then doing it. We can't solve any problems if we don't know what the actual problem is. Sometimes that means finding out what it isn't. It's hard for people to have their beliefs challenged. That's how we grow. Facts are a foundation we should all share. Thank you for pushing for civil discourse. It's wildly important and I miss it. You have my gratitude and utmost respect.
❤
I’ve heard a number of Roland Fryer interviews on similar topics and this was the best. Bari and the student questions dug deeper and brought out so much.
This gave me goosebumps! The integrity of Roland Fryer is such an inspiration to young and old, regardless of color.
Honor.
I’d like to see him have a conversation with Thomas Sowell.
I'm a huge fan of Prof Fryer. I studied Economics until I was 18, to a pretty basic level by comparison, but nothing like this. I respect anyone who keeps trying despite adversity. He's also right in his analyses.
Amen!! I lost my son to gun violence in 2020- the summer of the racial reckoning. After George Floyd violent protests erupted. This is so personal for me. My white 24 yr old son was shot and killed at 5am eating his breakfast at McDonalds on his way to work. He was targeted, shot and killed for no reason- no robbery, no angry words exchanged. He was executed by an angry black man born into a gang. I have spent 3 years with mothers grieving murdered children. No one is willing to talk about the problems black men are facing. The fact they have lost hope.
They need you. I need you.
I have to admit, Dr. Fryer has changed the way I think so much and it's helping me raise my kids with the right mindset.
I can identify with this speaker❤ Thank you for sharing your truth!
Thank you Sir for your perseverance and integrity.
LOVE THIS CONVERSATION ,THANKS SO MUCH.
Bari, you certainly love this man; yours eyes are shining when you look at him. After viewing this conversation I know why. I love this man too for his straggle, his attitude, his kindness, his wit, his courage and his empathy. This is true leader, moral compas for our independent elite, antithesis to bureaucracy.
Thank God there are still people with integrity in this world. Never hide the truth especially when you have the ability to speak it.
resilience in action; amazing to see the higher ed struggle pay off for Roland, however he defines success
Fantastic conversation. I’m so thankful to see someone doing research who cares about finding the truth! Roland is doing a great service to us all with this work.
Just found out about him today. Great person 👌🏾
"I dont want to spend a semester on a task force working out a new name for black people.... do you know what's offensive? Being unemployed." This guy is amazing.
Love Glenn loury -he’s always had Roland’s back like a proud father
This has been an excellent interview!
Great job Barri! I wish we had journalst more like you.
Kudos my brother! You're another example of independent thought.
I like the witty side of you and I can't understand why someone would be offended.
Really positive analogy with the blue sky in the final minutes!
This man is a HERO, he realized all the lies we are being fed with.
He had a choice, tell the truth or keep the lie going and corrupt his own soul, knowing everyone are deceived.
To solve the problem, you need to face it first.
Of course you gonna get shot if you deal with criminals, sell drugs and what not.
That person who died of overdose next to him? who sold him the drugs? exactly.
Its in the black population best interest to actually SOLVE crime and get rid of it, not to weaken the police and endorse it.
And to top it all, there is no such a thing as race, we are all HUMAN BEINGS and we better face it already, stop with this racism BS.
Either you are a GOOD person or a BAD person. - That's it, nothing else to it.
Roland Fryer chose to be a good person.
I'm an ABSOLUTLY new fan of Professor Roland Fryer - he's so funny, in addition to being intelligent, courageous, and informative. Billiant - Thank you!!! 🌷
First time hearing RF,…engaging and direct! He reminds of Sowell!
Fascinating, a very illuminating guy. Cheerful, curious, admirable.
I’ve heard of Roland Fryer and his story. This is the first time I’ve heard him speak. Brilliant. Truthful. Left me hopeful.
What an inspirational interview!
This man is one of, if not the most respectable and (for me) influential people I have ever listened to. I am 70 years old. I value the truth.
Interesting how astonished we are when we hear two people have a serious discussion without feeling like their have to propagandize.
should tell you the state of the world at this time
Wow what a speaker, really enjoyed that. I believe he cares, the students should take the opportunity to talk to him.
I often said that it would have been a great opportunity for me to have been able to have gone to a class with Prof. Swell and or Prof. Williams. I always felt that it’s better to get an education from someone who felt in their soul what they were teaching and not someone there for Tenure.
Great discussion
It was refreshing to hear this man speak. I’m going to be 49 yrs old in a few months and I just realized a few years ago we grew up poor. I started piecing together all of our “vacations” fishing and hunting were to get food for our family. I grew up in the rural South, so still different than an inner city.
I absolutely agree. An important component of the education system should be to identify and cultivate intellectual talent. Those students once identified need to be provided with every opportunity to develop their potential. This identification process needs to continue throughout school. It has never been a focus or objective of the system or the schools, and often individual teachers were the only way a student might be mentored into success. The whole system needs overhauling to focus on what each individual child needs to reach their maximum potential without barriers such as finances.
He made the conversation so very interesting. Wow his integrity and pursuit of truth is amazing.
Such a great and brave man! Thank you for your integrity sir!
I'm a graduating medical student and a teen mom from a poor background. Words cannot describe how much Ronald's statements about not feeling like he fit in, or "belonged" in the upper echelons of higher education. It took me 2 years to start being authentic with my colleagues due to the fear of being found out as an outsider. In the end, I've learned my different experience & perspective is a super power. I don't care about power dynamics either. Nor right-speak. Nor virtue signaling. I see my colleagues akwardly struggle to interact with patients. And because of my "normie" background, I actually connect with my patients naturally & they respect me for it.
Good to see Bari Weiss step out of the media bubble she lived in for so many years. I think the Joe Rogan guest appearance had a huge effect on her. That was an absolute shellacking in the nicest way possible. Roland Fryer is a beast. Few people have the balls to stand up in this world.
For that last question being asked i think a decent awnser would be, you dont need to go trough suffering and tragedy to be great, but you do need to overcome suffering and tragedy if you want to be greatest you can be.
I love Roland's fearlessness. I also love the way Roland makes Bari laugh.
The best conversation I've heard in a long while. I hate to use this word, but it validates what I've been saying since high school (1980s). The difference between white people and black people is cultural.
Roland is such a brilliant man and one of the most inspiring individuals of this lifetime.
Great charisma. Good to have someone like him on the side of truth
Brilliant Discussion - Loved the passion and truth and openness
I dont understand how people have so little respect for what the police do. Its hard to imagine even doing something as simple as a traffic stop. So imagine when people fight back and resist arrest, and trying to capture criminals, just an incredibly thankless job for all the stuff they do.
Roland Fryer single handedly restored my faith in our education.
I really respect that he went back partially to show he could! When I was in Highschool one of my favorite teachers was accused of misconduct with a student. Every student in the highschool knew that student was obsessed with a stalker like obsession with him and basically when he refused her advances she accused him of misconduct. He resigned after the school board said he had to resign or take it to court. He resigned because he didn’t want to put his wife and kids through a public trial. But…my dad said if he was innocent he should have fought tooth and nail to justify that for integrity sake. He was later exonerated, the girl was institutionalized after doing it to someone else and he, thankfully is back teaching because he was a great teacher but, props to you for coming back to that environment just to prove you maintained your integrity