@@shermricks7340 As an undergound Hip Hop lover the only thing I didn't like about Joe was about him going mainstream hut I never disrespected or hated him. He is doing his thing. Respect to all DITC and TS members.
Yooo Cuban is right and he’s one of the only few people who has the balls to say it. Fat Joe wouldn’t have been nothing if it wasn’t for him discovering ‘Big Pun’ . Fans of Hip Hop was not checking for Fat Joe after he put out ‘Flow Joe’ . Signing BIG PUN and having ‘PUN’ write his raps put him in position and the craziest part about this whole thing is that JOE gets on the Breakfast Club telling Charlamagne he stopped his career to help BIG PUN out lmao 😂 😂…..😅😂😂😂 😂😂
Thats a fact. I been telling people this and they feel some kinda way about it. The partthat'ss aggravating is him trying to say the DJ.That's us. Break dancin, that's us. Trixie and Sasa thr 1st break dancers are Black. The 1st graffiti artist cornbread. He is from Philly and he's Black. The entire thing was made by us. Latino people were put in from the movies. Hip hop got a name in the 70s. It's our culture that we shared. Do not try to tell us about our history. The term rap comes from us. Hispanic people have absolutely no creation in it. They came in later in the 70s. Early 80s. There wasn't always peace between Latinos and Blacks. This is why the issues between us on rikers island between Latin kings and Black people. The problem I have is with immigrants coming here to tell us about what we did and created before they arrived. Listen to what we are saying and STOP trying to claim creation. It's going to make it were we start pushing other people out, period. If we went to DR PR or Cuba and tried to say this is what happened in 1930s and this is what it is. No we have no say in that. Even if we moved to Cuba in the 1900s. You know why. Cause we not Cuban and we not from Cuba. Joe is making it bad for all Latinos. Because the Latinos are backing him up on some levels. And more Latinos need to come out and speak the truth, or it's going to get crazy.
The issue we have is that FBA’s don’t want to give us the credit for our contributions. Y’all trying to dismiss us like we didn’t help grow this thing called Hip Hop that we all love.
I’m a Nuyorican which is different and we were early contributors but make no mistake black American culture was alive and well and are the original influences. Along the way we added to it.
Yall added nothing but a fan base they used yall to gentrify our culture nothing new. We ain't for it 2025 the sleeping giant Saif fi fy faux bums the time for parasitic cosplaying is done. P.s I contributed to my culture.
You guys need to get a podcast set.with pandas investigative journalism and cubans knowledge and controversy of the rap game would make you guys a power house. Maybe interview artists and djs old ,new, underground exc. Yall need to be in the same room so we can feel the vibe yall give off together.. blessings 💪🏼
It’s so crazy and backwards that when you tell the truth that you’re wrong and crazy…this is what this country was built on LIES so Cuban I support u my brother cause that’s why they shut u out or black balled you or whatever u wanna call its cause u told the truth and they don’t like it RESPECT!🇯🇲
Especially in this day and age. The masses don’t respect the real. They respect who will ENTERTAIN them and Joe is entertaining with his stories and lies.
Black Americans CREATED hiphop.. The Puerto Ricans helped elevate hiphop to the mainstream level where it is at Today... Learn the Difference between CREATION and Participation
@erickellam8237 They helped pushed the culture to where it's at with the break dancing and Graffiti.. the main star of the movie Wild Style was Puerto Rican. Crazy Legs and Rock Steady Crew in the movie Beat Street.. also made a huge impact to the point break dancing is now in the Olympics. Black Americans created all the elements of hiphop but they took it ran with it and did a incredible job helping us to get it out there.
Puerto Ricans pushed breakdancing and graffiti to where it’s at today??? Could’ve sworn as early as the 20’s/30’s there was footage of BLACK Americans breakdancing. It’s not too late to edit this comment bro. Black Americans created AND pushed the culture to where it was. End of story.
@@dabouncer4585 you’re wrong bro. Nobody “pushed” anything to the masses except BLACK AMERICANS. You’re coming off mad disrespectful and you’re wrong here. 🤷🏽
Because money takes over their once love honor and integrity for the black culture. And since even black folk sold the main pillars in hip hop like def jam b.e.t ect.. it makes others follow that mantra
Cuban spoke the facts and even though it took all of this to give understanding how he felt Fat Joe did his bro Big Pun he kept up the fight. See you gotta look past the mountains to see the eagles they keep rising to the top maybe Big Pun cracked a smile knowing Cuban wasn’t gonna let him get away with it, How you treat your folks means everything to us we all we got🙏🏾💯
I agree with Cuban on many points here, he nailed a few of them precisely. In my opinion, Hip-Hop as a movement and culture truly came to life when all four core elements merged, accompanied by the iconic words of Keith Cowboy: HIP HOP! While there’s plenty of debate about when individual elements like rapping were introduced-whether by Pigmeat Markham, James Brown, the Fatback Band, or others-the essence of Hip-Hop lies in the collective presence of all the elements. Hip-Hop isn’t defined by a single element; it’s the fusion of DJing, dancing, rapping/emceeing, and graffiti. Pinpointing the exact moment when all these elements converged is an incredibly complex task. For instance, while many consider 1973 to be Hip-Hop’s birth year, I question whether all the elements were present at Herc’s party. Was graffiti there? Rapping? The dancing, sure-but was the breakbeat even extended that day? These questions show how subjective and layered this debate is. Given this complexity, I believe it’s impossible to definitively determine a true date to it's start and even whether Puerto Ricans co-created Hip-Hop alongside our Black brothers and sisters based on these historical nuances alone. What’s clear is that Hip-Hop has always been about unity and having a good time. Despite its darker moments, the ultimate goal was to bring people together through a shared love for the culture.
Oh additionally I truly feel that one of the biggest reasons why music has taken a turn in another direction is to keep people off guard and outside of their square, it's so much easier to control the masses if you allow them to think they have control of things and keep them dumb and fighting against one another. The most dangerous thing in the world is a person who truly does the knowledge of what is really going on and who thinks for themselves. That's what THEY* are afraid of.
@@pandachopnews nigga please cuban still got no explanation for getting hooked off by bx hova n not throwing back, what u gotta say about that lmaoo ill wait. cuban a chatty patty all talk no walk
1. The concept of the "Merry-Go-Round," as invented by Herc, symbolizes the idea of looping or repeating breaks. This technique is fundamental to the identity of a hip-hop DJ. To fully appreciate the significance of Herc's merry-go-round, one must understand that it laid the foundation for breakdancing; without it, both the merry-go-round and the and Breakers, hip-hop culture itself may not have emerged. 2. Flash's Quick Mix Theory represents the evolution of Herc's merry-go-round concept. What distinguishes Flash's approach is his refinement of the merry-go-round technique, integrating scratching as an instrument while manually mixing tracks simultaneously. 3. The original creator of breaking is Spy, a Puerto Rican. who is confirmed by Herc, Crazy Legs and every real breaker / Bboys ! and Spy Himself to be the first Breaker/Bboys that they ever seen. 4. Julio 204 played a pivotal role in establishing the graffiti movement in New York from 1967 to 1970 and was also Puerto Rican.,,, Taki 189 Himself confirm that his inspiration was by seeing Julio 204 Tags all over New York, Which makes Julio 204 the Beginning of the Tagging / Graffiti movement in New York. 5. Coke La Rock himself said that, The work "Jibaro" by The Puerto Rican Felipe Luciano of the Last Poets served as an inspiration for MCing. The Last Poets were comprised of individuals from African and Caribbean backgrounds, not fba 6. Bambaataa was instrumental in unifying the various elements of hip-hop and establishing the movement itself. Analyzing the contributions, it becomes evident that Caribbean artists were key creators and innovators of hip-hop, a statement grounded in factual evidence rather than personal opinions. Basically, when they say James Brown, or Funk, soul, Jazz, or ect, its all contributions to Hip Hop development, not hip hop creations! just like Salsa, Mambo, Bolero, plena, bomba or ect, its all contributions of developing the sound, thats all it is, because what was actually invented in Hip Hop was the merry-go-round concept, and the Quick Mix Theory concept, the rest of the art forms are rooted to ancient and medieval civilizations our civilizations just added/Contributed or revolutionized those art forms !!! Prior to Herc's introduction of the merry-go-round, all DJs were merely playlist DJs; they did not loop the breaks, Herc invented that concept, which is first element that defined a real hip-hop DJ. which is not the same as a playlist dj, who was some who just play full songs, because if want to go to that direction Dj, Mixing, was created by the radio stations and nightclubs, and the white man created that. not fba This information is well-documented, supported by published accounts, and validated by hip-hop scholars, pioneers, and participants who were present during these pivotal events. The evidence regarding the key figures who instigated significant changes in hip-hop is indisputable and factual and not based on feelings based opinions and delusional lies...
Wrong !!! Herc himself admits he didn’t create hip hop!!! He extended the beats to cater to the break dancers !!!! The first breakers were black crazy legs is on record saying that and calling it the Moreno dance !!!! King Mario and Smokey were extending and cutting beats before Herc !!!
@mansamusa2012 There is no proof of what you are saying all you are saying is feelings based opinions and repeating soundbites which is not grounded in reality and they are not documented facts, No other dj was extending the breaks before Herc inventing the and introducing the concept of the merry-go-round, First of all, the individuals you referenced- Mario, smokey even Flowers, Jones, Mario, and others-were not engaging in looping or repeatedly playing breaks. You yourself noted that they were simply playing entire songs on repeat. This act of continuous playing back a full song does not require a particular skill set; even someone like my grandmother could accomplish it. Continuously playing a song is fundamentally different from looping a break. This distinction aligns with the concept of Herc's merry-go-round, a technique pioneered by Herc that necessitates a level of skill, as it involves manually identifying the loop point of a break sample and manually repeated over and over live, which was perfected and revolutionized by those who came after the merry-go-round, specially by Grandmaster Flash with the Quick Mix Theory, so it means that the blueprint of what is a Hip Hop Dj, was invented and created by Herc and Flash not fba The assertion that those you mentioned were isolating breaks is inaccurate. Mario, Flowers, Jones, and the others were merely replicating what was established by white DJs. The innovations of radio DJs in the 1940s and the nightclub scene of the 1960s included: 1. The term "DJ," which was coined by the white men, not fba 2. The art of turntablism, characterized by the use of two turntables for mixing, blending, and cueing, was also developed by the white men, not FBA..
The person who created "breaking" is a PR by the name of Spy and the streets named him "The Man With A Thousand Moves". Where are the so-called "FBA" breaking "originators"?
Name your Top 5 "breakers" who are brovas from before 1984. Name just ONE so-called "originator" of "breaking" who has proof that he's an "originator". Name your Top 5 brova graffiti writers from NYC during 1968-1970.
Hip hop was united by the pain in the lives of being in the ghetto united with no color our scars of life was our flag unity no race thats why eminem was accepted we didnt see him as a white boy homie could rap but the story poverty life made him be aligned
Wrong! Em came into the culture through Dr. Dre -- if not for an American so-called: "Black/African American", Em would still be in a trailer home dissin' so-called: "Black girls" who never gave him the cheeks and used him for his struggle dollars.
To my fellow Latinos, Let’s address the conversation around hip-hop. Lord Jamar didn’t say Latinos didn’t contribute-he simply stated we didn’t create it. And you know what? That’s okay. Let’s give FBA their well-deserved credit for creating hip-hop and rap. At the end of the day, it’s just music. We have so much more to be proud of as a community. We’ve only been in the U.S. in significant numbers since the ’60s and ’70s, and yet we’ve made remarkable progress. Economically, we’ve surpassed many groups who’ve been here much longer. Latinos own more than 4.7 million businesses in the U.S., generating over $800 billion annually. We're the fastest growing group as our businesses grew by 44% the past decade, compared to 4% growth in non Latino owned businesses. Latinos are leading the country in new homeownership, accounting for 51% of net homeownership gains in recent years. An increasing number of Latino families are entering the middle class, contributing to economic stability. They're are tons of Latinos serving as C.E.O. in major companies.. Latinos have become a driving force in shaping the U.S. economy, with achievements that reflect determination, entrepreneurship, and cultural pride. Let’s focus on that growth and continue flourishing. As for hip-hop, let’s be honest: 95% of it today is negative. It’s spiritually destructive, not uplifting, and it influences kids in ways that don’t build them up. What’s interesting is that Black rappers have drawn inspiration from Latino , Chinese, and Italian cultures for decades without acknowledgment, and we’ve never made it an issue because we’re laid-back like that. Examples of Black rappers inspired by other cultures: lets look at names eirher influenced by Italian mob and Larino drug lord culture . Nas Esco (after Pablo Escobar) AZ Sosa (inspired by Alex Sosa from Scarface) Capone-N-Noreaga (referencing Al Capone and Manuel Noriega) Scarface (self-explanatory) Benny Siegel (after mobster Bugsy Siegel) Daz Dillinger (after outlaw John Dillinger) Snoop Dogg’s “The Doggfather” (a nod to The Godfather) Irv Gotti (inspired by John Gotti) Even Jay-Z, one of the greatest, has made countless references to Medellín, Pablo Escobar, and movies like Carlito’s Way in his music. Wu-Tang Clan, known for blending East Coast hip-hop with Asian culture, drew heavily from Chinese martial arts films and philosophy, evident in their name and aesthetic. Wu-Tang’s Ghostface Killah adopted the name Tony Starks, blending Iron Man and mafia culture. Cuban link chains, a staple in hip-hop fashion, originate from Cuban drug culture in the ’80s. Let’s not forget, even historical Black gangsters like Rick Ross and , Rich Porter , Alpo, AZ had a latino plug.. America, as the melting pot that it is, thrives on borrowing influences from different cultures. For instance: Skateboarding: White kids were skating long before Latinos or Blacks, but by the early 2000s, Black kids embraced skating and started wearing skinny jeans, making it part of their style thabhs to a Little Wayne. Sleeve tattoos: Originally popularized by white rockers in the ’80s and 2000s, sleeve tattoos later became a huge trend among Black rappers and NBA players, showing how style evolves across cultures. So, to any Latino trying to prove your place in hip-hop: save your energy. Why stake your claim in a culture that, let’s be real, often glorifies destruction? Look at how many rap artists have been murdered. What other genre has this level of violence? Let’s focus on what matters which is building our community, uplifting our families, and chasing true success. God bless. 🙏
Backhanded compliments…We see you Sun. As for all of those points you brought up about Latinos (who and what is a Latino?) Amara La Negra and Nick Fuentes are both Latino. So you need to be a little more granular when you’re talking about that subject cause what you wrote is essentially meaningless.
Knock it off with you're antics trying to pander to those fba radicals who would hate your guts regardless, we did help create hip hop and you don't speak for us
I love Cuban Link. And I love my Hispanic Brothers and Sisters who got love for Black People and Black Culture...but arent trying to CLAIM it like they are the ones who FOUNDED it.
I think Cuban spoke about this topic with much respect and he didn’t disrespect his own Latino people in the process either. He was just fair in his assessment. He chose his words carefully the way Joe should have.
If you listen to what Cuban said, he only credits BP for inventing the music aspect of hiphop. He still questions who invented the other aspects of hiphop culture like graffiti and break dancing. That is still wild to me.
Nah I love pun one of my favorites but I dont think he fits the description of a black Latino . But in the song beware the first track he says puerto rock style with a twist of black and I’m proud
I love Cuban but he needs to watch microphone check ! Crazy legs is on record saying they use to call breaking the Moreno dance !!! Of course , he somewhat changed his story a little bit which is why he got put on blast . Bambata is the one who came up with the five elements and input graffiti . There were Rican and white racist gangs who did graffiti but wanted nothing to do with blacks or hip hop
Calling breaking "the moreno dance" doesn't make it true. There's NO PROOF. Who are the false originators of "breaking" that can prove that they created the dance? Watch "Trac2 Breaks His Silence about the Freshest Kids Fiasco". Also, it was 'Rican' and White writers who started the graffiti subculture.
Microphone choke was created by a self proclaimed cherokee Indian called tariq a she, he's a failed rapper pick up artist who got rejected by Latina women so he's got a bone to pick.
What people have a hard time understanding is that all of the Elements of Black Culture existed before the 70s and creation of Hip Hop Breakdancibg existed in Black Culture before Latinos knew what it was Black Culture didn't start in the Bronx Hip Hop is just were all of the Elements meet Caribbeans have a hard time understanding this because they think New York is the center of Black Culture
Cuban Link is no ally to BP. LISTEN TO WHAT HE IS SAYING. He’s doing a lot of double speak. He’s only giving BP credit for the music side of hiphop, not the entire culture. I’m not with that.
HIP HOP WAS NOT RECOGNIZED TO MC SHAN CAME OUT WITH QUEENS BRIDGE KRS CAME BACK WITH THE SOUTH BX AND EVERYONE SCHOOLED ON THE CULTURE. NOW BAMBATA TOOK IT GLOBAL WITH THE RSC WHO WAS MAINLY NEW YORK RICANS.
😂😂😂 I been there done that and there is no way in the world that fat funky white Willy mammoth will be my friend again .. may it’s that you are illiterate or suffer from bologna smokingism or just can’t understand English because everyone else in the class sounds and looks like they got it.. go get yourself checked out cus there’s something definitely wrong with you special Barry ..😎💯😉
NO ONE CREATED SOMETHING THAT ALREADY EXSIST AND HAD NO NAME THE MOVEMENT YES THE BX THEY ADDED GRAFFITI BUT IT WAS ALBOUT THE JAM. THE MUSIC THAT WAS HIP HOP THE REST FOLLOWS STYLE SLANG DANCES ALL BLK AMERICAN
I do with both ya moms lol😂 I think they might have had conceived ya in the crack house when all three of us first started together.. ya moms took their first hit off my bolas and then I had to bend them over so go check your lineage it might lead ya straight to me 😂😂😂😂
But more important, when your next studio album coming out? '05 'Chain Reaction' been a while... u must have gathered some album worthy music the last 20 years.. Move on.. it's a new year, fresh start.. stop bitchin about others online
@pandachopnews well i was a fan during the TS days, loved the 24K album but Chain Reaction was kinda underwhelming imo.. but he focuses too much on UA-cam talking about the same person instead of trying to resurrect his career
That's what I love about Big Pun so much he always acknowledge that black people were The Originators and that his people came from our people he knew that he represented that Fat Joe just wants to be a mouthpiece for somebody but ain't saying nothing about nobody nothing important anyway
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Cuban you are correct, Joe was never respected as a rapper the love and respect was because of Pun.
Favorite Joe song?
@@shermricks7340 As an undergound Hip Hop lover the only thing I didn't like about Joe was about him going mainstream hut I never disrespected or hated him. He is doing his thing. Respect to all DITC and TS members.
Like Fat Joe says, let your darkest moments bring you the most clarity.
Yooo Cuban is right and he’s one of the only few people who has the balls to say it. Fat Joe wouldn’t have been nothing if it wasn’t for him discovering ‘Big Pun’ . Fans of Hip Hop was not checking for Fat Joe after he put out ‘Flow Joe’ . Signing BIG PUN and having ‘PUN’ write his raps put him in position and the craziest part about this whole thing is that JOE gets on the Breakfast Club telling Charlamagne he stopped his career to help BIG PUN out lmao 😂 😂…..😅😂😂😂 😂😂
Sir cuban link has been right about fat joe for years
Aint no grey area black american were the originators on hip hop. Latino were early contributors
Doesnt matter at the end of the day bc its a colorless culture today like it or not
Thats a fact. I been telling people this and they feel some kinda way about it. The partthat'ss aggravating is him trying to say the DJ.That's us. Break dancin, that's us. Trixie and Sasa thr 1st break dancers are Black. The 1st graffiti artist cornbread. He is from Philly and he's Black. The entire thing was made by us. Latino people were put in from the movies. Hip hop got a name in the 70s. It's our culture that we shared. Do not try to tell us about our history. The term rap comes from us. Hispanic people have absolutely no creation in it. They came in later in the 70s. Early 80s. There wasn't always peace between Latinos and Blacks. This is why the issues between us on rikers island between Latin kings and Black people. The problem I have is with immigrants coming here to tell us about what we did and created before they arrived. Listen to what we are saying and STOP trying to claim creation. It's going to make it were we start pushing other people out, period. If we went to DR PR or Cuba and tried to say this is what happened in 1930s and this is what it is. No we have no say in that. Even if we moved to Cuba in the 1900s. You know why. Cause we not Cuban and we not from Cuba. Joe is making it bad for all Latinos. Because the Latinos are backing him up on some levels. And more Latinos need to come out and speak the truth, or it's going to get crazy.
big pun even said his biggest song was a thank you to black people for accepting him
The issue we have is that FBA’s don’t want to give us the credit for our contributions. Y’all trying to dismiss us like we didn’t help grow this thing called Hip Hop that we all love.
No, creators get it straight
The beats used in hip hop came from black American genres.
Really? Not the beats created in the early 80s by white producers.
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I’m a Nuyorican which is different and we were early contributors but make no mistake black American culture was alive and well and are the original influences. Along the way we added to it.
Where do you think the difference of opinion is coming from?
No we help created it
Learn about the origin of the real style of "breaking", and about the start of graffiti as a subculture in NYC. You'll be surprised.
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Breakin' was started by the so-called: "Black/African Americans." The immigrants are trying to cash in on what was already here!!!!
Yall added nothing but a fan base they used yall to gentrify our culture nothing new. We ain't for it 2025 the sleeping giant Saif fi fy faux bums the time for parasitic cosplaying is done. P.s I contributed to my culture.
Fat joe should do a dna test
It’s gonna trace back to moby dick,polar bears, and Willy mammoths that’s why he’s the pale beluga whale now!! 😂😂
You guys need to get a podcast set.with pandas investigative journalism and cubans knowledge and controversy of the rap game would make you guys a power house. Maybe interview artists and djs old ,new, underground exc. Yall need to be in the same room so we can feel the vibe yall give off together.. blessings 💪🏼
Truth teller 💯
Black Americans Created it and Everyone else helped decorate it. 💯
Good way to phrase it
@pandachopnews Thank You Beloved💯
It’s so crazy and backwards that when you tell the truth that you’re wrong and crazy…this is what this country was built on LIES so Cuban I support u my brother cause that’s why they shut u out or black balled you or whatever u wanna call its cause u told the truth and they don’t like it RESPECT!🇯🇲
Especially in this day and age. The masses don’t respect the real. They respect who will ENTERTAIN them and Joe is entertaining with his stories and lies.
Black Americans CREATED hiphop.. The Puerto Ricans helped elevate hiphop to the mainstream level where it is at Today... Learn the Difference between CREATION and Participation
I wouldn’t even say they elevated it mainstream!! I haven’t seen proof of that
@erickellam8237 They helped pushed the culture to where it's at with the break dancing and Graffiti.. the main star of the movie Wild Style was Puerto Rican. Crazy Legs and Rock Steady Crew in the movie Beat Street.. also made a huge impact to the point break dancing is now in the Olympics. Black Americans created all the elements of hiphop but they took it ran with it and did a incredible job helping us to get it out there.
Puerto Ricans pushed breakdancing and graffiti to where it’s at today??? Could’ve sworn as early as the 20’s/30’s there was footage of BLACK Americans breakdancing. It’s not too late to edit this comment bro. Black Americans created AND pushed the culture to where it was. End of story.
@@HI-DEF100 Read the comment above I sent to Erickellam... To get some understanding.. you should've read it before you made your comment
@@dabouncer4585 you’re wrong bro. Nobody “pushed” anything to the masses except BLACK AMERICANS. You’re coming off mad disrespectful and you’re wrong here. 🤷🏽
Yo Cuban, why do you think it is so hard for other cultures or ethnicities to give credit to black people?
I think it’s because Latinos are very proud people and it hurts their ego to love another’s culture
It's not.
@@mansamusa2012They should be proud of their OWN ish. Not trying to claim the cultures of others.
Because money takes over their once love honor and integrity for the black culture. And since even black folk sold the main pillars in hip hop like def jam b.e.t ect.. it makes others follow that mantra
@@CubanLink24K why are you pandering to those fba radicals who would hate your guts regardless
Cuban spoke the facts and even though it took all of this to give understanding how he felt Fat Joe did his bro Big Pun he kept up the fight. See you gotta look past the mountains to see the eagles they keep rising to the top maybe Big Pun cracked a smile knowing Cuban wasn’t gonna let him get away with it, How you treat your folks means everything to us we all we got🙏🏾💯
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black people started all elements of hip hop including dancing/breaking and grafiti. cuban link need to do more research.
They/you did not start "breaking". That's a falsehood. NO PROOF.
They/you did not start graffiti either.
Exactly. He has a lot of nerve.
Him and Joe are two sides of the same coin.
FActs
He admitted he came after so how would he know if they invited breakdancing 😂🤣😭🤡
The history is being taught with evidence.
He thinks he’s slick. And a bunch of BP in the comments thinking he’s their friend.
Panda gotta get Lord jamar & cuba to debate about hiphop history & culture
Jafar thinks that the earth is flat and thinks dinosaurs never existed, he's not credible for anything
I agree with Cuban on many points here, he nailed a few of them precisely. In my opinion, Hip-Hop as a movement and culture truly came to life when all four core elements merged, accompanied by the iconic words of Keith Cowboy: HIP HOP! While there’s plenty of debate about when individual elements like rapping were introduced-whether by Pigmeat Markham, James Brown, the Fatback Band, or others-the essence of Hip-Hop lies in the collective presence of all the elements.
Hip-Hop isn’t defined by a single element; it’s the fusion of DJing, dancing, rapping/emceeing, and graffiti. Pinpointing the exact moment when all these elements converged is an incredibly complex task. For instance, while many consider 1973 to be Hip-Hop’s birth year, I question whether all the elements were present at Herc’s party. Was graffiti there? Rapping? The dancing, sure-but was the breakbeat even extended that day? These questions show how subjective and layered this debate is.
Given this complexity, I believe it’s impossible to definitively determine a true date to it's start and even whether Puerto Ricans co-created Hip-Hop alongside our Black brothers and sisters based on these historical nuances alone. What’s clear is that Hip-Hop has always been about unity and having a good time. Despite its darker moments, the ultimate goal was to bring people together through a shared love for the culture.
Oh additionally I truly feel that one of the biggest reasons why music has taken a turn in another direction is to keep people off guard and outside of their square, it's so much easier to control the masses if you allow them to think they have control of things and keep them dumb and fighting against one another. The most dangerous thing in the world is a person who truly does the knowledge of what is really going on and who thinks for themselves. That's what THEY* are afraid of.
@@schemesupreme7deep my bro scheme!! Knowledge is power
Cuban is an Intelligent Dude. The more I listen to him the more I see hes actually sharp.
💯💯💯 I think people overlook him cuz they allow the times he goes off to represent him but Cuban got a lot of layers to him. You just gotta listen.
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Cuban is not only talented but very intelligent and a genuine, solid and good brother, I know this personally.
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He has more talent than Sloppy Joe.
We come from the crack era...rap was a way out for us...'80 Harlem
Cuban needs to get that get back for the Jimmy’s Bronx Cafe incident.
One thing I always wondered was why Joe gave Sunkiss a rematch at the park but he never gave Cuban a fair one on one
Joe fucked sunkiss up at the park apparently
And panda find sunkiss and macho, that's an order! 2025 time to get them exclusives!!
@@pandachopnews nigga please cuban still got no explanation for getting hooked off by bx hova n not throwing back, what u gotta say about that lmaoo ill wait. cuban a chatty patty all talk no walk
@@AgonyShorts i doubt them brothas are gonna want to speak. People are afraid of Joe man
1. The concept of the "Merry-Go-Round," as invented by Herc, symbolizes the idea of looping or repeating breaks. This technique is fundamental to the identity of a hip-hop DJ. To fully appreciate the significance of Herc's merry-go-round, one must understand that it laid the foundation for breakdancing; without it, both the merry-go-round and the and Breakers, hip-hop culture itself may not have emerged.
2. Flash's Quick Mix Theory represents the evolution of Herc's merry-go-round concept. What distinguishes Flash's approach is his refinement of the merry-go-round technique, integrating scratching as an instrument while manually mixing tracks simultaneously.
3. The original creator of breaking is Spy, a Puerto Rican. who is confirmed by Herc, Crazy Legs and every real breaker / Bboys ! and Spy Himself to be the first Breaker/Bboys that they ever seen.
4. Julio 204 played a pivotal role in establishing the graffiti movement in New York from 1967 to 1970 and was also Puerto Rican.,,, Taki 189 Himself confirm that his inspiration was by seeing Julio 204 Tags all over New York, Which makes Julio 204 the Beginning of the Tagging / Graffiti movement in New York.
5. Coke La Rock himself said that, The work "Jibaro" by The Puerto Rican Felipe Luciano of the Last Poets served as an inspiration for MCing. The Last Poets were comprised of individuals from African and Caribbean backgrounds, not fba
6. Bambaataa was instrumental in unifying the various elements of hip-hop and establishing the movement itself. Analyzing the contributions, it becomes evident that Caribbean artists were key creators and innovators of hip-hop, a statement grounded in factual evidence rather than personal opinions.
Basically, when they say James Brown, or Funk, soul, Jazz, or ect, its all contributions to Hip Hop development, not hip hop creations!
just like Salsa, Mambo, Bolero, plena, bomba or ect, its all contributions of developing the sound, thats all it is, because what was actually invented in Hip Hop was the merry-go-round concept, and the Quick Mix Theory concept, the rest of the art forms are rooted to ancient and medieval civilizations our civilizations just added/Contributed or revolutionized those art forms !!!
Prior to Herc's introduction of the merry-go-round, all DJs were merely playlist DJs; they did not loop the breaks, Herc invented that concept, which is first element that defined a real hip-hop DJ. which is not the same as a playlist dj, who was some who just play full songs, because if want to go to that direction Dj, Mixing, was created by the radio stations and nightclubs, and the white man created that. not fba
This information is well-documented, supported by published accounts, and validated by hip-hop scholars, pioneers, and participants who were present during these pivotal events. The evidence regarding the key figures who instigated significant changes in hip-hop is indisputable and factual and not based on feelings based opinions and delusional lies...
Wrong !!! Herc himself admits he didn’t create hip hop!!! He extended the beats to cater to the break dancers !!!! The first breakers were black crazy legs is on record saying that and calling it the Moreno dance !!!!
King Mario and Smokey were extending and cutting beats before Herc !!!
@mansamusa2012 There is no proof of what you are saying all you are saying is feelings based opinions and repeating soundbites which is not grounded in reality and they are not documented facts, No other dj was extending the breaks before Herc inventing the and introducing the concept of the merry-go-round,
First of all, the individuals you referenced- Mario, smokey even Flowers, Jones, Mario, and others-were not engaging in looping or repeatedly playing breaks. You yourself noted that they were simply playing entire songs on repeat. This act of continuous playing back a full song does not require a particular skill set; even someone like my grandmother could accomplish it. Continuously playing a song is fundamentally different from looping a break. This distinction aligns with the concept of Herc's merry-go-round, a technique pioneered by Herc that necessitates a level of skill, as it involves manually identifying the loop point of a break sample and manually repeated over and over live, which was perfected and revolutionized by those who came after the merry-go-round, specially by Grandmaster Flash with the Quick Mix Theory, so it means that the blueprint of what is a Hip Hop Dj, was invented and created by Herc and Flash not fba
The assertion that those you mentioned were isolating breaks is inaccurate. Mario, Flowers, Jones, and the others were merely replicating what was established by white DJs. The innovations of radio DJs in the 1940s and the nightclub scene of the 1960s included:
1. The term "DJ," which was coined by the white men, not fba
2. The art of turntablism, characterized by the use of two turntables for mixing, blending, and cueing, was also developed by the white men, not FBA..
Top 5 Puerto Ricans ain't even heard of
The person who created "breaking" is a PR by the name of Spy and the streets named him "The Man With A Thousand Moves". Where are the so-called "FBA" breaking "originators"?
You probably thing lil wayne is the best rapper
Spy, JEC*, Joe 182, Henry 161, Cay 161
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It definitely wasn't an immigrant S-pic creation or 50/50 bs.
Name your Top 5 "breakers" who are brovas from before 1984. Name just ONE so-called "originator" of "breaking" who has proof that he's an "originator". Name your Top 5 brova graffiti writers from NYC during 1968-1970.
Latinos had NOTHING to do with break dancing
Joe cap the don...much success to cuban...
Hip hop was united by the pain in the lives of being in the ghetto united with no color our scars of life was our flag unity no race thats why eminem was accepted we didnt see him as a white boy homie could rap but the story poverty life made him be aligned
Wrong! Em came into the culture through Dr. Dre -- if not for an American so-called: "Black/African American", Em would still be in a trailer home dissin' so-called: "Black girls" who never gave him the cheeks and used him for his struggle dollars.
Blessings 🐼 .. 💯
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Name a Latino that created rap, hiphop, or break dancing? I mean we can name mostly all the black folks that did it.
Yo Panda, can you interview DJ Phase?
To my fellow Latinos,
Let’s address the conversation around hip-hop. Lord Jamar didn’t say Latinos didn’t contribute-he simply stated we didn’t create it. And you know what? That’s okay.
Let’s give FBA their well-deserved credit for creating hip-hop and rap. At the end of the day, it’s just music. We have so much more to be proud of as a community.
We’ve only been in the U.S. in significant numbers since the ’60s and ’70s, and yet we’ve made remarkable progress. Economically, we’ve surpassed many groups who’ve been here much longer.
Latinos own more than 4.7 million businesses in the U.S., generating over $800 billion annually. We're the fastest growing group as our businesses grew by 44% the past decade, compared to 4% growth in non Latino owned businesses.
Latinos are leading the country in new homeownership, accounting for 51% of net homeownership gains in recent years. An increasing number of Latino families are entering the middle class, contributing to economic stability. They're are tons of Latinos serving as C.E.O. in major companies..
Latinos have become a driving force in shaping the U.S. economy, with achievements that reflect determination, entrepreneurship, and cultural pride.
Let’s focus on that growth and continue flourishing.
As for hip-hop, let’s be honest: 95% of it today is negative. It’s spiritually destructive, not uplifting, and it influences kids in ways that don’t build them up.
What’s interesting is that Black rappers have drawn inspiration from Latino , Chinese, and Italian cultures for decades without acknowledgment, and we’ve never made it an issue because we’re laid-back like that.
Examples of Black rappers inspired by other cultures: lets look at names eirher influenced by Italian mob and Larino drug lord culture .
Nas Esco (after Pablo Escobar)
AZ Sosa (inspired by Alex Sosa from Scarface)
Capone-N-Noreaga (referencing Al Capone and Manuel Noriega)
Scarface (self-explanatory)
Benny Siegel (after mobster Bugsy Siegel)
Daz Dillinger (after outlaw John Dillinger)
Snoop Dogg’s “The Doggfather” (a nod to The Godfather)
Irv Gotti (inspired by John Gotti)
Even Jay-Z, one of the greatest, has made countless references to Medellín, Pablo Escobar, and movies like Carlito’s Way in his music.
Wu-Tang Clan, known for blending East Coast hip-hop with Asian culture, drew heavily from Chinese martial arts films and philosophy, evident in their name and aesthetic.
Wu-Tang’s Ghostface Killah adopted the name Tony Starks, blending Iron Man and mafia culture.
Cuban link chains, a staple in hip-hop fashion, originate from Cuban drug culture in the ’80s.
Let’s not forget, even historical Black gangsters like Rick Ross and , Rich Porter , Alpo, AZ had a latino plug..
America, as the melting pot that it is, thrives on borrowing influences from different cultures. For instance:
Skateboarding: White kids were skating long before Latinos or Blacks, but by the early 2000s, Black kids embraced skating and started wearing skinny jeans, making it part of their style thabhs to a Little Wayne.
Sleeve tattoos: Originally popularized by white rockers in the ’80s and 2000s, sleeve tattoos later became a huge trend among Black rappers and NBA players, showing how style evolves across cultures.
So, to any Latino trying to prove your place in hip-hop: save your energy. Why stake your claim in a culture that, let’s be real, often glorifies destruction? Look at how many rap artists have been murdered. What other genre has this level of violence?
Let’s focus on what matters which is building our community, uplifting our families, and chasing true success.
God bless. 🙏
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Backhanded compliments…We see you Sun. As for all of those points you brought up about Latinos (who and what is a Latino?) Amara La Negra and Nick Fuentes are both Latino. So you need to be a little more granular when you’re talking about that subject cause what you wrote is essentially meaningless.
Knock it off with you're antics trying to pander to those fba radicals who would hate your guts regardless, we did help create hip hop and you don't speak for us
"FBA" did not create "breaking". NO PROOF! It's a falsehood. "FBA" did not create the graffiti subculture in NYC.
"FBA" did not create "breaking". NO PROOF. "FBA" did not create the graffiti subculture.
I love Cuban Link. And I love my Hispanic Brothers and Sisters who got love for Black People and Black Culture...but arent trying to CLAIM it like they are the ones who FOUNDED it.
I think Cuban spoke about this topic with much respect and he didn’t disrespect his own Latino people in the process either. He was just fair in his assessment. He chose his words carefully the way Joe should have.
We help found it, and will NEVER deviate from this fact
@@javiervega1065 y'all help BUILD it. There's a difference. You still don't get it.
If you listen to what Cuban said, he only credits BP for inventing the music aspect of hiphop. He still questions who invented the other aspects of hiphop culture like graffiti and break dancing. That is still wild to me.
Pun was afro Caribbean fat Joe is 100 white Cuban- Puerto Rican different
Nah I love pun one of my favorites but I dont think he fits the description of a black Latino . But in the song beware the first track he says puerto rock style with a twist of black and I’m proud
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Pun had some black admixture it seems because his mom look like she had some
They both are spaniard and proud of there roots from spain.
@javiervega1065 😭🤣
Cuban Link is a real ally. Salute.
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No, he isn’t.
Alot of people took part in the creation of hip hop not just blacks the culture is supposed to transcend race and religion.
I love Cuban but he needs to watch microphone check ! Crazy legs is on record saying they use to call breaking the Moreno dance !!! Of course , he somewhat changed his story a little bit which is why he got put on blast .
Bambata is the one who came up with the five elements and input graffiti . There were Rican and white racist gangs who did graffiti but wanted nothing to do with blacks or hip hop
Calling breaking "the moreno dance" doesn't make it true. There's NO PROOF. Who are the false originators of "breaking" that can prove that they created the dance? Watch "Trac2 Breaks His Silence about the Freshest Kids Fiasco". Also, it was 'Rican' and White writers who started the graffiti subculture.
Microphone choke was created by a self proclaimed cherokee Indian called tariq a she, he's a failed rapper pick up artist who got rejected by Latina women so he's got a bone to pick.
I do I need to watch that joint soon I will I’m sure it’s dope and I will learn alot from it
@@CubanLink24K Watch "Interview with Spy (a.k.a. Lein Figueroa)" to find out what the creator of "breaking" has to say.
He’s a liar and a colonizer just like Joe. Plain and simple.
He’s trying to play on BP’s emotions to gain support for himself.
Thanks, the truth being told❤
What people have a hard time understanding is that all of the Elements of Black Culture existed before the 70s and creation of Hip Hop
Breakdancibg existed in Black Culture before Latinos knew what it was
Black Culture didn't start in the Bronx
Hip Hop is just were all of the Elements meet
Caribbeans have a hard time understanding this because they think New York is the center of Black Culture
Cuban Link is no ally to BP. LISTEN TO WHAT HE IS SAYING.
He’s doing a lot of double speak. He’s only giving BP credit for the music side of hiphop, not the entire culture.
I’m not with that.
Cubaaa 💯 Blessings
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HIP HOP WAS NOT RECOGNIZED TO MC SHAN CAME OUT WITH QUEENS BRIDGE
KRS CAME BACK WITH THE SOUTH BX
AND EVERYONE SCHOOLED ON THE CULTURE.
NOW BAMBATA TOOK IT GLOBAL WITH THE RSC WHO WAS MAINLY
NEW YORK RICANS.
Top 1000 ain't even heard of
Hit me up cuban
💯%@ll fact Cuban link
Pun thanked us black people RIP
RIP Pun
this dude is rambling because he has nothing to offer, just wants to down fat joe
😂😂😂 I been there done that and there is no way in the world that fat funky white Willy mammoth will be my friend again .. may it’s that you are illiterate or suffer from bologna smokingism or just can’t understand English because everyone else in the class sounds and looks like they got it.. go get yourself checked out cus there’s something definitely wrong with you special Barry ..😎💯😉
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@@barrybarry-b5h Barry on my balls and autumn on my scrotom .. smh 🤦🏽♂️
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I respect how Cuban is approaching the topic but he's not well informed. Someone tell the man to watch Microphone Check.
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NO ONE CREATED SOMETHING THAT ALREADY EXSIST AND HAD NO NAME
THE MOVEMENT YES
THE BX
THEY ADDED GRAFFITI
BUT IT WAS ALBOUT THE JAM.
THE MUSIC
THAT WAS HIP HOP
THE REST FOLLOWS
STYLE SLANG DANCES ALL BLK AMERICAN
Wtf is he saying😂
Cuban smokes rock
I do with both ya moms lol😂 I think they might have had conceived ya in the crack house when all three of us first started together.. ya moms took their first hit off my bolas and then I had to bend them over so go check your lineage it might lead ya straight to me 😂😂😂😂
But more important, when your next studio album coming out? '05 'Chain Reaction' been a while... u must have gathered some album worthy music the last 20 years.. Move on.. it's a new year, fresh start.. stop bitchin about others online
Are you a fan of Cuban and just don’t like him talking about Joe? I just notice you comment on a lot of his videos
@pandachopnews well i was a fan during the TS days, loved the 24K album but Chain Reaction was kinda underwhelming imo.. but he focuses too much on UA-cam talking about the same person instead of trying to resurrect his career
Fat Joe s top mc ? Really
😂😂😂 top mc as for Master Cheater 😂
That's what I love about Big Pun so much he always acknowledge that black people were The Originators and that his people came from our people he knew that he represented that Fat Joe just wants to be a mouthpiece for somebody but ain't saying nothing about nobody nothing important anyway