$16k in 12 days with a CNC Plasma Table. 6 Signs and a Table
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Whew, I was so worn out from this build it took me 3 months to edit the video. Join me as I run through how I was able to tackle such a rush of work on the CNC Plasma Cutter in my small welding shop with the help of a few good tools and Tommy at my right hand.
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Re cut that sign with a new sheet? After just saying you don't like to waste material? I could of fixed those mistakes so easy
Good for you. Do it where it won't show up after powder coating in less time than the sheet is worth and I'll hire you
@@42Fab
First off, everyone is human and we all make mistakes, and we all can learn something new or better every day.
Anyways, it looks like you were working with a 4x8 foot plate of 12ga. I found some sources that put the price of it at an average price of US$90.00, and weighting in at 140 pounds.
So, $90 plus tax and shipping, and then minus the scrape value of the plate ($1.40), puts the true value of it at around $100. Correct me if I am wrong.
I would say a regular skilled fabractor/welder/laboror probably gets around $20 to $22/hr.
If it was me, I would of grabbed some silicon bronze tig rods and filled up those zip cut marks. (use the bronze to keep the warping out of the picture.) melting point of bronze = 1900f and steel = 2700f.
From there I'd hit it with a flap disc like you showed us later in the video, but would probably use 120 to 180 grit to knock the high spots down.
Then I would hit it with a courser 80 grit on a DA sander then 120 grit then 180. After that, the primer powder coat and UV stable powder top coat would completely take care of the rest. All that in around 0.5hr to 0.75hr, or $11 to $16.5 for labor and maby $6 worth of tig rod and sanding supplies. Plus, it was said, taking a quick 20 minutes to make or do something is no big deal, coupled with $10 worth of tubing.
And I know what your thinking, the guy who is fixing that 12ga plate, could be running the cnc plasma machine, cutting different steel for a different project, making the company way more profit, then having him brazing and sanding the old plate, but, how can he do that, when he, or someone else is using that machine to cut out a totally new sign out? (this is assuming the plasma cutter is always booked up, cutting away)
Also, you should consider, if you cut out a completely new sign out of a new 12ga plate, you will be taking time away from other, highly profitable jobs, that you could be running with the plasma cutter (the reason someone buys or builds a cnc plasma cutting machine in the first place).
So, if you were to re-work that old sign, you could save around $77.5, plus save space in the scrap bin, and possibly saved power costs of running the plasma program twice (running the machine costs more than running a small tig welder, grinder, and DA sander for that short amount of time). Not to mention, keeping the plasma cutter open for the next profitable job.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Have a great day.
@@jakefriesenjake your numbers on material are fine, except I get free delivery. I'd love if my table was always running but that isn't the case. Also, the electricity used to make that cut is negligible.
Where you're off is labor rate. I am the skilled welder on my shop, my rate is $100 an hour. Getting a machine out, cleaning metal, the work, cleaning up, etc would easily take an hour.
AND all that ignores the fact that a high quality (and priced accordingly) product like mine should not have repairs in it before it ever goes out the door. The issue isn't even really price, it's pride in your work.
We all decide what we stand for, I chose quality. I'm amazed at how many people are arguing with me that making a higher quality (non repaired) product is somehow a bad thing. It's sad really. But hey, maybe that's why you're quoting a labor rate that's 1/4 of mine...
@@42Fab
Obviously, the boss or manager with high credentials shouldn't have to do the fixing when he could be doing something like running the cnc, where someone else isn't qualified to run it.
I know your personal labor rate is more, and that you also have workers working under you at around the $20 per hour mark. They can't all be making $100/hr? But if they are, and your plasma table is not always in use, then I guess you could just throw that sucker in the trash and start over. I don't know what the whole job was quoted at, so maybe it really would be better to toss it. At the same time, at 5 feet you wouldn't of seen the marks with no work put into the fix, I would bet, without even tig welding it, I could of feathered it out in even less time (15 minutes) and by the time it got back from the powder coaters, it would not be noticeable at 1 foot.
Fixes are always acceptable, especially if you do them right the first time. Besides, you said, if it was coated with regular primer and paint, you would of filled it up nice, and feathered it out with bondo? So what is it? Even high end cars get a swipe of bondo here and there. If the sign wasn't to be sent out for a professional powder job, would it of been ok to bondo the sign up and give it a spray job?
At the end of the day, it is just a sign, meant to be viewed at least 30 foot away.
The sign turned out looking great. Thanks for the quick response.
Alright man, we're done here as you've obviously planted your flag and don't care what the ACTUAL reasons were. I'll give a final reply then delete this whole thread if you want to keep it going.
I'll repeat that my products are of the highest quality my shop can output. A painted sign isn't that, which is why it would allow for repairs if the customer acknowledged they were budget-restricted and we happened to be slow that week (infact, we bondo'd then painted the "mistake" sign and are using it as a display piece alongside the positive cutouts that were shown). The difference between you and I is that you're okay with something "being good enough from 30 feet" or even 5 or 1. I am not. My business is built on high quality products (not "just a sign"), delivered quickly. "Good, Fast, Cheap, pick two" my customers are not coming to me to pick anything but the first two. The fact you think that the cuts wouldn't be visible at 5 feet demonstrates either a lack of visual acuity or abundant inexperience as even so much as a reverse-side weld scar is visible in powder from 20+ feet.
But hey, you've planted your flag, let's see if you've got the balls to back it up. As I said, we have the sign, and I'd be happy to strip the bondo and paint back off it. I'll publicly wager $1,000 you can't have the repair done and unnoticeable from 1' (post powder coating) within 15 minutes. I'll even make a video about it and post it win or lose. Your obviously impending winnings should more than cover your trip to Oklahoma.
I prefer large bills.
Mad respect for you recutting that sign. I'd do the same thing... few would. Way to produce a quality product.
StrongLike Bull thats a 30 dollar sheet. For a 3k job why not
$90 at the time. Point still stands
Besides the fact your work looks badass, sleeping at the shop just to hustle a little harder just got you another subscriber... Keep it up man.
Man, I do it enough I bought the air mattress
@@42Fab hey ... Hustle like that long enough and you'll be chillin at the lake while someone else is sleeping at the shop making you money... Lol
Same. Subscribed.
Nice work.
It seems like you built $25,000.00 worth of signs, conservatively.
Also subscribed.
Use bit of that 16K and buy a few pairs of gloves... otherwise nice work!
Seriously! Does he not own a pair?
Sometimes it hard to work on stuff like this with gloves. They just get in the way
But if you’re watching this channel then you probably already know this😌
@@htraygo Gloves never get in the way lol. If they get in the way so does your flesh. Even Astronauts wear them. Don't kid yourself and get the right pair for the job. ALWAYS.
@@kontoname you have better control w/o gloves
thanks for sharing that big 'face plant' RESPECT!!! we all know it.. haste makes waste :D subbed!
Pro here recutting sign because he takes pride in his work. Thats how it should be done, Subscribed.
Nice work. I’m with the guy down below. Subbed. I’ve slept in the back of cars and woke up to keep going. Your a beast. Not many people left like us willing to work for there money
I'm glad I saw the "Dudes" go up, for a second I thought you were just a "Diva". Lol...
Don't you get sassy with me
Lol I’m a noob but when I saw you welding the first sign I knew something was wrong
Haha I thought the same
5:48 Tell your intern to wear a beanie! Caps are for summer.(oh and long Johns would make it soooo much tolerable) . Another sub, thanks
6:05 Tetanus is not inherent in rust or metal... it is in dirt when a certain bacteria is present. the "stepping on a rusty nail will give you lock jaw (tetanus)" thesis is because a rusty nail is usually in a yard and covered in dirt., the nail forces the bacteria and dirt into the wound. has nothing to do with rust or metal as you can see from the fact your metal isn't rusty. besides, rusted metal (iron oxide) is how our blood transmits oxygen to our cells so the thought that rust in a cut could cause tetanus is just laughable at best...
I envy you, seeing how you enjoy your work that much
Well, now I want to get a CNC Plasma cutter.. I don't think my wife will be happy!
Thank you UA-cam Recommendations!
This was awesome! I really appreciate the time and effort that you put into your videos, Sir! This was very helpful, and I'm almost a one-man show, in New Bern, NC. My work is a bit different, but hey, fab processes are the same, right? Anyway, I've subscribed, and I will be heading over to your Patreon site, as well. For what I am learning from you, I will gladly support. Thanks again!
We build similar plasma tables in South Africa (CNC Clearcut) and do some signage as well as other random jobs on the side. im really impressed by the quality of your workmanship. This gave me a ton of tips in signage. Big ups!
I was always curious on how these signs were made. Interesting
GLOVESSSS MAN, 4 u and your crew! Consider getting a bender, u´ll save a lot of time instead of welding. I´ve been doing signs for ten years in argentina, mainly oil and bank companies :D
Incredible work. I’m watching this as I stay up to finish a 3d printing order that has over 36 hours of printing going into it.
Thanks for the laugh. i noticed your mistake before you mentioned it. Was thinking why would he be welding on the front of the sign? then you mentioned it. Thanks for not editing it out. Everyone makes mistakes. They say you lose a lot of focus when multitasking. lol. Been there. Done that!!
Masterly done Richard. You and Tommy, (your right hand) make the work swirl and will never end. Keep the spirit !!
Nice channel, I just randomly came across it. Will be watching...
That barber shop sign looks insane!
I'm learning so much, and you're teaching it to me. Thanks.
-Isaac, welding student
Thanks
Less waste more profit.
how much did your plasma table cost
“There’s the intern.” 😂😂
Get that kid a thermal layer and a decent winter coat... good lord.
Editing takes so long, Especially while working so hard. Your work is beautiful. Much respect from Scotland.
Damn dude, a proprietor with integrity! Awesome!
This was awesome Richard! Not surprised you're that busy, considering the work you do! Looks great! Subbed!
I worked in wheel factory, (im talking huge 60-70 inch wheels for forest and mine trucks) and before powder painting sometime we repaired center discs with car epoxy kits. Once painted, you cannot see any grinding or punching marks, and all that lasts for years, never got any reclamation
Awesome stuff keep up the good work 👍👍
Awesome video man. Your videos, work, and business really inspire me to get my business heading in the same direction!
local okc machinist here. just found your channel. awesome work man. subbed!
Keep it 405
Brilliant work something I’m getting into when my cnc is built
Just found your channel. Good stuff :)
I guess I said the same to you at skiatook. Thanks for watching!
@@42Fab I thought this was you but wasn't for sure. 👊
Your videos are amazing. Excellent voice over and amazing build quality. No idea why you only have 18K subscribers, but I really believe you deserve much more. Keep up the great work. If you build it, they will come. God Bless you.
I think his channel is about to blow up!
Man I wish I could talk with you in person. I started a business in February of this year, as a general contractor for repair, construction etc and it’s going great and I want to expand or build a second small business doing things like this in my garage with a crossfire machine (so small stuff) I already do small fab, heavyhydropnw on Instagram is my very new business page. Anyways you have motivated me even more to pull the trigger and put my ideas into motion. And so happy for you, your work is excellent and if you were in my state I know of work for you.
Smh when i first looked at this video and clicked it, i thought it was gonna be 12 days stuck at a plasma donation center, kind of a bummer it’s something that actually makes sense
As a new Aussie builder I'm enjoying your channel. Only one thing, you guys need to Google Silicosis. You all do a lot of cutting and grinding and should be using respirators. Silicosis is the next Asbestosis. Nasty stuff. Cheers. Andy.
very nice work. as an aside, suggest you lads wear some gloves, particularly when welding to prevent against UV burn.
What kind of barber shop that can pay 12k for a a sign!🤔
They were just one of the projects we did.
wow great video, this was inspirational, I already have a small scale fab shop and have wanted to get more into sign making, even your editing was really well done!
Just came across your channel. Love your work. I’ve always wanted a CNc plasma.
Curious what would you charge for a sign like the TM sign u made for the sign swap. I thought it was pretty slick!!
Flat sign with some lighting like that is about $250 if you had your art files
The work was great, the video editing and quality was great. I’m subbed.
@UCX8BDfhQ9AapgXAxklX_LPg - I agree with your decision to re-cut, plus you get "Quality Cred" with customers, and that pays the bills in the long run. Be proud of your decision regardless the cost.
Hard boiled eggs are my go to when I am running short on time, can be full for a few hours and they go down real easy with water. No stomach ache from eating real fast either
Add some mayo and you're gold
I thought this was about donating blood. Plasma..lol
Me too lol
I love how popular your channel is getting. I like seeing you post in the plasma groups on facebook too. Awesome material, going to check out the patreon.
Thanks!
Cool, good idea on the stencils. Keeps your lettering equal spacing.😀👍. Good job.
Great work! Your shop looks like a workplace, it's clean enough. If you allow me to nitpick, you could think about a way to improve your allready 95% good looking signs. 16:57 The "barber and style shop" letters are much smaller then the big visual "underline" connecting them. More work, but maybe connect them with standoffs like you did the big letters ? And paint the connecting bars the same color as the wall it goes on can blend them away ? But don't forget the good work is allready there. I'm the nitpick guy lol. I feel like you're going to be verry busy in the future. Stay safe an have a nice day!
Cool video! Man, some people aren’t happy unless they are dragging others thru the mud. So what if nobody sees your mistake. You knew it was there so you fixed its. Keep doing you thing, bro. Ignore these naysayers and keep gettin’ at it. Hard-work and craftsmanship are qualities missing today. Nice to see someone with those traits.
Awesome work!! One tip for future you =) use a respirator mask... The dust from grinding isnt the greatest. Live long and prosper =)
Make CALTROPS with the small scrap. Bowtie, Twist, Sharpen. Then sell to the doomsday preppers, or to stop trespassers.
Your voice sounds like Richard Dreyfuss in Jaws
This was a really fun video to watch! Great job all round!
If anyone’s reading this definitely check out Scott turners channel, huge talent.
@@adamw225 very kind, thankyou Adam!
Great work as always. On the Wilshire Point sign, you use the inside of the letters for a shop display. Do you have entry arcs on those letters? I have to arc into the metal or else there is a gouge at my pierce point. I would love to figure out how to avoid having the scrap the inside of the cut. Also, the Stencil in general is great, that will definitely help me in the future.
I run a .2" cut in, so if it's noticeable I just tack it closed
one word: gloves
Might be worth you talking to this guy as I'm sure it will help with your efficiency (if you already don't have something like this). ua-cam.com/video/c3LhK2SAusk/v-deo.html&app=desktop
If you're gonna be doing videos like this and having people work for you, You should really consider more PPE many of these shots you have no gloves on no face shield for Grinding or using Cutoff Wheels just takes one person getting hurt man
Thank you shearing video. What tipe & colar of silicon do you. Use for singh led light?
Mountain on wall what tipe of concreate screws & specification do you usually use please let us know sir thanks
The man-hour in a machine shop is like 100 bucks...(Salaries, tools, electricity, insurances etc) Who will go home hungry?
🤦🏽
I enjoy your vids. Had to chuckle to myself that the helper reminds me of Uncle Si from Duck Dynasty.
Hello sir how to design number sign in cnc plasma . I have design number sign but di not cut. The file have show empty.
Man I love your profession, I use to build molds using a CNC, never worked with plasma cutter but it's way more effective for this.
Did you study metal sheet working & Welding?
entirely self taught
I want to get a cnc plasma table as well could you comment what requirements are needed for a getting started table... compressor plasma etc please and thank you :)
I'm looking at a small plasma table.i didn't know if they were profitable or not. I like your weld up kits thats a good idea.
sick work dude! subbed
"Subscribe if you feel like it" is probably the best way to get subs honestly.. like being so chill abt it just made me a sub
For a sign like the first one, in my country (Romania) nobody pay more then 1000$ .
Use a leaf blower to air up an air mattress. Usually less than 1 minute for a double high queen mattress.
This was on my recommended this was interesting I’ve subbed
Great video 42fab
Cha ching. Get the robots working!
Amen
who in their right mind would pay 16 grands on a front sign. I'd just make it from plywood and cover with a hard resin.
That was the total amount of money he earned for ALL the stuff his company did within that 12 day period I think!
...And it would last a year
I was honestly surprised that he did all those signs for only 16k! Very reasonably priced! He doesn't let it go out unless it's perfect because he takes pride in his work and reputation. He could easily charge more...
All about where you are in the world. 16k is a lot in a state with a median income in the low $40ks
Great video! Thanks for sharing your process
Laying here kinda half paying attention to the video, then I look up, "Shouldn't... that sign be upside down for that part?"
I thought the same too
Same thing went thru my mind too
What type of magnets where you using to lift up the W off the plasma table ?
Strong hand switchable 90 degree
I respect this guys hustle
Dude, that’s some ass-kicking work. Wow! No wonder you looked a little tired in Atlanta.
I needed that "vacation" so bad
you made a fuck of that job, didn't you, welded on the front and had to recut it.
you can get a 5x10 table made by TruePlasma reasonable
haha i noticed you were welding the wrong side just before you said it
Curious where do you market your work? I’d like to buy/build a smaller CNC plasma table and I would like to offset the cost a bit
At this point it's basically all word of mouth
What the CFM of your plasma machine?
don't get your hopes up, folks, i work in a sheet metal factory, we do laser cutting, bending and welding, high profit easy jobs are VERY rare, we built a production line for a plastic stock factory, we used a 120 ton press brake, a laser cutter, a LOT of welding, both MIG and TIG, we used a press drill, and last but not least a band saw to cut profiles, and we used a forklift to move all that and reorient the heavy parts (which is most of them) ... it took us 2 months (not including my time preparing the workflow and job order, or technical drawings and parsing the machines and structures for cutting, bending, welding and finishing), all that came to $16K in profit. not bad for 2 months but it's not a pot of gold.
Huh, I just, by myself, like this week, did 4 signs, in 4 days, and installed them. $18k gross, 13.5 net. Sounds like your biddibg department sucks.
Lol powder coat. Powder covers litterally everything. I’ve done 10X worst on billet parts getting clear zinc coated. Talk about showing everything. Came out almost perfect..
Half of being a fabricator is knowing how to fix a problem. Not give up and restart.
And all of running a business is knowing how to deliver a product that keeps customers recommending you
16k - (all the overhead of your business + the years of building relationships, plus marketing, minus the cost of the raw materials, less tax and about a hundred other fixed and variable costs). How about your time, or one of your employees time? Getting trained up on the equipment and proficient? How about insurance, you figuring in your BOP and Workers Comp and all that into this figure?
If you're going to throw out numbers lets talk income statement, not statement of cash flows. All those other figures come into play if someone if going to buy this equipment to offer this product commercially.
* Edit: clarity
We do all that on Patreon in each Bid Breakdown
Nice job on the barber shop sign. looks sharp!
16 thousand in 12 days does not seem like enough you're making less than $1,500 a day. Seems like you work about 12 hours a day and you're worth about $40 an hour that's $500 a day and your other employee is probably around $300 a day that leaves you $500 to $700 for material consumables and profit which is not nearly enough I was trying to make each employee pulling their wages in profit every single day now most days that's a pipe dream but if that's your goal and then tell you charge based on that you have a better chance of getting it there
We did very well on these projects. Could have charged more, but happy nonetheless
I’m in the OKC area!
I'm from okc. I'm about to purchase a boss table for my new shop. I've been doing some research and its got me questioning my decision. From what I read there's not much work for a plasma table. I have 15 years experience welding and running welding shops. What are your thoughts about it.
If you aren't going to run it 10-15 hours a week, it's probably better to save the floorspace and hire the work out. If you're going to run it a lot, then go for it. Trying to get into the art market is a waste of time. too many people sitting in their garage after work trying to make a hobby pay for itself. If you're still looking at tables, give me a shout at sales@42fab.com
I have a 24 inch CNC plasma cutter. I work in a small fab shop and work off my employer's scrap. I make a lot of dog silhouettes. A friend of mine sells them at a local market in the summer. I have a small house and my shop is in the basement. I love your work. I bought my equipment in hopes of learning it now and using it to make some money when I retire. The last five years has been a lot of learning. Right now I am trying to learn my powder paint gun. I bought a small custom oven. My employer bought a fast laser, 1200 inches per minute, and crops everything very tight. So my scrap supply is low. Thanks for the video and keep up the good work.
WED-A-SAURUS Racine, WI
How can make money when I turn 18 were can I work
Just watch this video. Im looking to get started in this type of metal work/Fabrication looking for any advice on the tools and equipment you would recomend as Need vs Want/
Need:
A few grinders
Clamps, Magnets
Welder
Maybe CNC Plasma
Want:
Everything else, buy them as your need arises. Set money aside to be able to do so without guilt.
Awesome work! Thanks for posting up the video, very interesting, and super high-quality work! Heck, I would show any customer that shop and sleep there myself, you take great pride in your work it shows. Added to my favorites!
those grinder marks would literally have taken 5 minutes to fix. I'm a welder in a fabrication shop and everything we work on gets powder coated. Tack over those spots with the mig and grind it flat with a 60 grit flap disk then hit it with a brown scotchbrite pad on a grinder and gone. wont show up after powder coat.
To each their own, I disagree, and its me putting my name on it, so I win
Despite many blv it could have been fixed I agree with redoing the sign. Quality makes a happy client especially when they pay for quality. We should have pride in doing the best. Thanks for sharing man. awesome work
Good and awesome job but try apply some safety measures.gloves...and which nozzle and electrodes types do you use, and what criteria do you use to avoid slant cut ans slag formation pls,,other wise bravo daddy
Hi. What kind of CNC plasma are you using? and your software? Many thanks and more projects.
It's shop modified from a defunct company
How did it feel to have slain the white walker?