I'm still very happy with my choice of the Pro 3 SE, while it has a differnt low end, but still nice, it just has so many other features that expand the gamut of audio creation.
I recently decided that I am going to be really pushing some patch match videos in the next few weeks because they are so easy to make (I dont have to write a script or worry about looking like a goof on camera) and they are so insighful when it comes to comparing two very similar products like these two beauties! Thanks a lot for the kind words!
Great faceoff! For this style of patch, the short answer is: Moog by a country mile. The long answer? The Moog's BIG fundamental and bubbly, fizzy resonance make it sound so commanding. That said, I definitely hear magic in the high end of the Pro 3 in this demo. I imagine it would be my choice for EDM styles and sparkly, paraphonic pads.
The short answer is dumb like robfowler. Both instruments have s different approach to reach a specific character. Ask moog and sequential whats behind those instruments they would give you a deep inside. The pro3 is a low end weapon and never weaker than moog. But most important is the fact, that it is just taste. It is always subjectiv. No matter who or how many says something. If you have a different taste it doesn't matter. And i think you don't hear whats going on in this simple patches as it seems. Maybe you should do a little more synth training than spreading bullshit. That is the long story😉
For the raw sound i would pick the moog. I've owned the Sub37 but had to sell it becouse it was the only synth i had and i needed more flexibility. But the moog made me fall in love with paraphonic synths. It's just how the oscillators interact with each other that gives these synths such a nice sound, but the sub37 is just something else. Now i have an OB-6, novation Peak, moog matriarch and Arp odyssey, and i'm thinking about selling the Matriarch to get a PRO 3. The Arp oddysey is filling the sub37 gap, and i think for what i want to do, the PRO-3 could give me all the experimental desire i'm searching for with the ability to save presets and alot more modulations than my Matriarch has to offer. But i like both synths in this video, one is not better then the other imo. Both have it's place.
I think that overall, the Sub 37’s raw tone is amazing and maybe better than just the raw organic tone of the Pro-3. The Pro-3 outshines it when adding in the distortion, feedback, and drive. The Pro-3’s sequencer also whoops up on the Sub 37s. I think Sequential’s “ladder filter” on here is missing that juicy Moog quality, while the other two filters on here kick ass and don’t miss anything. The Pro-3 also excels at processing external audio - try using it as a giant guitar pedal and you’ll see what I mean.
FWIW, the Pro 3 can sound more like a Moog if the resonance compensation feature is turned off and the oscillator levels are turned down. It tries to add the missing bass back, and this can be really nice sometimes, but it sounds less Moog-like and it becomes a bit prone to clipping.
So I just sold my 37 to fund a Pro3 as my only monosynth in an effort to incorporate some less well-trodden sounds into my productions. It'll be my main bass and lead machine. Hoping that wasn't a mistake! Great vid thanks :)
@@Fauxleroid Update, I sold the Pro3. It just could not stand up to the 37 for many of the sounds I like. I can get by entirely in the box but if I could only have one mono synth it might genuinely be the 37 - the different filter slopes and the multi drive take it to another level. That’s just me though. It’s richer. Also the interface is quite good I found? Pretty much knob or button per function bar automating stuff but even then there’s a trick to just touch the knob you want to activate it ..
@@benjaminalfred4383 I did the same thing. I didn’t sell the Moog, but I did buy the Pro 3 to try it out wondering if it could replace my Moog. Short answer: NO. lol sent the Pro 3 back where it came from. I’m a Sequential fan btw. I own Prophet 6 and Rev 2. Loved the Prophet 12 but sold for my Waldorf M. I’m gonna buy the P12 again because the Waldorf M does not replace it.
A video like this has been needed for some time. Thank you. I've been wondering about how they compare for the past year. Just going by feature list you'd think the pro 3 would replace the sub37. The standard version even has the same footprint. I finally got one a month ago and I've found that in practice they are each better at different types of sounds so I'm keeping both. There's more to it than the filter, the oscillators, drive, feedback, distortion and type of paraphony are all radically different on the pro 3. It's almost like instead of replacing the sub, Dave Smith designed a companion that would cover the other types of sounds the moog doesn't but threw in a ladder filter so you can kinda get in the ballpark if you don't have one.
You nailed it, Harold. I don’t own either synth, but wouldn’t mind owning both. To me, the Pro 3 is more compelling and seems more my style because of the modulation possibilities , but I do like how easily the Moog does the round, fat bass and gets funky. The ladder filter on the Pro 3 seems to get close enough, but I don’t see too many people take it into that territory. Not sure if it’s harder for the Pro 3 to nail that sound, or if it’s just that people drawn to the Pro 3 aren’t as interested in that sort of sound.
My thoughts exactly, and after owning Pro 2 and Phatty, then Sub 37, I got rid of Subsequent 37 and kept Pro 2 and Pro 3. I guess that's just my thing. Yeah Subs do moog low end cream...but Pro 3 oscillator 3 and multi filter mode offer more possibilities. And really, it is not that hard to get really close to moog creamy bass on Pro 3.
A really, REALLY nice comparison video. 🔥🔥🔥👌🏻 Could have used it a little earlier, but I still stand by my choice of buying the Pro3. Not because of the sound, but it seems to be more versatile (as always, matter of personal preference).
sold my sub37 6 months ago. guess I will buy another one eventually :P both sound great. I think I prefer the Moog fundamental but the pro3 versatiliy.
@@MRTUNA I don't know why everybody tries to trash the Sub 37? It's a fantastic synth. I understand it's not for everybody but I can't do a song without it. And I won't. The Sub 37 is just that good.
Nice comparison, seems like a pretty fair fight. The Moog seems to do the Moog sound better, something I suspected from my experience with my own Pro 3 trying to get it to nail Minimoog patches. That being said, the filter tends to end up more open on the Pro 3, maybe due to the way the knobs are calibrated? For example, the filter EG amount knob set to +80 opens the filter up as much as a minimoog filter contour at maximum. +80 is just a little more than halfway up...just one reason the Pro 3 loses this comparison in my opinion, it tends to open up too wide...part of the price of being more flexible
I’m curious, In the past I’ve owned a sub 37 and sub phatty and sold them both because they didn’t feel that organic. Now I use a slim phatty and it’s got a very sweet filter/overdrive and rounder vcos. I wonder if in these 2 departments, the pro3 would kinda feel like the subs?
That is one of the most stupid answers i came across since a long time. If thats your problem, maybe you should skip to another instrument. It opens to wide? Maybe turn the knob countercw? Is that something you connect with sweetspot? Or is that the right way to implement it? Don't get it.
Yes, that is also my experience. The sub and pro 3 sound nice and have their own thing going on, but to me they sound both very stiff. The pro3 needs modulation very much i think. But it has a deep martrix. It really gives the pro3 much more appeal. Thats my opinion about that.
@@markus6409 I think you're missing the point of my comment. The tendency of the instrument IS important, especially if you're working quickly. The fact that Tuna had an easier time making the Sub 37 sound good is evidence of that. I just pointed out a reason why it sounded better.
I have both and I can confirm that they absolutely both rock, for different reasons. The Moog will shake the foundations of the building, whilst the Pro 3 can go from smooth to sounding like Satan has overtaken machine itself
The Sub37 makes it easier to make nice-sounding simple patches, in classic subtractive-monosynth style. It also has a really nice "multidrive" effect for creamy distorted sounds. The Pro 3 makes it easier to do pretty much everything else. It's vastly more versatile, offering a dramatically bigger feature set yet simultaneously having an overall simpler interface with less menuing. It's almost as flexible as a small eurorack, but with no need for actual wires since all the patches are virtual. The Sub37 is great for performing musicians who want classic analog monosynth sounds and don't want to dive very deep into sound design. It mostly "just works" and its entire range, though limited, is basically all "sweet spot". It's hard to make a bad sound come out. The Pro 3 is great for musicians who want a massive sonic playground to explore, with everything they need provided in a single box. It's so deep it's nearly impossible to exhaust the possibilities, but is also weirdly easy to use. It's the type of instrument one could spend a lifetime with, without ever using the same sound twice. ... and last I checked, they both sell for the same price -- about 1600 USD. Both are great. There is no wrong answer here.
Great vid , I have a Pro 3 but had a sub 37 a while back , I never liked the sound of it, something in the mid range, maybe just my room ? Anywho , I much prefer the sound of the more recent moogs , Matriarch & GMother. I feel you have to really drive the pro 3 Ladder filter , but haven’t really got on with it. The Prophet and V State are much better.
Sub37 seems to have a very dark, modern, always dusty/overdriven sound … It’s not vintage Moog, at all. Pro3 seems to be able to do just about everything … it can be clean, or driven - plus that tuned feedback …
Can't wait to get rid of my Sub37 to get a Pro3. I just hate the interface of the sub37. There's just no subtlety to the controls. LFO as soon as its out of the notch is just too much. I just don't enjoy programming it and the keyboard (on my older one) is horrific. Is they keyboard on the pro3 same as the prophet 6/rev2?
In the menu of the Sub37 you could adjust the controller amount which drastically changed the intensity. I loved the sub37 but was always fighting to make it work in my music. Just ordered a Pro3 tonight. Given I have moog Grandmother and B Model D I think it’ll be available to fill a lot of spots
The sound of the MOOG is sooo distinctive, but the interface is annoying (pointing ove/r down up etc) One of the weird things (unless I am missing it) is that the Pitch bend (numeric setting) on the PRO 3 only goes up half as much as the MOOG. Why? Anyway, you cannot really go wrong as they are both pretty crazy to have.
Nice video Mr TUNA!!! can u help me please... I just bought the Pro 3, second-hand, at a good price... I don't know if it's what I'm looking for, I haven't tried the Sub 37, I know they are different synths, however which of the two in your opinion can emulate better the sounds of the Mini Moog??? I like 70's prog rock mainly, and when playing live I need a synth that has presets so the Behringer clon is not an option... I don't know whether to sell the Pro 3 and buy a Sub 37 or not... thank you!
Mr Tuna Music, would you like to borrow my Moog Subsequent 37 and Syntrx for an indefinite amount of time? I live in Harrison Hot Springs but my wife has the car. ‘I’m not telling her at all’ that I have both synths Emailing now... You have my permission to showcase it on YT.
Hmmm... as much as I like the thought of having the audio input on the SEM filter with the pro 3, I think I would still have to just cough up the extra cash for a OB-6 module. But the pro 3 is a killer in where you can go with it sonically over the OB.
@@AiryckSterrett yea, its more like tuned resonance. Not at all like my moog 37cv or minibrute which actually scale the filter. Kbd trk on those synths act like a second cutoff w or wo resonance. On the P3 it only works on the resonance.
Have both for a couple of years now. Was a purchaser of a Pro-One when it originally CAME OUT! Anyways both (Pro-3) and Moog, are completely insanely awesome. I think of this occasionally, and here is my take...Portamento is a large consideration if you use a synth for soloing...MOOG is much more customizable is this respect with 3 types, and a gated mode. Looping envelopes is a fantastic option on the MOOG, and although the Pro-3 has them, they aren't tempo lockable....you can get some crazy tempo-synched stuff happening even make it SWING! But the richness of the MOOG overpowers even the third osc. and Mod possibilities the Pro-3 offers. MOOG wins! Hands down, or up...whatever!🤩😍😎
Do you people have sex with your synths? Also nothing sounds like the pro3 or other synth. I wouldn't call both synth organic. Both are stiff and clear. But also nice.
I could never understand the hype. The Pro 3 sounds and looks like plastic, weird and thin.... comparable to vst's or arturia's brutes. Moog all the way! Thanks for Comparsion mr tuna
Moog is a clear winner in this challenge. The Moog is much richer, deeper, intense and has an extra quality that comes through. However the Pro 3 sounds good for what it is.
@@brianlespoir6287 That sounds plausible, my moogs do that too. But still the non-resonant sound has a lot more low end, and as long as you're conservative with the resonance, it will basically blow anything else out of the water when it comes to low end :)
@@payt01 You could call me a Moog fan boy, because I have many. There is a small difference, it is noticeable, but after mixing a song it isn't noticeable. So it doesn't really matter. The Moog is a Moog, it has that Moog thing what the Pro doesn't, because of the Moog VCO's. They are great synths.
Eyeroll at all the Moog knob-slobbers. The Pro-3 is just as sick, if not even more so.. and if you don't know it, you're intentionally ignoring this fact.
I had both at once. I honestly preferred the sound of Moog. It was deeper and more round. The Pro 3 was a bit too mid range for me. Wasn’t hitting the spot like Moog was. I sent the Pro 3 back. I’m happy with my Subsequent 37.
@@trueneutral3092 it’s up to the programmer. Not all my patches sound the same. And yes, the Pro 3 has more bells and whistles to be more versatile, I agree on that. My use for the Subsequent 37 is for bass duty mainly. If I didn’t have other synths and I was choosing between those two only, I would probably go with the Pro 3. But Moog is so bad ass at solid deep bass. I have a Virus TI2 Darkstar, Prophet 6, Waldorf M, Rev 2, and my Subsequent 37. So you can probably see why I chose Moog over Pro 3.
I mean… the pro 3 is objectively better and more intuitive etc… but the Moog actually loves you the next morning and gives you hugs and breakfast while the pro 3 leaves money on the dresser expecting you to leave. I dunno. That prob doesn’t make sense but it’s intangible. The Moog is family, comfort, thick warm love. The Pro 3 is a sociopath that is realllllly good at convincing you it loves you, and sways you with glitz and glam. I’d guess when you walk up you’re more inclined to play the 37 just for the sheer feel of it. 🤌🏻 it’s my fav instrument regardless of how clumsy its menus are.
As a bassist that plays some synth bass, this makes me glad I got a Sub 37. Just such warm sounds .
Pro 3 it's magic!) favorite monosynth
love that Pro-3 sound, daaaaamn
Both of these sound insane. I can’t decide which I want to get.
I'm still very happy with my choice of the Pro 3 SE, while it has a differnt low end, but still nice, it just has so many other features that expand the gamut of audio creation.
I always appreciate these patch match and comparison videos you put out not to mention all the jams. Much love, from Vancouver BC
I recently decided that I am going to be really pushing some patch match videos in the next few weeks because they are so easy to make (I dont have to write a script or worry about looking like a goof on camera) and they are so insighful when it comes to comparing two very similar products like these two beauties!
Thanks a lot for the kind words!
bro that visual at the end was so raw
Great faceoff! For this style of patch, the short answer is: Moog by a country mile. The long answer? The Moog's BIG fundamental and bubbly, fizzy resonance make it sound so commanding. That said, I definitely hear magic in the high end of the Pro 3 in this demo. I imagine it would be my choice for EDM styles and sparkly, paraphonic pads.
The short answer is dumb like robfowler. Both instruments have s different approach to reach a specific character. Ask moog and sequential whats behind those instruments they would give you a deep inside. The pro3 is a low end weapon and never weaker than moog.
But most important is the fact, that it is just taste. It is always subjectiv. No matter who or how many says something. If you have a different taste it doesn't matter.
And i think you don't hear whats going on in this simple patches as it seems. Maybe you should do a little more synth training than spreading bullshit. That is the long story😉
Pro 3 slayed.
For the raw sound i would pick the moog. I've owned the Sub37 but had to sell it becouse it was the only synth i had and i needed more flexibility. But the moog made me fall in love with paraphonic synths. It's just how the oscillators interact with each other that gives these synths such a nice sound, but the sub37 is just something else. Now i have an OB-6, novation Peak, moog matriarch and Arp odyssey, and i'm thinking about selling the Matriarch to get a PRO 3. The Arp oddysey is filling the sub37 gap, and i think for what i want to do, the PRO-3 could give me all the experimental desire i'm searching for with the ability to save presets and alot more modulations than my Matriarch has to offer.
But i like both synths in this video, one is not better then the other imo. Both have it's place.
Both are amazing machines but the Pro3’s sequencer and 3rd filter make it stratospheric.
Both are incredible at what they do.
I think that overall, the Sub 37’s raw tone is amazing and maybe better than just the raw organic tone of the Pro-3. The Pro-3 outshines it when adding in the distortion, feedback, and drive. The Pro-3’s sequencer also whoops up on the Sub 37s. I think Sequential’s “ladder filter” on here is missing that juicy Moog quality, while the other two filters on here kick ass and don’t miss anything. The Pro-3 also excels at processing external audio - try using it as a giant guitar pedal and you’ll see what I mean.
FWIW, the Pro 3 can sound more like a Moog if the resonance compensation feature is turned off and the oscillator levels are turned down. It tries to add the missing bass back, and this can be really nice sometimes, but it sounds less Moog-like and it becomes a bit prone to clipping.
So I just sold my 37 to fund a Pro3 as my only monosynth in an effort to incorporate some less well-trodden sounds into my productions. It'll be my main bass and lead machine. Hoping that wasn't a mistake! Great vid thanks :)
I'm doing the same. Sub37 interface sucks.
@@Fauxleroid Update, I sold the Pro3. It just could not stand up to the 37 for many of the sounds I like. I can get by entirely in the box but if I could only have one mono synth it might genuinely be the 37 - the different filter slopes and the multi drive take it to another level. That’s just me though. It’s richer. Also the interface is quite good I found? Pretty much knob or button per function bar automating stuff but even then there’s a trick to just touch the knob you want to activate it ..
@@benjaminalfred4383 I did the same thing. I didn’t sell the Moog, but I did buy the Pro 3 to try it out wondering if it could replace my Moog. Short answer: NO. lol sent the Pro 3 back where it came from. I’m a Sequential fan btw. I own Prophet 6 and Rev 2. Loved the Prophet 12 but sold for my Waldorf M. I’m gonna buy the P12 again because the Waldorf M does not replace it.
I’m trying to decide between the P6 or Rev 2. Now I can only afford one. Tossed between 37,P6or Rev for R&b and gospel
@@cdauterive1. What did you do? I’d recomment Rev2, if it’s your only/main synth … it’s a versatile beast, and really shines in layered mode …
A video like this has been needed for some time. Thank you. I've been wondering about how they compare for the past year. Just going by feature list you'd think the pro 3 would replace the sub37. The standard version even has the same footprint. I finally got one a month ago and I've found that in practice they are each better at different types of sounds so I'm keeping both. There's more to it than the filter, the oscillators, drive, feedback, distortion and type of paraphony are all radically different on the pro 3. It's almost like instead of replacing the sub, Dave Smith designed a companion that would cover the other types of sounds the moog doesn't but threw in a ladder filter so you can kinda get in the ballpark if you don't have one.
totally agree with this. I ended up keeping the Pro3 and selling the Sub, but I still second guess myself all the time on that one!
You nailed it, Harold. I don’t own either synth, but wouldn’t mind owning both. To me, the Pro 3 is more compelling and seems more my style because of the modulation possibilities , but I do like how easily the Moog does the round, fat bass and gets funky. The ladder filter on the Pro 3 seems to get close enough, but I don’t see too many people take it into that territory. Not sure if it’s harder for the Pro 3 to nail that sound, or if it’s just that people drawn to the Pro 3 aren’t as interested in that sort of sound.
My thoughts exactly, and after owning Pro 2 and Phatty, then Sub 37, I got rid of Subsequent 37 and kept Pro 2 and Pro 3. I guess that's just my thing. Yeah Subs do moog low end cream...but Pro 3 oscillator 3 and multi filter mode offer more possibilities. And really, it is not that hard to get really close to moog creamy bass on Pro 3.
Nice! Unfortunatelly some patches you play are louder on the sub 37, then the pro 3.
The Moog is stratospheric but the Pro3 is interstellar. Depends on how far out you want take your music and sound design.
A really, REALLY nice comparison video. 🔥🔥🔥👌🏻
Could have used it a little earlier, but I still stand by my choice of buying the Pro3. Not because of the sound, but it seems to be more versatile (as always, matter of personal preference).
I think the pro3 is the one to have these days! and I didnt get any time to show off what makes it extra special-- that SEM filter!
@@MRTUNA maybe an idea for a new video 🤔
I wanted to see this comparison for a long time because choose Pro3 instead of sub :) thanks a lot!!
got some more to come too!
@@MRTUNA I also hungry to see UDO super 6 vs Arturia Polybrute but this sounds extremely expensive comparison but anyway I just love both lol
@@chrisyuo6474 i want both of those synths sooooo badly!
@@MRTUNA my credit card is already killed by polybrute…saving money for Super 6.. let’s get your review times higher then you can buy both lol hahaha
@@chrisyuo6474 UDO is a fine device, but do not get over hung up on it. I own Jupiter 6 that it models and..its not that.
Bro. Great comparison. Now I need both. Hahaha I have a 37 and a 25 but I need a pro 3 now
sold my sub37 6 months ago. guess I will buy another one eventually :P both sound great. I think I prefer the Moog fundamental but the pro3 versatiliy.
I'm going with the moog here, not because I have it but because it sounded more organic and musical in this comp.
sooo surprised by the moog sound here! I kinda give the sub a hard time sometimes after having my voyager xl
@@MRTUNA I don't know why everybody tries to trash the Sub 37? It's a fantastic synth. I understand it's not for everybody but I can't do a song without it. And I won't. The Sub 37 is just that good.
The Pro-3 had a smoother character, really liked it
This was only 1 of the 3 filters on the Pro 3, folks … I love me some SEM Bass !!
Nice comparison, seems like a pretty fair fight. The Moog seems to do the Moog sound better, something I suspected from my experience with my own Pro 3 trying to get it to nail Minimoog patches. That being said, the filter tends to end up more open on the Pro 3, maybe due to the way the knobs are calibrated? For example, the filter EG amount knob set to +80 opens the filter up as much as a minimoog filter contour at maximum. +80 is just a little more than halfway up...just one reason the Pro 3 loses this comparison in my opinion, it tends to open up too wide...part of the price of being more flexible
I’m curious,
In the past I’ve owned a sub 37 and sub phatty and sold them both because they didn’t feel that organic. Now I use a slim phatty and it’s got a very sweet filter/overdrive and rounder vcos.
I wonder if in these 2 departments, the pro3 would kinda feel like the subs?
That is one of the most stupid answers i came across since a long time. If thats your problem, maybe you should skip to another instrument. It opens to wide? Maybe turn the knob countercw?
Is that something you connect with sweetspot? Or is that the right way to implement it? Don't get it.
Yes, that is also my experience. The sub and pro 3 sound nice and have their own thing going on, but to me they sound both very stiff. The pro3 needs modulation very much i think. But it has a deep martrix. It really gives the pro3 much more appeal. Thats my opinion about that.
@@markus6409 I think you're missing the point of my comment. The tendency of the instrument IS important, especially if you're working quickly. The fact that Tuna had an easier time making the Sub 37 sound good is evidence of that. I just pointed out a reason why it sounded better.
Mr. Tuna knows things that other people don’t know.
I have both and I can confirm that they absolutely both rock, for different reasons. The Moog will shake the foundations of the building, whilst the Pro 3 can go from smooth to sounding like Satan has overtaken machine itself
The Sub37 makes it easier to make nice-sounding simple patches, in classic subtractive-monosynth style. It also has a really nice "multidrive" effect for creamy distorted sounds.
The Pro 3 makes it easier to do pretty much everything else. It's vastly more versatile, offering a dramatically bigger feature set yet simultaneously having an overall simpler interface with less menuing. It's almost as flexible as a small eurorack, but with no need for actual wires since all the patches are virtual.
The Sub37 is great for performing musicians who want classic analog monosynth sounds and don't want to dive very deep into sound design. It mostly "just works" and its entire range, though limited, is basically all "sweet spot". It's hard to make a bad sound come out.
The Pro 3 is great for musicians who want a massive sonic playground to explore, with everything they need provided in a single box. It's so deep it's nearly impossible to exhaust the possibilities, but is also weirdly easy to use. It's the type of instrument one could spend a lifetime with, without ever using the same sound twice.
... and last I checked, they both sell for the same price -- about 1600 USD.
Both are great. There is no wrong answer here.
10 months later…
Subsequent 37 - $1800 + tax
Pro 3 - $1999 + tax
Thanks. Everytime the moog plays my ears prick up, so i guess thats the fav.
I own both and prefer the Subsequent 37.
Both are nice synths. The 24db filter on the Pro 3 is weak, but the other two filters are solid.
Im sick in the head....I NEED THEM BOTH!
Also, this video and the kaleidoscope visual was straight DOPE!
Great vid , I have a Pro 3 but had a sub 37 a while back , I never liked the sound of it, something in the mid range, maybe just my room ? Anywho , I much prefer the sound of the more recent moogs , Matriarch & GMother. I feel you have to really drive the pro 3 Ladder filter , but haven’t really got on with it. The Prophet and V State are much better.
Sub37 seems to have a very dark, modern, always dusty/overdriven sound … It’s not vintage Moog, at all.
Pro3 seems to be able to do just about everything … it can be clean, or driven - plus that tuned feedback …
Omg thank you for this! About to spark a phatty and enjoy the comparison! Thank you Mr.Tuna!
I think just for ladder filter the moog but for everything else the Pro3..such a great modern synth
Can't wait to get rid of my Sub37 to get a Pro3. I just hate the interface of the sub37. There's just no subtlety to the controls. LFO as soon as its out of the notch is just too much. I just don't enjoy programming it and the keyboard (on my older one) is horrific. Is they keyboard on the pro3 same as the prophet 6/rev2?
In the menu of the Sub37 you could adjust the controller amount which drastically changed the intensity. I loved the sub37 but was always fighting to make it work in my music. Just ordered a Pro3 tonight. Given I have moog Grandmother and B Model D I think it’ll be available to fill a lot of spots
It’s high-quality Fatar, yes. ❤️
very interesting comparison!
The sound of the MOOG is sooo distinctive, but the interface is annoying (pointing ove/r down up etc) One of the weird things (unless I am missing it) is that the Pitch bend (numeric setting) on the PRO 3 only goes up half as much as the MOOG. Why? Anyway, you cannot really go wrong as they are both pretty crazy to have.
Nice video Mr TUNA!!! can u help me please... I just bought the Pro 3, second-hand, at a good price... I don't know if it's what I'm looking for, I haven't tried the Sub 37, I know they are different synths, however which of the two in your opinion can emulate better the sounds of the Mini Moog???
I like 70's prog rock mainly, and when playing live I need a synth that has presets so the Behringer clon is not an option... I don't know whether to sell the Pro 3 and buy a Sub 37 or not...
thank you!
Pro 3 is awesome - it can do everything. Just experiment and learn to make patches on it. 😎👍🏼
Mr Tuna Music, would you like to borrow my Moog Subsequent 37 and Syntrx for an indefinite amount of time? I live in Harrison Hot Springs but my wife has the car. ‘I’m not telling her at all’ that I have both synths
Emailing now... You have my permission to showcase it on YT.
hahaha of course-- but you should be playing those badboys!!
@@MRTUNA tell that to a partner whom will not understand
Mr Tuna Music What was your email again? I can't find it and would like to w/out digging through your other YT Videos
@@johnrichardson3297 trumanproudfoot@gmail.com
I feel like that could be my future... Hiding synths from my Wife... I've done that with gf's before! hahahaha
I prefer the raw tone of the Sub37 but the Pro 3 is more versatile and has a great sequencer + mod matrix.
like this
Had a sub 37, sold it. For Moog I aim at pure tone, such as the slim Phatty. Modulationwise, Moog is halfway to the pro3.
good call
Have them both.
Both great. If i have to choose one... moog all the way. S O U N D.
Thanks for a great comparision! What do you think about the low end of both instruments? Can pro 3 get the same frequencies in low notes as the Sub37?
Pro3 has low end compensation when resonance is on. So basically it's even better then on moog
Am i the only one thinking that the prologue below that 37 em will prolly kill em both on raw bass?
Hmmm... as much as I like the thought of having the audio input on the SEM filter with the pro 3, I think I would still have to just cough up the extra cash for a OB-6 module. But the pro 3 is a killer in where you can go with it sonically over the OB.
So i have found a massive limitation in the pro 3 filter that doesn't have kbd Tracking... what says you?
It has keyboard tracking. It’s in the filter menu.
@@AiryckSterrett yea, its more like tuned resonance.
Not at all like my moog 37cv or minibrute which actually scale the filter.
Kbd trk on those synths act like a second cutoff w or wo resonance.
On the P3 it only works on the resonance.
@@MandelscapeDA I’m pretty sure the mod matrix could be used to do the same.
Have both for a couple of years now. Was a purchaser of a Pro-One when it originally CAME OUT! Anyways both (Pro-3) and Moog, are completely insanely awesome. I think of this occasionally, and here is my take...Portamento is a large consideration if you use a synth for soloing...MOOG is much more customizable is this respect with 3 types, and a gated mode.
Looping envelopes is a fantastic option on the MOOG, and although the Pro-3 has them, they aren't tempo lockable....you can get some crazy tempo-synched stuff happening even make it SWING!
But the richness of the MOOG overpowers even the third osc. and Mod possibilities the Pro-3 offers.
MOOG wins! Hands down, or up...whatever!🤩😍😎
Both legendary synths, both sound great but nothing on Earth sounds like a Sub 37 except a Subsequent 37 🙂
Do you people have sex with your synths? Also nothing sounds like the pro3 or other synth. I wouldn't call both synth organic. Both are stiff and clear. But also nice.
Subsequent 37 sounds better than the Sub 37. That’s why they bothered to make a v2.
@@markus6409haaaaahahaha
37 Bass is better to me. Pro 3 has more features though.
I could never understand the hype. The Pro 3 sounds and looks like plastic, weird and thin.... comparable to vst's or arturia's brutes. Moog all the way! Thanks for Comparsion mr tuna
Wrong
Moog is richer, more compelling. Glad I just got one!
Moog is a clear winner in this challenge. The Moog is much richer, deeper, intense and has an extra quality that comes through. However the Pro 3 sounds good for what it is.
Afternoon Mr Tuna, I want to get an Analogue. Do I need an OB6 or Prophet 6 or will a Pro3 be sufficient?
pro 3 actually covers some light poly duties pretty well---- but i wouldnt have a pro3 if i didnt have a prophet6 first!
If you need simple paraphony pro 3 will do. if not, look into REV2, Take 5 or ofc OB-6 (my preference over P6).
Need a Prophet 10, a Rev2-16 and a Pro 3. There, sorted. 😊
The Pro 3 misses a lot ofthelow end compared to the moog. Still both are really nice and desirable synths :)
That's not completly true, the Moog loses it's low while turning up the resonance, the Pro 3 doesn't.
@@brianlespoir6287 That sounds plausible, my moogs do that too. But still the non-resonant sound has a lot more low end, and as long as you're conservative with the resonance, it will basically blow anything else out of the water when it comes to low end :)
@@payt01 You could call me a Moog fan boy, because I have many. There is a small difference, it is noticeable, but after mixing a song it isn't noticeable. So it doesn't really matter. The Moog is a Moog, it has that Moog thing what the Pro doesn't, because of the Moog VCO's. They are great synths.
lol - Yeah, nah …
Eyeroll at all the Moog knob-slobbers. The Pro-3 is just as sick, if not even more so.. and if you don't know it, you're intentionally ignoring this fact.
I had both at once. I honestly preferred the sound of Moog. It was deeper and more round. The Pro 3 was a bit too mid range for me. Wasn’t hitting the spot like Moog was. I sent the Pro 3 back. I’m happy with my Subsequent 37.
@@2ammusik I mean I'd be happy to own both tbh, but IMO every patch on the Sub37 sounds the same, whereas the Pro3 has a more versatile use case.
@@trueneutral3092 it’s up to the programmer. Not all my patches sound the same. And yes, the Pro 3 has more bells and whistles to be more versatile, I agree on that. My use for the Subsequent 37 is for bass duty mainly. If I didn’t have other synths and I was choosing between those two only, I would probably go with the Pro 3. But Moog is so bad ass at solid deep bass. I have a Virus TI2 Darkstar, Prophet 6, Waldorf M, Rev 2, and my Subsequent 37. So you can probably see why I chose Moog over Pro 3.
@@2ammusik ahh, yes. Refined tools. I like it 👌
Subsequent sounds better than this here OG Sub, for starters …
the sub 37 is one of the sexiest sounding synths. nothing prophet comes close.
urrr Prophet? Talking poly synth vs flagship mono?
What Prophet??? That was the Pro 3!
@@ZenMountain i am aware, tell that to the guy above comparing sub37 and the Prophet.
Lmfaoooo stahpppp
@@earlsfield He was - he didn’t tag you, so he was responding to the OP …
None. Matrixbrute all the way
I mean… the pro 3 is objectively better and more intuitive etc… but the Moog actually loves you the next morning and gives you hugs and breakfast while the pro 3 leaves money on the dresser expecting you to leave. I dunno. That prob doesn’t make sense but it’s intangible. The Moog is family, comfort, thick warm love. The Pro 3 is a sociopath that is realllllly good at convincing you it loves you, and sways you with glitz and glam. I’d guess when you walk up you’re more inclined to play the 37 just for the sheer feel of it. 🤌🏻 it’s my fav instrument regardless of how clumsy its menus are.
Moog Hands Down!