AGREE LOVE DOUGLAS BRILLANT MAN FULL OF KNOWLEDGE PEOPLE NEED TO WAKEUP AND LEARN WHAT THE PLAN OF THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD HAS PLANNED. LOOK UP ACT FOR AMERICA GREAT SIDE ABOUT HOW MUSLIMS ARE RUNNING OUR SCHOOLS CIRCULUM EXACTLY WHAT THEY HAVE PLANNED FOR AMERICA GOOD WEBSITE...
The danish stateminister told the muslim brotherhood when asked to censur the muhammed drawings after the publishing of them "No, i will not censur it, that's not how we do it in Denmark" - that's how to handle religious nutters.
I've always found Douglas to be 1 of the more thoughtful, highly intelligent, very carefully considered speakers, and he certainly did not disappoint here. He's also consistent! Great interview
Murray said in an interview yesterday with Politics Joe something along the lines of - of the 2 great lessons of the 20th Century, many in Western Society only learned 1. When a country goes too far right it’s terrible(Adolf Hitler). But what wasn’t learned by many is that it’s also the case when we go too far left (Comrade Joe).
leftist are excellent at coining useless terms to validate their nonsense. Hate speech and progressive are new terms used to excuse radical behavior. Once someone is labeled by some dumb SJW label that gives them a pass to judge and threaten anyone with violence and its ok because some blogger said they were a NAZI.
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Right, I’ve almost got the feeling this is all in preparation for the setup of a global government which would supposedly “save” us from ourselves by taking the freedom of speech away from us,...oh yes, there are invisible powers behind the wheel
@@redghost6386 i agree.. I've actually heard them use the words conquer the white house.. it's worst then people think yet the news tells us the opposite... everytime a synagogue is attacked , the first thing the news says is "possible white supremacists" even when they scream allahu akbar.. look we know its muslim.. why pretend to not know?? because afraid of being called a racist? Islam is not a race
Matt Pressley 100%. Like Douglas said in a different video people will over use the terms ‘nazi’ and ‘fascist’ and ‘racist’. So when one of them really does come along and they label them a ‘fascist’ no one will take it seriously as the terms would have been so over used and out of context
@@HB-gv9sz Yeah, a lot of the radical identitarian BS started in college between 2013 and 2017, and only certain IDW individuals caught it earlier, and it's now seeped into companies and culture because those kids have graduated college. People like Brett Weinstein predicted this with the whole Evergreen fiasco, and it really wasn't that hard to predict. In my opinion, it was the (seemingly) huge sweep across our culture that this ideology has taken over.
Michael L. LaPorte HMC FMF yes but Michael, iv noticed that he will change his opinions & the flavour of his conversations which gets extremely contradictory at times
@holyworrier - not necessarily. The US constitution and the Republic it created is pretty amazing. The problem is how it has been corrupted by the rich and powerful. The people have allowed it... if the US dies, there will never be another, and with technology, the ruling class will never be challenged again.
This may get lost in a sea of comments but the UK Foreign Secretary referenced at 26:50 is now the UK Prime Minister, Boris Johnson (: Just hoping people would find that as hilarious as I do (:
GTFOH? Dude thats awesome !!! Man i love boris im American and not too much into British politics i like reading up on Brexit which i why i know who boris is even so id still know him because hes president or the english equivalent :)
Douglas is brilliant, we really need logical thinkers like him in our political system. It won't happen though; he has principles and thinks for himself.
Not to brilliant... but still logical... needed in politics to check others ego although he is no better than far left on virtue signaling... and he will play identity politics when get the chance...
Not leftist governments. Dictatorships that falsely labeled themselves as left (or populist for Stalin) for support without following any of the principles of the left.
Has there ever been a left leader including the ones you listed that wasn't a dictator and actually did the things that the left stands for. Equality of opportunity, a social safety net, liberty of speech, freedom of religion and expression and so on, even in these basic principles they have all failed dangerously. If Jesus was to come today the right would call him lefty and socialist, Jesus wasn't a free market's guy
Think of Denmark. I often hear support for the “Denmark” model when I say show me a socialist society that has worked. Here’s the thing, Denmark has the label of socialism but is total free market in practice. Do your own research to fact check these facts. First of all, now this is very important, Denmark is roughly the SIZE OF MARYLAND. A system that works in such a small nation is not going to work in a powerhouse of a country with a large AND extremely diverse population. There a a FEW quasi-socialist systems Denmark. FIFTY percent, HALF of every citizens money goes to income and sales tax YET the average citizen of Denmark has substantially less (I believe 28%) disposable income than the average American. Denmark is rated one of the easiest places in the world. Third I Believe. Second only to Singapore and one other-sounds pretty capitalist huh? They also receive “free healthcare”. But it’s not free. That’s part of what that 50% of their income goes to covering and even with that a large and growing percentage of the populace has decided to spend even more money to get private healthcare because the government one is near worthless in many instances. They have free public school but a substantial and growing amount of parents choose to pay to send their kids to private school. College is also ”free” (hard to call it that when half of your money pays contributes to paying for it. It even includes a living allowance but they have a BIG problem with a lot of students just staying in school becoming life long students for the free ride therefor never contributing to society at large. Also, a lot of kids that would never pay to go to college because they don’t have enough interest in it for one reason or another choose to go just for a few years of free living. Their consumer economy operates within a total capitalist free market system and for that reason alone they can’t be considered a socialist nation. There are examples like this for days but this is just a UA-cam comment. Do your own reading for 5 minutes and you will see many more examples of the few socialist policies they still have failing and the capitalist/free market policies they have succeeding. Now can you give me an example of a true modern socialist society success story?
as a lifelong democrat who has felt something was seriously wrong ever since the Obama years, I am thankful to people like Joe Rogan and Douglas Murray who can articulate the problems with the ideological left. I find it hard to believe that any reasonable and honest person can listen to the arguments put forth here and still remain on the ideological left
The problem is the belief that there is a left and right as well as a neutral place. We all need to accept and face the problems all of us face on this world together with political and religious views set aside to do it. In so not working this way together it will always been one against another until one group finally wipes out the other groups, and then they will turn on each other and the cycle will keep going and going and going, until a paradigm shift as a whole or a world wide event happens that forces us to act like nice and friendly neighbors to survive and say who cares if you think different, look different, speak different, we are all human and will not make it unless we focus on only that as our commonality to fix the problem and keep it all separate. This goes for the governmental systems of every single nation and every single religion worldwide. Not doing so, well the two things are the only solution, regardless of opinion , such is not hard to see what I say is the one truth of the problem as a whole. But in so having this mindset I am a outcast because I do not have a side. Unless that side means, setting aside all to work on all of our problems with no outside influences of beliefs to faluter progress. This sounds neutral but it is not, neutral is ignoring all sides. I accept all sides and see them all to be the problem. Culture is not our friend, Religion not the way, political parties not the cure, logic is the winner, being a fellow human the only truth and belief system to move foward.
haha i did not vote for either one of them. the democrats could have easily won the '16 election if they ran with Bernie Sanders. But of course, the democrats have sold out to wall street and the corporations long ago, and there was no way the corporations would allow a socialist to have a chance at winning, so they rigged the primaries for Hillary. absolutely disgusting, so the democrats and "crooked" hillary lost my vote right there didn't vote for Trump because I am a registered voter in Texas, and Texas was gonna go for Trump anyway. not being in a swing state means that my vote truly did not matter in the '16 election when it came to the presidential race. however, once i saw that the democrats cheated to put hillary up for the race, i knew trump was gonna win anyway. anyone who thought that after 8 years of obama's liberal elitism and hypocrisy, that the democrats had a chance to win under hillary is delusional
You're part of the old party. Young libs are leftists, not liberals. Liberals don't stand for the "leftist" ideology. They are patriots. I'm a conservative with quite a lot of liberal family members and I can say they agree with you. Unfortunately, wolves in sheep's clothing have infiltrated the Democratic party.
53:00 Children mocking some guy for being bald. This immediately reminded me of my granddaughter. When she was three she innocently asked me "Grandpa, why is your head naked?" I almost pissed myself laughing. I told her God is Perfect in many ways but he isn't very good at making nicely shaped heads. Those he doesn't get right he covers with hair.
A builder I know was once on a job at an old farm house. On his lunch break, he had a little kip in his truck. The young daughter of the place's owners said to him, "You're just like a baby, aren't you?" He replied, "How do you mean?" She said, "Well, I used to have a nap after lunch when I was a baby." As she was walking away, she turned to him and added, "...and you've got no hair."
My guess would be the story was to teach kids to respect their elders. Perhaps in ancient times kids who didn’t abide by that rule were in fact in danger of losing their life. I could be completely wrong tho 🤷♂️ I am one of those people who have not read the Bible.
So the far left.... antifa, people who want to stop free thought, and crush any opposition to their crazy beliefs, also they are racists as well, are better than the far right? No they are one in the same, and the far left is arguably more dangerous because they have reach and they can sway public actions. Ive never been in a situation where ive been afraid to say its bad to be racist against minorities, or where ive been afraid to defend the rights of people on the left or any person of color. But i have had to think to myself before i open my mouth and speak out against conservative censorship or against racism against white people bc i be attack for that. Ive lost friends over that sort of thought but ive never lost friends for goimg against the far right. So the far left is more dangerous by far.
The far-left is also protected by the status quo, which makes them far more dangerous. Their hatred and violence is deemed socially acceptable by major institutions such as the mass media and academia.
@@williamdraken6018 Well that's exactly where they get their legitimacy from, there's countless and countless of social theories and schools of thought that have been pushed out for decades, that make the left seem as the default position to have in societal issues. It's the intellectual basis for their revolutionary actions. Every revolution has to have some basic corner stones to be an effective and long lasting one. 1) intellectual justification 2) backing from sympathetic mass media(s) 3) activists outside of the political system that make the dirty work of suppressing opposition, either violently, non-violently or both I left out the obvious ones, which of course are political parties, military and law enforcement. It's like at some point there was an invisible and unspoken agreement between the left and the right where they agreed that the right can handle the economics, while the left got to have the educational and media entities. Of course it was not a real, actual agreement, but if it would've been, then kudos to the left for playing the long game, since now they're reaping the benefits of that deal.
I'm left leaning and I somewhat agree. The left is more vocal and hateful in what they say. I believe it is because these people are in pain and don't know any other way to express it. Conservatives or right leaning people seem to hold their pain inside themselves more. They look at how you are infringing on them and less about their personal problems. There is one thing that conservatives don't seem to see about their side. People who are a little less stable seem to be more likely to kill than people on the left. It may be that conservatives, in general, have better access to firearms. It is not really access, I guess, but just more a part of their lives. To me, it isn't a bad thing for conservatives to enjoy guns(I've owned them myself in the past). It's a problem when someone has one that shouldn't. I think even most conservatives think there should be better background checks. Yet they get blamed, because their Representatives are bought and paid for just like on the left.
He is a true intellectual and very independent thinker. He's hard to predict, which is a sure sign of an honest person. It's a shame this wasn't four hours, Sam Harris-style.
K M Agreed, Ive listened to him before with molyneux and older interviews he really is well spoken. Rogan did a good job but there were times he should have laughed or responded but Murrays comment just floated on by. Anyway, if you crossed maybe Charlie Rose with Jay Leno you would get something close to the Joe Rogan Podcast. Great guests but not hyper serious.
I agree and I so wish the new season was happening now. I can only imagine what they would do with everything going on. I'm just hoping that they or the network don't cave to the sjw's.
Well.... in a bear suit.... in a car. I’m not sure I would call that ‘holding the line’. I don’t blame SP by the way, more likely some Comedy Central exec got scared. For a good reason, obviously. But still, I’m not as impressed as it seem others in this thread are. Did they make a statement, sure. But that is about all I’d call it.
He is the most important intellectual voice against the Islamization of Western Europe because the Leftist media has NEVER been able to paint him as a hater or "racist". Keep up the fight Mr. Murray.
Islamification, Christianisation, Paganisation.... In the broad stretch of history these are fads that come and go. Why are we not fighting for the restitution of ancient pagan religions while we are at it. How about witch trials, and the Raping and pillaging we have seemed to move away from?
I watched the interview between Mark Ruben and Tommy Robinson (I think that's right)... check it out. He's not an "intellectual, but he is at the front of this as well. Good luck!
i would wish you shut the fuck up and think and don't believe anything you hear goggle how many we killed and how many they killed of us then you know who is evil you stupid donkey.
@@michealbond1240 i mainly am taking the side of freedom speeche here. As for violence there is no good guys. just cycle that needs to end. Btw my country has never attacked anywhere since middle ages. And even then we were under a another country.
@@TheMetalHeadbangger Congratulations for replying calmly to an antagonistic, rude and idiotic comment! I agree, I wish more people were like Douglas Murray, too.
@@joeboonmusic4004 Thank you. I think the only way to move fowards from all this hate is to have factual conversations and just stop the blame game. Otherwise the cycle Will never end.
@@TheMetalHeadbangger Couldn't agree more. That's what we can learn from people like Douglas Murray... He's not being antagonistic like Milo Yiannopoulos or Shapiro, he simply wants us to be able to have a conversation about topics that have, for whatever reason, become taboo.
why do people love him so much? is it because he is actually smart, or is it because his belief system aligns with yours? Because I answered his unanswerable question in about 3 seconds.... one which he claimed "nobody ever answered" He's obviously objectively biased and refused anything that would disagree with his views. If I figured it out in seconds, surely many others did as well. Admit it, you only like him cause hes atheist. I used to be atheist too. Whats sad is, I was never a believer, most atheist only become atheist in college or high school or something, I was thinking about philosophical ideas like eternity and God at 6, so you think just like a 6 year old. Just saying, that's truth.
LEGIT k I didn't respect the man and his enjoy his work because he was an atheist - though that is part of it. My appreciation of him is far more wide ranging than that. His essays on literature and politics were enthralling quite apart from the whole "New Athiest" thing. That label and scene was only one part of Hitchens life and work, though it became his main preoccupation toward the end.
aandyist budd I think the most important point of his by far is the left dealing with Islam and immigration. You really don't want to empower far right mass movements.
aandyist budd - I disagree. He's just an intellectual apologist for the far right. It's the same script - fundamentalist Islam incubated in Saudi Arabia being conflated with everyone practicing that faith. Absolutely no mention of western foreign policy.
from the UK and love Douglas. He is the Tyson of debates. Or, Christopher Hitchens. With his amazing debates, his no nonsense attitude, his intelligence.. he's the next Chris Hitchens, this guy.
@@thelast9021 the far left doesn’t get to define what it means to be liberal. Even if the far left hates a classically liberal person, they can’t change what the words mean. & openness is considered a trait of a liberal, whether the far left possesses that trait or not
@@crujones2849 Yes they do, because most liberals do not speak up. They are afraid of the far left, to be labeled and such. If the 8-10% are screaming and the 90% are silent, guess who leads.
Ots all started by muslim brotherhood. 100 yr take over. First education system. Notice they are the only people that are protected in univ thry hold them up.
@@birdsong985 The only Muslim Brotherhood I am aware of in the UK is the one that was democratically elected to power in Egypt and then brought down by a western coup and the leaders executed......EXECUTED!!!! Is Mubarak still alive??
@@utv5490 it is written document by mbh. 100 yr take over of America and as you see the same steps is being implemented in UK etc. Look up Brigette Gabriel and what she went through in Lebanon when they took them in then yrs later took over. They turned on them.
exactly if a devoted Muslim quoted a Quran verse that encourages Muslims to kill apostates this is OK according to FB but if I said that I hate Muslims for this sh* I get banned wtf really
Mohamed Nofal - quoting a verse by the Quran or the Bible is not the same as an individual expressing hate towards a group of people, quit being stupid, Mohamed. These books were written centuries ago, personal comments coming from your mind are a different thing, thermistor no comparison.
@@erwinkunze4091 no quoting the Quran is much worse than quoting the bible or my opinion because they really follow these verses and consider it holly religion created an atmosphere of hate and discrimination how am I supposed to reply when someone read a text that says that I should get killed for leaving Islam and then incorporate this text into the law like what happens Muslim majority countries...... Islam interferes heavily in politics its by nature a socio-political doctrine until Muslim learn how to separate the state and the church Islam should be criticized without any restrictions if not the consequences are going to be really bad I promise you
Articulate once he actually gets his thoughts in order😂 Love the guy, but half the time he talked, I was worried he'd go into a fit. Although I'm damn sure I'd be stammering if I was in front of Rogan and 5+ million eyes/ears
Fun fact: Hitchens once called a biography Douglas Murray wrote "Masterly". The biography was about a romantic partner of Oscar Wilde and Murray wrote it while he was 19, in his second year at Oxford University.
Most of the clips I watch with Murray involve him in an extremely confrontational environment. It's good to see him in this relaxed atmosphere. He seems like a really cool dude.
Oh STFU with your regurgitating nonsense . Just because he speaks queens english calmly - does not mean he is not a typical english , racist twat hiding behind plausible deniability , whilst posing as an academic . Your anti-Islam crusades are ridiculous - way to get played by divide and conquer 2018 .
Are you mentally stable? What are you even on about? What does that have to do with Douglas here? Or what paulus said? What is it exactly you disagree with? Nothing it seems. Just peddling unrelated nonsense to pass the time? Do you deny that Europe's current immigration policies are unmanageable and destructive? Do you deny that the Quran is full rubbish?
Hate? What hate? Dude, what the fuck is wrong with you? Sounds to me like you're projecting. When's the last time you had cocaine? 5 minutes ago? I didn't hate on anything, I'm asking you questions and you respond to something I didn't say. Something is off. Either you're reading comprehension or you mental stability. I'm guessing both. Either answer my straight forward questions, or seek help.
1.''Do you deny that Europe's current immigration policies are unmanageable and destructive? '' 2. ''Do you deny that the Quran is full rubbish?'' 1. No - this earth is not the exclusive property of white europeans . Exodus , movement of the people . 2. Some truth , some horseshit , mixed together to create a religious order .
I love how they argue that you need knowledge of history and then argue that far left is better than far right. I guess they missed the history of russian and chinese communism.
I feel that the left and right and what they stand for have shifted many times in human history. Enviromentalism used to be more of a right wing issue now it’s more left, republicans where more like todays democrats and so on. :)
@@vikb4151 The world is constantly chaning - what a shocker (not). Imo this ignorance is a result of messing with educational system. Bezmenov was right. And Epstein didnt kill himslef.
@Michael Jones Stalin enslaved most of the Russian nation, not to mention Ukraine; he started to exterminate the Jews there, not to mention the smaller races in the south of Russia, like the Cossacks, etc. He murdered more than a million of his own people and put 4 million in prisons where many of them died from starvation. I can hate Nazis and Commies at the same time like I can hate cancer and AIDS.
I think that’s a fight they can’t win. Joe is way too influential and damn near untouchable. The views he gets is an extremely thick armor that I do t think they can penetrate. Just my opinion of course, take care.
It's not a leftist dogma. It might be on the internet, but this is not reality. Where I find PC outrage culture most prevalent is in the so called liberal center and silicon valley/hollywood pseudo-leftists. People who are more pro status quo than anybody and have so little to offer to ordinary people that they revert to fake outrage over topics of hardly any significance. Regarding questions of socio-economics, they are firmly on the right or have no opinions at all.
@Steve Arnold - Joe is controlled opposition, and as long as he pushes the approved agenda, he will be fine. If he says something outside the boundary of approved ideology, they would disappear Joe tomorrow. And he knows it. Joe is a shill. A very rich shill.
Great podcast I know some people think that these kinds of podcasts are boring but I like them even more then the more comedy focused podcasts but that might just be me.
the reason this podcast is so successful is because of the variety.Joe can have a back and forth with the best of them, very few people who follow this podcast would label any of these shows "boring".
Absolutely. What’s to learn or think about when it’s just comedians shooting the shit. Those are nice to just decompress to while paying half attention. If it wasn’t for the more intellectual guests he gets, I wouldn’t watch very often at all. Couldn’t even watch the Don Iguella (how ever it’s spelled with out checking), so boring. Either way who are any of us to give him shit for the FREE entertainment/informative podcasts. We could be stuck watching cable news! Yarrrrgggghhhh
The 'left' 'right' thing has become a meaningless description. You have nutty extremists at both ends who have more in common than they have with the centre.
@George Reynolds He does have an open mind, an inquisitive and likeable nature, the world's most successful chat show and a lovely shiny head. So go easy pal.
When you notice that your point of view is being censored, it's already too late . Remember history or it will repeat the same atrocious actions. When we as a society begins to censor any speech we will quash all speech. I may not agree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it.
People find it very difficult to distinguish between hate speech and speech by people they hate, and that's why hate speech rules and laws are dangerous.
The idea that a person may be guilty of 'Hate Speech' is Orwellian. People should be judged on their deeds only and bad ideas should be openly challenged. Their expression should not be stifled.
In order not to be labelled as bigots and be politically correct, the British Police and Child Protection Services ignored and tried to bury atrocities in Rochdale and Roterham. THIS IS WHAT POLITICAL CORRECTNESS WILL LEAD THE WORLD TOO.
People have stop worrying about being a bigot islamaphob if me being a proud and caring American patriot then so be it we have to wakeup and stand up for our country look up Act for America.
@@cdecde2858When You say 'Murica , you mean First Nation Land pillaged and genocided by... White European men ? Fuck your nationalism , you traded patriotism for humanity .
definitely. Scared the shit out of me if truth be told, but like Jordan Peterson, really joins the dots like no other intellectual has been able to up until now on the subject of the culture wars that are currently raging across the western world.
New book out now, Madness of Crowds, is another essential read. It is fantastic, hilarious, cutting, thought provoking. One of the best authors of our time.
All demographics have to be covered, the knuckle draggers to those people that reflect and think in depth from several different perspectives, who change society for the better,
@@smartchip I didn't say that politics was a science. But, misnomer or not, the study of politics is referred to as political science. The difference between a text book and a UA-cam podcast is the textbook will teach opinion as opinion while the podcast will teach it as fact. And stop acting like sitting on your arse watching dopey UA-cam videos is some kind of profound crusade against the forces of oppression. It's the modern day equivalent of getting stoned and watching the Discovery Channel.
I'd argue that even the moderate left is extremely dangerous today. They may not be violent but they are complicit and they're not a small number at the vanishing thin edge of the left side of the distribution bell curve. So their complacency and acceptance of wokeness is enough to suck all of us into the authoritarianism vortex of anti reason.
The extreme left is far more dangerous. Look at China. The extreme right has been repressed by society and is pretty much under control as far as their power.
I came to the Voluntaryist position years ago. On the Right you have individual liberty, on the left you have collectivism. For me, all tyranny is leftist.
In 1920s Germany you would have been able to say “the extreme right is pretty much under control as far as their power.” Not to mention, it’s those on the extreme right committing mass murder every so often. Meanwhile the “far more dangerous” Antifa is throwing milkshakes and rocks.
strong argument backed with inscrutable evidence, my armchair is warmed and the ass groove has been adequately formed. Where do me and my tin foil hat sign up to your eye opening newsletter or should i just copy paste your misplaced anger at your parents disappointment straight to my facebook page to show all my friends your eye opening and profound knowledge of things above our own capacity?
I've listened to hour after hour after hour of Jordan Peterson's lectures, interviews, and vlogs and if you think he is actively engaging in HATE speech then you are actively engaging in hating SPEECH.
I, too have partaken in his lobsteryness and concur your statement. What that means for future discourse is up for grabs but a degeneration process has begun and that seems absolute.
Unseen, thanks for the reply!...I agree that regarding discourse a degeneration certainly has happened...But with Professor Peterson leading the charge, and those like him, I am hopeful:)
I agree with you. It is amazing how quickly people will say Douglas Murray or Jordan Peterson are racists, bigots, etc. but when asked for an example they cannot point to anything. If they dislike a fact someone say than the person who stated the fact is a bigot. It is really scary how quickly people are willing to label each other.
@@domfrancis3140 Like who? Name someone like Douglas Murray who is being targeted? Why would someone target a posh inneffectual fop who just appears on Sunday morning discussion programmes so he can Muslim bash?? Bullshitters!!!
The Duke Of Leopard second shit posting I have seen from you, and as a former soldier, D Murray is brave, for saying things that need to be discussed in this country that could have him arrested, I thought you lefties thought being gay and out was brave, or are you now a homophobe ??? That is the difference between “Normies” and leftists, you lefties do not hold yourself to the same standards you scream about ! That’s why we have the situations like Brexit, Trump and the far right parties in France and Germany rising is because of non critical thinking people like you, who have displayed no honour, no self sacrifice, no tolerance outside of your own safe space. Your idea of bravery seems to be bending the knee and repeat what you are told too, every Normie and centrist, traditional liberal and obviously the right see it as pure cowardice, I no longer care the best years of my life are behind me, and I enjoyed them, if you are a young man, the future you seem to want for yourself is one that someone else will prescribe to you... well good luck with that !!! Oh as your are a Duke, I should end with.... my Lord ;)
I never knew Douglas Murray could be so funny. These three hour conversations bring out qualities in his guests you can't see when they have two or three minutes at best on mainstream TV
"Hate Speech" legislation is code for 'Blasphemy Law', which really means "don't criticize islam" law. The Bill of Rights 1689 2nd Section Article 9 "That the Freedom of Speech and Debates or Proceedings in Parliament ought not to be impeached or questioned in any Court or Place out of Parliament."
I think it's actually code for the supremacy of progressivism, not sharia creep. If that comes it would be later when the natives are ever so demoralized.
"Street sharia", like the term, as I think we can see in Brittain. And it's so brazen that it's boggling... except it isn't boggling. It's brazen bc it can be, bc they recognize a space within which to move, and doing what they do, they move. We can actually perceive, if one is shrewd about it, that many of their numbers are actually playing us off against each other as though no one was even watching. So take, say, asking questions outside a mosque and having the Imam call the police about "harassment". But it begs the question, can they play us off against each other while we simply do not have our own moral order established, or rather, adhered to? (respected by our own) This division or decline in "moral order", if you will, I think is the heart of the problem and why people, like myself, are very uneasy about having so many of them. There is not the strong current that used to be which would carry them along with us while not having to worry about the subversive potential of new people(s).
I didn't make a prognosis, but, you can perceive my... ahem, consternation. We have a wider problem of course than Islam. The Vancouver Sun is calling the locals "denizens" if you catch my drift? vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-does-chinas-money-threaten-canadas-sovereignty Meanwhile, what does the "People's Republic" have but nukes and a billion strong slave labor force? Nothing. Meanwhile, the U.S. economy is 12% export based. I mean the world could implode and they'd be relatively immune. And yet, the whole west is Kowtowing to them.
He is in my top ten for glassing with a beer glass. Sad his dad is a Gealic speaking Scot, I wished he had been raised in Scotland spoke Gealic and had a good healthy dose of Scots collectivism.
One of history's Most Powerful quotes, to me, is; "Though I disagree with what you say, I will defend, until death, your Right to say it." Is anything more....Noble?
Everywhere there are lies and half-truths and "discussions" about who's right and who's wrong. "I will defend your right to say words that I strongly disagree with" until WE come to an understanding of what is true. People have the right to make up their own minds, if they are capable of independent, critical thinking. Death to propaganda, death to lies. Truth is not negotiable!
baby turtle You missed the point. Speech = words. The actions you’re referring to are different. You have the right to say something dumb as shit but you do not have the right to put those thoughts into actions.
Wether Joe knows it or not he took over for Johny fever (phone police) oh big joke. Then talk radio and Joe's tinfoil hat stereo type.im sure doesn't know he's a parroting shill.
Joe buys himself time making statements how the far left is better than the far right. Won't save him, mostly because that claim won't be true. I'll take a racist over someone who wants to shred personal liberty.
@Edith K The truth is, Hitler didn't give a shit about economics. He used the idea of socialism to get the public behind him, yet he was all for private property to generate wealth. He used whatever he could for power. People tend to focus on Hitler being placed on the left or right. People should be focusing on the fact he was pro-authoritarian. He would never have been in such a position to do what he did if the power wasn't so centralised.
I believe that's completely irrelevant to the discussion and an example of the ridiculous schoolyard score-keeping that Douglas is criticising on both sides of the aisle.
@cmm A fence sitter won't be able to find the 'fence' if he too does not keep score. Also, it never ceases to amaze me how easy it is for leftists to assign Nazism to right wing ideology. It is in fact Socialism. Everything about it is Socialism. The official name is the National Socialist German Workers Party. Hitler was not a Nationalist. He was a Globalist, and he wanted to spread his brand of socialism around the world.
@@deletedforprivacy1948 Incorrect: "Fascism is when you can't put a cigarette paper between the interests of the government and corporate business interests" -Mussolini. Now you tell me who is pro-business. This revisionist view of history is baseless and has no substance. Authoritarianism can be right wing or left wing, fascism is a specific brand of authoritarianism that is specifically based on race. It is state capitalist. You might want to actually read some left-wing literature before you make some absurd claims like this. Fascism is not just authoritarianism. Your definition of of fascism as being left-wing is only based in the fact that fascism is authoritarian. Using that logic, fascism would be considered something that can be either left or right which is basically means that definition of fascism is the exact same as the definition of authoritarianism. Also, a name of a party doesn't mean anything. You claim Hitler was a globalist because he wanted to expand his authority which was nothing unique at the time. You clearly have forgotten that colonialism was occurring not only during Hitler's reign but also well after his time in power. The West didn't care what Hitler was doing because they did the exact same thing (slavery, Jim crow, apartheid, etc.....). The allies (mainly just US and UK) only got involved once Hitler's interests conflicted with the interests their own, hence the policy of appeasement. You have a basic lack of context which isn't allowing you to understand this. Also, your idea of what globalism is is wrong. (I'll use the US as an example here). In order to understand 'globalism', you have to understand capitalism (neoliberalism). You would claim to be a capitalist and, based on what you have commented, seem to be an isolationist. The problem with that is that they are incompatible. Capitalism is dependence the the accumulation of natural resources as natural resources are the foundation for all wealth in a capitalist society. For mass production to occur, it is necessary to have an abundance of resources. The problem is, where are these resources? These resources are in 'third-world' countries. This is why capitalism (both what built it and what sustains it today) is inherently incompatible with isolationism. The US (and all western countries since the US are filled the power vacuum that opened up post-WWII since Europe was in ruins) depends on these resources that ultimately come from third-world countries. These multinational business that are the pillars of capitalism go into these countries and repatriate all the wealth that they generate from the resources they gathered. Now, you would argue that is good for those countries because it creates jobs there. That is true. However, these jobs are only temporary and ultimately is bad for the economy (think of places like Detroit where all the factories closed down. However, this is exaggerated in third world countries as this makes up for the majority of the economies there). This is why the US has consistently installed pro-western business leaders (who ruthlessly murder innocent people: for example, in El Salvador where the US backed paramilitaries were throwing live babies in fires) in third world countries throughout the 20th century and continuing into today. Capitalism is dependent on this exploitation of the third world and there is absolutely no way to dispute this, it is fact. To provide an example of this, we give Africa billions of dollars in aide. Despite this, Africa actually loses roughly 40 billions more than it receives in aide because of this repatriation of wealth by multinational companies. This is the paradox of nationalism in a capitalist context. You are conflating nationalism with isolationism which, in a capitalist society, is an oxymoron. Capitalism is dependent on a global market. It always has been, and always will be. To get back to you calling Hitler a Socialist, that doesn't make any sense. I mean just look at Henry Ford for example. Ford loved the fascism and there is absolutely no way he could be called a socialist as he is clearly a capitalist, hence the ford company. There is a lot of stuff wrong with what you said and it stems from a basic lack of understanding of both capitalism, socialism, and really anything related to politics/history. Our modern world (capitalism) was built on 'globalism' (colonialism, slavery, taking wealth in the form of natural resources from other countries, etc....). I am aware that you are going to reject everything I have claimed and call it lies. These are facts, plain and simple. I encourage you to hit me with anything to try and prove me wrong and say that Nazism is socialism or left-wing because I will disprove all of your claims as they are based in fantasy. Also, Liberalism/Neoliberalism is not a left-wing ideology. Socialism (which is a catch all term, including things like communism and anarchism [libertarian socialism]) is anti-liberalism as liberalism a variant of capitalism. Lastly, it is important to realize that socialism is not marxism. Marxism is a sub-category under the big tent of socialism. Therefore, not all socialists are marxists. The reason why I include this breakdown is because this is crucial to understand. You clearly have a 2 dimensional view of politics. There is a difference between economics and authoritarianism. Left-wingers and Capitalists can be (and have been) authoritarian in theory Left-wingers and Capitalists can also be libertarian in theory. There is a whole world of left-wing ideology that branched off and vehemently opposes the form of authoritarian socialism (which, generally speaking, is Marxist-Leninism) that you are familiar with. You cannot break history up into stages that are independent of one another. History is an ongoing thing that builds on from what happened before. You arrive at erroneous conclusions (like those you stated) when you break history up into separate entities. In order to understand where we are today, where we were yesterday, where we were 100 years ago, or even where we were 1000 years ago, you have to look at what came before. Edit: Forgot to say that I, just like you, think that these PC liberals are batshit crazy. They are liberals who are centrists who do not understand anything about what is going on in the world. To put it into context, I am a socialist by the way. Real left-wingers have been calling out this PC shit before you right-wingers started calling it out. Real left-wingers have been critical of the MSM and pop culture before you right-wingers started calling it out. In fact, the Frankfurt School which you right-wingers claims created this PC cultural marxism crap, were actually vehemently opposed to the very things you claim they are spreading. Do your self a favor and actually go and read some left-wing literature so you can properly understand this. You have to do this in order to learn. You cannot read one side, you have to read both. It is impossible to be against something if you do not understand the very basic principles of the thing you are advocating against. Use your brain and do some thinking for yourself.
Joe Rogan is an absolute powerhouse. Physically, mentally, and civically. Very encouraging to see a platform handled in a manner that cannot be silenced giving voices to those who otherwise would be.
+CaptainRidley Let me guess, he just happens to have a lack of knowledge about the things you disagreed with him about? Fuck off mate, thanks for the laugh
Academics or the Intelligentsia, quite sane, most of them, tend to see him as an ignorant, prejudiced 'wanker'. Seemingly a bit miffed the Brits no longer own most of the world.
Hilarious that Joe thinks being "far left" is "way better" than "far right." I think we have enough information to know they are indistinguishable from one another in their levels of shittiness.
One advocates for the rights of minorities and the poor and the other advocates for genocide of those groups. But okay, can you explain to me why you think they're the same?
@Ben B. Seems pretty clear you have a fundamental misunderstanding of it yourself. You can get both left and right wing authoritarianism. Seen so many right wingers trying to rewrite both history and political theory lately. Where are you getting this information from?
@Ben B. "I hope you wake up to the idiocy that is your "belief" systems." if only you were intelligent enough to understand the irony of that statement
Have ( read ) both the death of Europe and now halfway through the madness of crowds, a beacon of sanity in todays chaos. Great interview lets have him back joe
"It's probably better that they're extremely left-leaning than right-leaning" - entirely possible, but the only reason everyone says this is because they've been told as much by those people, which is a bit of a conflict of interest.
They attribute far right to Nazis such as to suggest there's this thing where if you favor free trade, social conservatism, nuclear families and small government, 3 inches deeper than that is an ethnostate enforced with genocide in work camps. To me this is an insane leap and a very dishonest one. Probably if you're "very far right" then maybe you want to cut funding to public schools and social programs but it certainly doesn't mean you're wearing a brown shirt and throwing bricks through Jewish owned stores.
I kept passing up anything with this guy Murray since I didn't know who he was, but what a brilliant take on the Corona and political issues on his newer sit down with Joe. I searched this older one just to hear more.
Is the radical left far better than the radical right? I think it's beginning to lose the moral high ground here. The death of free speech is its own fascism.
I would say the radical left is larger, more deranged and more dangerous than the radical right at this current time. It's not difficult to understand the far right... religious conservatism, racism, nationalism, patriotism etc. are all easy concepts to understand but the far left are bat-shit crazy hypocritical fools. Makes no sense.
@@toby9999the far left is just as easy to understand. They fall in line with the exact opposite of all the right wing values you listed. The far right were essentially puritanical fanatics but that's shifted to the left and they have become exactly what they hate. It's all projection. Secular puritans based completely in their own self-righteousness.
@Aaron Hawley I couldn't agree more. When you take an all knowing deity behind the ideology pushing its agenda any secular values no matter how asinine they seem, they just don't pose the same threat that history books are filled with by God fearing mass murdering zealots.
Giovanni Gentile who innovated the idea of fascism considered himself on the left. Mussolini, the first person to try and implement fascism on any scale was a socialist. At least in America, some of the core tenets of the right wing is federalism and individual rights, which are directly contradictory to nationalism or socialism. No nation isn't nationalist and most 1st world nations are socialistic, so using these terms as disparagements are vacuous statements. However, they have little if anything relatable to the American right wing and point by point very closely resemble the modern American left wing. Left and right wing definitions are so abused to be meaningless anymore. I go by the political compass which has a strict definition and places fascism as authoritarian center. The more meaningful spectrum is between authoritarian and libertarian. The problem with the Nazis wasn't nationalism, socialism, or racism. The problem with the Nazis is they committed genocide. They were authoritarian. Fascism is militant national socialism, the militant part is the problem.
@@shadfurman The right extreme is Corporatism, and the left, Statism. They're equally elitist and corruptible, and authoritarianism-dependent. That's why libertarians are so centrist.
Both the far left and the so called "far right" are for big government, whoever is for big government isn't "right wing" by the American tradition, a far right winger would be for anarchy, a real "conservative" tries to conserve liberty and freedom which would be considered right wing.
I really don't like the way so many people use the term "far Right." I mean, what they're calling far Right is Nazis. Oh, you mean the people who hated capitalism, hated big box retailers (no, really. They hated shopping malls, and retail chains), believed in eating whole grains, vegetarianism (because eating meat somehow promoted capitalism), organic farming, were early pioneers of environmentalism, and believed in the welfare state? Yeah, that sounds really far Right, man! The only reason people say this is they were racist, blood-and-soil types who wanted to exterminate an entire race of people. That's what they call far Right. Then, it was the Jews they wanted to exterminate. Now, it's...I dunno...white people?... Oh, but anti-Semitism is back in fashion now. I forgot... What so many people don't think about is that far-Right would be anarchism, or the utopian vision of anarcho-capitalism, with no government at all, which really has no chance of happening. (Oh, but anarchists could say, "It's never been tried." Ha!)
@@mmille10 you make a good point. We have a far right, and far left in this country, but they both get blown out of proportion when people compare it to Stalin and Hitler. Just because a politician is socialist trying to reign in capitalism, or a religious fundamentalist who acts like a dictator, does not mean we'll fall into madness of the 1930's/1940's. People use these arguments because they're too attached to their beliefs and want to demonize the other side. We have a well established system of checks and balances that will keep us the best in the world.
Or like the national socialist workers party... or nazi party for those who dont know what the name of the party was... who were socialist, like bernie is today sure not right wing
the far right historically would do all those things. mccarthy witch hunts. and they'd accuse people of immorality, impropriety, deviancy, even satanism. there's no use pretending the rabid left came out of thin air. it's the easiest thing in the world to see the problems on the other side of the fence.
Douglas needs to be asked back Joe. He’s easily one of the more brilliant and outspoken voices of our time. Much respect
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The torchbearer, post Hitchens.
John Smith We need more people like these with the courage to speak up
Douglas Murray's appearance on this cast was long overdue.
He wrote a new book that will be released in September so I bet he will be asked back to discuss that
The danish stateminister told the muslim brotherhood when asked to censur the muhammed drawings after the publishing of them "No, i will not censur it, that's not how we do it in Denmark" - that's how to handle religious nutters.
omega1231 ja for helve !!
Go Denmark!
The tail does not wag the dog.
@@j_freed Well said!
Quite.
Two years later....and everything Murray said would happen has. We are at the edge of a critical race theory apocalypse.
Until the guns come out.
Can you flesh out: “crt apocalypse”?
how the hell Joe is still a lefty is beyond me.
I think that it's more religion based as opposed to colour, after all Black isn't an ideology no matter how it's marketed.
No, it's just the media exaggerating everything. Quit fearmongering.
Douglas has always been one of the most heroic and concise voices of reason.
Douglas Murray needs to be back with his new Book! "The Madness of Crowds"!
Must be back.
Defo needs to be back on
Great book it is
would love a second
Yes, especially now the winner of the poem competition disparaging Erdogan is actually the Prime Minister.
Douglas Murray is a very measured, calm intellectually stimulating gent.
...And very ineffective...but nice. You don't try to persuade your enemy - you kill them
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Trying to take part in the bolshevik revolution? I hear Cheka is hiring again
I've always found Douglas to be 1 of the more thoughtful, highly intelligent, very carefully considered speakers, and he certainly did not disappoint here. He's also consistent! Great interview
This started autoplaying for me. "Oh seems relevant, new guest from yesterday?" Nope, dude was talking about this 2 years ago and it all became true.
Maybe you should play some things from 50 years ago. The story has not changed much.
Murray said in an interview yesterday with Politics Joe something along the lines of - of the 2 great lessons of the 20th Century, many in Western Society only learned 1. When a country goes too far right it’s terrible(Adolf Hitler). But what wasn’t learned by many is that it’s also the case when we go too far left (Comrade Joe).
He did a new podcast with Douglas Murray yesterday and it’s the podcast of the year.
@@chrisccc22 what has been is what will be. And that what has been done is what will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun
@@NealBromfield Tomorrow
"Hate Speech" is just free speech that you don't like.
leftist are excellent at coining useless terms to validate their nonsense. Hate speech and progressive are new terms used to excuse radical behavior. Once someone is labeled by some dumb SJW label that gives them a pass to judge and threaten anyone with violence and its ok because some blogger said they were a NAZI.
Hate speech is any speech liberals hate.
Truth Addiction TV haha it’s a good point
@@Thelastdan Progressivism just means constant flux and cultural destruction.
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When facts are considered hate speech, we're in trouble.
ps: We're in trouble!
Right, I’ve almost got the feeling this is all in preparation for the setup of a global government which would supposedly “save” us from ourselves by taking the freedom of speech away from us,...oh yes, there are invisible powers behind the wheel
@@paulasamec8715 I think it's an attempt to convert the whole western world to islam. Every step makes it harder to be anything other than Muslim.
@@redghost6386 outlawing discrimination against women makes it very difficult to be a muslim
Serious trouble!
@@redghost6386 i agree.. I've actually heard them use the words conquer the white house.. it's worst then people think yet the news tells us the opposite... everytime a synagogue is attacked , the first thing the news says is "possible white supremacists" even when they scream allahu akbar.. look we know its muslim.. why pretend to not know?? because afraid of being called a racist? Islam is not a race
If you keep crying wolf (hate-speech) then people won't notice when the real wolf comes.
The real wolf is already here, and it's the one trying to censor all opposition, and everyone calling out the wolf is labeled hate speech.
Or maybe the female bears show up instead.
Matt Pressley 100%. Like Douglas said in a different video people will over use the terms ‘nazi’ and ‘fascist’ and ‘racist’. So when one of them really does come along and they label them a ‘fascist’ no one will take it seriously as the terms would have been so over used and out of context
A rather invaluable nursery ryhme :)
He said that at 5:31?
Watching this in 2020 - is like someone predict the future.
I'm at the part where Murray is railing about guns, not realizing that even then the Left was calling on knives to be banned
I swear it took way too long for me to realize this was a 2 year old video due to its relevance.
@@HB-gv9sz Yeah, a lot of the radical identitarian BS started in college between 2013 and 2017, and only certain IDW individuals caught it earlier, and it's now seeped into companies and culture because those kids have graduated college. People like Brett Weinstein predicted this with the whole Evergreen fiasco, and it really wasn't that hard to predict.
In my opinion, it was the (seemingly) huge sweep across our culture that this ideology has taken over.
Alex Jones predicted this way back, and they banned him for it.
Except it wasn't Nazi's we had to worry about. It was the radical left.
This is one of the main reasons why I watch Joe Rogan, because he is not afraid to have conversations with people on all sides of the fence.
Michael L. LaPorte HMC FMF yes but Michael, iv noticed that he will change his opinions & the flavour of his conversations which gets extremely contradictory at times
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.
Cicero
Cicero? And look what happened to him!
Mark Anthony ordered to have hus hands cut off after being executed.
Every nation should have an expiration date.
@holyworrier - not necessarily. The US constitution and the Republic it created is pretty amazing. The problem is how it has been corrupted by the rich and powerful. The people have allowed it... if the US dies, there will never be another, and with technology, the ruling class will never be challenged again.
The left hates whatever country they are living in and work 24/7 to destroy it.
This may get lost in a sea of comments but the UK Foreign Secretary referenced at 26:50 is now the UK Prime Minister, Boris Johnson (:
Just hoping people would find that as hilarious as I do (:
I just thought the same thing
GTFOH? Dude thats awesome !!! Man i love boris im American and not too much into British politics i like reading up on Brexit which i why i know who boris is even so id still know him because hes president or the english equivalent :)
That’s great, thank you for that!
Boris, sounds Russian.
Douglas is brilliant, we really need logical thinkers like him in our political system. It won't happen though; he has principles and thinks for himself.
Not to brilliant... but still logical... needed in politics to check others ego although he is no better than far left on virtue signaling... and he will play identity politics when get the chance...
Which is why I'm surprised at him, post US election, having anything favourable to say about Donald Trump.
I’m not so sure Joe. Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot. The far left has proved itself to be pretty damn dangerous in the past.
Not leftist governments. Dictatorships that falsely labeled themselves as left (or populist for Stalin) for support without following any of the principles of the left.
@@JStack No true Scotsman much?
Has there ever been a left leader including the ones you listed that wasn't a dictator and actually did the things that the left stands for. Equality of opportunity, a social safety net, liberty of speech, freedom of religion and expression and so on, even in these basic principles they have all failed dangerously.
If Jesus was to come today the right would call him lefty and socialist, Jesus wasn't a free market's guy
There was nothing lefty or socialist about Jesus.
Think of Denmark. I often hear support for the “Denmark” model when I say show me a socialist society that has worked. Here’s the thing, Denmark has the label of socialism but is total free market in practice. Do your own research to fact check these facts. First of all, now this is very important, Denmark is roughly the SIZE OF MARYLAND. A system that works in such a small nation is not going to work in a powerhouse of a country with a large AND extremely diverse population. There a a FEW quasi-socialist systems Denmark. FIFTY percent, HALF of every citizens money goes to income and sales tax YET the average citizen of Denmark has substantially less (I believe 28%) disposable income than the average American. Denmark is rated one of the easiest places in the world. Third I Believe. Second only to Singapore and one other-sounds pretty capitalist huh? They also receive “free healthcare”. But it’s not free. That’s part of what that 50% of their income goes to covering and even with that a large and growing percentage of the populace has decided to spend even more money to get private healthcare because the government one is near worthless in many instances. They have free public school but a substantial and growing amount of parents choose to pay to send their kids to private school. College is also ”free” (hard to call it that when half of your money pays contributes to paying for it. It even includes a living allowance but they have a BIG problem with a lot of students just staying in school becoming life long students for the free ride therefor never contributing to society at large. Also, a lot of kids that would never pay to go to college because they don’t have enough interest in it for one reason or another choose to go just for a few years of free living. Their consumer economy operates within a total capitalist free market system and for that reason alone they can’t be considered a socialist nation. There are examples like this for days but this is just a UA-cam comment. Do your own reading for 5 minutes and you will see many more examples of the few socialist policies they still have failing and the capitalist/free market policies they have succeeding. Now can you give me an example of a true modern socialist society success story?
as a lifelong democrat who has felt something was seriously wrong ever since the Obama years, I am thankful to people like Joe Rogan and Douglas Murray who can articulate the problems with the ideological left. I find it hard to believe that any reasonable and honest person can listen to the arguments put forth here and still remain on the ideological left
The problem is the belief that there is a left and right as well as a neutral place. We all need to accept and face the problems all of us face on this world together with political and religious views set aside to do it. In so not working this way together it will always been one against another until one group finally wipes out the other groups, and then they will turn on each other and the cycle will keep going and going and going, until a paradigm shift as a whole or a world wide event happens that forces us to act like nice and friendly neighbors to survive and say who cares if you think different, look different, speak different, we are all human and will not make it unless we focus on only that as our commonality to fix the problem and keep it all separate. This goes for the governmental systems of every single nation and every single religion worldwide. Not doing so, well the two things are the only solution, regardless of opinion , such is not hard to see what I say is the one truth of the problem as a whole. But in so having this mindset I am a outcast because I do not have a side. Unless that side means, setting aside all to work on all of our problems with no outside influences of beliefs to faluter progress. This sounds neutral but it is not, neutral is ignoring all sides. I accept all sides and see them all to be the problem. Culture is not our friend, Religion not the way, political parties not the cure, logic is the winner, being a fellow human the only truth and belief system to move foward.
haha i did not vote for either one of them.
the democrats could have easily won the '16 election if they ran with Bernie Sanders. But of course, the democrats have sold out to wall street and the corporations long ago, and there was no way the corporations would allow a socialist to have a chance at winning, so they rigged the primaries for Hillary. absolutely disgusting, so the democrats and "crooked" hillary lost my vote right there
didn't vote for Trump because I am a registered voter in Texas, and Texas was gonna go for Trump anyway. not being in a swing state means that my vote truly did not matter in the '16 election when it came to the presidential race.
however, once i saw that the democrats cheated to put hillary up for the race, i knew trump was gonna win anyway. anyone who thought that after 8 years of obama's liberal elitism and hypocrisy, that the democrats had a chance to win under hillary is delusional
Douglas Murray is a self described conservative
What now youre a right winger all of a sudden?
You're part of the old party. Young libs are leftists, not liberals. Liberals don't stand for the "leftist" ideology. They are patriots. I'm a conservative with quite a lot of liberal family members and I can say they agree with you. Unfortunately, wolves in sheep's clothing have infiltrated the Democratic party.
So happy this happened, Douglas is one of the greatest intellects in the Western world right now.
Yup!!!!👏👏👏
53:00 Children mocking some guy for being bald. This immediately reminded me of my granddaughter. When she was three she innocently asked me "Grandpa, why is your head naked?" I almost pissed myself laughing. I told her God is Perfect in many ways but he isn't very good at making nicely shaped heads. Those he doesn't get right he covers with hair.
A builder I know was once on a job at an old farm house. On his lunch break, he had a little kip in his truck. The young daughter of the place's owners said to him, "You're just like a baby, aren't you?" He replied, "How do you mean?" She said, "Well, I used to have a nap after lunch when I was a baby." As she was walking away, she turned to him and added, "...and you've got no hair."
And he will kill her with a bear if she says anything else about it 🤔
Ralphenstein Children are the best at unintentional burns
A bit of context on the bear scripture :
christianindex.org/elisha-god-send-bear-maul-children-106/
My guess would be the story was to teach kids to respect their elders. Perhaps in ancient times kids who didn’t abide by that rule were in fact in danger of losing their life.
I could be completely wrong tho 🤷♂️ I am one of those people who have not read the Bible.
So the far left.... antifa, people who want to stop free thought, and crush any opposition to their crazy beliefs, also they are racists as well, are better than the far right? No they are one in the same, and the far left is arguably more dangerous because they have reach and they can sway public actions. Ive never been in a situation where ive been afraid to say its bad to be racist against minorities, or where ive been afraid to defend the rights of people on the left or any person of color. But i have had to think to myself before i open my mouth and speak out against conservative censorship or against racism against white people bc i be attack for that. Ive lost friends over that sort of thought but ive never lost friends for goimg against the far right. So the far left is more dangerous by far.
The far-left is also protected by the status quo, which makes them far more dangerous. Their hatred and violence is deemed socially acceptable by major institutions such as the mass media and academia.
@@williamdraken6018 Well that's exactly where they get their legitimacy from, there's countless and countless of social theories and schools of thought that have been pushed out for decades, that make the left seem as the default position to have in societal issues. It's the intellectual basis for their revolutionary actions. Every revolution has to have some basic corner stones to be an effective and long lasting one.
1) intellectual justification
2) backing from sympathetic mass media(s)
3) activists outside of the political system that make the dirty work of suppressing opposition, either violently, non-violently or both
I left out the obvious ones, which of course are political parties, military and law enforcement.
It's like at some point there was an invisible and unspoken agreement between the left and the right where they agreed that the right can handle the economics, while the left got to have the educational and media entities. Of course it was not a real, actual agreement, but if it would've been, then kudos to the left for playing the long game, since now they're reaping the benefits of that deal.
I'm left leaning and I somewhat agree. The left is more vocal and hateful in what they say. I believe it is because these people are in pain and don't know any other way to express it.
Conservatives or right leaning people seem to hold their pain inside themselves more. They look at how you are infringing on them and less about their personal problems.
There is one thing that conservatives don't seem to see about their side. People who are a little less stable seem to be more likely to kill than people on the left. It may be that conservatives, in general, have better access to firearms. It is not really access, I guess, but just more a part of their lives. To me, it isn't a bad thing for conservatives to enjoy guns(I've owned them myself in the past). It's a problem when someone has one that shouldn't.
I think even most conservatives think there should be better background checks. Yet they get blamed, because their Representatives are bought and paid for just like on the left.
@@slippyC73 well said 100%agree
They are also pro Hamas … pro terrorist I mean!
Douglas Murray is brilliant. He made so many points that were just glossed over. I could here him speak for hours.
**hear him speak
He is a true intellectual and very independent thinker. He's hard to predict, which is a sure sign of an honest person. It's a shame this wasn't four hours, Sam Harris-style.
K M Agreed, Ive listened to him before with molyneux and older interviews he really is well spoken. Rogan did a good job but there were times he should have laughed or responded but Murrays comment just floated on by. Anyway, if you crossed maybe Charlie Rose with Jay Leno you would get something close to the Joe Rogan Podcast. Great guests but not hyper serious.
Can't recommed Douglas' book highly enough. Well worth a hardcover purchase.
Ikr.
It's a beautiful cover but I found the contents uninteresting
I tried reading it, I couldn't comprehend it... ill stick to GOT like the rest of us dumb cunts.
Kreed, try Robert Graves. A little more highbrow than GOT but just as interesting.
That's so strange to hear, then again I'm an Islamic immigration nerd, so that might explain it. :D
South Park doesn't get nearly enough credit for always holding the line.
I agree and I so wish the new season was happening now. I can only imagine what they would do with everything going on. I'm just hoping that they or the network don't cave to the sjw's.
@@jennyk9748 They themselves won't.
Well.... in a bear suit.... in a car. I’m not sure I would call that ‘holding the line’.
I don’t blame SP by the way, more likely some Comedy Central exec got scared. For a good reason, obviously.
But still, I’m not as impressed as it seem others in this thread are. Did they make a statement, sure. But that is about all I’d call it.
He is the most important intellectual voice against the Islamization of Western Europe because the Leftist media has NEVER been able to paint him as a hater or "racist". Keep up the fight Mr. Murray.
Opposing the Islamization of Europe is Islamophobic.by definition and bigoted and mostly xenophobic.
Islamification, Christianisation, Paganisation.... In the broad stretch of history these are fads that come and go. Why are we not fighting for the restitution of ancient pagan religions while we are at it. How about witch trials, and the Raping and pillaging we have seemed to move away from?
Check out the late 'Christopher Hitchens'... thank me later
@@tonybenjaminosamabinladen482 Lol cool story bro
I watched the interview between Mark Ruben and Tommy Robinson (I think that's right)... check it out. He's not an "intellectual, but he is at the front of this as well. Good luck!
Joe, bring this guy back!!! Talk about 'The Madness of Crowds'!
Douglas is one of the best humans on this planet. I love this dude.
I wish there more people like Douglas Murray.
i would wish you shut the fuck up and think and don't believe anything you hear goggle how many we killed and how many they killed of us then you know who is evil you stupid donkey.
@@michealbond1240 i mainly am taking the side of freedom speeche here. As for violence there is no good guys. just cycle that needs to end. Btw my country has never attacked anywhere since middle ages. And even then we were under a another country.
@@TheMetalHeadbangger Congratulations for replying calmly to an antagonistic, rude and idiotic comment! I agree, I wish more people were like Douglas Murray, too.
@@joeboonmusic4004 Thank you. I think the only way to move fowards from all this hate is to have factual conversations and just stop the blame game. Otherwise the cycle Will never end.
@@TheMetalHeadbangger Couldn't agree more. That's what we can learn from people like Douglas Murray... He's not being antagonistic like Milo Yiannopoulos or Shapiro, he simply wants us to be able to have a conversation about topics that have, for whatever reason, become taboo.
Christopher Hitchens would have been on the Joe Rogan Experience....
Depressing to know he never will. It would have been awesome.
The Hitchslap videos on UA-cam are fantastic. Would have been a brilliant guest.
why do people love him so much? is it because he is actually smart, or is it because his belief system aligns with yours? Because I answered his unanswerable question in about 3 seconds.... one which he claimed "nobody ever answered" He's obviously objectively biased and refused anything that would disagree with his views. If I figured it out in seconds, surely many others did as well. Admit it, you only like him cause hes atheist. I used to be atheist too. Whats sad is, I was never a believer, most atheist only become atheist in college or high school or something, I was thinking about philosophical ideas like eternity and God at 6, so you think just like a 6 year old. Just saying, that's truth.
lol what was your answer then?
LEGIT k I didn't respect the man and his enjoy his work because he was an atheist - though that is part of it. My appreciation of him is far more wide ranging than that. His essays on literature and politics were enthralling quite apart from the whole "New Athiest" thing. That label and scene was only one part of Hitchens life and work, though it became his main preoccupation toward the end.
Im from uk and like Douglas. Hes honest about islam etc without a hate agenda tone.
aandyist budd I think the most important point of his by far is the left dealing with Islam and immigration. You really don't want to empower far right mass movements.
aandyist budd - I disagree. He's just an intellectual apologist for the far right. It's the same script - fundamentalist Islam incubated in Saudi Arabia being conflated with everyone practicing that faith. Absolutely no mention of western foreign policy.
John Smith you're simply constructing a strawman. What sane person is saying that 1.7 billion Muslims are radicalized?
from the UK and love Douglas. He is the Tyson of debates. Or, Christopher Hitchens. With his amazing debates, his no nonsense attitude, his intelligence.. he's the next Chris Hitchens, this guy.
He's damn right about Islam. The west as a huge problem that isn't going away
'Very close enemy of mine' 😂
Douglas Murray is a G.
Mehdi Hassan is trash. Douglas wiped the floor with him.
The left ARE NOT open minded.
Far left..
@@RandomAussie89 If you are reasonable on the left, they just haven't got around to kicking you out yet.
So true!
@@thelast9021 the far left doesn’t get to define what it means to be liberal. Even if the far left hates a classically liberal person, they can’t change what the words mean.
& openness is considered a trait of a liberal, whether the far left possesses that trait or not
@@crujones2849 Yes they do, because most liberals do not speak up. They are afraid of the far left, to be labeled and such. If the 8-10% are screaming and the 90% are silent, guess who leads.
Thanks for this one. I could listen to Douglas Murray speak all day long.
suck him off
Joe:It is far better they are Left Wing extremists.
Me a Venezuelan Immigrant: Que?
@@THEROTTINGDOG any south american military government
@@THEROTTINGDOG chile, argentina, bolivia, brazil
He’s talking about in USA
Don't forget these left-wing extremists;
Cuba
Russia
China
Cambodia
North Korea
etc.
Yeah this baffled me too. "It is far better to be shot in the left leg than shot in the right leg." An extremist is an extremist, Joe 🤷
Douglas murray is a hero! What is happening at the world??! People are so scared now that truth is forbidden...God help us
God? How about we humans help ourselves instead of fairy tales?
@@Nipponing The democratic system is a fairy tale as well
Ots all started by muslim brotherhood. 100 yr take over. First education system. Notice they are the only people that are protected in univ thry hold them up.
@@birdsong985 The only Muslim Brotherhood I am aware of in the UK is the one that was democratically elected to power in Egypt and then brought down by a western coup and the leaders executed......EXECUTED!!!! Is Mubarak still alive??
@@utv5490 it is written document by mbh. 100 yr take over of America and as you see the same steps is being implemented in UK etc. Look up Brigette Gabriel and what she went through in Lebanon when they took them in then yrs later took over. They turned on them.
Murray has good Queen's manners. He's not interrupting or talking over Joe, which the other guests do so much.
Ummm yeah.... if you could make Douglas "Q" in the next James Bond movie, that'd be great......thanks.
Jo Po - You are the Carlos Mencia of the comment section lol
Jo Po THAT'S A GREAT IDEA!
Haha yes 100%
It will be Jane Bond tho.
Jo Po What would the Q stand for?
Finally! Douglas Murray is absolutely fantastic, I cannot get enough of him 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
*HOW DARE* a gay man criticize a religion that wants him beheaded and thrown off a roof...BIGOT!!!
exactly if a devoted Muslim quoted a Quran verse that encourages Muslims to kill apostates this is OK according to FB but if I said that I hate Muslims for this sh* I get banned wtf really
Mohamed Nofal - quoting a verse by the Quran or the Bible is not the same as an individual expressing hate towards a group of people, quit being stupid, Mohamed. These books were written centuries ago, personal comments coming from your mind are a different thing, thermistor no comparison.
@@erwinkunze4091 no quoting the Quran is much worse than quoting the bible or my opinion because they really follow these verses and consider it holly religion created an atmosphere of hate and discrimination how am I supposed to reply when someone read a text that says that I should get killed for leaving Islam and then incorporate this text into the law like what happens Muslim majority countries...... Islam interferes heavily in politics its by nature a socio-political doctrine until Muslim learn how to separate the state and the church Islam should be criticized without any restrictions if not the consequences are going to be really bad I promise you
Now you get a Community Guideline Strike, or a CGS. This one was a warning, next one will get you a sterner comment from the Community.
@@MightyQuinnj XD
The far left aren't racist? you're joking right Joe.
You can tell just how little Joe knew about far left radicals back then
@@JOMAFUA Seriously. I've never seen a more racist group in my life.
Yet they're completely overrun with anti-Semites.
@SAMURAI 武士 Even the black and hispanic white supremacists.
@SAMURAI 武士 so is the argument racism is bad or racism against certain groups of people is okay kind of sending mixed signals there fuck face
Douglas is one of our times most important intellectuals
I can't fucking believe Douglas Murray has been on the JRE.
Don't think it was a big surprise he would appear at some point. Maajid Nawaz will be invited on soon hopefully.
Art Vandelay One can hope!
Luke Robertson I know right, Rogan only gets 16 million downloads a month, why would Murray want to do a show like that.
Note:
1 1/2 years after this conversation 2 of the presidential candidates stated plainly "yes , we're going to take away your guns"..
Joe needs to stop pinning racism on the right. There's no monopoly on racism by the right.
That's absolutely true.
Nono. Racism is Something from the right. But blm is not far left. They are far right. They just erased working class with race.
@@carlosbanderas4238 Explain please.
There is no right or left ,only truth!
Fact.
Such a calm, composed, articulate guy. One of my favorite guests of this show-ever.
Murray, imho, is the Hitchens 2.0
Roger G2 2.0 is still in the alpha stages of development.
A very sedated Christopher Hitchens with some sort of filter
Articulate once he actually gets his thoughts in order😂
Love the guy, but half the time he talked, I was worried he'd go into a fit. Although I'm damn sure I'd be stammering if I was in front of Rogan and 5+ million eyes/ears
Fun fact: Hitchens once called a biography Douglas Murray wrote "Masterly". The biography was about a romantic partner of Oscar Wilde and Murray wrote it while he was 19, in his second year at Oxford University.
fuzzylogiceire Hitchens also praised Tucker Carlson.
Douglas Murray is so goddamn awesome. Brilliant show!
Most of the clips I watch with Murray involve him in an extremely confrontational environment. It's good to see him in this relaxed atmosphere. He seems like a really cool dude.
Ever saw the one with Dave Rubin... it looked like they were gonn jump on each other... Murray was being very flirtatious...
29:33
Douglas Murray is a rare treasure ❤️
Douglas is a beacon of light amidst the dark mass storm of European self-destruction politics. God bless.
Oh STFU with your regurgitating nonsense . Just because he speaks queens english calmly - does not mean he is not a typical english , racist twat hiding behind plausible deniability , whilst posing as an academic . Your anti-Islam crusades are ridiculous - way to get played by divide and conquer 2018 .
Are you mentally stable? What are you even on about? What does that have to do with Douglas here? Or what paulus said? What is it exactly you disagree with?
Nothing it seems. Just peddling unrelated nonsense to pass the time?
Do you deny that Europe's current immigration policies are unmanageable and destructive?
Do you deny that the Quran is full rubbish?
Stay off the cocaine and prozac lad . All that hate is bad for your heart beppe . Your ilks superiority complex is just hilarious to observe .
Hate? What hate? Dude, what the fuck is wrong with you? Sounds to me like you're projecting. When's the last time you had cocaine? 5 minutes ago?
I didn't hate on anything, I'm asking you questions and you respond to something I didn't say.
Something is off. Either you're reading comprehension or you mental stability. I'm guessing both.
Either answer my straight forward questions, or seek help.
1.''Do you deny that Europe's current immigration policies are unmanageable and destructive? ''
2. ''Do you deny that the Quran is full rubbish?''
1. No - this earth is not the exclusive property of white europeans . Exodus , movement of the people .
2. Some truth , some horseshit , mixed together to create a religious order .
I love how they argue that you need knowledge of history and then argue that far left is better than far right. I guess they missed the history of russian and chinese communism.
@Urayis wish l There is a thing called sarcasm..
I feel that the left and right and what they stand for have shifted many times in human history. Enviromentalism used to be more of a right wing issue now it’s more left, republicans where more like todays democrats and so on. :)
@@vikb4151 The world is constantly chaning - what a shocker (not). Imo this ignorance is a result of messing with educational system. Bezmenov was right. And Epstein didnt kill himslef.
@Michael Jones Stalin enslaved most of the Russian nation, not to mention Ukraine; he started to exterminate the Jews there, not to mention the smaller races in the south of Russia, like the Cossacks, etc. He murdered more than a million of his own people and put 4 million in prisons where many of them died from starvation. I can hate Nazis and Commies at the same time like I can hate cancer and AIDS.
@Michael Jones Please explain the Transfer Agreement then.
How can you call a radical leftist "open minded"? They are shuttinf down everything they disagree with.
Bjord Haaland ... you have to conform in Hollywood or run the risk of being on the outside looking in.
My son asked me to watch a Joe video. I am truly enjoying so many of your interviews. Have so much respect for Mr. Murray. His books are outstanding.
His books are sterling.
Basically anything said that disagrees with Leftist dogma is now called "hate speech".
I think that’s a fight they can’t win. Joe is way too influential and damn near untouchable. The views he gets is an extremely thick armor that I do t think they can penetrate. Just my opinion of course, take care.
It's not a leftist dogma. It might be on the internet, but this is not reality. Where I find PC outrage culture most prevalent is in the so called liberal center and silicon valley/hollywood pseudo-leftists. People who are more pro status quo than anybody and have so little to offer to ordinary people that they revert to fake outrage over topics of hardly any significance. Regarding questions of socio-economics, they are firmly on the right or have no opinions at all.
@Steve Arnold - Joe is controlled opposition, and as long as he pushes the approved agenda, he will be fine. If he says something outside the boundary of approved ideology, they would disappear Joe tomorrow. And he knows it.
Joe is a shill. A very rich shill.
And anyone who disagrees with the dogma is also deemed a "racist".
guttural truth - well said.
Great podcast I know some people think that these kinds of podcasts are boring but I like them even more then the more comedy focused podcasts but that might just be me.
Agree. Unless it's Uncle Joey
D true
the reason this podcast is so successful is because of the variety.Joe can have a back and forth with the best of them, very few people who follow this podcast would label any of these shows "boring".
Absolutely. What’s to learn or think about when it’s just comedians shooting the shit. Those are nice to just decompress to while paying half attention. If it wasn’t for the more intellectual guests he gets, I wouldn’t watch very often at all. Couldn’t even watch the Don Iguella (how ever it’s spelled with out checking), so boring. Either way who are any of us to give him shit for the FREE entertainment/informative podcasts. We could be stuck watching cable news! Yarrrrgggghhhh
I don't even watch the ones with comedians.
3:10 shows joe rogan has really been fooled by the MSM and doesn’t really know what the right and left really are.
Paul Morris that’s the only way to hear from all oppositions nowadays, unfortunately
Would Rogan dare to have a discussion with Jared Taylor.?
The 'left' 'right' thing has become a meaningless description. You have nutty extremists at both ends who have more in common than they have with the centre.
@George Reynolds He does have an open mind, an inquisitive and likeable nature, the world's most successful chat show and a lovely shiny head. So go easy pal.
@The Dracobirthstonian Yes, I am sure. How sure? REALLY sure.
When you notice that your point of view is being censored, it's already too late .
Remember history or it will repeat the same atrocious actions.
When we as a society begins to censor any speech we will quash all speech.
I may not agree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it.
Wow somebody who actually talks about this stuff thank god
People find it very difficult to distinguish between hate speech and speech by people they hate, and that's why hate speech rules and laws are dangerous.
Lee A good rule of thumb is that hate speech doesn't exist.
"Hate speech" is an idiotic term to begin with.
The idea that a person may be guilty of 'Hate Speech' is Orwellian. People should be judged on their deeds only and bad ideas should be openly challenged. Their expression should not be stifled.
Nicely put Lee
Finally it happened! The only guest I really wanted to see on here for a long time!
I was thinking the same for the last two years, Douglas is great
declan h - Yea, I can't think of anyone who deserves the exposure more
They keep talking as if only right wing ppl can be racist
Jordan Peterson many times brought up that the left going too far would be a problem. Where would it go? We’re seeing it now.
@shadowbot696 took me a minute - that’s quite smart.
In order not to be labelled as bigots and be politically correct, the British Police and Child Protection Services ignored and tried to bury atrocities in Rochdale and Roterham. THIS IS WHAT POLITICAL CORRECTNESS WILL LEAD THE WORLD TOO.
Wrong! They take care of their own
People have stop worrying about being a bigot islamaphob if me being a proud and caring American patriot then so be it we have to wakeup and stand up for our country look up Act for America.
@@cdecde2858When You say 'Murica , you mean First Nation Land pillaged and genocided by... White European men ? Fuck your nationalism , you traded patriotism for humanity .
@@cdecde2858 Honestly , Fuck off with your edl , daily mail ''facts'' you pleb .
@@betweenserenityandrage5787 You need to see a shrink dude.
Douglas Murray's "The Strange Death of Europe" is a must-read.
definitely. Scared the shit out of me if truth be told, but like Jordan Peterson, really joins the dots like no other intellectual has been able to up until now on the subject of the culture wars that are currently raging across the western world.
Isnt it frustrating to read about european values, culture and wealth being destroyed?
fjkzd J. Very, as they are my values as well. Worried that a war is brewing over there.
New book out now, Madness of Crowds, is another essential read. It is fantastic, hilarious, cutting, thought provoking. One of the best authors of our time.
more douglas murray, less ufc guys
Bob Cunningflaps well said
All demographics have to be covered, the knuckle draggers to those people that reflect and think in depth from several different perspectives, who change society for the better,
More UFC guys, less middle-brow political commentators. I watch Rogan for martial arts. If I want political science I'll buy a textbook.
@@rhysperegrine5100 politics is not a science, but, I understand, a text book is seldom correct, that's why free speech is so important,
@@smartchip I didn't say that politics was a science. But, misnomer or not, the study of politics is referred to as political science.
The difference between a text book and a UA-cam podcast is the textbook will teach opinion as opinion while the podcast will teach it as fact.
And stop acting like sitting on your arse watching dopey UA-cam videos is some kind of profound crusade against the forces of oppression. It's the modern day equivalent of getting stoned and watching the Discovery Channel.
This just in: far left is just as “racist” as far right.
In some cases worse because they hide it and call you racist if you don’t agree with them.
What is racism? Not seeing some as equal because of their race.
( Insert people that own more or are trying to own more. )
--> Left wing ideology
I'd argue that even the moderate left is extremely dangerous today. They may not be violent but they are complicit and they're not a small number at the vanishing thin edge of the left side of the distribution bell curve. So their complacency and acceptance of wokeness is enough to suck all of us into the authoritarianism vortex of anti reason.
I played left wing ,right wing ,center,defense and goalie so I guess that I covered all the bases!
That's their favorite go-to!
The extreme left is far more dangerous. Look at China. The extreme right has been repressed by society and is pretty much under control as far as their power.
Agreed.
Lynn trumps I don’t think the far right has been defeated as well as you suggest. Trump goes past the point of being conservative.
I came to the Voluntaryist position years ago. On the Right you have individual liberty, on the left you have collectivism. For me, all tyranny is leftist.
@@Go2Matthew what is the voluntsryist position ? 8
I can't seem to understand it..
In 1920s Germany you would have been able to say “the extreme right is pretty much under control as far as their power.” Not to mention, it’s those on the extreme right committing mass murder every so often. Meanwhile the “far more dangerous” Antifa is throwing milkshakes and rocks.
Been a big fan of Douglas for many years, pleased to see him on the show, good job!
Nothing of importance was said on this podcast mostly just puked up propaganda from the elite.keep parroting you fucking zombies.
strong argument backed with inscrutable evidence, my armchair is warmed and the ass groove has been adequately formed. Where do me and my tin foil hat sign up to your eye opening newsletter or should i just copy paste your misplaced anger at your parents disappointment straight to my facebook page to show all my friends your eye opening and profound knowledge of things above our own capacity?
zday40k top kek m8 u created a great post today
slight downgrade for using "eye opening" twice in this otherwise exquisite meme
zday40k m.ua-cam.com/video/UTmq1snDfSE/v-deo.html#
Haha! The foreign secretary Douglas refers to was Boris Johnson, who is now Prime Minister.
"He's a troublemaker" - That's a compliment!
That's what the Chinese Communist say to citizens
I've listened to hour after hour after hour of Jordan Peterson's lectures, interviews, and vlogs and if you think he is actively engaging in HATE speech then you are actively engaging in hating SPEECH.
I, too have partaken in his lobsteryness and concur your statement. What that means for future discourse is up for grabs but a degeneration process has begun and that seems absolute.
Unseen, thanks for the reply!...I agree that regarding discourse a degeneration certainly has happened...But with Professor Peterson leading the charge, and those like him, I am hopeful:)
that is an illogical comment.
Agreed 100%
I agree with you. It is amazing how quickly people will say Douglas Murray or Jordan Peterson are racists, bigots, etc. but when asked for an example they cannot point to anything. If they dislike a fact someone say than the person who stated the fact is a bigot. It is really scary how quickly people are willing to label each other.
Douglas Murray is one of the bravest souls in Great Britain.
Brave like a soldier or fire-fighter isnt he? You can just look at him and see bravery oozing out cant you lol!! Are everyone on radio shows brave?
Indeed, to tell it as it is or call it out for what it is, is brave because people like Douglas Murray are targets for crazies.
@@domfrancis3140 Like who? Name someone like Douglas Murray who is being targeted? Why would someone target a posh inneffectual fop who just appears on Sunday morning discussion programmes so he can Muslim bash?? Bullshitters!!!
The Duke Of Leopard second shit posting I have seen from you, and as a former soldier, D Murray is brave, for saying things that need to be discussed in this country that could have him arrested, I thought you lefties thought being gay and out was brave, or are you now a homophobe ??? That is the difference between “Normies” and leftists, you lefties do not hold yourself to the same standards you scream about ! That’s why we have the situations like Brexit, Trump and the far right parties in France and Germany rising is because of non critical thinking people like you, who have displayed no honour, no self sacrifice, no tolerance outside of your own safe space. Your idea of bravery seems to be bending the knee and repeat what you are told too, every Normie and centrist, traditional liberal and obviously the right see it as pure cowardice, I no longer care the best years of my life are behind me, and I enjoyed them, if you are a young man, the future you seem to want for yourself is one that someone else will prescribe to you... well good luck with that !!! Oh as your are a Duke, I should end with.... my Lord ;)
@@deanwinchester5982 Name someone by name like Douglas Murray who is being targeted? Just because you hate Muslims dont start hating on me.
From the UK, love listening to Douglas also Mark Steyn.
Steyn would be great
I never knew Douglas Murray could be so funny. These three hour conversations bring out qualities in his guests you can't see when they have two or three minutes at best on mainstream TV
One of the most rational guy Joe has interviewed.
"Hate Speech" legislation is code for 'Blasphemy Law', which really means "don't criticize islam" law.
The Bill of Rights 1689
2nd Section
Article 9
"That the Freedom of Speech and Debates or Proceedings in Parliament ought not to be impeached or questioned in any Court or Place out of Parliament."
Does that protect everyones speech or just Parliament\ politicians speech?
I think it's actually code for the supremacy of progressivism, not sharia creep. If that comes it would be later when the natives are ever so demoralized.
To see whole really holds the power look to see who you cannot be criticise...
"Street sharia", like the term, as I think we can see in Brittain. And it's so brazen that it's boggling... except it isn't boggling. It's brazen bc it can be, bc they recognize a space within which to move, and doing what they do, they move. We can actually perceive, if one is shrewd about it, that many of their numbers are actually playing us off against each other as though no one was even watching. So take, say, asking questions outside a mosque and having the Imam call the police about "harassment". But it begs the question, can they play us off against each other while we simply do not have our own moral order established, or rather, adhered to? (respected by our own)
This division or decline in "moral order", if you will, I think is the heart of the problem and why people, like myself, are very uneasy about having so many of them. There is not the strong current that used to be which would carry them along with us while not having to worry about the subversive potential of new people(s).
I didn't make a prognosis, but, you can perceive my... ahem, consternation. We have a wider problem of course than Islam.
The Vancouver Sun is calling the locals "denizens" if you catch my drift?
vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-does-chinas-money-threaten-canadas-sovereignty
Meanwhile, what does the "People's Republic" have but nukes and a billion strong slave labor force? Nothing. Meanwhile, the U.S. economy is 12% export based. I mean the world could implode and they'd be relatively immune. And yet, the whole west is Kowtowing to them.
Douglas Murray is on my top 10 list of people I'd love to have a beer with.
awwww..... his gay man! whats wrong with you!
He is in my top ten for glassing with a beer glass. Sad his dad is a Gealic speaking Scot, I wished he had been raised in Scotland spoke Gealic and had a good healthy dose of Scots collectivism.
Oi, ya jock bastard! Respect the 3 lions!
Well murray is half Scots, but couldnt care less. His defence of Neo-liberalism i have zero respect for.
yes indeed, the Scots have never contributed intellectually.
3:15 Radical Leftist ideology has killed millions, they are not better then the far right, they are just the opposite side of the same coin.
Preach.
Amen 🙏 BLM = KKK
The “sexists” and the “racists” are the heroes of our time.
Yes you just described the demacratz
One of history's Most Powerful quotes, to me, is;
"Though I disagree with what you say, I will defend, until death, your Right to say it." Is anything more....Noble?
Everywhere there are lies and half-truths and "discussions" about who's right and who's wrong. "I will defend your right to say words that I strongly disagree with" until WE come to an understanding of what is true. People have the right to make up their own minds, if they are capable of independent, critical thinking. Death to propaganda, death to lies. Truth is not negotiable!
Evelyn Beatrice Hall.
@@dannykirton6445 in her book about Voltaire.
baby turtle You missed the point. Speech = words. The actions you’re referring to are different. You have the right to say something dumb as shit but you do not have the right to put those thoughts into actions.
It's only a matter of time before they come for you Rogan
Seems like he could take it, financially and otherwise.
Unfortunately I think you are correct, even though he is pretty centrist.
Nah hes too big they cant stop him
Wether Joe knows it or not he took over for Johny fever (phone police) oh big joke. Then talk radio and Joe's tinfoil hat stereo type.im sure doesn't know he's a parroting shill.
Joe buys himself time making statements how the far left is better than the far right. Won't save him, mostly because that claim won't be true. I'll take a racist over someone who wants to shred personal liberty.
Funny how well all these past chats resonate now
Not funny at all.
radical left isnt exactly any better, last i remember stalin and mao combined killed 6 times more people combined than hitler...
@Edith K if think the Nazis were socialist you fell for their propaganda
@Edith K The truth is, Hitler didn't give a shit about economics. He used the idea of socialism to get the public behind him, yet he was all for private property to generate wealth. He used whatever he could for power.
People tend to focus on Hitler being placed on the left or right. People should be focusing on the fact he was pro-authoritarian. He would never have been in such a position to do what he did if the power wasn't so centralised.
@@busherinolol1693 national socialist lol
@@maisiecarruthers695 Hate to break it to you but things aren't always as politicans make them out to be that why the term propaganda exists.
@@busherinolol1693 where did you get that from when I was agreeing with you just correcting what the nazi's called themselves
I'm a die hard Christian. Murray speaks eloquently and with reason. Respect.
I believe extreme left killed more humans than extreme right.
I believe that's completely irrelevant to the discussion and an example of the ridiculous schoolyard score-keeping that Douglas is criticising on both sides of the aisle.
@cmm A fence sitter won't be able to find the 'fence' if he too does not keep score. Also, it never ceases to amaze me how easy it is for leftists to assign Nazism to right wing ideology. It is in fact Socialism. Everything about it is Socialism. The official name is the National Socialist German Workers Party. Hitler was not a Nationalist. He was a Globalist, and he wanted to spread his brand of socialism around the world.
But Islam has killed more than both put together. 270,000,000 since 634 and counting.
@@deletedforprivacy1948 Incorrect: "Fascism is when you can't put a cigarette paper between the interests of the government and corporate business interests" -Mussolini. Now you tell me who is pro-business. This revisionist view of history is baseless and has no substance. Authoritarianism can be right wing or left wing, fascism is a specific brand of authoritarianism that is specifically based on race. It is state capitalist. You might want to actually read some left-wing literature before you make some absurd claims like this. Fascism is not just authoritarianism. Your definition of of fascism as being left-wing is only based in the fact that fascism is authoritarian. Using that logic, fascism would be considered something that can be either left or right which is basically means that definition of fascism is the exact same as the definition of authoritarianism. Also, a name of a party doesn't mean anything. You claim Hitler was a globalist because he wanted to expand his authority which was nothing unique at the time. You clearly have forgotten that colonialism was occurring not only during Hitler's reign but also well after his time in power. The West didn't care what Hitler was doing because they did the exact same thing (slavery, Jim crow, apartheid, etc.....). The allies (mainly just US and UK) only got involved once Hitler's interests conflicted with the interests their own, hence the policy of appeasement. You have a basic lack of context which isn't allowing you to understand this. Also, your idea of what globalism is is wrong. (I'll use the US as an example here). In order to understand 'globalism', you have to understand capitalism (neoliberalism). You would claim to be a capitalist and, based on what you have commented, seem to be an isolationist. The problem with that is that they are incompatible. Capitalism is dependence the the accumulation of natural resources as natural resources are the foundation for all wealth in a capitalist society. For mass production to occur, it is necessary to have an abundance of resources. The problem is, where are these resources? These resources are in 'third-world' countries. This is why capitalism (both what built it and what sustains it today) is inherently incompatible with isolationism. The US (and all western countries since the US are filled the power vacuum that opened up post-WWII since Europe was in ruins) depends on these resources that ultimately come from third-world countries. These multinational business that are the pillars of capitalism go into these countries and repatriate all the wealth that they generate from the resources they gathered. Now, you would argue that is good for those countries because it creates jobs there. That is true. However, these jobs are only temporary and ultimately is bad for the economy (think of places like Detroit where all the factories closed down. However, this is exaggerated in third world countries as this makes up for the majority of the economies there). This is why the US has consistently installed pro-western business leaders (who ruthlessly murder innocent people: for example, in El Salvador where the US backed paramilitaries were throwing live babies in fires) in third world countries throughout the 20th century and continuing into today. Capitalism is dependent on this exploitation of the third world and there is absolutely no way to dispute this, it is fact. To provide an example of this, we give Africa billions of dollars in aide. Despite this, Africa actually loses roughly 40 billions more than it receives in aide because of this repatriation of wealth by multinational companies. This is the paradox of nationalism in a capitalist context. You are conflating nationalism with isolationism which, in a capitalist society, is an oxymoron. Capitalism is dependent on a global market. It always has been, and always will be. To get back to you calling Hitler a Socialist, that doesn't make any sense. I mean just look at Henry Ford for example. Ford loved the fascism and there is absolutely no way he could be called a socialist as he is clearly a capitalist, hence the ford company. There is a lot of stuff wrong with what you said and it stems from a basic lack of understanding of both capitalism, socialism, and really anything related to politics/history. Our modern world (capitalism) was built on 'globalism' (colonialism, slavery, taking wealth in the form of natural resources from other countries, etc....). I am aware that you are going to reject everything I have claimed and call it lies. These are facts, plain and simple. I encourage you to hit me with anything to try and prove me wrong and say that Nazism is socialism or left-wing because I will disprove all of your claims as they are based in fantasy. Also, Liberalism/Neoliberalism is not a left-wing ideology. Socialism (which is a catch all term, including things like communism and anarchism [libertarian socialism]) is anti-liberalism as liberalism a variant of capitalism. Lastly, it is important to realize that socialism is not marxism. Marxism is a sub-category under the big tent of socialism. Therefore, not all socialists are marxists. The reason why I include this breakdown is because this is crucial to understand. You clearly have a 2 dimensional view of politics. There is a difference between economics and authoritarianism. Left-wingers and Capitalists can be (and have been) authoritarian in theory Left-wingers and Capitalists can also be libertarian in theory. There is a whole world of left-wing ideology that branched off and vehemently opposes the form of authoritarian socialism (which, generally speaking, is Marxist-Leninism) that you are familiar with. You cannot break history up into stages that are independent of one another. History is an ongoing thing that builds on from what happened before. You arrive at erroneous conclusions (like those you stated) when you break history up into separate entities. In order to understand where we are today, where we were yesterday, where we were 100 years ago, or even where we were 1000 years ago, you have to look at what came before.
Edit: Forgot to say that I, just like you, think that these PC liberals are batshit crazy. They are liberals who are centrists who do not understand anything about what is going on in the world. To put it into context, I am a socialist by the way. Real left-wingers have been calling out this PC shit before you right-wingers started calling it out. Real left-wingers have been critical of the MSM and pop culture before you right-wingers started calling it out. In fact, the Frankfurt School which you right-wingers claims created this PC cultural marxism crap, were actually vehemently opposed to the very things you claim they are spreading. Do your self a favor and actually go and read some left-wing literature so you can properly understand this. You have to do this in order to learn. You cannot read one side, you have to read both. It is impossible to be against something if you do not understand the very basic principles of the thing you are advocating against. Use your brain and do some thinking for yourself.
@@DZ-hh5dw"fascism is a specific brand of authoritarianism that is specifically based on race." No its not... How did you come to that conclusion?
Joe Rogan is an absolute powerhouse. Physically, mentally, and civically. Very encouraging to see a platform handled in a manner that cannot be silenced giving voices to those who otherwise would be.
This guy is the second best guy from UK after Hitch. Ofcourse, nobody can replace Hitch.
Tommy Robinson is for sure the best man in Britain at the moment. He is trying his best to save the country.
CaptainRidley One of the most idiotic statements I've ever read on the internet, congrats
CaptainRidley "actual knowledge", as opposed to virtual knowledge? You're hilarious.
+CaptainRidley: "large vocabulary". So KNOWLEDGE?
+CaptainRidley Let me guess, he just happens to have a lack of knowledge about the things you disagreed with him about? Fuck off mate, thanks for the laugh
I love Douglas Murray. He depresses the hell out of me though.
Cool
Because the truth often hurts.
Douglas Murray spot on as usual, balanced , informative, intelligent, engaging and hard for any sane person to be offended by.
Edward Donnachie - Have you watched and listened to all of his talks and presentations?
Academics or the Intelligentsia, quite sane, most of them, tend to see him as an ignorant, prejudiced 'wanker'. Seemingly a bit miffed the Brits no longer own most of the world.
@@miketomlin6040 Name a couple who are not regarded as wankers themselves.
@@peterm1240 A couple of what?
He is just another lefty that refuses to acknowledge the truth that we can't all get along.
Joe needs to get this guy on to discuss his latest book 'The Madness of Crowds'.
Strinden Doar he put a new interview out recently on American politics
He was on again in last couple days
Hilarious that Joe thinks being "far left" is "way better" than "far right." I think we have enough information to know they are indistinguishable from one another in their levels of shittiness.
Amen
One advocates for the rights of minorities and the poor and the other advocates for genocide of those groups. But okay, can you explain to me why you think they're the same?
@Ben B. Seems pretty clear you have a fundamental misunderstanding of it yourself. You can get both left and right wing authoritarianism. Seen so many right wingers trying to rewrite both history and political theory lately. Where are you getting this information from?
@Ben B. Claiming nazis were socialists is like saying the dprk is democratic.
@Ben B. "I hope you wake up to the idiocy that is your "belief" systems." if only you were intelligent enough to understand the irony of that statement
First time seeing DM - not only articulate, but sees things clearly in the first place. Good discussion.
Douglas Murray is a really smart guy.
How Murray can keep going when so often defamed by closed-minded idiots, I don't know. But I am very glad he exists and has his courage.
He gets death threats and has even had police visits to tell him they have credible intelligence of a danger to his life.
We are headed to civil unrest because our politicians won't listen, look at what they're doing to Brexit. There's a lot wrong in the west.
Yet those same politicians keep getting elected...🤧🤧🤧🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Their goal is to cause civil unrest.
The West is a great place to live. There might be things wrong, but it's the best place to live and the best era to live in.
@@dianeaustin2414 BY THE MEDIA THAT THEIR PUPPET MASTERS OWN.
Have ( read ) both the death of Europe and now halfway through the madness of crowds, a beacon of sanity in todays chaos. Great interview lets have him back joe
"It's probably better that they're extremely left-leaning than right-leaning" - entirely possible, but the only reason everyone says this is because they've been told as much by those people, which is a bit of a conflict of interest.
They attribute far right to Nazis such as to suggest there's this thing where if you favor free trade, social conservatism, nuclear families and small government, 3 inches deeper than that is an ethnostate enforced with genocide in work camps. To me this is an insane leap and a very dishonest one. Probably if you're "very far right" then maybe you want to cut funding to public schools and social programs but it certainly doesn't mean you're wearing a brown shirt and throwing bricks through Jewish owned stores.
I kept passing up anything with this guy Murray since I didn't know who he was, but what a brilliant take on the Corona and political issues on his newer sit down with Joe. I searched this older one just to hear more.
Is the radical left far better than the radical right? I think it's beginning to lose the moral high ground here. The death of free speech is its own fascism.
I would say the radical left is larger, more deranged and more dangerous than the radical right at this current time. It's not difficult to understand the far right... religious conservatism, racism, nationalism, patriotism etc. are all easy concepts to understand but the far left are bat-shit crazy hypocritical fools. Makes no sense.
@@toby9999the far left is just as easy to understand. They fall in line with the exact opposite of all the right wing values you listed. The far right were essentially puritanical fanatics but that's shifted to the left and they have become exactly what they hate. It's all projection. Secular puritans based completely in their own self-righteousness.
@Aaron Hawley I couldn't agree more. When you take an all knowing deity behind the ideology pushing its agenda any secular values no matter how asinine they seem, they just don't pose the same threat that history books are filled with by God fearing mass murdering zealots.
Giovanni Gentile who innovated the idea of fascism considered himself on the left. Mussolini, the first person to try and implement fascism on any scale was a socialist.
At least in America, some of the core tenets of the right wing is federalism and individual rights, which are directly contradictory to nationalism or socialism.
No nation isn't nationalist and most 1st world nations are socialistic, so using these terms as disparagements are vacuous statements. However, they have little if anything relatable to the American right wing and point by point very closely resemble the modern American left wing.
Left and right wing definitions are so abused to be meaningless anymore. I go by the political compass which has a strict definition and places fascism as authoritarian center. The more meaningful spectrum is between authoritarian and libertarian. The problem with the Nazis wasn't nationalism, socialism, or racism. The problem with the Nazis is they committed genocide. They were authoritarian. Fascism is militant national socialism, the militant part is the problem.
@@shadfurman The right extreme is Corporatism, and the left, Statism. They're equally elitist and corruptible, and authoritarianism-dependent. That's why libertarians are so centrist.
I goddamn love Douglas Murray.
Rico Rain are you Irish
Rico Rain yep agree. Thats what murray would say too.
Revoltingsheeple do you people just make things up? Christ how do you sleep and night plastering the internet with slander like that
Revoltingsheeple never have a read such a huge pile of shit you are a clown
you're pretty funny. reza aslan funny
The far left is like Stalin ,
tell me again how it’s better than the far right
Both the far left and the so called "far right" are for big government, whoever is for big government isn't "right wing" by the American tradition, a far right winger would be for anarchy, a real "conservative" tries to conserve liberty and freedom which would be considered right wing.
I really don't like the way so many people use the term "far Right." I mean, what they're calling far Right is Nazis. Oh, you mean the people who hated capitalism, hated big box retailers (no, really. They hated shopping malls, and retail chains), believed in eating whole grains, vegetarianism (because eating meat somehow promoted capitalism), organic farming, were early pioneers of environmentalism, and believed in the welfare state? Yeah, that sounds really far Right, man! The only reason people say this is they were racist, blood-and-soil types who wanted to exterminate an entire race of people. That's what they call far Right. Then, it was the Jews they wanted to exterminate. Now, it's...I dunno...white people?... Oh, but anti-Semitism is back in fashion now. I forgot...
What so many people don't think about is that far-Right would be anarchism, or the utopian vision of anarcho-capitalism, with no government at all, which really has no chance of happening. (Oh, but anarchists could say, "It's never been tried." Ha!)
@@mmille10 you make a good point. We have a far right, and far left in this country, but they both get blown out of proportion when people compare it to Stalin and Hitler. Just because a politician is socialist trying to reign in capitalism, or a religious fundamentalist who acts like a dictator, does not mean we'll fall into madness of the 1930's/1940's. People use these arguments because they're too attached to their beliefs and want to demonize the other side. We have a well established system of checks and balances that will keep us the best in the world.
Or like the national socialist workers party... or nazi party for those who dont know what the name of the party was... who were socialist, like bernie is today sure not right wing
the far right historically would do all those things. mccarthy witch hunts. and they'd accuse people of immorality, impropriety, deviancy, even satanism. there's no use pretending the rabid left came out of thin air. it's the easiest thing in the world to see the problems on the other side of the fence.
Never EVER give up your RIGHTS!! Give the looney left aka control freaks an inch they take a mile!!!