Should you buy a 2023 BYD Atto 3 electric car in Australia? | Auto Expert John Cadogan
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As i am a new atto3 owner I can inject some facts into the conversation. Picked up my 60kw battery car up in Sydney and drove to Coopers shoot near Ballina on the north coast NSW. Travelled at the the legal speed limit all the way. Did 390 km from 60kw of battery. Cost me nothing from free nrma charging all the way (Nabiac, Port Macquarie, Grafton). Took me 2.5 hrs longer in the trip than I normally took in my ice vehicles. I have made this trip dozens of time. Since then (nearly 4 weeks) I have averaged 440km per 60 kw from short 10 to 30km trips. All charged free from my solar panels. Cost of vehicle on the road from my pocket was $45,350 not $50,000. Lots of speculation and uninformed opinion in this video. Stick to the facts and enjoy dingo piss creek with the rest of the .05% of the population who travel there and enjoy paying the $3-$4 per litre for fuel while you are there.
Paul Gannon
How did u get urs at $45k were there incentives?
@@forzer456 Isaac in NSW there is no stamp duty on a new ev and you are also eligible for a $3,000 rebate from the state government.
@@paulgannon7479 thanks for the info, from the range ur getting I’m pleasantly surprise cause I just estimated the car would get a solid 350km and anything above was a bonus.
Thanks for sharing Paul. How’s the car going in Ballina? I’m in Lismore and mine comes in January🤞🏼. I’m really excited to see those driving figures you’re talking about, for me more than acceptable for the price. When you look into it closely you can spend up to 70,000 to get the same features and safety technology & battery it’s a BYD Atto3👍🏼👍🏼 yes you need to wait a bit longer when charging, but that’s how it is. Hopefully in reality you doing 200 k’s a day I can get home and I plug it into my wall portable socket and it’ll be charged in the morning. When I go on holiday as you did you just arrange your stopping points and have a nice break with the family.
How’s the charging going in real life. Does that charging station in Ballina work well with the BYD? How long does it take to charge?
Any complaints driving on our Northern Rivers roads? How is the acceleration, is it ‘good’ going around corners, does the cruise control technology & distance, speed, stop go settings & features and their lane assist technology work well on our rods, I presume BRUXNER hwy from Ballina to Lismore should be terrific to drive???!!!?? Nice roads and clearing marked for the lane assist feature nearly the whole way should be ideal conditions for this technology and more 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼?
The M1 is good but some of the other roads (not including SOME OF THE BRUXNER Hwy) are horrific, you can put a can of coke in the pot holes and you still can’t see it LOL.
Thanks for sharing, congratulations on your new car which I hope it is running perfectly and you’re loving it & you’re happy with Northern Rivers driving conditions!!!!!
Congrats on your shitbox mate
Mate, once you try an EV, you'll be amazed and forget most of the concerns.
I love watching UA-cam videos when they go Kaboom.
@@robinatorsmith you will not have to wait as long for your "kaboom moment" with an ice vehicle. Good luck.
Like anything, buy what suits your agenda. Don't buy a small sedan to go through the outback on dirt roads, don't buy a Hummer to do your shopping twice a week. We can use EVs on the East coast in Queensland because there is a charging network along the Bruce Highway and servos and shopping centres have chargers as well. Do 300km, stop for a pee and coffee ,maybe a bit of food and charge the car while doing this.
i took a drive to Seaford Meadows just the other the day i took forever from north east Adelaide the best thing i found was Winter’s Burgers very tasty
Another brutally honest review, John.
The info on BYD and EV suitability was also great.
BYD by all accounts is a great car from feedback from other overseas markets and hearing from Chinese contacts living in Australia. The issue in Australia is the distributor and the Eagers tax imho.
Point of order John. When you are old enough, Dingo Shit Creek would totally be flowing🤣🤣
Ernie has been up it a number of times, without a paddle, over the years
Subbed! Found you by mistake. I like it. From West Virginia USA
one thing I can say is the interior build quality is surprisingly impressive, at least for the models on display in the showroom. Both BYD models had basically flawless build quality and materials feel, and it really impressed me when sitting in them (something that cannot be said for Tesla 🤣)
John, a lovely gateau of irony and sarcasm with moist layers of mock cream. Build Your Desert.
It looks nice, surely it will taste as good as it looks? We've all got bits of Chinese engineering decaying in our yards from last week's trip to Bunning's. I recently bought a flexible shovel, it has a torque buffer built into the handle and a blade designed to bend around soil and root's.
Enjoy the apostrophes.
Tesla, BYD, Polestar. What do these 3 makes have in common aside from John's thumbs down?
They are all direct to customer sales - no dealership model. All buyers pay an identical price. Now you have to wonder why John, a man who makes his living getting 'deals' on new cars by playing dealerships against each other, would so frequently recommend buyers against these brands?
Hiring a vehicle for visits to Dingo Shit Creek is my suggestion. Perhaps one of those MG electric vehicles for a daily runabout?
Finally you do a vid on BYD. Interested to hear your thoughts
You can buy an electric. Rent a diesel for those outback trips?
Right tools for the right job. I bought a Tesla Model 3 Long range for my wife mainly for the extra range but also because of the AWD and performance. Could have got away with the standard range because so far we have never used more than 50% of the range and I have only used a public charger once just to see how it works.
Just plug it in when you get home and when you are ready to leave the next time you have a full charge, no "oh shit, I forget its empty, we need to stop at the servo, we are going to be late"
If we do go on a long trip I would not want to be arsed with tracking down working public chargers and planning my trip, we use my Prado.
Very wise my friend
As tesla and the muskrat and all the other EV makers
Forget that EVs have limits and aren't for everyone
Tho you won't find that in the show room brochure in the sales room
It's actually quite dangerous not informing people wanting to buy a EV
Especially if you and your family get stuck out in the middle of nowhere with a flat battery or its shit its self
How many people carry extra water / food and survival gear ?
Why would you risk taking your 80 grand tesla on a unsealed or gravel road or track past the black stump?
In the middle of 4 degree summer day
Yet if your route goes past Tesla Superchargers, its relatively easy compared to other EV brands.
Sound philosophy.
@@yggdrasil9039 you don't have to be a philosopher to work out common sense from all the lies and propaganda
Tiil there is recharging stations all over the place including in rural areas
And EVs become as cheap or cheaper than Petrol / diesel equivalents
Plus be able to tow a trailer
EVs are nothing but a statis symbol for people who can afford to spend 80 grand on a EV
@@waynehewett4017 A smart phone is not a status symbol. It just works better and superceded push button phones. The same is going to happen with EVs. EV range is improving every year, power at towing is way better than diesel from a standing start, and the cost next year 2023 will drop below $40k for a new EV (currently it's $44k for base model Atto 3 or MG ZS driveaway, not 80k. Even a Tesla isn't 80k for RWD base model.)
The re original poster's post he said he uses EV for short trips and his Prado for long trips. Last time I checked Prado was an ICE vehicle which is a SOUND PHILOSOPHY for the current situation with charging stations in rural areas - as you acknowledge.
I'd say even better if you can only afford a single vehicle is to get a PHEV.
Absolutely love your videos Mr Cadogan 😄
BYD is also using the Eaggers dealership network, not just MyCar. There’s no problem with BYD - one of the biggest auto manufacturers in the world - they sold more “new energy” vehicles than anyone in the world this year. We just don’t hear about it because it’s in China. In China they are considered a much better vehicle than the MG. It’s EV Direct who are the problem - as you pointed out changing warranties, using MyCar and the subsequent absurd service schedule and costs. You summed up KMart Auto/MyCar nicely - hope they don’t sue!
Yes BYD should be good. Biggest EV seller in the world and 2nd biggest maker of batteries. Critically leaders in lithium ferro phosphate tech which is where the market is headed in the non premium segment because it’s much cheaper
BYD buses are totally rubbish ,body rattles ,poor steering and the list goes on ,these buses cost 900000 each ,so I cannot see a BYD costing 40000 is going to last !!!
I think the point John's point is not so much that BYD isn't a serious company but that they are not established in the Australian market and don't have much of a presence here. Given they have little outlay in Australia (no dealerships) they could decide to exit the Australian market at the drop of a hat and the owners of their vehicles would be left stranded.
Spot on. BYD should have adopted Tesla's operating model where you don't need dealers, and reduce servicing to faults-only.
@@ryanburr8419 all true but every new brand is new at some point. BYD is launching all over the world outside of China at the moment. I think in New Zealand they have appointed dealers though. The worst thing is the stupid build your dreams badge on the back.
The T-Shirt is awesome, everyone needs a Veloci Raptor.
Yesssssssssssss
Hey John,
MyCar is separated from Kmart after the sale as bought by Continental AG just FYI.
They are also getting a retraining program for EV mechanics in partnership with Kangan Institute here in Melbourne.
Unless I'm mistaken the BYD can charge 120kW-150kW DC depending on the model, so that's a full charge for a 60kWh battery for the Extended range in about 25-30 minutes. Tesla v4 supercharger, and 800V architecture in Porsches, Ioniqs, Xpeng and others which can handle 270kW, 350kW and 480kW respectively makes possible a 200km topup in as little as 5 minutes. The idea that you can't do a road trip in an EV because you have to continually stop for hours to recharge is quickly losing relevance.
Show me the 150kW DC fast charger in the GAFA...
@@AutoExpertJC I dunno where GAFA is John but there's a 150kW Ampcharge Ampol charger in Alexandria. And they have a few stormwater drains and canals in Alexandria that could probably pass for DSCreek.
Point taken though. Rural charging in Aus is currently not exactly great.
I think after years of proven EV taxi and fleet range sold and running with great success in China, now in Europe, the fact Tesla are buying the batteries, Toyota are having the new EV COROLLA build by BYD are all encouraging facts🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 thanks for sharing, stay safe and healthy 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼🇦🇺
I found Kmart TnA to be really good, they were expensive, but they did everything by the book in my experience. (I worked as a mechanic for a couple of years, so I know what to expect) Everything I had them do was spot on.
Agreed
My experience with them was one of headache and tear,
You meant ‘MyCar’?
The above ground graveyard is originally from the great Spike Millican and he was referring to Woy Woy, thanks for this Fridays session
This one cracked me up :) Your evaluation on the Atto3 range appears spot on John based on owner feedback on the Facebook forum.
Cracked me up too and I'm the stupid bunny who posed the question
BYD seem to have their fingers in a lot of pies. There's a hundred or so BYD electric buses running around Sydney and more on the way.
Their buses are running in Germany as well .....
Such good advice. This is why I love my Mitsubishi PHEV with 50km electric range to get to sexiland and petrol to drive the Newell to Brisbane. 😀
PHEV is actually the best of all worlds. It's the most efficient, practical and greenest form of motorised 4 wheel personal transport. And yes, EV's are less green and less practical than PHEVs.
PHEV is actually the best of all worlds. It's the most efficient, practical and greenest form of motorised 4 wheel personal transport. And yes, EV's are less green and less practical than PHEVs.
BYD started to make cars in my hometown around 2003 when they purchased a production line making Suzuki Autos. Yeah internal combustion cars. The first mass produced model, F3, basically copied the Toyota Corolla at that time, and was the taxi used in my hometown. Needless to say they do know how to build cars. BYD was aiming at EV back at that time, and started to build petrol cars so they know how to do so.
They are not good at making premium cars, but they do have longer experience building EVs than SAIC(MG/HAVAL et. al) and their compact cars is quite good for the value.
Their latest Seal model seems like a very very nice car 👍
BYD is very smart and they're specifically targetting the budget market which is BY FAR the largest segment of the market where Toyota rules globally in ICE sector but there was an empty spot for EVs where BYD came into play. it's already taking over Chinese market now if you see the numbers and soon it's coming for you too
The BYD product looks pretty good. BYD have been let down by EVDirect with their overpriced servicing and piecemeal warranty.
I'd wait for the MG4 or updated MG ZS EV. An established dealer network, full 7 year bumper to bumper warranty, they're a known quantity.
EVDirect have muddied the waters with changes to warranty after customers have put down a deposit. Wouldn't trust them at all.
I agree. The MGs are looking pretty good, but I'm keen to see what GWM brings to the table as well (haven't heard anything bad about their other stuff).
That is correct!
It's very tempting but I think I'll wait for a couple of upgrades cycles and hope inflation doesn't eat away it's biggest pro 'price' and although it's subjective hopefully they'll tone down the interior as it's not for me.
I used to regularly ‘put away’ a hot bogan and her sister in Port Living Cemetary - back in the day. T’was well worth the drive from Ballarat.
Hay John, we have been to Dingo Piss Creek often enough. I am looking forward to going Wombat Dung Flat to check out all the fresh cubes.
I own an old Corolla and a newish Santa Fe (diesel). Corolla is a shopping trolley. Santa Fe for the trip to Dingo Piss Creek I have them serviced and repairs done at the relative dealers at North Lakes QLD. Never had any issues with either dealer. You only get what you pay for.
Loved the explanation of suburbs/towns around Australia for our out of town listener, quality Side tracks. Maybe you need a second channel for them.
John could get a side gig as a writer for Shit Towns Of Australia.
BYD still have some things to sort out. Currently no ANCAP rating, The GPS currently not functional awaiting a future software upgrade.
All will be sorted out by the end of October 2022 at the latest
John’s smirk at 19:00 … gets me, uncontrollable laughter due to “you can’t carry the water for the f’king fish” lolol 😂,
I completely disagree with your thoughts on Mycar. I’ve personally worked for the company for 22 years and know most people at most stores in the Sydney area. If anyone is caught doing anything dodgy they’re hoofed out the door. The reason for the name change is because we were bought by continental tyres, there for could no longer use the Kmart name as it is owned by Wesfarmers. There have been dodgy things done in the company, and they usually get caught and fired.
Adelaide is a cemetery? I guess if you get off on the sort of entertainment Sydney is famous for then you are going to get bored in Adelaide but you are also going to end up with 5 ex wives. Sydney was of course founded by convicts and they are still running the show whereas Adelaide was settled by free settlers so it might seem a bit different but ultimately I know which of the two cities smells the most like a cemetery. (One where the bodies haven’t been buried deep enough) Maybe that’s what Sydney needs, more EV,s and cleaner air? Or just less bodies?
Better not visit Adelaide them otherwise you might become a unsuspecting victim.
Beautiful response...Adelaide rocks 😊
The free settled Utopia of South Australia is magnificent, unlike those convict heritage states!!
DC genset? could these become available? no needing an inverter from DC to AC to charge, Therefore the EV is charged direct DC at higher amps?
Could there be a genset be fueled by diesel?
Was wondering when you would look at this one👍 well done.
Well you can thank me, I'm the idiot who asked for it.......and got it both barrels from Johnny boy 😏
John love your work cheers Mick
As opposed to a BYD ATTO 3, how about a KIA EV6 ? Better distribution, more sales centers, reliability experience, etc. etc.
BYD uses the best LFP battery made today and will out last the KIA NMC battery by a long margins..It can be charge to 100% and discharged to zero% with very little degradation..The question is why would anyone buy a KIA over a BYD😊
Just buy a Mitsubishi PHEV dood. Known Japanese reliability. Can do all of your commuting on electric only, and when you want to hydrate the Dingo excrement to make it flow down the creek, use the inbuilt petrol generator.
Like, who knew?
Yeah, PHEV is a good option for Australia at the present.
I essentially agree with most of your points John, however as I have recently purchased an Atto 3, I wish I could buy a second Atto 3, but your right, they’re not for everyone or every situation. The missus and I are down to just one diesel 4WD now…
Australia, 53% of households had access to two or more motor vehicles in 2021.
I have a Bluetti AC200MAX 2kWh inverter/battery pack at home for emergencies.
My 2012 Prius Plug in hybrid does about 8km per kWh so I would not even bother chucking the bulky 28kg Bluetti in the boot for emergencies.
The 45l fuel tank will take me 1000 km when the short range EV battery is exhausted and I turn on the ICE.
I've heard the servicing charges on this vehicle rival that of most ICE cars even though there is little to service.
I have been looking forward to this episode for a long long long time, I had this discussion with a mate a while ago and we agreed that sooner or later we will come across a flog towing a trailer and a generator with fuel cans and going camping in their electric car. Some dickhead will do it just because they can.
Sure! It's the next best thing to perpetual motion! At least they think so...
It's kinda like seeing a Porsche Macan in the Bunnings carpark.
@@eyerollthereforeiam1709 yeah. since sliced bread.
John, what if the generator was in a trailer and you set it running as soon as you set off? Best not to run an engine in the cabin. Maybe add a solar panel or two as well 🤓
But on a serious note why don't they make a hybrid vehicle where the engine is really small and efficient and is basically a range extender/ emergency charger for camping. Having multiple vehicles for different jobs doesn't seem very green 🤔
@Retired Bore Guess you and everyone around you will love wearing earplugs all night. Should be good for keeping the creepy crawlies out too, bonus! 🤣
The most uncommon resource in the world today is common sense. This episode confirms that the ICE for any outside city forays is still maybe the less evil mode of transport, certainly the most practical.
I'm concerned that ICE may become quickly redundant should battery chemical and production prices start to make EVs hit price parity with ICE. At that point, the newer tech supplants the older one, and the older one rapidly loses its value. However, if concerned about range a PHEV may be a useful compromise.
Correct, there are 3 things holding the Electrification of the world back (particularly here in Australia). They are infrastructure (inc disposal of old batteries). Secondly safety (exploding batteries in a crash situation). Look what happened to that ship in the Atlantic that sank with a bunch of VW, Porsche and Audi's. Lastly Battery technology. Once parity is reached with price and range/recharging then the ICE will struggle for relevance in the car market. Will Heavy Transport then follow? Don't write off the whole ICE thing just yet. The overriding objective is the environment and the health benefits that follow.
@@johnbambo9036 in regards to safety you should take a closer look at the BYD blade batteries, under testing they have been shown to be far safer and don't suffer from thermal runaway like other batteries and are infact likely to be safer than ice vehicles. ua-cam.com/video/CGQwqWqzkNA/v-deo.html
Also the BYD LFP batteries have a longer life cycle and degrade far slower with a 5% degradation over 300,000km claimed and there are reports of taxi's reaching a million kms before battery replacement making disposal less of an issue if recycling is non existent.
@@songforguy1Agreed and whilst some of your narrative is hazy what is your point? Seems BYD have not overcome the Electric Vehicle conundrum (yet) for practicality. I've searched without success for the BYD Battery (Long Distance) and Heavy Vehicle Solution (ie carrying goods a really really long way). Perhaps on the Dark Web. Open mind always and as always, thanks for your input.
@@johnbambo9036 you mentioned that there are 3 things holding electrification back, I was merely pointing out that this car addresses some of your concerns but admittedly not all of them, that is all, cheers!
Spot on as always. Best option for someone who wants an EV but still wants to do road trips is have a second ICE car or rent one for the trip.
I would imagine that it won't be too long before you can buy roll out solar panels that you stick in the back of the EV, and unfurl on the ground at your location of choice (DPCreek, for instance) plug into the battery, and while you are there enjoying the ambience and natural scents of DPCreek for the next couple of days of camping, your 60kWh battery is slowly soaking up the electrons provided free of charge (pun unintended) by the giant spherical fusion reactor that appears on a regular basis up in the sky above DPCreek.
Actually people are already doing that via a battery like the bluetti.
Everything you said makes sense, but why give Mycar such a hard time? My local Mycar in Chapel Hill, Brisbane are fantastic.
Carrying a geny is a bad idea. Unless its very small and cheap and preferably Diesel for safety. But its really for exceptional use where you went out for a Sunday drive somewhere so I would say don't invest too much in one. A small one for a Mini Cooper might be good. Maybe a better idea would be to get a Bluetti (general purpose rechargeable battery). This can be used to give the car a small charge as well power other things. Also you can bring various fold-up solar panels to top it up. Save your money and get one of these. Keep away from the generator shite.
@Retired Bore The one place I saw the Bluetti to be worthwhile was the 2 guys in France with their Citroen Ami - very small car. They used a 2KwHr Bluetti to get an emergency charge and get home. It was portable and all so it worked out fine but the cost was about €2k. But they will get other uses out of it I guess.
Perfect emotive analysis John. Nice "cut" in the last half to recompose yourself🤐. I think I"ll stick to drag racing while I still can. I get about the same range as an EV and let's face it, my vehicle of choice is not the flavour of the month with grass eaters and who knows how long before they ban my fun🏴☠🏴☠
Client services at local experience centre. Just lovely. Take care from UK
Diesel is harder to set off in the outback as well.
Can we get a compact 50 kW diesel genset please?
Why can a car have a 300 kW one that barely whispers, but a smaller mobile one will make the neighbourhood lynch you just about 20 minutes into your charge cycle?
Coils of razor wire on top of the fence? Are they trying to keep people in or out?
Trying to keep Sydney people out.
I wish UA-cam had a laugh button instead of just a “like” button.
Looks like the old glass iMoan that used to feature on the channel has been refinished in 80 grit. Harry just got the full penetration effect. 😂
Damn right I did, right in the posterior 😵
Lets hope he gets 500.000 subscribers very soon !!! Cheers from Germany
Hi John, has your view on the Atto 3 changed?
Keeping it real and telling it like it is - Yesssssssssssss
You forgot to mention Noarlunga Model Aerosports at the northern end of the rail yard.
Hey yeah....lift your game Johno.
TBH the one thing putting me off BYD is the current Australian distributor. I'm sure the cars themselves are fine, but the distributor keeps shooting themselves in the vegetables. I'd prefer to wait for the MG4 and GWM Ora Cat to be released before seriously considering an EV.
Hi John AP. EAGERS has taken a stake in byd repairs and my car is owned or backed by continental tyres
Hi John and Harry, here in the U.K. we had the same type of set up when Daewoo , who? entered the U.K. market and maintenance and warranty work was carried out by Halfords, a car parts etc supermarket. Err, no thank you very much. In my opinion you would be better going for the MG ZS or the latest hatchback model, I think MG4. Hope this helps.
Greetings from Cumbria in the U.K.
Stay safe and well.
Ta Trevor, I'm not buying a BYD or any EV, just posed the question and got the answers I expected
Best episode yet on outback lavatories
Ev with a gen set and jerry cans in the frunk. This dude deserves a Nobel prize.
We just completed a 7000km trip from Melbourne Vic thru NSW up to the Sunshine coast and back in a Tesla Model 3 long range. Our electricity cost was $40. Our route took us thru Halls Gap to Mildura and onto Brokenhill, Dubbo, Tamworth etc etc. The last leg was from Albury back to the Yarra Valley Vic with 35% left in our battery range. It is possible but you need to make the right choice of EV.
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Why not rent a car when you need to go to dingo piss creek? (Assuming 1-2 times a year)
You could then have the best tool for the job every time rather than a compromised tool all the time.
You know you have made it when the highlight is the railway depot!
Yeah the place lacks one thing that's the main highlight of Sydney. A road that leads out to South Australia.
And what a lovely station it is......when you get through the razor wire 😆
I saw a BYD driving down the road in Sandown Park today.
Been waiting for this video from Johnny Boy C
Gotcha thanks 🙏.
The idea of "Dingo Sh*t Creak", may well depend on just what you are feeding the little buggers?!?
Close to Maslin Beach, if you're into that kind of thing...
I'm surprised John missed Maslins in his research. Though maybe he didn't want to mentioned it as it's low hanging fruit.
@@TheKnobCalledTone. Low hanging fruit... I see what you did there ;)
Going full circle. Run the petrol generator at the same time as your driving the EV car. Plumb the generator exhaust out the window. No more range anxiety in a EV. Yessss!
I reckon a range extender built into an EV car would be a great idea in cold climates were you can use all the excess heat to warm the passenger cabin.
I recently just heard of the range extender term used. Saw a video on the latest Aerial Atom that’s electric and has a range extender built in.
I would have to agree that buying this car despite the upside of the low cost is taking a risk and going in an experiment. This considering critical mass is not there and the service model at the moment simply is not there. Said that I think taking this car with a novated lease for 2/3 years could mitigate the risk of depreciation and in this period the required amount of service and risk of issues should be lower. I have tried it today and it would do the job for me. What do you guys think?
On the ev subject I'm curious as to why these ev's don't have solar panels on the roof or as the roof and maybe the back window.
I mean u drive it to work park it in the sun all day and when u go home it's 100% and have it so it charges while u drive ,theoretically you'd always have a fullish charge, obviously not at night or in parking garages but for the most part it would charge itself and obviously you'd also still have the ability to charge off the grid for situations where solar charging isn't an option.
Makes sense to me so I honestly don't understand why manufacturers aren't doing it? Or am I missing something? 🤷♂️🤔
Would I be a fool to think you have been baited here John. I'm pretty sure even people who live in Seaford Meadows are aware that this proposal is just foolish, and they have deliberately picked a vehicle unknown to Australia.
I have a more viable question though.
Would it be viable to use my MG3 (I don't actually own one) to move my 3.5 tonne shitwa from my home in Victor Harbor (yes, I live in god's waiting room) to Dingo Piss Creek by dismantling the caravan and taking it there in about 20 journeys?
I can do assembly by the camp fire at night using my 2KVA genset to run my 25W LED lights.
Your thoughts?
Pat Sparks
No mate, I wasn't baiting him. I genuinely had thought about an EV and asked the question on gensets not knowing how much they used in fuel and the logistics etc. John's answers have swayed me to keep my CX-5 and soldier on
I don't even know or want to know where Dingo Piss Creek is so I am unlikely to want to go there! On the other hand, most of your comments hit the nail on the head although I think the death of ICE will occur much faster than you predict. Having ordered and about to take delivery of a BYD I am still trying to work out which of your two characterisations is the best fit for me! Perhaps there is an additional category of people who cannot stand being continually milked by the oil companies.
Only 13l for a half charge/150ks? Im actually surprised it would be that good a conversion. Surprisingly efficient. I would have thought it would be much worse. As in, you'd use double the amount of petrol that you'd use if you just put it in a ICE car....
It's truly the dumbest thing
Another thing you mentioned to but didn't cover fully as the result of the inefficiency of the genset, charger and fuel was how far the petrol to re-charge the battery would get you if put directly into an ICE vehicle. At 13 litres to give you 150 kms, that's 8.6666 l/100 kms - not very efficient for a small car. For less than the $50k plus genset etc you can buy a car with a dedicated petrol tank that gets around 6 l/100 kms, and can be refilled in 5 minutes for the 300 kms that the EV would travel on 20 hours of charging.
John just as an aside to this. I watched a guy from the US of A, reviewing the new Ford F-150 Lightning & it’s appalling range whilst towing. Hoovies Garage is his channel. Worth a watch coz ain’t now way it’d get anywhere near Dingo Piss Creek from South Oz! Well whilst towing at least!😱🤣
I just watched the most recent Hoovie's Garage and the impact of cargo on range for even a modest load for the Lightning EV was pretty much as John calculated in the earlier EV towing video. Experimental proof in action.
It's a bit like Bernoulli beam theory where there is maximum size to wooden ships beyond which they collapse under their own weight
Ok can someone explain what sexyland is please?
Adult sex shop in Morphett Vale SA
Just how many watches do you own, John?
I know that you concentrate mainly on cars, but, could you please have a look at the plan to introduce electric Manly Ferries.
Electricity and water... what could possibly go wrong?
Oh, oh. John is on fire. And rightly so.
I’ll have one and power the house from it peak times 😛
Just how do you convert electrons into petrol anyway ?
Ask the Oil refineries - they use massive amounts of electricity.
Your a funny bastard. Love your work.
I see Tesla's on the Marlborough stretch between rocky and Mackay now on my weekly pilgrimage to Cairns in a truck 350km trip full charge would make it but that's as far as I would push it until you can get 1000km out of a charge that will be the game changer
Kmart was sold to continental, then they rebranded. I always keep an eye on mechanic jobs and there's always manager and mechanic roles advertised for my car. Was worse when the re brand happened.
Eagers love giving bonuses to mechanics and office staff to sell faults on vehicles, trucks and cars included.
Sounds right. I took my $3k car for a service and they found over $2,500 worth of faults they said needed attention. I declined. I never returned. I don’t understand why EVDirect wants buyers to use MyCar as they don’t need a service apart from fluid changes anyone can do.
@@josephj6521 this is the attitude that annoys me. There is more to a car service than changing some oils and rotating tyres. It does take skill to be a good service mechanic, though when you get to that level you are more a diagnostic technician.
@@Low760 Hard to find a good mechanic; I went to a supposedly reputable mechanic for a roadworthy certificate for my Holden Caprice and the owner failed the front struts; he passed them after I provided a report from Pedders stating the struts were in perfect condition; Pedders also informed me the struts were very expensive, hand made in Germany Bilstein struts, that just happen to also fit the Commodore models; clearly, the mechanic wanted to steal the struts and make me pay for cheap, nasty aftermarket replacements.
@@petesmitt or they were wet and he doesn't know about shocks being allowed to mist.
@@Low760 nope; they were bone dry and they functioned like new; zero reason to fail them, so the mechanic was either completely incompetent or a crook.
But... but John... surely he could augment the genset with solar panels , say on a jerry rigged frame/roof upon a trailer, charging up a bunch of batteries sourced from a local disposals shed?
And.. and.. put some fans on the roof so the wind can turn them, thus reverse inducing eelektrickery to further charge said trailer-battery! (pls ignore the impact weight and wind resistance will have)
Screw physics, this is farking genius
Fark.. knew I shouldn't have eaten those nuts for lunch... I'm turning into one of.... those people.
Duh.....just turn half the fans around so they're pushing you......problem solved
Thanks John, perfect vehicle for 95% of trips in Straya.
Seems BYD are facing a few safety problems with ANCAP calling it a 5 seater without all the appropriate middle restraint requirements in place.
Unless they can sort it out quick, most will possibly be recalled to be rectified and a stop order put in place for new deliveries.
Funny - gets a 5 star in NZ and EU.
Whether it's a BYD, KIA, BMW or any brand EV, at the moment there is not enough range, not enough "working" chargers (yes, check Chargefox for the numbers) and then the waiting time if you find one that works for someone in front of you (or 2 or 3 people) to finish assuming they haven't done the runner to the shops like I recently saw at my local. Guy waiting there to charge recently was quite verbal abusing no-one in sight that the car hooked up was charged and the owner was no-where to be seen. Didn't know you could tell...
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for EV's. Well, maybe.
Ranges indicated in the glossy brochures are for a pristine battery. How about after a year or two or three or has everyone forgotten how their mobile battery shits itself in "health" by then.
Tech is rapidly improving, but I'll wait a few years until Australia gets its charging stations up to scratch (insert laugh now) and battery tech has improved for greater range. Probably come at the same time as the fast train from Sydney to Newcastle.
Speaking of batteries again - has anyone worked out how much a new battery is going to set them back after say, what, 5 years (more ?) when it degrades to the point where the range is compromised.
Wonder also what will become of the old battery ?
And don't get me started on Australia burning more coal to keep these buggers charged. You know Albo won't do anything about improving the grid like say (I've written to him and his ministers - no reply - funny that) incentiving people to stick panels on the roof as mini power stations to reduce coal burning. Nah, EV's are the go, damn the torpedoes and get one and we'll worry about how to deal with the grid another time or leave it up to the next government to deal with.
The battery in the BYD atto 3 is a LFP blade battery that has an 8 year warranty against a degradation of 30% and unlike other battery chemistries it can be regularly charged to 100% with little degradation. In China there are reports of BYD taxis recording 1 million klms before battery replacement.
@@aljoubert8749 I know the exact subsidy amount, yes, but I wouldn't call it massive. My electricity bill for 3 adults is less then $300 per quarter (last one was $228), so what incentive do I have being retired (early - no pension for 15 years)) to fork out the residual funds for a system to help supplement the grid, especially since they wound back the feed in tariffs. Pay back is too long.
Did have a laugh that JC was paying, what was it, about 74c/kWh peak. Wow. I pay 19.4c flat no matter what time of day fixed until next May. Helps to shop around.
Wacko fuck'n Souf Aussie BOOMER here mate, Maslins Beach's is where it all hangs out, not Mc Fuck'n Laren Vale.
Butt, I agree, you can shove your EVs where the sun don't shine.
Dingo Pisstake Creek session expiry notice. 😉
I saw a Hyundai Kona at our local Bunnings car park, & I was super impressed.
The look & build quality were top notch & after drooling over it, the owner rocked up & we chatted for 20 odd minutes in a non-stop light drizzle.
Long story short, she loves it & reckons the Hyundai Service Centres go out of their way to keep her happy, everything gets attended to & no service bill anxiety.
With that in mind, the price of the Extended Range BYD Atto 3 is AU$43,781 (Drive away?), but I could get the range-topping Kona Elite for AU$35,434.95 (Drive away? YES) & do away with the nonsense gens set & jerry cans.
WTF, for some well-deserved fun factor, I'd go with Kona N at AU$53,784 (Drive away? YES) or let what hair I've still got down, for the Kona N Premium for AU$56,934 (Drive away? YES) & have shitloads of fun. 👍
Yes!
It makes no sense to buy any EV if you need to do any extra-urban driving on a regular basis. The most frustrating thing about EV's at the moment is the focus on super-luxury, high end EV's at the expense of development of small, light EV's suitable for urban environments. The obsession with range is, IMO, asinine as the longer the range, the bigger the battery which means it takes longer to recharge, and the longer range is wasted because in most cases, it is actually unusable because it takes you away from all the fast chargers in the city. For the vast majority of urban motorists, a 50km range is plenty and you could charge such a battery at a rapid charger in minutes rather than hours. Less resources consumed to make the battery, less damage caused to the roads by 3 ton electric utes with an unusable 600km range.
This video has an Abe Simpson level of rambling.
I'll wait and see if Vinfast from Vietnam import their electric cars.
I believe Dingo Shit Creek is down stream of Dingo Piss Creek. Of the two Dingo Shit Creek is the more effluent.