Moog Sub 37 Walkthrough - Oscillators, Filter and Envelopes Part 1 of 3
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- Опубліковано 31 гру 2015
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A tour through Moog's Sub 37.
I know there's a lot out there, but I've not seen a user's review/experience .
This is part 1 of 3
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8 years late to the channel, but just wanted to say how enjoyable and valuable I'm finding your videos. Good work Starsky mate!
One of the most comprehensive Sub 37 demos available on UA-cam. Thanks!
Cheers, it's a lot of cash for most folks so I hoped a hands on experience would come in useful. Glad you liked it.
I’ve just bought a used Subsequent 37 CV which I’m assuming is basically / mostly the same as the Sub 37. So this three part series is MUCH appreciated! Thank you!!!
You are my go to for synth reviews and comparisons. Nice to see a vintage Starsky video - you are so much more professional and relaxed these days 😂.
The best and most intuitive videos for the sub 37! Thank you for teaching me all there is to know about this complex instrument. My first synth so I'm really diving into the whole synth world as a keyboard player. Cheers!
This is such a solid tutorial on the Sub 37. This helped me out so much. Thanks for taking the time to do this deep dive :)
Maaaannnnn!!!! By Far, the best Sub37 video review/tutorial available! Finally.... I've been hoping for that in almost 2 years now... I also have been asking Moog to make available the BPM on the screen... I really wish they'll do it... Thanks so much for making it! Cheers!
Excellent, I just ordered one of these and while waiting for it to arrive next week Ive been watching as many videos as I can. This has helped a LOT!
Just bought one. I see now why everyone says it’s one of their favorites. It just creates inspiring sounds.
Fantastic demo, clear and perfectly paced. Takes me right through my beautiful new Sub 37, as well as being an informative demonstration of synthesis in practice. Thank you.
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The best Sub 37 tutorial on UA-cam! Thanks for this!!!
Watching this after 4 years! Thanks Starsky!!!!!
Thanks for this demo. I just recently bought the Sub37 as replacement for my Sub Phatty, and it is a wonderful synthesizer. It has a very woody and deep sound characteristics with a lot of possibilities to craft amazing sounds.
Brilliant video, thanks for taking the time and effort to make these, really helpful. Now I'm moving on to watch part 2.
Really enjoyed that - brilliant intro to the sub 37. Anyone thinking about getting a sub 37 is is going to have a really good idea of the sound palette on offer thanks to you. The noise generator in the mixer section is analog - but there is also a digital noise generator used as a source for the mod busses. One counter-intuitive thing is that panel mode isn't always WYSIWG. If you do an init in panel mode, the knobs will be out of sync - just need to press [preset] then [panel] again after doing a panel init to pull it all in line with the hardware.
+FunInWales Hah, I think I demoed the panel mode by accident at some point when trying to get an init patch! You're quite right the noise generator is analog, not sure what I said in the vid, I might have said it was digital, possibly getting confused with the Prophet 6 duh!! :)
Old vid but only now am I in the market for a decent mono. Excellent vid. Your experience around synths is really on display.
Also, it's good to hear a fellow North Westerner speaking especially as I live over the pond these days.
Really amazing video. Helps me to understand my future purchase even more!
Love your demos man. Thank you so much.
I've been waiting for a video like this!
Thanks for taking the time to make this! Very useful indeed.
Love it. I had chance today to play on a Moog Sub 37 for while and want one now! Best synth and deep sounds. The other fancy digital ones do not even compare.
Extraordinary!!! Compassionate! Addictive! Hopeful! ... Goes right to the learning curve to help students break through ... at their pace. I had to study this mentor's every knob position and light to emulate the his excellence but was blessed to be able to follow him 95%. It took me about 90 minutes (repeat watching and digesting).
Utmost blessings Starsky!
Glad to be of assistance. And thanks for the wonderful comments - high praise indeed :)
Cringeworthy comment.
I heard and demoed plenty of synths released after this. I think this is the modern day analog benchmark.
Great vid Starsky!
Thanks for this walkthrough, well done sensei!!
Thank you sooo much for making this. I've always wanted a moog so I bought one. I haven't touched it in months. I didn't really know how to use it.
after 10 years, this is still the most useful synth in my studio.
Wow… it’s 10 years old!!
@@StarskyCarr ok, you got me... I was invesitgating further and found out, that I got mine in end of 2014, so its 7 years only.
but compared to the other devices on my desk, the moog feels "eternal" like it was always there and will be.
and it reminds me to what an electronic "instrument" should be: easy playable.
and this is still the most useful tutorial after 10 years as well!
Thanks for this just getting my head round my sub 37 and this helped a lot .
Thanks for taking the time out to do this, nice one.
Glad to help.
The Sub37 is simple though!
This is great stuff.. makes sense in user language..especially seeing you do it in real time.. thanks...
This video is awesome! Thanks a lot for uploading. You helped me a lot
bravo sir! loved the series, very helpful :)
Great review! Thank you!
Excellent video! Thanks
This is excellent!
I need this in my life!
omg!!!this video is really helpful.thank you very much!
Great tutorial, thank you!
I gotta say thanks, man. You taught me a lot here.
Cheers, happy to have helped.
Thank you! Really helpful.
thanks, very useful demo :)
That really helped me a lot handling my sub 37. Thanks
Glad you found it useful
thanks for this! I finally know what the loop button is on the EG!
Thanks. Very useful.
Really Great! Thanks 😀
so clear! tnx man!!
thank you!!!
The filter alone is worth the price of the synth.
I sat there and fucked with it for an hour on presets just drooling. Ableton is where anything is done but this thing is magic to play.
very excellent ---- thanks much
nice, thanks
Thanks!
great in-depth video! does the FILTER EG CLOCK DIV only effect the SYNC function or also the loop function of the envelopes? and having SYNC and LOOP on at the same time will make it loop in sync I guess?
What a player ...
Thanks.
Thank you.
Even though the mute-button seems lame and pointless, I guess that it would come in veey handy in a lot of situations.
Then you can have it hooked up to speakers or P.A. and mute the main signal but still hear it in the headphones.
Then you can quickly test stuff, rehearse, program a sound, check that it is the right preset and much more, by yourself and not going public with it.
Very nice feature in some situations, I guess - and very flexible in situations where you are not in charge of the mixer or got it next to you.
Very nice video, thanx. 👍🙂
Yeah I use it all the time. I have it set up as my main controller - all those knobs are great for controlling software etc. so the mute button is in more than it’s off tbh.
Glad you liked the demo.
Thanks a lot
I have just bought mine and at the moment I get the feeling that I will never understand how to use it....
What an incredibly complex machine that is!
Thanks for the excellent videos, much appreciated.
I'm going to ask a potentially dumb question about the Sub 37 now! On my Yamaha MOXF, when I change to a different voice, all the settings and knob values get set back to what they should be for the voice. On the Moog, what happens when you load a preset if you've been messing around with all the knobs and changing their values for the previous preset loaded? Does it reset them all back to what they should be for the new preset?
Yes.
If I can find a video as precise as this one on the Matriarch, I'd be good to go. Lol I have the 37 as well, so still learned some stuff. 👌🏼
Hi! Great videos!!
I have one question: I just got my sub37, but it makes audible noise, whenever I lowpass filter an init patch for example. Below 320 it starts to reveal itself and this noise (white noise-ish) follows the envelope and starts on key press. (The noise generator is of course turned off). Does yours do the same or is it dead silent? Mine is dead silent when no note is pressed.:-s
Nice demo, very nice synth. 6db filter sounds amazing, plenty of modulations, definitely worth considering. No ring mod though. I own a Prodigy, and I'm sure it is not blown away by any mean by the Sub as long as you keep apples and oranges in separated bowls : no overdrive or feedback, comparable waves. The Prodigy filter IS screaming when pushed, creamy/silky etc when adjusted to be so, and the solidity of the basses are amazing compared to most modern synths and a good bunch of vintage ones too :) As for the hard sync, I'm pretty sure the blowing away would be the other way around, from the few samples I've heard of the Sub. No sync compares to the Prodigy's one.
Haha I hate hearing anything about Prodigys or is that Prodigies, Prodigii??? Since I lost one years ago -- don’t ask :(
Sorry for your loss. I've lost an instrument too, I can relate. I'm considering the Sub because the Prodigy is so limited anyway. Enjoy yours if you still play it, it is a great packed synth indeed. Cheers !
Don't know if you guys ever tried a 37 through a Kemper for it's FX. Gotta try it. It's the best FX on my MOOG I ever heard to date. It's TOP NOTCH.
我刚买 非常感谢
很棒的教程！
1) As an American, I love your use of the expression, "Brilliant"
2) Did you buy those color-coded patch cables online somewhere? Looks super useful for organization.
:) - brilliant!
Got the patch cables on eBay - very useful for seeing whats going where!! - even more useful in looms
21:35 great organ sound :)
are you running thru a compressor/pre-amp? i have my settings pretty much as your is and it doesn't sound as smooth :(
+rss313 Its recorded straight into Logic X using a UAD Apollo, with no preamp or compression. The final mix including the voiceover has Slate Digital FGX and Red compressor just holding things together to avoid clipping really.
Hi mate, I like your videos and was wondering if you could answer a couple of questions for me if you have time. I want to get a synth, Dave Smith preferably, but don't know really sweet FA about them. Basically, I'm living between two places at the moment - that makes it sound way, way more glamourous than the reality! - and want to get back into playing keyboards again and as a result need to buy one for the other place. I want a synth to mess about with, but one that can also be played as a regular keyboard. My issue is that I get lost when it comes to talk of voices in synth reviews. What I'm asking is, I suppose, which Dave Smith synths can be used with any modifications as a regular piano keyboard? I get that the Prophet 12 is that, but that's a little out of my price range, and I'm a little confused over what exactly the Prophet 6 and Pro 2 are! The Mopho SE for example: how many notes can that handle at once?
I'd be very grateful for any help!
+Michael Jenkins Hi, I'm not exactly sure what you're asking, i.e. do you want to play regular piano style sounds, or are you talking about polyphony (how many notes you can play at the same time)? If you want piano sounds, a DSI isn't for you, although you could use it as a controller for piano sounds from anything else (software, or sound modules). For more regular sounds (general midi etc, cellos, organs strings etc) there a loads of options, but I use software to cover these. If you're looking for polyphony you'll need a Prophet 6, 8 or 12. The Pro2 is monophonic (i.e. only one note at a time), or can play 2 notes in duo phonic mode - which is far from regular piano style playing. You'll also want a larger keyboard if you're playing with 2 hands! The Mopho SE is a monophonic Mopho with larger keyboard Mophox4 is 4 note polyphonic.
If cash is tight ';d go of the P8. It is 8 note polyphonic (compared to the prophet 6's 6 notes) and can cover most of the ground of the P6 plus more. It's all there in my P6 vs P8 video series, but to summarise: P6 is simpler and has FX, P8 has no FX, is more complex but is cheaper. P8 also has a split mode for e.g. bass on left pads on the right and an octave more on the keyboard.
Is there a way to adjust the sub37 keyboard bed for velocity??
I've noticed when I try to record on my PC, it always registers as the same decibel range no matter how hard/soft I push the keys. Thanks for the input!
Initialise the patch - hold the init button. The velocity isn’t active yet. Press the button to access the 2nd functions of the ADSR controls (it’s between the 2 sets of ADSR knobs next to ‘Delay’. The sustain knobs now control the velocity amount going to either the filter or amp.
If this doesn’t work check that the keybed is registering different velocities by looking at the MIDI input on your DAW - check the velocity of recorded notes.
The latch for the amplitude envelope, is it possible to use that as a foot pedal, somehow? Or do you use a foot pedal plugged into a CV port for that?
Unfortunately you can’t access latch via a foot pedal.
Is it possible to use half notes with the sequenser?
Nice vid! Do you know if it’s possible to split the keyboard to have two patches at the same keyboard at the same time (in the same preset)?
you can split the keyboard and put any of the synths over their own set of keys... and they can all sound on the same key, overlap or solo. I'm not 100% that's what you're asking though?
@@StarskyCarr thanks for the reply, but I don’t understand you very well. Maybe I haven’t explained it clearly. I would like to split the keyboard as the typical split on regular keyboards, to have more than one patch in the same preset, but in different key zones. For example, from the central C to the low one, it would be one sound, and from the middle to the high one another. Both saved in the same preset. Would it be possible? How could I do it?
@@julenkwag aaah sorry… I thought I was replying to a question about something else. !!! Oops ;).
No it’s not possible.
19:55 Holy shieeet
Wave reset: for the sound of the jack 🔨
Can anyone tell me again how to get that organ sound at 21:26?? Thanks I just recently got my hands on one of these
+Grant Hoglund you need to tune the filter at a high resonance. Put reso full, turn off all other oscillators and put keytrack on 1:1. Now tune the cutoff so that the filter is in tune with Osc 1. Turn Osc 1 on to do this. The filter will be an octave or 2 higher (you can also tune like a drawbar and choose an interval -3rd, 5th etc). With a 1:1 keytrack setting the filter will track the keyboard perfectly. Once tuned mix Osc 1 into the mix - dead simple really but sounds really effective.
One thing I've noticed on the Amplitude release is it only seems to affect one Oscillator even in Duo Mode, when the key is released one oscillator shuts off and the envelope occurs on the other one. Is there a way it can affect both?
That doesn't sound right... it should behave like that
You're just casually making your headphone viewers ears bleed. Thanks for that. 😠
I'm a beginner. I've saved for something like that because I LOVE it. Is it a good choice tho ? Beautiful video by the way :-)
cheers
+Carmelo Ponente it’s an excellent choice :) thanks for the comment
Hi, are the oscilators and filter on Sub37 analog or digital? I know the sound generator is analog.
Analog
@@StarskyCarr Thank you.
how do You gert just the hardware audio going into Pro Tools via USB?
you can't. The USB isn't audio, just MIDI.
They should make limiter on that resonance because every time you turn it way up my ears bleed. :D
No way!
I don't understand the difference between Multi trig and Reset from the Envelope section
Yeah screw the new macbook im gettimg one of these ☺
Won't regret it. And they've maintained their price after 6 year too.
I cannot for the life of me get delay to work :( please help
It should be simple - press the 'Knob Shift' button (next to 'DELAY') to access the extra functions. The Knob Shift LED should be lit if it's accessing the extra functions correctly.
21 people bought behringer.
haha.. who know what they object to or what they were expecting. ..? The title accurately describes the video. Nutters :)
@@StarskyCarr and it helped me a lot with the subsequent 37 I bought after watching it. Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge with us. 🙏😎🎸
Worth getting into debt for? haha
Worth to spend a large part of my holiday money on for me :P
i wanted to get a sub37 but its such a gross looking synthesizer imo. got a grandmother instead
I ended up with both!! Comparison coming soon.
@Neuronium spectacular absolutely. every sub37 owner seems to get really defensive when someone says they don't like something about it though. haha ...
I didn't know that create the music , requiried a lot of talking
Explanations do… manuals are full of words for a reason 😂
almost always UNDERWHELMED by MOOG. my MiniKorg does most of these things. from 1992.
Nice demo but the fine tuning. Yikes. It is so awful to listen to. Sorry man.
Thanks!
Thanks!