Why The Universe May Be Full Of Alien Civilizations Featuring Dr. Avi Loeb: ua-cam.com/video/6ckgBxRASTo/v-deo.html Finding Solutions to the Fermi Paradox with Harvard's Dr. Avi Loeb: ua-cam.com/video/0p5muqNEnj8/v-deo.html
This object MUST have intelligent control. The reason is that if it didn't it would not have been able to leave our galaxy for the same reason planets can't, the suns gravity.
You do realized the government released footage of a UFO right?? It was taken from our fighter jets... American military jets that are rather high tech. Anyway... the "alien / ufo" claims aren't baseless as you stated... Not to mention countless astronauts, pilots, radar control people, presidents, governors, police officers, and everyday folk have personal and shared experiences. Sorry, but you rubbed me the wrong way when you said baseless claims. Religion is a baseless claim.
@@nickjohnson9704 It is far more likely that "ufo" was a government project instead of being an alien craft like you are supposing. Just because people see something they cannot explain does not automatically make it of alien origin.
@@Sugefut So your argument is that the government has and has had secret advanced technology. Technology that can make objects hover silently. Technology that can accelerate, stop, and change direction instantly. Technology that can launch a craft out of sight in fractions of a second without making noise, without producing exhaust, while maintaining safe G-forces (or operated remotely). Alright. So... The American government has this technology eh? They obviously have engines that don't burn fossil fuels then. SpaceX and all the other space companies are wasting their time and money since we already have technology far superior. Hell we've probably already been to mars & further if we have something capable of such fast speeds.... Either way though.... Our government knows about these things, and that is unacceptable. They're either hiding world changing technology, or they're hiding world changing information. (Or both) -- So to me people that shrug it off as no big deal are the crazy people. You made no argument at all. Typical "Just because people see something they cannot explain does not automatically make it of alien origin" -- lol, no shit Sherlock? You didn't even stop to think what you're implying by saying that. I think it's more of a stretch to believe our government is capable of building such crafts & then hiding them from us so well, only to fly them over cities.... than it is to admit we don't know shit about the universe & there's a good possibilities there's aliens here or nearby. I mean honestly...watching all these videos about Space is sort of sickening. Our basis for life and evolution is restricted to what we've seen here. It took life "x" amount of time to form here, and it took "x" amount of time for intelligent life to form, and it took "x" amount of time for said intelligent life to start flying rockets... Do you see a problem with that math? Our history has an impact on our technological advancement time line.... mostly wars and shit. Is it a stretch to believe that maybe there's a species that didn't slaughter each other from the get go? They probably advanced a lot quicker with fewer self inflicted set-backs like the burning of libraries. Perhaps it wasn't Nazi's that took Aviation to the next level? Maybe life evolved faster in another galaxy. Maybe it got a head start. Maybe it adapted to survive in hotter or colder temperatures.... I mean the list fucking goes on, I don't even know what I'm talking about, and I can poke holes in their theories. --- Forgot who said it.... but saying there's no aliens is like taking a cup of water out of the ocean and saying there's no whales.
@@nickjohnson9704 Yep. That is exactly what I am saying. Space X is a dog and pony show and is a waste of time. The Star Wars space program has been around since the 1980's. This is why all of Congress laughed at Trump's "space force". Yes, our govt can build these things, but people fly them, so it is no surprise that we are catching more and more of them in the age of smartphone tech. 1 + 1 does not equal 11. What is more intriguing is the fact that you think humanity has been stuck on jet engine and fossil fuel tech for 80 years.
@@dirremoire 80% of UA-cam views are via the algorithm - i.e, not purposely searched for or linked from other sites. Believe it or not, asking people to like and subscribe in a given video really does lead to substantially more likes/subs than not asking, and this in turn gives the video and the creator an equally substantial boost by the algorithm. So maybe cut creators some slack for spending five seconds asking for something that will give their free content twice as much exposure.
There is a proposal to catch Oumuamua. A microsat propelled by 100GW laser array could catch up to it in 7 years if launched today. Obviously, that's not going to happen, but the fact that we may have missed such a (potentially) monumental discovery really highlights the fact that our space technology sucks and that we should seriously beef up our orbital infrastructure.
Great point. I really hope some of those missing trillions of dollars have gone towards stand-by probes in orbit, fueled and ready to intercept interesting objects such as Oumuamua.. For all we know they did intercept the dang thing and got all sorts of data from it. Such a shame we live under this 'protective' layer, kept in the dark and fed shit like mushrooms and away from truth.
@Tessmage Tessera That's because a significant of the population thinks it would be a waste to go to space while there's still poverty and war down here on Earth (which is a stupid reason not to but I digress). They say that until we solve all our problems down here on Earth, space travel is a worthless and expensive endeavor. I agree with you that we should focus more on space, there are so many resources up there that we could use to solve problems like dwindling resources and the issue of energy. But alas, most people are so full of themselves and think they know way more than they do to actually listen to any of the actual experts (not that I claim to be one in any fashion).
Yes, too many people forget this. If we are here it's incredibly possible we aren't the only ones. To think differently in my opinion is blatant ignorance.
@@hay7501 I don't know, to be honest. Yeah, it's stupid to think it's impossible, but I think it's unlikely we will meet them or find them during our lifetimes
Wow! This interview was great Dr. Loeb is full of information and his take on things is refreshing in my opinion. I have really enjoyed the other episodes but this one I think has been my favorite I can't wait to hear part two. Also thank you Dr. Loeb for doing these interviews.
I can tell by the emotion in his voice that Dr. Loeb has a great deal of passion for his research, but I can also hear the frustration in his voice as he's making his argument. I imagine Dr. Loeb has encountered a great deal of scrutiny and probably even criticism for putting forth ideas outside of mainstream science. However I believe Dr. Loeb has some very good points about how past experiences cannot predict new discoveries; and how we have theories that have found acceptance in conventional science when we haven't discovered anything to even prove they're possible and yet we're so quick to dismiss the idea of extraterrestrial intelligence when we already have two examples that proves that it is at least possible (our existence, and the discovery of planets with the same atmospheric makeup as Earth). Now I wish to see a interview between Dr. Loeb and Dr. Karen Meech where they discuss Oumuamua.
I believe it was a derelict spacecraft probably set out to Colonize our system not knowing we were here. Something went wrong and the critters on board died and is now drifting in the void. Rumor has it a secret branch of the military boarded it but I remain skeptical of the source.
They have painted this guy as a loon and after listening to him I see its unfounded. He isn't extreme about his views and he covers multiple possibilities. This is how scientific theories begin.
True, too often science labels someone a "loon" because of thoughts outside of common accepted theories. It goes against the very nature of science to dismiss something out of hand just because it is different.
I also read Dr. Loeb's interview in The New Yorker. I'm fairly convinced that he is right. He is looking at the data much more rationally than any of his critics to date. It's never aliens, *until it is.* If there is ANY mundane explanation that can satisfactorily explain the 6 *different* peculiarities about this item, then lets hear them.
All other videos on youtube on this topic have been either crackpots or scared little kittens not brave enough to be open minded. This content is in another league to all that junk, spectacular stuff. Thankyou.
@@TheHighlanderprime I don't get how. Just listen to his words, hes the only objective take my (very) limited research on the topic has shown. I say objective that strongly so he doesn't accept or discount anything without proof, unlike basically everyone else. Also in my western existence, religion is all but invisible today. Im sure there are other places where that is not the case however, and im guessing jesus christ has a monopoly on peoples headspaces for otherworldly concepts. Im guessing could be a mainstream prejudice that's still sticking around.
@@karrde593 I think you missed the gist of my comment. I agree with you that Dr. Loeb actually is the true voice of objectivity and an open mind. That was my point. Too often times, science orthodoxy is reeked with biases based on known nature. Such bias tends to be dismissive of open minded position such as Dr. Loeb with regards to the alien hypothesis. The term "crackpot" aught not exist if one is truly objective and humble in science. The term has zero substantial value other than condescension and a personal attack. And the Doctor fits that bill of the truly objective. He wouldn't use the term "crackpot".
I loved his information. I find it objective and refreshing. He pointed out we all believe in the possibility of extra dimensions without physical proof, but just some obscure math few of us can even understand. Well the statistical math that says there is a possibility of life other than Earth is at least understandable. Great interview.
@@karrde593 A) You find religion "all but invisible today", but still insist on attributing to it any small-mindedness among the people. So yeah, there's some prejudice at work there, for sure. B) This guy may be more respectable than Giorgio Tsoukalos, but that just makes this the "respected scientist" version of ancient aliens clickbait. It's speculation, based on guesswork, based on absence of evidence as evidence and then pure speculation from there. That's NOT "objective". The comparison to string theory is some kind of lame whataboutism that does NOTHING to provide support for his thesis that it's artificial. Clickbait, he's promoting pure imagination. Which is great, but when his book comes out, it's gonna look like a von Daniken style grift. You don't think he's doing this with that end in mind? I thought Godier was more level-headed than this but I guess he's taking the You Tube thing pretty serious now.
Hooray! New Event Horizon! This show is great, and after seeing that post about the paper a couple days ago made me hyped for this episode. Thanks John for doing this series!
The sudden acceleration of Oumuamua away from the sun was always a curiously interesting observation for me, but I'm glad that the astronomy community is starting to provide hard data over about how strange and atypical that phenomenon really was. Honestly, considering our own history of discovery followed by exploitation, I hope it's not a probe from an alien civilization. We'd probably be at the mercy of any civilization that could make the trip here in person.
Dr. Loeb makes such an excellent point. Why would mainstream science be so resistant to speculating on an "artificial origin" when this object defies pretty much *all* of the 'normal' expected, behavior?
because we are looking hard and yet have no observations suggesting that there might be. Unless someone actually finds evidence of an extraterrestrial civ the fermi paradox remains just that; a paradox, suggesting that the base assumption (that alien civs are coommon) is fundamentally wrong.
Actually, it's mostly for the same reason why mainstream scientists reject the idea of a handful of UFOs being of alien origin. It's resistance based on human arrogance.
@@TheHighlanderprime It really has nothing to do with human arrogance. Any extraterrestrial stellar civilization ought to be real easy to spot, infact a civilization with say a million years under its belt ought to have already colonized the entire galaxy by now even without FTL, in other words they should be right here in the billions in our own solar system. The Fermi Paradox and the Dyson Dilemma in particular should be considered heavy arguments against any explanation involving aliens. That and the fact that saying "Aliens did it" is for all practical purposes very similar to saying "God did it", both is a dead end to inquiries into unexpected observations and both has a tendency to be a "God of the gaps" sort of deal.
-@@Aurgelmir87 Your argument is presumptuous because its trajectory is as well speculative because you don't know how easily detectable an alien technology that's a million years ahead of ours would be. "Any extraterrestrial stellar civilization ought to be real easy to spot" In fact, our technology may not be able to detect alien crafts if they're getting here using a technology that operates outside of the space-time matrix. I do not know this. But since science doesn't know that it as well, we aught to remain open to the idea. Your argument actually legitimize my "arrogance" argument because it presupposes that it knows because our brand of science says so. As Dr. Loeb suggested, if you don't know as a scientist, don't use your own knowledge and preconception as an argument that you have the best idea. No the idea of "alien" is not synonymous to "god". People who believe in science above all else too often tend to want to bring god into the argument to assert certainty over faith. This isn't my angle. My angle is simply to keep an open mind and not allow a prejudicial trigger against the alien possibility to over take your argument because that qualifies as close-mindedness.
@@TheHighlanderprime Look if the Aliens have to be invisible and live outside of time and space then I really shouldn´t have to spell out the problem to you. This is exactly what I ment when I compared it to explaining things by means of God and how it is a God of the Gaps sort of deal; its a unfalsifiable hypothesis about an undetectable agent acting in mysterious ways that can be inserted into anything not yet explained. It doesn´t matter if you call that agent ET or God, the mechanics of the argument are the same. Parts of the scientific community have explained things by means of aliens before (canals on mars, pulsars etc.) and have so far been wrong every time. I would require real evidence that *specifically* point to an alien origin before accepting such an explanation, just saying "this is wierd therefore aliens probably" just doesn´t cut it.
the fact about the object being in the local standard of rest is the most peculiar thing in my opinion. Either the math is wrong, we measured it wrong somehow or there is a natural process that boosts it to that frame. The alternative is that it's of artificial origin which is simply tantalizing.
I don't get the issue? It could be a piece from a bigger collision. It could have gotten a boost from other bodies, a black hole... It tumbles over many axis. Would a solar sail move that way? Most likely not. Physics won't allow it. My opinion. It's a sliver of matter broken off from a huge collision. The composition could be a rocky/metallic substance. Probably has been moving along for millions of years.
Nope. Got to build a damn wall. Make war. Ug Ug. Science? Medical advances? Exploration? Nanotech? Biotech? Knowledge? No, too expensive. War. Kill. We Humans are the greatest thing ever. BECAUSE WE CAN KILL EVERYTHING (/s in case no one gets it)
Responding to the part where Dr. Loeb argued against the UFO/ET hypothesis because of our sophisticated detection from .43 to .45 capabilities of our equipments: The Defense Intelligence Agency(DIA) had a program called Advanced Aerial Threat Identification Program(AATIP) which studied UFOs from 2007 to 2012. Because of these UFOs' impossible aviation performances, the scientific investigative staff from the AATIP pretty much eliminated the possibility that these distinct UFOs that they've studied are man-made. The paper released from the AATIP program was released by the freedom of information act. And the group of scientists had to hypothesize based on scientific probability as to how these aerial objects got here. And their conclusion is that these unknown crafts which aren't tracked to any other sources on earth, are likely using a gravity cancelling technology to explain the speed and performance that well succeeded anything that our physics can explain. If aliens are using technology that violates the space time matrix, then our equipment may not detect or see these aliens coming. This article backed by very credible sources explain that angle of the UFO argument. www.unknowncountry.com/news/list-dias-secret-ufo-study-projects-has-been-revealed?fbclid=IwAR3SR-4vqHqsu0MYaJfKO8-rBsEKJF2wZaLKgrflTQ8IqfV0UQ-tlZ4Yyg4
I understand why some people are sceptical about initiating contact with superior alien species. Valid point. But also it is more logical for an advanced species to be explorers in nature and not conquerors. Universe is a cesspool of culture so why not understand all of it.
Here's what convinced me it was an alien recon craft. Go look at the trajectory of Oumuamua on the NASA simulator. This object dropped in from the top of the solar system It intentionally avoided being seen until 5 days after it had passed Earth. It flew down behind the Sun at the exact time that Earth was o the opposite side, completely hiding itself from view. Then, it swoops down and come back up through the solar plane, not out in the middle of the solar system, but right through the goldilocks zone of our solar system. The exact route a recon craft would take to observe a planet with potential life. We dont know where its going, but we can assume its going back to its mothership with all the data it collected as it passed. That means we should be expecting something huge to happen within this year.
I just discovered this channel and it’s awesome! I like the fact that the possibility of alien technology is considered here and discussed in detail. I have the feeling most scientists are afraid to make such claims despite the evidence of omuamua. More of this please!
thank you for providing us with facts of what we know so far about Oumuamua and for corralling them together and bringing some solid and legitimate questions. So refreshing.
What if something detached from Oumuamua after arriving here? Thrt would explain the speed boost without outgasing. Something as small as project starshot's envisioned payload?
That really is an interesting observation. The object would definitely speed up suddenly if it dropped a payload. Possibly even tumbling the way it was to sling shot the pay load towards us. It also sped up right when it becane level with the solar plane and close to Earth. I honestly never thought of this possibility, but it would make sense. Perhaps a message in a bottle orca recon sattelite.
@@desertweasel6965 NASA's (JPL's) proposed-but-never-built solar sail propelled Halley's Comet rendezvous probe of the mid-1970s would have jettisoned its sail module after matching orbits with the comet's nucleus, about four years after its 1979 or 1980 launch. After this, the jettisoned sail module (the spacecraft bus was very similar to that of the Voyager 1 & 2 outer planet probes, fitted with a smaller [about 4' diameter] Mariner-type dish antenna), unburdened of its load, would have weighed much less, and thus accelerated more rapidly.
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The problem is not the status-quo gut feelings when rejecting the plausibility of objects with alien origins. It's simply the fact that astrophysicists (like any sane group of professionals) are not interested in jeopardizing, or ending, their careers by hypothesizing explanations aligned with pop-cultural fantasies and UFO believers. Interjecting culture and politics into any scientific enterprise limits the scope of what science is willing to pursue and impedes what science already deems valid. The gut feeling is: "Do I risk everything I've spent my entire life pursuing for an hypothesis that will be ridiculed out of hand...because that path has already been paved by superstition, ignorance and political nonsense?"
Astronomers from the Max Planck institute used Gaia data to narrow its origin to 2 possibilities. Red Dwarf HIP 3757, 81 LY away; and Yellow Dwarf HD 292249 135 LY away.
Here's an analogy: Imagine 1 billion years in the future; a tumbling Voyager 1, covered with interstellar space dust, passing through a solar system with intelligent life, such as ours ...
I suggest other such space objects have hit the south poles of earth and the moon. Also if artificial, possibly is a voyager returning to its launch site, earth.
I’m sick of seeing people say “but it just looks like a rock” omg they don’t know what it looks like the pictures are just an artists impression, it could look like my arse for all we know 😂
Very interesting, LSST ( New telescope much more sensitive than Pan-Starrs) become operational within 3 years, and if we don't find any comparable objects within 1-2 years of search, Oumuamua might be a rare object, and we have to chase it down to know more about it.
Thinking about life in the Universe can be a lonely endeavor when you have very few peers to discuss your ideas with. Thank God for Professor Loeb! It's good to know you're not alone with your thoughts about extraterrestrial intelligence and civilizations when he speaks. I am counting every minute until I finally receive my pre-ordered copy of his new book, "Extraterrestrial: The First Sign of Intelligent Life Beyond Earth."
If I had some guesses to its nature, I'd say it's natural. However it's also a rather large magnet. Some kind of ferrous metal, relatively pure in the elemental sense, that's strongly magnetized. That would help explain the elongated shape, as the accretion of any other loose metal materials would be in relation to the magnetic poles. (So instead of settling into something round, it gets longer.) The interaction of the magnetic field with the solar wind would also explain the property of acceleration during its flyby with the sun. So it's a metallic rock that happens to be a bar magnet.
Aliens probably saw spectrographic indications of oxygen, methane, etc and said: "hey that planet may have life; lets send a probe". It's pretty logical. It was sent long ago, and the civilization is probably extinct by now, but that would explain away the improbable likelihood of such an object arriving randomly.
Dr. Loeb should talk with Les Johnson, the NASA solar sail researcher. He developed a fibrous, silvery, high-temperature flexible sail material that is self-deploying because it's rather elastic. It is also significantly thicker than 1 millimeter. A metal-mesh sail (rather like the magnesium "hair" inside old-style flashbulbs) could be created by artificial--or possibly natural, like the "Pele's hair" volcanic glass--means. If such an object spun rather rapidly, it could be stretched out (like a metallic "dust bunny") into a pancake shape, as Dr. Loeb mentioned (the rapidly-spinning nucleus of Comet Giacobini-Zinner, due to its light curve, is also widely thought to be pancake-shaped, being about eight times as wide as it is thick).
Perhaps Earth was recce'd millions of years ago & seeded with life to create an oxygenated atmosphere on what was then a sterile planet. The latest probe was a passive pre-landing check for the main party of galactic colonists coming to take over their new home. Will we be food or friends?
@@mikeharrington5593 what if we are just like insects under their space flippers. barely noticed, and a pest at their picnics?..or...perhaps we are Viruses in their petri dishes, and they are merely checking their experiments before they head home for the evening?... the possibilities are endless.
The man speaking is very scholarly. He does a really good job explaining the scientific rationale. Which you dont get so smoothly from mainstream sources of popular science. I also enjoy the non rhetoric of him as different from pop science.
I've figured out what may have caused Oumuamua to speed up as it rounded the Sun. It released a smaller craft as if it were shooting a gun backwards, and this allowed the released craft to be moving much slower in relation to our solar system, and Oumuamua to speed up. I wonder if there isn't a smaller ship or probe that isn't here right now looking at us?
“When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.” I kept remembering this quote throughout the interview. This might be it. This might be our first confirmed extra terrestrial artificial object sighting.
WOW this is insane... I thought it was said that it was a rock ? If its a sheet/sail, surely we could discern it from its density ? WTF is going on around here ? Also, how about the speed ? Shouldn't a light sail traverse at a much higher speed ? Also shouldnt it slow down as it gets closer to sun ?
Arda: We didn't observe it until it had already passed us, so I don't think we have data on its acceleration/deceleration as it was approaching. We also couldn't "see" it in the sense that we have a detailed photo of it and so we can't know what it was made of, or even its shape. We only observed the intensity of light that was reflected off it, which had a certain rhythm to it, leading us to believe it was (and is) rotating. The light's pattern can tell us a lot about its *possible* shapes, but given the variables involved (reflectivity, width/height, density, what substance it's made of, etc.), we can't absolutely conclude which one is correct.
Oumuamua's acceleration is significantly greater than that of comparably-sized objects such as comets, implying a vastly lower density. The lack of observable outgassing does seem to imply that the acceleration is due to light pressure on a low-density object. I would expect a light sail to traverse at much higher speed if its ultimate destination was elsewhere and it had no interest in the system it was passing through. However if its purpose was to observe our system and maybe deploy small probes then i would expect it to lose as much speed as possible prior to doing that. I suspect that it did decelerate significantly on approaching the Sun, but we have no data to confirm or deny that. The tumbling nature of Oumuamua's recent motion could be taken as an indication that it is defunct. Perhaps newly defunct, having just recently completed its purpose; or perhaps it has been defunct for many millions of years and it was just a coincidence that it passed so close to Earth at such a low speed. Or it could just be playing dead. If it is still active then it may be departing relatively slowly so that deployed probes have a chance of rejoining it with whatever samples they have collected.
STARSHOTS! That's the best reason to have one even better than going to Alpha. Quick chase to anything we see weird, and also to asteroids that might hit us. Send a starshot see what it's made of. you smart.
Don't jump to conclusions until we know for sure. Right now all we can say is that it's a particularly odd object, we need more data to say anything for certain.
By no means am I the sort of person to shout "aliens" every time we discover something unusual, just the opposite, but Oumuamua really is a very strange object. The solar system has been here for nearly 5 billion years, and Oumuamua passes through at the exact time when life within the system has developed the technical ability to detect it. There would need to thousands (or even millions) of such objects passing through the solar system all the time to prevent that from being an incredible coincidence. It'll be very interesting to see if we discover any more.
When I first heard of the object's dimensions, tumbling and trajectory, I immediately thought of it as a likely derelict of another civilization. Oumuamua could well be an interplanetary spacecraft that suffered damage en route and was unable to brake down from a stellar escape velocity. It might also be jettisoned tankage from a space vehicle. Either way, the object could have been wandering interstellar space for a vast period of time, carrying with it samples of the technology of a species long vanished. The possibility alone makes it vital that an intercept be attempted as soon as our own technology permits.
I was starting to get tired of listening to your frequent reporting on Oumuamua, because I thought the topic had become trite. Then, a few days ago, I read a report by some Harvard professor who made a claim that it's a light sail. Obviously, it's not the first claim of this kind. Others have made it and were dismissed, but this particular report seemed to gain some traction on social media. I knew you'd be taking the topic up again, and I was interested to hear your thoughts. Glad to see you posted a new video on the topic I felt was becoming trite.
Why The Universe May Be Full Of Alien Civilizations Featuring Dr. Avi Loeb: ua-cam.com/video/6ckgBxRASTo/v-deo.html
Finding Solutions to the Fermi Paradox with Harvard's Dr. Avi Loeb: ua-cam.com/video/0p5muqNEnj8/v-deo.html
This object MUST have intelligent control. The reason is that if it didn't it would not have been able to leave our galaxy for the same reason planets can't, the suns gravity.
You do realized the government released footage of a UFO right?? It was taken from our fighter jets... American military jets that are rather high tech. Anyway... the "alien / ufo" claims aren't baseless as you stated...
Not to mention countless astronauts, pilots, radar control people, presidents, governors, police officers, and everyday folk have personal and shared experiences.
Sorry, but you rubbed me the wrong way when you said baseless claims. Religion is a baseless claim.
@@nickjohnson9704 It is far more likely that "ufo" was a government project instead of being an alien craft like you are supposing.
Just because people see something they cannot explain does not automatically make it of alien origin.
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So your argument is that the government has and has had secret advanced technology. Technology that can make objects hover silently. Technology that can accelerate, stop, and change direction instantly. Technology that can launch a craft out of sight in fractions of a second without making noise, without producing exhaust, while maintaining safe G-forces (or operated remotely).
Alright. So... The American government has this technology eh? They obviously have engines that don't burn fossil fuels then. SpaceX and all the other space companies are wasting their time and money since we already have technology far superior. Hell we've probably already been to mars & further if we have something capable of such fast speeds....
Either way though.... Our government knows about these things, and that is unacceptable. They're either hiding world changing technology, or they're hiding world changing information. (Or both) -- So to me people that shrug it off as no big deal are the crazy people. You made no argument at all. Typical "Just because people see something they cannot explain does not automatically make it of alien origin" -- lol, no shit Sherlock? You didn't even stop to think what you're implying by saying that.
I think it's more of a stretch to believe our government is capable of building such crafts & then hiding them from us so well, only to fly them over cities.... than it is to admit we don't know shit about the universe & there's a good possibilities there's aliens here or nearby. I mean honestly...watching all these videos about Space is sort of sickening. Our basis for life and evolution is restricted to what we've seen here. It took life "x" amount of time to form here, and it took "x" amount of time for intelligent life to form, and it took "x" amount of time for said intelligent life to start flying rockets... Do you see a problem with that math? Our history has an impact on our technological advancement time line.... mostly wars and shit. Is it a stretch to believe that maybe there's a species that didn't slaughter each other from the get go? They probably advanced a lot quicker with fewer self inflicted set-backs like the burning of libraries. Perhaps it wasn't Nazi's that took Aviation to the next level? Maybe life evolved faster in another galaxy. Maybe it got a head start. Maybe it adapted to survive in hotter or colder temperatures.... I mean the list fucking goes on, I don't even know what I'm talking about, and I can poke holes in their theories. --- Forgot who said it.... but saying there's no aliens is like taking a cup of water out of the ocean and saying there's no whales.
@@nickjohnson9704 Yep. That is exactly what I am saying.
Space X is a dog and pony show and is a waste of time.
The Star Wars space program has been around since the 1980's. This is why all of Congress laughed at Trump's "space force".
Yes, our govt can build these things, but people fly them, so it is no surprise that we are catching more and more of them in the age of smartphone tech.
1 + 1 does not equal 11.
What is more intriguing is the fact that you think humanity has been stuck on jet engine and fossil fuel tech for 80 years.
Thanks John, for letting him speak without interruption. Exellent interview and interviewer
also let's thank John for not begging viewers to "Like, subscribe and hit the bell" at the beginning.
@@dirremoire 80% of UA-cam views are via the algorithm - i.e, not purposely searched for or linked from other sites. Believe it or not, asking people to like and subscribe in a given video really does lead to substantially more likes/subs than not asking, and this in turn gives the video and the creator an equally substantial boost by the algorithm. So maybe cut creators some slack for spending five seconds asking for something that will give their free content twice as much exposure.
There is a proposal to catch Oumuamua. A microsat propelled by 100GW laser array could catch up to it in 7 years if launched today. Obviously, that's not going to happen, but the fact that we may have missed such a (potentially) monumental discovery really highlights the fact that our space technology sucks and that we should seriously beef up our orbital infrastructure.
Great point. I really hope some of those missing trillions of dollars have gone towards stand-by probes in orbit, fueled and ready to intercept interesting objects such as Oumuamua.. For all we know they did intercept the dang thing and got all sorts of data from it. Such a shame we live under this 'protective' layer, kept in the dark and fed shit like mushrooms and away from truth.
SpaceForce.
@Tessmage Tessera That's because a significant of the population thinks it would be a waste to go to space while there's still poverty and war down here on Earth (which is a stupid reason not to but I digress). They say that until we solve all our problems down here on Earth, space travel is a worthless and expensive endeavor. I agree with you that we should focus more on space, there are so many resources up there that we could use to solve problems like dwindling resources and the issue of energy. But alas, most people are so full of themselves and think they know way more than they do to actually listen to any of the actual experts (not that I claim to be one in any fashion).
I expected those low earth orbit Hiltons by the year 2000 :/
Elon Musk has enough change in his couch cushions to do it.
I have difficult to put into words just how deeply, profoundly and viscerally this video affects me. Thank you for making it exist.
We are proof a civilization can exist.
Yes, too many people forget this. If we are here it's incredibly possible we aren't the only ones. To think differently in my opinion is blatant ignorance.
true, temporarily.
@@hay7501 I don't know, to be honest. Yeah, it's stupid to think it's impossible, but I think it's unlikely we will meet them or find them during our lifetimes
We also try hard to prove a civ can destroy itself and its home world.
Unless we are in a simulated universe specifically modified to only allow one at a time.
55 minutes of my life that I don't want back. Fascinating!
I didn't even notice how long it was until I finished it! That's how you know it's good.
(55:01) + Commercials ⏳
Wow! This interview was great Dr. Loeb is full of information and his take on things is refreshing in my opinion. I have really enjoyed the other episodes but this one I think has been my favorite I can't wait to hear part two. Also thank you Dr. Loeb for doing these interviews.
Thanks Strick!
dr. loeb is indeed full of... information. i jest, it was interesting.
I can tell by the emotion in his voice that Dr. Loeb has a great deal of passion for his research, but I can also hear the frustration in his voice as he's making his argument. I imagine Dr. Loeb has encountered a great deal of scrutiny and probably even criticism for putting forth ideas outside of mainstream science. However I believe Dr. Loeb has some very good points about how past experiences cannot predict new discoveries; and how we have theories that have found acceptance in conventional science when we haven't discovered anything to even prove they're possible and yet we're so quick to dismiss the idea of extraterrestrial intelligence when we already have two examples that proves that it is at least possible (our existence, and the discovery of planets with the same atmospheric makeup as Earth). Now I wish to see a interview between Dr. Loeb and Dr. Karen Meech where they discuss Oumuamua.
I would honestly cry tears of joy if it were proven that Omuamua is indeed of artificial origin.
Saku Satola aliens are real, rest assured
some say it would tell us something very bad: ua-cam.com/video/UjtOGPJ0URM/v-deo.html
I believe it was a derelict spacecraft probably set out to Colonize our system not knowing we were here.
Something went wrong and the critters on board died and is now drifting in the void.
Rumor has it a secret branch of the military boarded it but I remain skeptical of the source.
Then go cry, they are real
@@steve1978ger that applies to simple life in our own solar system. Not interstellar alien civilizations.
Dr. Loeb is a brilliant man who has the courage to think out of the box. Thank you Dr. Loeb. And thank you JMG for a great channel.
They have painted this guy as a loon and after listening to him I see its unfounded. He isn't extreme about his views and he covers multiple possibilities. This is how scientific theories begin.
True, too often science labels someone a "loon" because of thoughts outside of common accepted theories. It goes against the very nature of science to dismiss something out of hand just because it is different.
I will take the loon over quackadamia
He was on Joe Rogan very recently! Check out the interview on Spotify (the JRE podcast is free to access). It was an excellent interview!
Fun Fact: "Oumuamua" is a Hawaiian word meaning "a first mesenger from afar" or "advance scout".
Yup. Very cool.
Very good 👍😁
Silver Surfer
Doing his scouting.
@@kothar6159 oh shit you know what that means...GALACTUS is coming
I also read Dr. Loeb's interview in The New Yorker. I'm fairly convinced that he is right. He is looking at the data much more rationally than any of his critics to date. It's never aliens, *until it is.* If there is ANY mundane explanation that can satisfactorily explain the 6 *different* peculiarities about this item, then lets hear them.
Matthew Grotke I agree, I am impressed with the amount of information given and how logical it is given.
So refreshing to see a comment section so civil and positive. I am glad to be a part of this comment section.
Is it me or did someone step up their game on the intro editing
The CGI backdrops get better, some beautiful.
The star patterns (constellations) are genuine.
Lectures have no music. *NO MUSIC* .. please
All other videos on youtube on this topic have been either crackpots or scared little kittens not brave enough to be open minded. This content is in another league to all that junk, spectacular stuff. Thankyou.
And yet many in scientific orthodoxy are now branding the Dr. as a crackpot. I'll side with the crackpot over the rigid scientist.
@@TheHighlanderprime I don't get how. Just listen to his words, hes the only objective take my (very) limited research on the topic has shown. I say objective that strongly so he doesn't accept or discount anything without proof, unlike basically everyone else.
Also in my western existence, religion is all but invisible today. Im sure there are other places where that is not the case however, and im guessing jesus christ has a monopoly on peoples headspaces for otherworldly concepts. Im guessing could be a mainstream prejudice that's still sticking around.
@@karrde593 I think you missed the gist of my comment. I agree with you that Dr. Loeb actually is the true voice of objectivity and an open mind. That was my point. Too often times, science orthodoxy is reeked with biases based on known nature. Such bias tends to be dismissive of open minded position such as Dr. Loeb with regards to the alien hypothesis. The term "crackpot" aught not exist if one is truly objective and humble in science. The term has zero substantial value other than condescension and a personal attack. And the Doctor fits that bill of the truly objective. He wouldn't use the term "crackpot".
I loved his information. I find it objective and refreshing. He pointed out we all believe in the possibility of extra dimensions without physical proof, but just some obscure math few of us can even understand. Well the statistical math that says there is a possibility of life other than Earth is at least understandable.
Great interview.
@@karrde593 A) You find religion "all but invisible today", but still insist on attributing to it any small-mindedness among the people. So yeah, there's some prejudice at work there, for sure.
B) This guy may be more respectable than Giorgio Tsoukalos, but that just makes this the "respected scientist" version of ancient aliens clickbait.
It's speculation, based on guesswork, based on absence of evidence as evidence and then pure speculation from there. That's NOT "objective". The comparison to string theory is some kind of lame whataboutism that does NOTHING to provide support for his thesis that it's artificial.
Clickbait, he's promoting pure imagination. Which is great, but when his book comes out, it's gonna look like a von Daniken style grift. You don't think he's doing this with that end in mind?
I thought Godier was more level-headed than this but I guess he's taking the You Tube thing pretty serious now.
Thanks John as ever - this whole event has really set my mind racing!
Hooray! New Event Horizon! This show is great, and after seeing that post about the paper a couple days ago made me hyped for this episode. Thanks John for doing this series!
The sudden acceleration of Oumuamua away from the sun was always a curiously interesting observation for me, but I'm glad that the astronomy community is starting to provide hard data over about how strange and atypical that phenomenon really was.
Honestly, considering our own history of discovery followed by exploitation, I hope it's not a probe from an alien civilization. We'd probably be at the mercy of any civilization that could make the trip here in person.
Dr. Loeb makes such an excellent point. Why would mainstream science be so resistant to speculating on an "artificial origin" when this object defies pretty much *all* of the 'normal' expected, behavior?
because we are looking hard and yet have no observations suggesting that there might be. Unless someone actually finds evidence of an extraterrestrial civ the fermi paradox remains just that; a paradox, suggesting that the base assumption (that alien civs are coommon) is fundamentally wrong.
Actually, it's mostly for the same reason why mainstream scientists reject the idea of a handful of UFOs being of alien origin. It's resistance based on human arrogance.
@@TheHighlanderprime It really has nothing to do with human arrogance. Any extraterrestrial stellar civilization ought to be real easy to spot, infact a civilization with say a million years under its belt ought to have already colonized the entire galaxy by now even without FTL, in other words they should be right here in the billions in our own solar system. The Fermi Paradox and the Dyson Dilemma in particular should be considered heavy arguments against any explanation involving aliens.
That and the fact that saying "Aliens did it" is for all practical purposes very similar to saying "God did it", both is a dead end to inquiries into unexpected observations and both has a tendency to be a "God of the gaps" sort of deal.
-@@Aurgelmir87 Your argument is presumptuous because its trajectory is as well speculative because you don't know how easily detectable an alien technology that's a million years ahead of ours would be. "Any extraterrestrial stellar civilization ought to be real easy to spot"
In fact, our technology may not be able to detect alien crafts if they're getting here using a technology that operates outside of the space-time matrix. I do not know this. But since science doesn't know that it as well, we aught to remain open to the idea.
Your argument actually legitimize my "arrogance" argument because it presupposes that it knows because our brand of science says so. As Dr. Loeb suggested, if you don't know as a scientist, don't use your own knowledge and preconception as an argument that you have the best idea. No the idea of "alien" is not synonymous to "god". People who believe in science above all else too often tend to want to bring god into the argument to assert certainty over faith. This isn't my angle. My angle is simply to keep an open mind and not allow a prejudicial trigger against the alien possibility to over take your argument because that qualifies as close-mindedness.
@@TheHighlanderprime Look if the Aliens have to be invisible and live outside of time and space then I really shouldn´t have to spell out the problem to you.
This is exactly what I ment when I compared it to explaining things by means of God and how it is a God of the Gaps sort of deal; its a unfalsifiable hypothesis about an undetectable agent acting in mysterious ways that can be inserted into anything not yet explained. It doesn´t matter if you call that agent ET or God, the mechanics of the argument are the same.
Parts of the scientific community have explained things by means of aliens before (canals on mars, pulsars etc.) and have so far been wrong every time. I would require real evidence that *specifically* point to an alien origin before accepting such an explanation, just saying "this is wierd therefore aliens probably" just doesn´t cut it.
Loving the continued coverage on Oumuamua, and Dr. Loeb communicates these concepts well.
Always good stuff from Event Horizon. Awesome that you keep getting Dr. Loeb, fascinating topic.
I'm so thankful Dr Loeb so generous with his time. He's a great interviewee
the fact about the object being in the local standard of rest is the most peculiar thing in my opinion. Either the math is wrong, we measured it wrong somehow or there is a natural process that boosts it to that frame. The alternative is that it's of artificial origin which is simply tantalizing.
there's likely a very simple explanation. like it came from the outskirts of the from the 1/500 star systems with that average speed.
I don't get the issue? It could be a piece from a bigger collision. It could have gotten a boost from other bodies, a black hole...
It tumbles over many axis. Would a solar sail move that way? Most likely not. Physics won't allow it.
My opinion. It's a sliver of matter broken off from a huge collision. The composition could be a rocky/metallic substance. Probably has been moving along for millions of years.
@@OmniMale But you're only working with conventional physics...
@@SKOLAH Perhaps.
very interesting and love the new editting!
When he started talking about laser propulsion that blew my mind.
If I understood it right it should be possible to catch it... so let’s Go!
probably wont happen, delays delays
Nope.
Got to build a damn wall.
Make war. Ug Ug.
Science? Medical advances? Exploration? Nanotech? Biotech? Knowledge? No, too expensive.
War. Kill. We Humans are the greatest thing ever. BECAUSE WE CAN KILL EVERYTHING
(/s in case no one gets it)
M aXa M, If you start the Indiegogo campaign, I'm in for $20.
not catch it, just get close enough to use a telescope
Could we fire a laser at it with a hologram picture message of, say, a hexagon? A laser travelling at the speed of light would catch up with Oumuamua.
Thank you Mr Godier and Dr Loeb
If Twitter had been around during Gallileo's time, he would simply have been censored and banned without a word.
get over it your guy lost
Responding to the part where Dr. Loeb argued against the UFO/ET hypothesis because of our sophisticated detection from .43 to .45 capabilities of our equipments:
The Defense Intelligence Agency(DIA) had a program called Advanced Aerial Threat Identification Program(AATIP) which studied UFOs from 2007 to 2012. Because of these UFOs' impossible aviation performances, the scientific investigative staff from the AATIP pretty much eliminated the possibility that these distinct UFOs that they've studied are man-made. The paper released from the AATIP program was released by the freedom of information act. And the group of scientists had to hypothesize based on scientific probability as to how these aerial objects got here. And their conclusion is that these unknown crafts which aren't tracked to any other sources on earth, are likely using a gravity cancelling technology to explain the speed and performance that well succeeded anything that our physics can explain.
If aliens are using technology that violates the space time matrix, then our equipment may not detect or see these aliens coming.
This article backed by very credible sources explain that angle of the UFO argument.
www.unknowncountry.com/news/list-dias-secret-ufo-study-projects-has-been-revealed?fbclid=IwAR3SR-4vqHqsu0MYaJfKO8-rBsEKJF2wZaLKgrflTQ8IqfV0UQ-tlZ4Yyg4
I understand why some people are sceptical about initiating contact with superior alien species. Valid point. But also it is more logical for an advanced species to be explorers in nature and not conquerors. Universe is a cesspool of culture so why not understand all of it.
It's fear based on projection. We fear they might be like us, at least historically.
'Well, is our probe travelling at 0.2c yet?'
'Not quite'
'Why, what happened??'
'Umm, we vapourised it...'
Here's what convinced me it was an alien recon craft. Go look at the trajectory of Oumuamua on the NASA simulator. This object dropped in from the top of the solar system
It intentionally avoided being seen until 5 days after it had passed Earth. It flew down behind the Sun at the exact time that Earth was o the opposite side, completely hiding itself from view.
Then, it swoops down and come back up through the solar plane, not out in the middle of the solar system, but right through the goldilocks zone of our solar system. The exact route a recon craft would take to observe a planet with potential life.
We dont know where its going, but we can assume its going back to its mothership with all the data it collected as it passed. That means we should be expecting something huge to happen within this year.
Hi I'm from the future and unfortunately no aliens have shown up yet😔
Such an underrated channel. Subscribed!
Thanks for asking good questions and allowing the guests to answer them without interruption; a breath of fresh air.
I just discovered this channel and it’s awesome! I like the fact that the possibility of alien technology is considered here and discussed in detail. I have the feeling most scientists are afraid to make such claims despite the evidence of omuamua. More of this please!
Dr. Loeb, obviously doesn't worry about being blackballed by the scientific community. I respect him!
I love entertaining the idea that aliens are trolling us after having downloaded arthir c clarke’s Rendezvous with Rama 👌🍻
Don't trust an alien that illegally downloads literature
What did Arthur really know though.
@@Titere05 haha i literally loled to that. Thanks for the chuckle
I hope another interstellar object visit our system soon
Careful what you wish for
Comet Borisov is on the way! That only took 8 months.
Potentially 100 trillion weird, possibly artificial, objects in the suns Oort cloud alone? Reminds me a bit of Von Neumann probe predictions.
Astonishing.
@Possert74 lol returned back home after a vacation..
@@impaugjuldivmax lol. Wanted to see what became of Wakanda.
Possert74 Who says it has to be from a “Human” Civilization? The dinosaurs had 200 million years to evolve into something intelligent...
@@Barabel22 Earth IS home for the dinosaurs.
Can’t think of a better way to end my day than with a JMG original.
Ha, I was just getting my drinks and snacks sorted to unwind with Isaac Arthur's new video.
thank you for providing us with facts of what we know so far about Oumuamua and for corralling them together and bringing some solid and legitimate questions. So refreshing.
I failed my new years resolution...I hit like before I have watched it.
This is not going to stop me from completing my mission.
What if something detached from Oumuamua after arriving here? Thrt would explain the speed boost without outgasing. Something as small as project starshot's envisioned payload?
He said in the video it would have lost 10% of it's mass to get the speed it's going.
That really is an interesting observation. The object would definitely speed up suddenly if it dropped a payload. Possibly even tumbling the way it was to sling shot the pay load towards us. It also sped up right when it becane level with the solar plane and close to Earth.
I honestly never thought of this possibility, but it would make sense. Perhaps a message in a bottle orca recon sattelite.
@@desertweasel6965 NASA's (JPL's) proposed-but-never-built solar sail propelled Halley's Comet rendezvous probe of the mid-1970s would have jettisoned its sail module after matching orbits with the comet's nucleus, about four years after its 1979 or 1980 launch. After this, the jettisoned sail module (the spacecraft bus was very similar to that of the Voyager 1 & 2 outer planet probes, fitted with a smaller [about 4' diameter] Mariner-type dish antenna), unburdened of its load, would have weighed much less, and thus accelerated more rapidly.
Please go on Joe Rogans podcast! It would be awesome to hear you guys chat!
Can't wait for the @p1ngtrip version 😁
Everyone reading this who has a Twitter account, let Joe Rogan know on Twitter you'd like to see John Michael Godier on his Podcast. If there are enough people showing interest, it will definitely happen. Remember, Joe Rogan has a much larger audience so there HAS to be public interest in seeing John on his podcast for his team to even consider it. It's up to you guys, my tweet is out!
@@NoName-nq8vc looks like I'm making a Twitter account
sparrowfart do it. Link us with the proof ;)
Ohhhhh yes that's a great idea.
The problem is not the status-quo gut feelings when rejecting the plausibility of objects with alien origins. It's simply the fact that astrophysicists (like any sane group of professionals) are not interested in jeopardizing, or ending, their careers by hypothesizing explanations aligned with pop-cultural fantasies and UFO believers.
Interjecting culture and politics into any scientific enterprise limits the scope of what science is willing to pursue and impedes what science already deems valid. The gut feeling is: "Do I risk everything I've spent my entire life pursuing for an hypothesis that will be ridiculed out of hand...because that path has already been paved by superstition, ignorance and political nonsense?"
Hey john micheal Godier
Nice work on the videos man. Keep it up. Super interesting stuff!
I still like to believe that it is an interplanetary, extraordinary craft like in Arthur C. Clarke's novel "Rendezvous with Rama".
Either we are alone in the universe or we are not, both are equally terrifying. -Arthur C. Clarke
Astronomers from the Max Planck institute used Gaia data to narrow its origin to 2 possibilities. Red Dwarf HIP 3757, 81 LY away; and Yellow Dwarf HD 292249 135 LY away.
Dr Avi makes lots of great points. Love your channel JMG ❤
I love these interviews. You cover such fascinating subjects, and your guests are always great.
Very interesting interview, devoid of all the phony drama of so many pop science vids. Thanks for uploading it.
Here's an analogy: Imagine 1 billion years in the future; a tumbling Voyager 1, covered with interstellar space dust, passing through a solar system with intelligent life, such as ours ...
I suggest other such space objects have hit the south poles of earth and the moon.
Also if artificial, possibly is a voyager returning to its launch site, earth.
"eryn knight" is such a badass name... :P
We should look for more Oumaumua's circumnavigating star systems.
Nice job using stock footage and applying it to the interview! That must have taken some time. Well done! You rock......lol get it?
One reason to maneuver so that you are at "local standard of rest" ... it makes finding the origin almost impossible.
Another awesome video ! Thank you
Never fail to astonish sir
I’m sick of seeing people say “but it just looks like a rock” omg they don’t know what it looks like the pictures are just an artists impression, it could look like my arse for all we know 😂
Or mine.
*heads off to photocopier to submit evidence*
If your arse is ten+ times as wide as it is tall 😂
Very interesting, LSST ( New telescope much more sensitive than Pan-Starrs) become operational within 3 years, and if we don't find any comparable objects within 1-2 years of search, Oumuamua might be a rare object, and we have to chase it down to know more about it.
go get it with STARSHOT as someone above said!
A lot of UA-camrs put distracting music in their videos. But the music in your videos is really nice. Thank you for that.
Thinking about life in the Universe can be a lonely endeavor when you have very few peers to discuss your ideas with. Thank God for Professor Loeb! It's good to know you're not alone with your thoughts about extraterrestrial intelligence and civilizations when he speaks. I am counting every minute until I finally receive my pre-ordered copy of his new book, "Extraterrestrial: The First Sign of Intelligent Life Beyond Earth."
If I had some guesses to its nature, I'd say it's natural. However it's also a rather large magnet. Some kind of ferrous metal, relatively pure in the elemental sense, that's strongly magnetized. That would help explain the elongated shape, as the accretion of any other loose metal materials would be in relation to the magnetic poles. (So instead of settling into something round, it gets longer.) The interaction of the magnetic field with the solar wind would also explain the property of acceleration during its flyby with the sun.
So it's a metallic rock that happens to be a bar magnet.
Aliens probably saw spectrographic indications of oxygen, methane, etc and said: "hey that planet may have life; lets send a probe". It's pretty logical. It was sent long ago, and the civilization is probably extinct by now, but that would explain away the improbable likelihood of such an object arriving randomly.
Starting at the 4:00 mark, Stelardrone playing softly in the background.
Dr. Loeb should talk with Les Johnson, the NASA solar sail researcher. He developed a fibrous, silvery, high-temperature flexible sail material that is self-deploying because it's rather elastic. It is also significantly thicker than 1 millimeter. A metal-mesh sail (rather like the magnesium "hair" inside old-style flashbulbs) could be created by artificial--or possibly natural, like the "Pele's hair" volcanic glass--means. If such an object spun rather rapidly, it could be stretched out (like a metallic "dust bunny") into a pancake shape, as Dr. Loeb mentioned (the rapidly-spinning nucleus of Comet Giacobini-Zinner, due to its light curve, is also widely thought to be pancake-shaped, being about eight times as wide as it is thick).
Perhaps it is an alien scout satellite and the mothership is on it's way to us as we speak😳? Think I should do my laundry just incase.
Well, oumuamua does mean scout in Hawaiian dialects, so possible! Hope so, actually.
@@rumi2245 - I believe it means "Visitor from afar" but I could be wrong.
Perhaps Earth was recce'd millions of years ago & seeded with life to create an oxygenated atmosphere on what was then a sterile planet. The latest probe was a passive pre-landing check for the main party of galactic colonists coming to take over their new home. Will we be food or friends?
@@mikeharrington5593 what if we are just like insects under their space flippers. barely noticed, and a pest at their picnics?..or...perhaps we are Viruses in their petri dishes, and they are merely checking their experiments before they head home for the evening?... the possibilities are endless.
The man speaking is very scholarly. He does a really good job explaining the scientific rationale. Which you dont get so smoothly from mainstream sources of popular science. I also enjoy the non rhetoric of him as different from pop science.
Brilliant
Listening to this on the day that Perseverance landed on Mars! Exciting stuff all around.
Do you think we'll ever find intelligent life on Earth?
Not if we look in the direction of people who write completely unoriginal comments on UA-cam.
@@philsurtees HA!
Not in DC ...
___ if you don't count as intelligent then no
Dolphins are pretty smart tho
Always happy to see a new upload from this channel. :)
"The Rahmans always do things in threes" :)
I believe the ramans turned out to be god. Or the creator if you prefer.
I've figured out what may have caused Oumuamua to speed up as it rounded the Sun. It released a smaller craft as if it were shooting a gun backwards, and this allowed the released craft to be moving much slower in relation to our solar system, and Oumuamua to speed up. I wonder if there isn't a smaller ship or probe that isn't here right now looking at us?
Ok!?
Aaaand Anna/Eryn just won me over on the character. Marvel can't do a Deadpool knockoff with my approval, but you can.
I think it behaved very similar to the object in the book "Rendezvous with Rama".
"Nothing is us rich as nature herself, she shows us only surfaces but she's a million fathoms deep".... Ralph Waldo Emerson
“When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.” I kept remembering this quote throughout the interview. This might be it. This might be our first confirmed extra terrestrial artificial object sighting.
Thanks John I could listen to him all day.
The Dark Forest Theory really has me concerned for our safety.
That was a real treat. Thanks to you both.
Keep up the great work John/Event Horizon! Absolutely fascinating.
WOW this is insane... I thought it was said that it was a rock ? If its a sheet/sail, surely we could discern it from its density ? WTF is going on around here ?
Also, how about the speed ? Shouldn't a light sail traverse at a much higher speed ? Also shouldnt it slow down as it gets closer to sun ?
Dr. Loeb published this new paper two days ago.
"‘Oumuamua’s Geometry Could be More Extreme than Previously Inferred"
www.cfa.harvard.edu/~loeb/SL.pdf
Arda: We didn't observe it until it had already passed us, so I don't think we have data on its acceleration/deceleration as it was approaching.
We also couldn't "see" it in the sense that we have a detailed photo of it and so we can't know what it was made of, or even its shape. We only observed the intensity of light that was reflected off it, which had a certain rhythm to it, leading us to believe it was (and is) rotating. The light's pattern can tell us a lot about its *possible* shapes, but given the variables involved (reflectivity, width/height, density, what substance it's made of, etc.), we can't absolutely conclude which one is correct.
Oumuamua's acceleration is significantly greater than that of comparably-sized objects such as comets, implying a vastly lower density. The lack of observable outgassing does seem to imply that the acceleration is due to light pressure on a low-density object.
I would expect a light sail to traverse at much higher speed if its ultimate destination was elsewhere and it had no interest in the system it was passing through. However if its purpose was to observe our system and maybe deploy small probes then i would expect it to lose as much speed as possible prior to doing that. I suspect that it did decelerate significantly on approaching the Sun, but we have no data to confirm or deny that.
The tumbling nature of Oumuamua's recent motion could be taken as an indication that it is defunct. Perhaps newly defunct, having just recently completed its purpose; or perhaps it has been defunct for many millions of years and it was just a coincidence that it passed so close to Earth at such a low speed. Or it could just be playing dead. If it is still active then it may be departing relatively slowly so that deployed probes have a chance of rejoining it with whatever samples they have collected.
Too slow for a probe. Too slow for a light sail. Just right for a jettisoned Whipple shield.
Martin Gradwell
Oh God don't talk about deployed probes! They're gonna go right into my ass!!!
One of the most interesting people to listen to.
Get that Project Starshot going and chase it down!
STARSHOTS! That's the best reason to have one even better than going to Alpha. Quick chase to anything we see weird, and also to asteroids that might hit us. Send a starshot see what it's made of. you smart.
In class making some tests for myself. Event Horizon playing on my headphones. Best way to focus :)
Rebel!
Hi John, love your shows and amazing guests. Do you have any podcasts available? If so please tell.
what a great interview. thanks
Avi is correct. And he sparked controversy because he is not arrogant, as a lot of academics are.
Where did it come from? Where did it go? Where did it come from Dr. Avi Loeb?
Ah ..ha ha... I see whatcha did there
If it hadn't been for Dr. Avi Loeb
I'd been married a long time ago
Flippy, a little late on the uptake, but a thumbs up anyhow for the trying... LOL
Hi JMG, this topic is back in the news. Any plan to have another conversation with Dr. Loeb?
John, this is an excellent interview, you ask very good questions. From this, it seems like we are very close at calling this object artificial.
Don't jump to conclusions until we know for sure. Right now all we can say is that it's a particularly odd object, we need more data to say anything for certain.
Reflective objects are also poor black body radiators, the more reflective it is the harder it is to see the IR
Youre Chanel will blow up man! Love your voice and content! Much love from Germany.🖖😎
By no means am I the sort of person to shout "aliens" every time we discover something unusual, just the opposite, but Oumuamua really is a very strange object. The solar system has been here for nearly 5 billion years, and Oumuamua passes through at the exact time when life within the system has developed the technical ability to detect it. There would need to thousands (or even millions) of such objects passing through the solar system all the time to prevent that from being an incredible coincidence. It'll be very interesting to see if we discover any more.
Can i get a signed photo of Anna please?
Right. Lol
I'd be happy if I could get her voice for Mycroft.
Would you like that in punchcard form? Because if so, we can accommodate as John is yet to upgrade.
Hi ANNA, can u pass on to John that the world's last keypunch operater died in 2014.
@@dirremoire Mycroft you say... I'm always up for donating work to OS projects.
When I first heard of the object's dimensions, tumbling and trajectory, I immediately thought of it as a likely derelict of another civilization. Oumuamua could well be an interplanetary spacecraft that suffered damage en route and was unable to brake down from a stellar escape velocity. It might also be jettisoned tankage from a space vehicle. Either way, the object could have been wandering interstellar space for a vast period of time, carrying with it samples of the technology of a species long vanished. The possibility alone makes it vital that an intercept be attempted as soon as our own technology permits.
I was starting to get tired of listening to your frequent reporting on Oumuamua, because I thought the topic had become trite. Then, a few days ago, I read a report by some Harvard professor who made a claim that it's a light sail. Obviously, it's not the first claim of this kind. Others have made it and were dismissed, but this particular report seemed to gain some traction on social media. I knew you'd be taking the topic up again, and I was interested to hear your thoughts. Glad to see you posted a new video on the topic I felt was becoming trite.
Dr. Loeb is literally the author of that paper :) He's the head of the Dept. of Astronomy at Harvard.