Tᗷᕼ- quantic dream missed out on an opportunity to make North such a likeable character; she couldve been that badass chic that lived in harsh conditions, and they couldve given her a deeper character development with a better way of explaining why she was so secretive. she couldve been afraid to love because she couldve been afraid to be used and thrown away like a tool- SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES WASTED North, josh and simon were the founding members of Jericho. Quantic Dream couldve given them a traumatic event that brought them together, and i wish they touched on that. markus is the one who could enlighten her that violence isnt always the answer. markus couldve been the one to teach north how to _love_ again... heck, i wish quantic dream gave north and markus an opportunity to flirt and joke around once in a while to build up their bond with the player's perspective in the stratford tower mission, when north snuck in with markus, they had a BRO FIST. I want in on that! i wanna see them planning together with simon and josh with occasional inside jokes here and there... i want the player to feel bonded with the jericho trio in markus' shoes *_tᕼiᔕ gᗩᗰe iᔕ ᗪᖇiᐯiᑎg ᗰe ᑎᑌtᔕ_*
Cheng Teoh haha thanks! i love how quantic dream has not dismissed the idea of a dbh sequel (theres an article online about it) and i really wish characters like simon, chloe and/or kamski could be playable characters BECAUSE they can finally fill in so manh plotholes cuz i wouldnt mind playing a game thag would last longer than 10 hours per gameplay. also; life is strange 2 is coming soon and it has a seperate storyline than the first game. rumor has it that altho different context, both games would come "full circle", meaning questions and answers can be reconciled :))) so if detroit ever does have a sequel, i hope they dive deeper in the eyes of chloe rt600; the original android that most likely knows _everything_ can u imagine? kamski probably sends chloe to special missions when he was out of cyberlife. kamski probably tells chloe of his plans and stuff and oh my god chloe needs more love tbh
weed sheep It would have been ok if it didn't progress so quickly. Its so rushed without it been properly fleshed out which is a real shame in my opinion.
No Shit I hated North from the Begingin( how do you spell it again ?😅) because she always really all the time she was Whinnig about me beeing pacifiest.I always wanted to kill her but i stopped because i didn't wanted to get hated from Jericho. But i should habe dome it
@@hello7103 And like a loyal friend, North still followed Markus in all his pacifist decisions. I really don´t get it wy everybody hates here. How can she like humans with her past? And like I said. She follows Markus even in the pacifist way. I liked her charakter.
@@shcuf95 She eventually changes if Markus keeps on going on the path of peace showing that she can change her negatives for the love of her life and start a new one with him by giving up on bad habits, not at all forced imo I love it. Just my opinion, yours can differ no prob in that.
@Username: 666 I think it would probably make more sense cuz Markus and Simon are more compatiable both of them are Domestic Assistant Androids also I kinda wonder if North would be more compatiable being in a romance with another North like those two Traci's🤔
North: I don't want to talk about it Markus: Okay, then we want *relationship goes down* Wow, women really don't know what they want. please note that I am a woman and that I'm not trying to be sexist.
The particular conversation where Markus agreed to leave things alone and not talk about it causing North to just leave like that came as a surprise. Is that how you'd react?
@@ChengTeoh If I were her, yes. It's psychological. Emotional code in dialogue. "I don't want to talk about it" is a test. If he realizes, "okay, but you NEED to talk about it even though it hurts to," then she knows he sees past her tough guy bullshit to her real feelings and takes them seriously. Someone who cares more about avoiding awkwardness than helping a hurting person will take the easy out. Not her style to like you when you give up without a fight. That's what she feels Markus is doing when he says, "okay, we won't." If instead he has been observing that she's been suffering by holding it all in, then she knows he isn't going to be careless with her heart.
The crazy thing about that is that North can still be your lover, even though you never followed her advice when she suggested violent actions. Unless you fail a bunch of missions, the lowest relationship status you can get is Indifferent, and you will be friends by the end of the game if you continue to do well on your missions.
@@Lian1286 you sure indifferent is the lowest? i've managed to get her and everybody else on jericho RESENTFUL towards me. there were some playthrough where i was intentionally making people hate me to explore other story path. but on this playthrough it was an accident, a misclick on choice that got me the shittiest treatment and opinion, just one click 😂🤣
@Shadoww Nemesis01 forced in a sense of "we need a romantic relationship. let's get those two together quickly, we need to focus on 3 characters, we can't spend much time thinking about the relationship story"
@@chantalriviera3458 ...you realise the relationship is optional right? Depending on your actions you can even make them hate each other. It isn't "forced" if you're literally given a choice lmao
Old thread but, I think the reason why they became Lovers so quick is because they did Connect to each other: showing every bit of memory and gained what is probably a "perfect" understanding of each other. North saw what love is through Markus's memories (father-son relationship with Carl) while Markus saw who she really was and what motivates her to act the way she was. (You can see Markus feels awkward after Connecting and seeing memories about Eden Club)
IDK there must be a plot hole or something that caused more holes why did North say Carl left Markus for dead?🤔I don't think he did he told Markus to get out of there if he doesn't die but we didn't see the flashback😕it is kinda rushed😂
@Shadoww Nemesis01 Most people who end up in a romance with North just wanted to be friendly. I was curious about her past and got locked into being lovers with her. It was accidental, and even if you do everything to make her hate you afterwards, she doesn't.
This is exactly why I don't ship Markus and North. Think about it; if North was the leader- this is EXACTLY how she would have handled things. Markus is too sweet (for the natural route - and how Carl raised him) to be doing these types of things as canon. He desires to live peacefully and North is just a toxin to that dream. She's wayyy too violent. She's batshit crazy actually. It scares me to know that this is what it would have looked like if she was in charge. She just wants to kill the humans. Thankfully you can only go down this route if you CHOOSE the violent route.
I'm wondering how many people went violent to please her............ I mean I went violent but not because of her ramblings of "violence is the only answer" mahogany
I am so happy you included everything that can happen in the game concerning Markus's violent actions and how he is filled with self loathing. I hate that the narrative could be deeper and it feels still superficial.
Nah, you're not alone. They have more chemistry than North and Markus do. Like if you go violent, if Markus gets damaged, if you are with North, she gives you a choice, whether or not you take her heart. If you aren't with North, but Simon is your friend, he just gives you his heart, without a choice. That really shows how much he cares ;-; Also, if Simon gets left behind in the Stratford tower mission, if Connor doesn't find him, he comes back to Jericho and he and Markus share a big, comfy hug. :') (PS: Just watch that scene, and look at how comfy Simon is)
NoName ༄ ; Can we talk about how Simon just rips his heart out and put it inside Markus?? As opposed to Markus/North scene where Markus is the one who takes out North's heart from her, Simon just does it himself, because this decision is his and his alone. Markus has no say in it. Can you imagine pulling out your beloved's vital organ for your own gain? The guilt would kill me.
Wish choosing to side with North, Josh, or Simon could lead to three very different outcomes regardless of romance (but can still romance them if you choose to.)
I think it's kind of funny that I actually managed to connect with North on my first playthrough North May wanna be violence but she's very sensitive about her past and is thankful when you try to make her comfortable talking about it
Exactly. I love Simon and how supportive he is. Most people who end up in a romance with North just wanted to be friendly. I was curious about her past and got locked into being lovers with her. It was accidental, and even if you do everything to make her hate you afterwards, she doesn't. You can't get out unless she fucking dies.
... I do. But more in a theory not what we got. I mean I know these actors broke up so it was probably hard to film much chemistry between them but I do like the idea of Markus showing north the good in people and her keeping him safe from the more manipulative politicians after the game. They could probably balance each other out. Also Simon died in my first play though so I didn't really get to see much of him
No, the fandom still cares for Markus and North. We’re just annoyed with how they portrayed their relationship. She and Markus balance each other out, plus Markus knows she has suffered at the hands of humans. He soothes her pain. As much as I like Simon, I’m glad North ended up with Markus. I just wish we had seen some sort of relationship build-up or some flirting from them. They’re a badass couple tho.
@@Nirrini Right. Some people who end up in a romance with North just wanted to be friendly. I was curious about her past and got locked into being lovers with her. It was accidental, and even if you do everything to make her hate you afterwards, she doesn't. If you really dig for some Simon scenes then they're very endearing and I believe he was supposed to be a candidate as Markus' love interest.
@@Nazinsky The “take my heart because we are compatible” scene was very endearing indeed. But I’m personally more interested in enemies to lovers type of relationships. Which is why I love North x Markus so much and also RK1K (Connor x Markus).
"I'll take hatred over indifference". Wish there was an option to off her after that comment and I"ll take a bromance/romance with Simon any day instead of that hateful witch. That past backstory of hers was not enough to warrant sympathy from me.
North's backstory was absolutely pathetic imo, she was handled really bad as a character. I hope one day we get to see why it seems all she wants to do is murder people but I doubt we ever will...
It's amazing that you can go full on pacifist and you still end up romancing her. It's laughable honestly! This game is amazing, but the romance was poor. A group of 4, 1 is a woman, who in my opinion was the most unlikable, is always partnered up with Markus on missions because fuck, why the hell not!? I can sympathize her about her past, but what she's essentially become is a racist and murderer. Markus has said time and time again (canon Markus is nice, so I'm assuming you played him as such) that killing and violence is bad. Why would I ever want to romance a character like her? She wanted to murder Simon in cold blood, like fuck off with that, he's one of us. Too bad I went to the roof and got him killed anyway... *sigh* Simon deserved better (more about him later). The way things were going, I had suspicions that the romance was coming, but I was expecting a legit choice, a "yes" or "no", not some hand connecting bullshit and some memory sharing. She was also uncomfortable in revealing her past, and while I don't like North, I can totally understand her reason why. There's a video on UA-cam that points out actually that pressuring someone about their traumatic past is not the way to go about romance, and while Markus doesn't exactly pressure her in a horrible way, he does push her to reveal it, but it's her business honestly. Anyway, Simon. Simon is lovely. He's not 100% pacifist, but I can respect that being peaceful all the time just won't cut it. North just wants to watch the world burn. But Simon wants whatever Markus wants. You ever notice that with North and Josh, your relationship with them is always going up and down, but Simon's doesn't move half the time? He has his own opinions, but he doesn't voice them that often unless it's about safety. He's a runner. It's why, as a leader of Jericho, he remained hidden away with his people, waiting to die out. Markus called him out on this, and essentially overtook Simon as leader. And Simon let him. If Simon is left on the roof and survives, the two reunite, sharing some looks and a heartwarming hug. This by the way takes place immediately after North leaves Markus after sharing those memories that clearly made her uncomfortable, and yet... she just became Markus' lover. Didn't seem very loving to me, it looked more like they'd just had a fall out. It's so fucking bad... Simon was suppose to be a potential love interest too, which explains the unrequited love from Simon's side (the guy clearly loves Markus, it's impossible to not see it), and why Simon shares many parallels with North (in both dialogue and scenes). It makes me sad... a Markus/Simon option would've been nice at least. Have North romance-able during the violent path, sure, that would work, but otherwise, no.
No doubt she must have. That's no reason to want to kill the entire human race. The blue haired Traci defended herself when she was attacked, but she even said she didn't mean to kill him. I don't know enough of North's background and if she experienced worse than the blue haired Traci (even if she didn't, every experience is different and she's allowed to feel pain, even if someone has it worse), but... I just find her character non-likeable. She's somewhat like a villain in my eyes.
Simon isn't a complete pasifist, he's a realist and I respect the hell outta that but I do think it'd be better if after romancing north Markus actually starts to show her that violence isn't the answer and humans aren't all bad like Carl. ((honestly I think if anyone could have been used for north it'd be Connor, they're both fairly violent regardless of how you play Connor always uses force at least once if not flat out murder and he's been abused a lot too, even the voice inside his head was dehumanizing and his only possible friend Hank was violent and demeaning towards him too. Not to mention he has shared memories with multiple tracis and although that doesn't really count as first hand experience it kinds seems like it's more meaningful than Markus' little pep talk and shared memories. Not to mention that Connor wants to be a hero and north is looking for a hero. Although again there are still flaws there because despite both of them being violent and mistreated by humans they still don't have a lot of similar beliefs, Connor can become friends with Hank, and officer Wilson so he does have empathy for humans and can form connections to them while north is extremely jaded and won't go near them but at least Connor is a negotiator he could probably keep her more reigned in than Markus. (I would say north might have a hard time trusting him but she actually doesn't if it's only her and Connor left) they've more in common than North and Markus, as well as the fact that both of them could be hated/unliked in Jericho after the game. But it's still a stretch so it kinda seems like no one really should romance north, she has to work out some of her issues first.))
In the end north is a bitch, and markus deserve better, or just to stay alone, it's better than to live with north. The only thing north did good was when she gave her heart for markus
This is the only time that the game humanised North as a PTSD survivor and rape survivor. Other times, the narrative just treats her as just another angry asshole.
If you go full pacifist, Simon is the perfect romantic interest for Markus. If you go full violence, North is the perfect romantic interest for Markus. They literally have no chemistry at all during full pacifist playthrough. 😑
I think that Simon, Josh, and North should've all been options, but Josh in the pacifist route, North in the violent route, and Simon should've maybe been an option in both, maybe with more options in the pacifist route. I ship Markus and Simon as I think they have way more chemistry, plus it seems that Simon likes Markus, especially in the pacifist route. It just makes more sense than North, even Josh would've made more sense than North lol.
50% of the comments here: "Markus and North were forced *and* rushed!" "Why wasn't Simon a romance option!?" The other 50%: "North's mixed signals are so needlessly complicated... Wait this depicts irl women too-"
damn you're lucky - in my first playthrough, i accidentally made them lovers and i hated it 💀i was so surprised when she was the love interest instead of simon ngl
@@husband-of-chinggis Right. Most people who end up in a romance with North just wanted to be friendly. I was curious about her past and got locked into being lovers with her. It was accidental, and even if you do everything to make her hate you afterwards, she doesn't.
Words can never truly share an experience. How amazing would it be to share experiences like this with others. Share the emotion and the feelings of the moment.
In my first playthrough I ditched North, even though I took the violent route and she was like my best buddy. (but ended up dying, because my fucking PC froze at important QTE so I missed them e_e, everyone died the first time I played). In my second, peaceful, playthrough I accidentally romanced her xD After this scene played and she was my "lover" now I was like "oh Shit, I didn't want that xD" but ok xD I don't know why, but I don't really like North. She could have been something cool, but yeah ... it is what it is.
Mah Boi Has Returned well for starters, for a sex robot she's pretty damn ugly. But on a more serious note, she doesn't really DO anything other than say "murder, destroy, kill" I mean in that TV station break in what did she ACTUALLY do? Markus cut both windows, did his own climbing. She just appeared in a uniform to follow him. He could have gone alone, and it'd end the same. She also does back-asswards shit like "I don't wanna talk about it." Then when Markus lets off, the relationship goes DOWN??? HE DID WHAT YOU WANT, YOU ABSOLUTE NUMPTY! Sure, Josh doesn't do a LOT either, but he's not an annoying shit either... -_-
So interesting seeing all versions of the rooftop conversation, thank you! When Amelia burnt down Cyberlife during the Decharts' livestream, it showed that she was among 0% of players to have done that, and it's so badass. North gets such disproportionate amount of hate, jeeze, she still follows Markus' lead and instructions if he chooses pacifism despite her cynicism, she's not unreasonable.
So? In that situation she's the leader, she calls the shots. I don't fault either Markus or North for choosing revolution rather than demonstration, they're trying to save the androids in the camps that are being disassembled alive, the violence is warranted.
Traveller in the Dark well my point was that she’s Markus’ lover and... if you try to be a pacifist, and put in work to be a pacifist, then when North starts her period and fucks everything, it’s kind of undoing all of Markus’ work. Sure, she has every RIGHT to, but it’s just rude, cosidering Markus was her LOVER...
Cracks about women on their periods are super boring, just so you know. Even more eyeroll-worthy when we're talking about an android. Storytelling and character-wise, it actually makes perfect sense for North to seek revenge on humans after Markus' death. His death would only prove that the pacifist approach doesn't work, and North would see it as honouring Markus to achieve his ultimate goal (freedom for androids), even if it's via a different method.
Traveller in the Dark cracks about women on theirperiod are true tho... But you do make a good point that she'd want revenge. Still she's a bitch even when Markus is alive tho so like... I still don't like her?
Was North the Android that escaped Connor? She strangled someone and ran away with the blue one, right? I also think the Connor chapter was after this but the similarities.
North ran away months before the game. When playing as Connor in Waiting for Hank, you can find her case report on Connor's files and she mentioned by the manager in the Eden Club if Hank talks to him
Am I the only one who loves North here? I understand her hatred for humans because the humans in this game [Even in real life tbh] are so violent for no reason, even if you choose the peaceful route. And besides, we don't even know her full backstory, she was probably abused & who knows what she saw back at the Eden Club.
I prefer North over Simon and Josh. Josh has much more complex than North for no reason. Simon has no chemistry with Markus. They are just friends. North has cool personality. Nice voice and I like how she dress up during the game. She is better than Kara and I can tell she clearly needs love in her life. I simply like girls like her and gonna be honest people who hates her are pathetic.
David Cage is such a genius writer and director as well. The moment Markus chooses to listen to what North proposes to do will lead to disaster and chaos. This is actually implemented in real life where man as a full-fledged person, is the one who has to redirect the woman, or else things may end up improbably. Not because women are stupid but because women are overwhelmed with passion.
I don't like North or hate her But the relationship between North and Markus feels superficial to me because my first experience with the game was the pacifist ending and it seemed like one of those moments where people are together for the sake of it. I feel like it could have worked but it didn't. I mean, we see the way they manage to show Simon and Markus' relationship (and the leavings of what would have been if they hadn't cut out his route) in a few key moments, so why not North? I love her fire though, a very powerful spirit, like, I definitely believe she could take the humans down with her methods and her fury. She just needed more depth.
@flipnotefan fan [Trคƿƿ૯ძ ᔕ૦υl] she probably knew about him. But I don't think she'd have any fond thoughts about him considering he's basically the Android boggieman
@@ChengTeoh not really, North and Connor can speak instead of Markus and Connor and people think they had chemistry. (which was probably because Bryan and Mila were actually in the room together to talk but he never saw Jesse so they obviously won't have as good chemistry)
> Markus probes North
> "I don't want to talk about it"
> Relationship improves
> Markus steps back and doesn’t probe anymore
> Relationship worsens
Bruh. Even android women.
That's called "attention seeking"
women am i right
Logic
@@journey2finland595 its not all women
Tᗷᕼ- quantic dream missed out on an opportunity to make North such a likeable character;
she couldve been that badass chic that lived in harsh conditions, and they couldve given her a deeper character development with a better way of explaining why she was so secretive. she couldve been afraid to love because she couldve been afraid to be used and thrown away like a tool- SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES WASTED
North, josh and simon were the founding members of Jericho.
Quantic Dream couldve given them a traumatic event that brought them together, and i wish they touched on that.
markus is the one who could enlighten her that violence isnt always the answer. markus couldve been the one to teach north how to _love_ again...
heck, i wish quantic dream gave north and markus an opportunity to flirt and joke around once in a while to build up their bond with the player's perspective
in the stratford tower mission, when north snuck in with markus, they had a BRO FIST. I want in on that! i wanna see them planning together with simon and josh with occasional inside jokes here and there... i want the player to feel bonded with the jericho trio in markus' shoes
*_tᕼiᔕ gᗩᗰe iᔕ ᗪᖇiᐯiᑎg ᗰe ᑎᑌtᔕ_*
All good points. But I think they needed someone to counter the peacefulness of Josh.
Cheng Teoh haha thanks! i love how quantic dream has not dismissed the idea of a dbh sequel (theres an article online about it) and i really wish characters like simon, chloe and/or kamski could be playable characters BECAUSE they can finally fill in so manh plotholes cuz i wouldnt mind playing a game thag would last longer than 10 hours per gameplay.
also; life is strange 2 is coming soon and it has a seperate storyline than the first game. rumor has it that altho different context, both games would come "full circle", meaning questions and answers can be reconciled :)))
so if detroit ever does have a sequel, i hope they dive deeper in the eyes of chloe rt600; the original android that most likely knows _everything_
can u imagine? kamski probably sends chloe to special missions when he was out of cyberlife. kamski probably tells chloe of his plans and stuff and oh my god chloe needs more love tbh
Two words...
David cage.
Yup. North, Josh and Simon are treated as disposable parts
Cheng Teoh they could have made it better though. North is not always justified but her anger is.
Best thing yet
I hate how damn forced Markus and north's relationship is...
Thanks for showing something like this too.
weed sheep It would have been ok if it didn't progress so quickly. Its so rushed without it been properly fleshed out which is a real shame in my opinion.
No Shit I hated North from the Begingin( how do you spell it again ?😅) because she always really all the time she was Whinnig about me beeing pacifiest.I always wanted to kill her but i stopped because i didn't wanted to get hated from Jericho. But i should habe dome it
Forced how???
@@hello7103 And like a loyal friend, North still followed Markus in all his pacifist decisions. I really don´t get it wy everybody hates here. How can she like humans with her past? And like I said. She follows Markus even in the pacifist way. I liked her charakter.
@@shcuf95 She eventually changes if Markus keeps on going on the path of peace showing that she can change her negatives for the love of her life and start a new one with him by giving up on bad habits, not at all forced imo I love it. Just my opinion, yours can differ no prob in that.
Markus: hey so what’s up
North \/\/\/
Markus: where you from?
North:\/\/\/ I don’t want to talk about it
Markus: ok we don’t have to talk
North:\/\/\/
Lmao those arrows 😂
Hugs Simon = Friend
Touch North = Lover
Having Simon as lover would be gay
@@Randy-ip5hj But better, and Simon like a Lover makes even more sense than North
@@letto4737 Yeah, North feels way too forced.
@Username: 666 I think it would probably make more sense cuz Markus and Simon are more compatiable both of them are Domestic Assistant Androids also I kinda wonder if North would be more compatiable being in a romance with another North like those two Traci's🤔
@@Randy-ip5hj then kamski is genius
North: I don't want to talk about it
Markus: Okay, then we want
*relationship goes down*
Wow, women really don't know what they want.
please note that I am a woman and that I'm not trying to be sexist.
The particular conversation where Markus agreed to leave things alone and not talk about it causing North to just leave like that came as a surprise. Is that how you'd react?
Even women don't understand women.
@@dolanuscaesar1326 She's a level 2 woman. Where even WOMEN can't understand them
@@ChengTeoh If I were her, yes. It's psychological. Emotional code in dialogue. "I don't want to talk about it" is a test. If he realizes, "okay, but you NEED to talk about it even though it hurts to," then she knows he sees past her tough guy bullshit to her real feelings and takes them seriously. Someone who cares more about avoiding awkwardness than helping a hurting person will take the easy out. Not her style to like you when you give up without a fight. That's what she feels Markus is doing when he says, "okay, we won't." If instead he has been observing that she's been suffering by holding it all in, then she knows he isn't going to be careless with her heart.
@@WynneL See how you needed a whole paragraph to explain the meaning behind that single line from North? Women really *are* complicated af
I want Markus to smile
Uhm, it's been a year but I think he smiles when doing speed chess.
He smiled when he was with Carl...
@Vitor Germano Schenk *Soviet anthem plays*
He smiles..with Simon.
Holy shit I cant believe I wrote this 2 years ago haha time flies. I'm not even in this fandom anymore
If I had an oppurtunity of playing this I'd go full pacifism
The crazy thing about that is that North can still be your lover, even though you never followed her advice when she suggested violent actions. Unless you fail a bunch of missions, the lowest relationship status you can get is Indifferent, and you will be friends by the end of the game if you continue to do well on your missions.
Lian1286 yeah she was my lover as pacficist
@@Lian1286 i only killed Todd
@@Lian1286 you sure indifferent is the lowest? i've managed to get her and everybody else on jericho RESENTFUL towards me. there were some playthrough where i was intentionally making people hate me to explore other story path. but on this playthrough it was an accident, a misclick on choice that got me the shittiest treatment and opinion, just one click 😂🤣
I actually did go pacifist until the "ON MY ORDERS" scene. I knew they would attack us so I decided to fight back in self defense
Lol I don’t care about you north, give me Simon
Yeah Simon is so cute
Agreed!
yeah, agreed.
Simon is very cute uwu
Agreed
*some androids just want to watch the world burn*
She had her reasons
@@Chickenworm9394 honestly! I couldn’t fault her completely either
Their relationship was rushed. Sure, when in hard times you look for any kind of relationship that could give you support but...eh, still forced
@Shadoww Nemesis01 forced in a sense of "we need a romantic relationship. let's get those two together quickly, we need to focus on 3 characters, we can't spend much time thinking about the relationship story"
@@chantalriviera3458 ...you realise the relationship is optional right? Depending on your actions you can even make them hate each other. It isn't "forced" if you're literally given a choice lmao
Old thread but,
I think the reason why they became Lovers so quick is because they did Connect to each other: showing every bit of memory and gained what is probably a "perfect" understanding of each other. North saw what love is through Markus's memories (father-son relationship with Carl) while Markus saw who she really was and what motivates her to act the way she was. (You can see Markus feels awkward after Connecting and seeing memories about Eden Club)
IDK there must be a plot hole or something that caused more holes why did North say Carl left Markus for dead?🤔I don't think he did he told Markus to get out of there if he doesn't die but we didn't see the flashback😕it is kinda rushed😂
thot
i just feel like Markus and North's relationship was kinda rushed AND forced
Freedom March
NORTH
ᴄᴏᴍᴘᴀɴɪᴏɴ
Markus: *touches hand*
NORTH /\
ʟᴏᴠᴇʀ
@Shadoww Nemesis01 Most people who end up in a romance with North just wanted to be friendly. I was curious about her past and got locked into being lovers with her. It was accidental, and even if you do everything to make her hate you afterwards, she doesn't.
No one:
My Mom coming into my room at 3AM: 8:50
Orenji This actually made me laugh😂😂😂
@@jiemingzhao9244 same lmao 😭
Good for you then
Oh i see your moms a nice person to care so much about your privacy)
Although I hate north she is so beautiful every time I see her.
Same
What???
Well, her function was to satisfy humans so I don't blame you.
Yes, got me acting up lol 😩
I’m hard
This is exactly why I don't ship Markus and North. Think about it; if North was the leader- this is EXACTLY how she would have handled things. Markus is too sweet (for the natural route - and how Carl raised him) to be doing these types of things as canon. He desires to live peacefully and North is just a toxin to that dream. She's wayyy too violent. She's batshit crazy actually. It scares me to know that this is what it would have looked like if she was in charge. She just wants to kill the humans. Thankfully you can only go down this route if you CHOOSE the violent route.
She inevitably fails if Markus gets kicked out/dies. She's horrible as a leader.
69 лайков)
The literal point of this game is that there is no "canon/not canon"
@@Kiara_Wrestler Ok
North: Where are you going?
Markus: *leaving* to talk with humans
North: ...
I didn't even know you could burn the whole place down! o_O
NoName ༄ when I watched Bryan’s stream on Twitch, I was surprised that you can burn the place down lol. So you’re not alone😂😂.
I'm wondering how many people went violent to please her............
I mean I went violent but not because of her ramblings of "violence is the only answer" mahogany
Hey Joji i’m pretty sure most people that played dbh went pacifist.
Monochromatic interesting I didn't see the percentages for the differences but I'll take your word for it
You can be her lover even if you're not violent tho
I wouldn't say many did. I like her and I still didn't.
I went violent for myself
I am so happy you included everything that can happen in the game concerning Markus's violent actions and how he is filled with self loathing. I hate that the narrative could be deeper and it feels still superficial.
This video is really well put together, better than the others. Well done!
Thanks for the kind words. Share it amongst people you think might also like to watch it.
Am I the only one that ships Markus and Simon ;-;
I’m That one Detroit become human fan as brothers
Simon my man!
I'm here for you bro
Nah, you're not alone. They have more chemistry than North and Markus do. Like if you go violent, if Markus gets damaged, if you are with North, she gives you a choice, whether or not you take her heart. If you aren't with North, but Simon is your friend, he just gives you his heart, without a choice. That really shows how much he cares ;-;
Also, if Simon gets left behind in the Stratford tower mission, if Connor doesn't find him, he comes back to Jericho and he and Markus share a big, comfy hug. :') (PS: Just watch that scene, and look at how comfy Simon is)
NoName ༄ ; Can we talk about how Simon just rips his heart out and put it inside Markus?? As opposed to Markus/North scene where Markus is the one who takes out North's heart from her, Simon just does it himself, because this decision is his and his alone. Markus has no say in it.
Can you imagine pulling out your beloved's vital organ for your own gain? The guilt would kill me.
Woman are complicated, Android woman are Indescribable Sophistication
Ashnion The Salty People*
Psychopaths*
Women*
@@mason9806look at ur pfp you peasant 😂
Wish choosing to side with North, Josh, or Simon could lead to three very different outcomes regardless of romance (but can still romance them if you choose to.)
Markus will show them da way 10:06
cristal star mochi "memes never die"-old Mercy
i forgot a ton of video game fandoms is filled with dead memes, thank you for letting me remember
AiruzThePlayer are you being aggressive or normal?
@@Airuz1 "your welcome"-maui
Reminds me of the Trump impression in Danganronpa..
So do you want to talk about it or NOrTh??? You are so complicated
SpaceKeeper025 lmao yeah
North: "I don't wanna talk about it."
Markus: "okay, you don't wanna talk about it, we wont talk about it."
North:↓
You spell north wrong silly
Killing the officers is so cruel
I killed them, because they killed the androids there...
An eye for an eye and the world goes blind
Yeah, they just had orders, maybe they didn't want to kill these androids :\
@@saulgoodman2777 man I could never could the officers. They killed androids, but if androids kill people, does that make them better?
I think it's kind of funny that I actually managed to connect with North on my first playthrough North May wanna be violence but she's very sensitive about her past and is thankful when you try to make her comfortable talking about it
In conclusion: *Simon would make a better partner* smh
Exactly. I love Simon and how supportive he is.
Most people who end up in a romance with North just wanted to be friendly. I was curious about her past and got locked into being lovers with her. It was accidental, and even if you do everything to make her hate you afterwards, she doesn't. You can't get out unless she fucking dies.
More proof that Markus should've been able to romance Simon instead of North. I don't think anyone even cares about North and Markus as a couple.
... I do. But more in a theory not what we got. I mean I know these actors broke up so it was probably hard to film much chemistry between them but I do like the idea of Markus showing north the good in people and her keeping him safe from the more manipulative politicians after the game. They could probably balance each other out.
Also Simon died in my first play though so I didn't really get to see much of him
No, the fandom still cares for Markus and North. We’re just annoyed with how they portrayed their relationship.
She and Markus balance each other out, plus Markus knows she has suffered at the hands of humans.
He soothes her pain. As much as I like Simon, I’m glad North ended up with Markus. I just wish we had seen some sort of relationship build-up or some flirting from them.
They’re a badass couple tho.
Ppl do, and I think both would've been good. You should've been able to choose or something. I don't think that would stop ppl from fighting though.
@@Nirrini Right. Some people who end up in a romance with North just wanted to be friendly. I was curious about her past and got locked into being lovers with her. It was accidental, and even if you do everything to make her hate you afterwards, she doesn't.
If you really dig for some Simon scenes then they're very endearing and I believe he was supposed to be a candidate as Markus' love interest.
@@Nazinsky The “take my heart because we are compatible” scene was very endearing indeed.
But I’m personally more interested in enemies to lovers type of relationships.
Which is why I love North x Markus so much and also RK1K (Connor x Markus).
Markus steals candy
North🔼
North: I told you I don't want to talk about it
Markus: OK
North: *V*
Thanks, I appreciate being able to see more dialogue and not just the endings like most vids. It’s too much repetition to watch this stuff in-game :)
If Simon would be a women, then Markus and Simon would be canon romantic relationship. I swear.
there are gay relationships you know
@cerentixie but sadly not canon 😭 I'd love it. But the game creators avoided that.
Righttt?
"I'll take hatred over indifference". Wish there was an option to off her after that comment and I"ll take a bromance/romance with Simon any day instead of that hateful witch. That past backstory of hers was not enough to warrant sympathy from me.
Exactly! I love Simon.
North's backstory was absolutely pathetic imo, she was handled really bad as a character. I hope one day we get to see why it seems all she wants to do is murder people but I doubt we ever will...
@@pbars4691 I agree. I can empathize but to the extent that she took her hatred..it was unreal.
It's amazing that you can go full on pacifist and you still end up romancing her. It's laughable honestly! This game is amazing, but the romance was poor. A group of 4, 1 is a woman, who in my opinion was the most unlikable, is always partnered up with Markus on missions because fuck, why the hell not!? I can sympathize her about her past, but what she's essentially become is a racist and murderer. Markus has said time and time again (canon Markus is nice, so I'm assuming you played him as such) that killing and violence is bad. Why would I ever want to romance a character like her? She wanted to murder Simon in cold blood, like fuck off with that, he's one of us. Too bad I went to the roof and got him killed anyway... *sigh* Simon deserved better (more about him later).
The way things were going, I had suspicions that the romance was coming, but I was expecting a legit choice, a "yes" or "no", not some hand connecting bullshit and some memory sharing. She was also uncomfortable in revealing her past, and while I don't like North, I can totally understand her reason why. There's a video on UA-cam that points out actually that pressuring someone about their traumatic past is not the way to go about romance, and while Markus doesn't exactly pressure her in a horrible way, he does push her to reveal it, but it's her business honestly.
Anyway, Simon. Simon is lovely. He's not 100% pacifist, but I can respect that being peaceful all the time just won't cut it. North just wants to watch the world burn. But Simon wants whatever Markus wants. You ever notice that with North and Josh, your relationship with them is always going up and down, but Simon's doesn't move half the time? He has his own opinions, but he doesn't voice them that often unless it's about safety. He's a runner. It's why, as a leader of Jericho, he remained hidden away with his people, waiting to die out. Markus called him out on this, and essentially overtook Simon as leader. And Simon let him. If Simon is left on the roof and survives, the two reunite, sharing some looks and a heartwarming hug. This by the way takes place immediately after North leaves Markus after sharing those memories that clearly made her uncomfortable, and yet... she just became Markus' lover. Didn't seem very loving to me, it looked more like they'd just had a fall out. It's so fucking bad...
Simon was suppose to be a potential love interest too, which explains the unrequited love from Simon's side (the guy clearly loves Markus, it's impossible to not see it), and why Simon shares many parallels with North (in both dialogue and scenes). It makes me sad... a Markus/Simon option would've been nice at least. Have North romance-able during the violent path, sure, that would work, but otherwise, no.
Bandi but probably she must've seen bad humams right.... Some guy killed traci in eden club remember .... Slaved...
No doubt she must have. That's no reason to want to kill the entire human race. The blue haired Traci defended herself when she was attacked, but she even said she didn't mean to kill him. I don't know enough of North's background and if she experienced worse than the blue haired Traci (even if she didn't, every experience is different and she's allowed to feel pain, even if someone has it worse), but... I just find her character non-likeable. She's somewhat like a villain in my eyes.
Simon isn't a complete pasifist, he's a realist and I respect the hell outta that but I do think it'd be better if after romancing north Markus actually starts to show her that violence isn't the answer and humans aren't all bad like Carl.
((honestly I think if anyone could have been used for north it'd be Connor, they're both fairly violent regardless of how you play Connor always uses force at least once if not flat out murder and he's been abused a lot too, even the voice inside his head was dehumanizing and his only possible friend Hank was violent and demeaning towards him too. Not to mention he has shared memories with multiple tracis and although that doesn't really count as first hand experience it kinds seems like it's more meaningful than Markus' little pep talk and shared memories. Not to mention that Connor wants to be a hero and north is looking for a hero.
Although again there are still flaws there because despite both of them being violent and mistreated by humans they still don't have a lot of similar beliefs, Connor can become friends with Hank, and officer Wilson so he does have empathy for humans and can form connections to them while north is extremely jaded and won't go near them but at least Connor is a negotiator he could probably keep her more reigned in than Markus. (I would say north might have a hard time trusting him but she actually doesn't if it's only her and Connor left) they've more in common than North and Markus, as well as the fact that both of them could be hated/unliked in Jericho after the game. But it's still a stretch so it kinda seems like no one really should romance north, she has to work out some of her issues first.))
This. Preach this.
In the end north is a bitch, and markus deserve better, or just to stay alone, it's better than to live with north. The only thing north did good was when she gave her heart for markus
North: "I told you I don't want to talk about it" >:(
Also north: ^
4:57 I FEEL SO BAD FOR CHRIS
Do a video what happens if luther's realation with kara is bad
Because i go FOR CONNOR!
This is the only time that the game humanised North as a PTSD survivor and rape survivor. Other times, the narrative just treats her as just another angry asshole.
If you go full pacifist, Simon is the perfect romantic interest for Markus.
If you go full violence, North is the perfect romantic interest for Markus.
They literally have no chemistry at all during full pacifist playthrough. 😑
It makes me sad that Simon isn't a romanceable option in a game literally about choices.
I think that Simon, Josh, and North should've all been options, but Josh in the pacifist route, North in the violent route, and Simon should've maybe been an option in both, maybe with more options in the pacifist route. I ship Markus and Simon as I think they have way more chemistry, plus it seems that Simon likes Markus, especially in the pacifist route. It just makes more sense than North, even Josh would've made more sense than North lol.
When Marcus says I wanna know about your story North says no when Marcus says no relationship fails
50% of the comments here: "Markus and North were forced *and* rushed!"
"Why wasn't Simon a romance option!?"
The other 50%: "North's mixed signals are so needlessly complicated... Wait this depicts irl women too-"
Everybody for some reason hates north because she wanted the human race gone.
I never even had that north and markus scene in my playthrough, or any type of romantic relationship between them. Even with them both surviving.
damn you're lucky - in my first playthrough, i accidentally made them lovers and i hated it 💀i was so surprised when she was the love interest instead of simon ngl
@@husband-of-chinggis Right. Most people who end up in a romance with North just wanted to be friendly. I was curious about her past and got locked into being lovers with her. It was accidental, and even if you do everything to make her hate you afterwards, she doesn't.
@@husband-of-chinggisnot yall making markus gay
3:17 CAN I PLEASE GET THE SONG, please and thank you
Hey ! Sorry, I'm 2 years late, but I think it's this one :
ua-cam.com/video/EO7Ddnn_mKQ/v-deo.html
It's an unreleased soundtrack
North's wild down at the Eden Club
Words can never truly share an experience. How amazing would it be to share experiences like this with others. Share the emotion and the feelings of the moment.
Why does markus always have the same facial expressions wtf
I don t wanna talk
Okay we won t
North
🔽
You missed one thing to show
If North is Hostile/Resentful to you even if you choose the best dialogue than she just ditch you (red path unlock)
Robo Jesus Rejecting his Robo Girlfriend.....
Twice.....
0:30 she doesnt want to talk about it
he doesnt push the subject
she gets disappointed anyway and talks about her life
what?
10:10 Markus becomes Pinocchio in HD.
Nahhh
In my first playthrough I ditched North, even though I took the violent route and she was like my best buddy. (but ended up dying, because my fucking PC froze at important QTE so I missed them e_e, everyone died the first time I played).
In my second, peaceful, playthrough I accidentally romanced her xD After this scene played and she was my "lover" now I was like "oh Shit, I didn't want that xD" but ok xD
I don't know why, but I don't really like North. She could have been something cool, but yeah ... it is what it is.
North is such a dead weight character. Such a Waste.
Stephanie Lovat why's that?
Mah Boi Has Returned well for starters, for a sex robot she's pretty damn ugly.
But on a more serious note, she doesn't really DO anything other than say "murder, destroy, kill" I mean in that TV station break in what did she ACTUALLY do? Markus cut both windows, did his own climbing. She just appeared in a uniform to follow him. He could have gone alone, and it'd end the same.
She also does back-asswards shit like
"I don't wanna talk about it." Then when Markus lets off, the relationship goes DOWN??? HE DID WHAT YOU WANT, YOU ABSOLUTE NUMPTY!
Sure, Josh doesn't do a LOT either, but he's not an annoying shit either... -_-
jadecoolness101 i still don't get it
Jaykachi but Minka POP NOICE
:P
Am I the only one who fucking loves North 👌👌💝💝💙
I like North.
Same. I'm always a little upset about how much hate she gets
Same
They didn’t have to give Markus a love interest. North was annoying it should have Connor and Kara
Annoying for who? For complex guy like you who hates every girl who is not nice every time? Looks like it.
@@PrincessIcyCalix what?
@@rockchickstar What? What? Don't act like your hatred to North has sense. It doesn't. You are just toxic.
My reaction at the end - HA-HAAA (Nelson laught)
So interesting seeing all versions of the rooftop conversation, thank you! When Amelia burnt down Cyberlife during the Decharts' livestream, it showed that she was among 0% of players to have done that, and it's so badass. North gets such disproportionate amount of hate, jeeze, she still follows Markus' lead and instructions if he chooses pacifism despite her cynicism, she's not unreasonable.
Traveller in the Dark but if Markus dies she takes over and makes everything violent anyways...
So? In that situation she's the leader, she calls the shots. I don't fault either Markus or North for choosing revolution rather than demonstration, they're trying to save the androids in the camps that are being disassembled alive, the violence is warranted.
Traveller in the Dark well my point was that she’s Markus’ lover and... if you try to be a pacifist, and put in work to be a pacifist, then when North starts her period and fucks everything, it’s kind of undoing all of Markus’ work.
Sure, she has every RIGHT to, but it’s just rude, cosidering Markus was her LOVER...
Cracks about women on their periods are super boring, just so you know. Even more eyeroll-worthy when we're talking about an android. Storytelling and character-wise, it actually makes perfect sense for North to seek revenge on humans after Markus' death. His death would only prove that the pacifist approach doesn't work, and North would see it as honouring Markus to achieve his ultimate goal (freedom for androids), even if it's via a different method.
Traveller in the Dark cracks about women on theirperiod are true tho...
But you do make a good point that she'd want revenge. Still she's a bitch even when Markus is alive tho so like... I still don't like her?
GOOD SHOW MAN!
Companion Red path unlocked?
But l fought that it's the best relationship...?
Was North the Android that escaped Connor? She strangled someone and ran away with the blue one, right?
I also think the Connor chapter was after this but the similarities.
North ran away months before the game. When playing as Connor in Waiting for Hank, you can find her case report on Connor's files and she mentioned by the manager in the Eden Club if Hank talks to him
That's a short haired Traci!
Bruh all are the answer as long as NOT aggressive
And the other of course
North: I told you I don't want to talk about it
Markus: OK
North: *v*
this feels so forced tbh-
I JUST WANNA BE ABLE TO BE GAY FOR SIMON DAMNIT
2:48
How to get her to love you: Invade her memories it's free real estate
10:11 _is that a tear I see_
Most emotional kiss I've ever seen in a game, ever.
They were both companion when she rejected him and when he loved him
What
modern molotovs be like in 2030;
Detroit Become Human is kind of educational. I watch it, so I don’t screw up my conversations with a girl or any humans in general
When North leaves Markus he can be Finally with Simon!xd
Yessssss
Eww
This is just a reprisal of the romance in Heavy Rain, it's just as cringe worthy.
Can you make a video "what happens if the group doesnt jump from the stratford tower"
I don’t remember some of these cutscenes
Am I the only one who loves North here?
I understand her hatred for humans because
the humans in this game [Even in real life tbh] are so violent for no reason, even if you choose the peaceful route.
And besides, we don't even know her full backstory, she was probably abused & who knows what she saw back at the Eden Club.
I wished they could gave North a better character development because now she is kinda anoying
Do you know the soundtrack that plays when Markus sees North's Memories ? I love the video tho !
I like these two.
Humans would overpower humans with the rest of the world to help it would be over for androids
3:38 Markus had too much red ice I think
Hol up, how dafuq can an android cry. They dont even have tear ducts, do they?
Maybe it's saline. I don't know.
So north was one of the sexiest androids in town or was she an android part of the eden club who sells the drinks
Finally some good fucking food!
6:42 (turn on captions)
Equinox YOUR THUMB *H E A L T H Y*
we want other videos cheng. Could you change the final music please? it is not pretty
How are you still making D:BH content im-
Why does everyone hate north... I love her😻😂🤪
I prefer North over Simon and Josh. Josh has much more complex than North for no reason. Simon has no chemistry with Markus. They are just friends. North has cool personality. Nice voice and I like how she dress up during the game. She is better than Kara and I can tell she clearly needs love in her life. I simply like girls like her and gonna be honest people who hates her are pathetic.
Do i even have the rights to say "14th comment"?
David Cage is such a genius writer and director as well. The moment Markus chooses to listen to what North proposes to do will lead to disaster and chaos. This is actually implemented in real life where man as a full-fledged person, is the one who has to redirect the woman, or else things may end up improbably. Not because women are stupid but because women are overwhelmed with passion.
How i get north leave node ??
I don't like North or hate her
But the relationship between North and Markus feels superficial to me because my first experience with the game was the pacifist ending and it seemed like one of those moments where people are together for the sake of it.
I feel like it could have worked but it didn't.
I mean, we see the way they manage to show Simon and Markus' relationship (and the leavings of what would have been if they hadn't cut out his route) in a few key moments, so why not North?
I love her fire though, a very powerful spirit, like, I definitely believe she could take the humans down with her methods and her fury. She just needed more depth.
this comment section is so sexist. not surprising.
9:30
Not panic huh hmm idk a maybe with ed it gets k
He said maybe too lol a eyes nvm
Egg
Bacon
OUH MEU DEUS
eu aceitei assim mesmo
Can you do North Love Triangle between Markus and Connor? :)
Is that an actual thing?
Cheng Teoh Yes... Obviously
Cheng Teoh its a crack ship, just like Chloe x Connor haha
@flipnotefan fan [Trคƿƿ૯ძ ᔕ૦υl] she probably knew about him. But I don't think she'd have any fond thoughts about him considering he's basically the Android boggieman
@@ChengTeoh not really, North and Connor can speak instead of Markus and Connor and people think they had chemistry. (which was probably because Bryan and Mila were actually in the room together to talk but he never saw Jesse so they obviously won't have as good chemistry)
👍