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The intro in the first episode literally explains his motivation for why he gave the apple to humans, it literally recontextualises the garden of eden story from lucifers perspective and says that he gave the fruit of the tree of knowledge because he wanted to share the wonder of free will but in doing so introduced the possibility of sin and thus hell.
His version from the series from this point of view and position is very reminiscent of the Greek Titan Prometheus. Heaven can then be considered as Olympus, and the Angels as Gods who rejected his ideas, and those that concern people, and just as Prometheus stole fire, so Lucifer allowed People to eat the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge, and was punished forever for it, just as Prometheus was chained to a rock where an eagle pecked at his liver, so Lucifer was sent to Hell, if you think of it as a local version of Tartarus. And just as Pandora, who opened the box with the misfortunes and misfortunes of mankind, so Eve, having tasted the fruit, allowed evil to spread throughout the Earth.
@@MarkMark-lx6glthere is a reference to this at the beginning of More Than Anything
He also says again in this episode i gave them free will and look what they did with it. It wasn't temptation into evil in his mind he wanted to give the gift of free will. But instead of 100% puppies and sunshine he got bad action too 🤷🏻♀️ i feel like its clear enough when you really listen and pay attention
@@emelyhoeferits also clear when you've seen the show and reactions multiple times. Cut them some slack. Its not that serious.
Nerdy, they explain Lucifer’s fall and motivations in the literally first 3 minutes of the show. Please go back and rewatch it. I think you missed it because you were so caught up in it not being what you expected, you didn’t listen to what they were saying
Nerdy I get you get a lot of criticism and people dog-piling you that is over the line. But THIS is what frustrates people. When you think things are plot holes or bad writing and they aren't you are just missing stuff. Often because you are talking over the explanation to complain something doesn’t make sense.
Like I am fine with you having alternate interpretations or reactions, but when you are so hyper-focused on tiny details or lines that you miss the actual text or themes, it just comes across like you aren’t actually paying attention
THAT is why people complain about your nitpicks or say you don’t give stuff a chance
How many times have you watched the show and reactions to it compared to their one time? You didnt understand everything the first time so get over it.
@@pamelawilliams3144 this is the second time I’ve watched it. Once alone and once with them. And yes I did remember the information that is directly spoken to the audience in the first 3 minutes
I think you're so hung up on the intro being the "biblical" story you missed the fact it's not, it's a play on that story but it isn't literally the biblical story. That intro told you exactly why Lucifer is like this. He's a disaffected and disillusioned idealist who had his dreams crushed by Heaven's rigidity. He "gave" mankind the ability of self determination, but was cast into hell for doing so and in the thousands of years since he's only ever been allowed to see the absolute worst that humanity has done with that gift of free will he gave them. He sunk into crippling depression and anxiety as a result of that trauma which is why he's become a recluse as shown by the start of this. The only thing that can break him out of that self isolation is the love he has for his daughter.
The intro in E1 is the set up of the show and explains pretty much everything we've seen up to this point.
It's almost impressive how these two manage to miss the whole premise of the show, despite being spoonfed exposition in the first damn episode.
@@dirac_dydx1830its also impressive that they've only seen this once, where as most of the people commenting, like yourself, have no doubt seen part if not all of the episodes multiple times, reactions included, so cut the asshole act. Give them a break, its not that serious.
@@pamelawilliams3144 This fandom can be so frustrating sometimes. People are extremely bloodthirsty in the comment sections for this series.
@@withxoutxlife Not really, people are just pointing out that something they brought up was just something they missed in E1. Blood thirsty would be the Attack on Titan things where the fandom literally sent them death threats for not liking it.
@withxoutxlife i mean 80 percent of people are just trying to give them information and the rest are a little bit aggressive so.
So, here is what we get from Lucifer so far in the show.
Lucifer has always been well-intentioned. As the intro put it, he was a dreamer. So, he gave humans free will through the apple. However, not only was Lucifer punished for this by being banished to hell, but he only saw the worst of humans. He has only faced disappointment from seeing the worst of humanity. So, by the time we've seen him, he's a broken person. He seems to be a largely hands off ruler and is deeply insecure, which is why he immediately lashes out against Alastor.
The intro isn't "The Biblical Story" of how sin started. The intro is "How I met Your Mother". Its the cute story parents tell their kids.
More thought out, I generally don’t understand their thoughts here. We don’t have many episodes, I think it’s clear Hazbin hotel has a lot going on and it’s completely fine not to understand all of it straight away.
It’s not like it’s a film where you are expected to understand everything by the time you have finished watching??
Just because things about the world have not been explained to you does not mean it’s not really been thought out?
It usually means that it’ll be explained later on in the series or even in the next season? I feel like this is obvious?
Most tv shows are like this? Not dumping the audience with loads and loads of information and letting it come in naturally is a good thing.
The first scene of the show explicity says that Lucifer's intentions when giving the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge to Eve were actually good. He and Lilith wanted to share the same freedom they had with humanity, but that brought the consequence of giving humans the ability to sin, tainting them with evil. Lucifer was punished by Heaven by being casted into the same hole that was created by his actions and forced to only see the bad his gift brought to humanity. This led him to spiral into a depression that only got worse when he and Lilith separated, which caused his relationship with Charlie to get strained, with Lucifer developing a fixation for ducks in order to cope with all that. Being punished by Heaven also caused a great deal of trauma to Lucifer to the point he didn't want Charlie to have her dreams crushed the same way his were crushed.
This show is to Biblical mythology what Disney's Hercules was to Greek mythology.
they thought he was being childish for the duck when even he says depressed and it's no wonder shut has gone down for him
1 he was thrown out of paradise into hell
2 he watched humans basically waste the gift he was punished for giving them
3 his wife left who got the ball rolling for the above points
4 his wife took his kid and based on the flashback was the one bright spot
5 he thinks his kid either hates him or find him annoying based on the fact she never calls
His life sucks at the start of episode
It ends at a good spot they both realized that the other loved them and they weren't calling as to not bother the other they called lucifer a joke character but he's not there is whole character arc here
Ps his kinda manic over the top behavior is caused by him bottling every thing up he's almost at the point of insanity once he let's it all out he's much calmer and less excitable
Charlie said that Lucifer wanted to share the magic of free will with humanity in the first episode.
22:00 - oh Nerdy, i think you're being impatient about the worldbuilding not answering your questions. the show has only done 5 eps and you expect all this exposition all right out the gate. the problem with that is that if you focus too much on World Building and Exposition, there's gonna be no room for the characters, nor the FUN that is needed to get the show where it is. One Piece does a lot of World Building but it was spread out over 1000+ eps, Hazbin has only 8 eps in the first season, you're not getting a lot of World Building or Exposition in that time. not mad, just try to enjoy what there is rather than fret about structure, the foundation has only begun to be built.
Man wants to know everything immediately instead of learning. There's gonna be a season 2 too so. There's gonna be things explained later. Like no show explains EVERYTHING in the first episode.
Funnily enough, all the doubts they had at the front of the episode will be answered pretty soon
Did Nerdy forgor the show's intro about Lucifer teptimng humanity?
i think it's because ep 1 was not their favorite episode so they kinda remember only lucifer giving apple to eve which brought darkness and sin but not the part where charlie mentioned that it was actually with good intention in this version of story. i often forget things that happened in my least favorite ep so i kinda get why but wish they see the comments or rewarch the first 2 minutes of ep 1
I think you might want to rewatch episode one, because it actually tell you why Lucifer gave the apple. He fell in love with Lilith after she ran away from the Garden, so he gave the Apple - Free Will - as a gift to humanity out of basically his love for them.
And then he was punished for this act by being cast down into hell, being left to only see the people who abused his gift of free will and damned themselves with it.
Lucifer's story was told in ep. 1. Lucifer is described as a creative type that was seen as dangerously radical by the other angels. He fell for Lilith because she refused to submit to Adam, no corruption on his part. They gave Eve the apple because they wanted to give humanity free will. The creation of sin was an accident that he was punished for by being trapped in Hell. Forced to deal with only the worst of humanity for all eternity, Lucifer just gave up and refuses to see the potential good in humans
To answer the question as to why there wasn't an establishment of rules with Lucifer and wondering what he does. In the intro sequence of the first episode it heavily implies that Lucifer doesn't do anything to actually rule hell, that it was Lilith who took up actually running the whole system because she felt empowered in hell while Lucifer became withdrawn and lost any hope he had.
Also you'll probably enjoy the next episode for getting some answers you're looking for.
Edit: Also also to the point at the end about the experience of binging it versus episode by episode is very true, the series was essentially released in 2 episode blocks, 1 and 2, 3 and 4, 5 and 6, 7 and 8, and the structure of the episodes, imo, felt like it was built around that experience. So obviously doing reactions to each individual episode is going to give a different experience to that to a degree.
I don't know much about the lore of the show, so can't comment on the actual intentions. But the way I interpret the premise is that it's a conversation of whether redemption is possible once you've already been damned - hence Adam's hell is a forever stance vs Charlie's redemption stance. If you've been sentenced to eternal damnation, you'd probably eventually give into the depravity of hell, regardless of what you did to end up there. So to me, it doesn't actually matter how anyone got to hell, because it's not about whether or not they deserve to be there, it's about whether they can improve once they are there. Even if it starts with smaller insignificant moments vs a grand plan to save hell's souls. Similar to some of the moral questioning in The Good Place.
Exactly! While it’s interesting to learn about their full backstory, being in hell is essentially a “new life” and whether they choose to give in to hell’s norms or work on redemption is what this whole show is about (mostly). Their past life was basically wiped away the second they died because they were “reborn” (?) in hell. The only real insight it would give is their character design. Falling from the sky in hell is kind of a reset button lol
We saw Lucifer being the dreaming idealist in the first episode, for which he was sentenced to only see the worst of humanity.
And then his wife left him and took the kid.
This episode highlighted that he was depressed and had been inadvertently isolating himself.
The rubber ducks is a symptom in the form of hyperfixation.
The final song told us that Lucifer used to be just as idealistic as Charlie and have tried redeeming sinners too, but was repeatedly beaten down and was forced to give up.
The only thing he has left is Charlie, and he really doesn't want her to suffer the same defeat as he did
i enjoy your reaction and commentary but i think you kinda misinterpreted the intro story as 100 percent biblical story when it's not
in the intro,they mentioned lucifer as a dreamer whose idea was judged as dangerous by the elder angels of heaven. then lucifer gave an apple to eve with good intention wishing that they get free will but it's like pandora and prometheus story. while they get free will eating apple brought evil and darkness to humanity and earth so he was cast down to hell
14:50 This is explained in the beginning! I hope they respond to people telling them this. People have explained in the comments so I won’t go into it.
But it’s a bit annoying to see him question something and not think to check if this was explained.
It kinda breaks my brain. Like it was explained but they focus on complaining and questioning very clearly stated facts.
This show is meant to have its own spin on the original story of the bible, this is not the "biblical" lucifer but rather a different interpretation of lucifer who is caring and wanted humans to have free will, but it just so happened that free will caused evil to take hold in earth. Lucifer didnt mean for evil to find its way into the human realm, but he still was punished by heaven and was banished to hell, forever to see the awful things that come out of humanity because of his actions. Something i do wish was explored more in the show itself is how and why the hotel residents ended up in hell, but that has been explored in q and a's and comics from before the show was green lit.
I feel like the show has done a good job at portraying Lucifer as a "bringer of light" archetype; Promethean. He gave freewill to mankind as a gift. This is, in this telling and perspective, a positive benevolent action. Like Prometheus gifting fire to mankind. In Episode 1 say that that act created evil and Hell where he an Lilith were cast. Since immediately stuck in Hell, the show tells us that he became depressed and disillusioned because from his gift, Lucifer could only witness the sins of mankind, and not the good of freewill.
Charlie wasn’t born on earth. You guys need to rewatch the first episode, specifically the beginning sequence. It’ll answer most of your questions
4:00 - "that's Lucifer?? is he okay?"
Lucifer: "ohh i'm just peachy, i get sent to the butthole of the Astral Plain for helping Humans attain Free Will, my efforts caused 99% of Humans to be Sinners, my Wife left me 8 years ago and until recently, i thought my Daughter hated my guts. but hey, she dont! so... Silver Lining!"
I know right and they thought he was being childish for the duck when even he says depressed and it's no wonder shut has gone down for him
1 he was thrown out of paradise into hell
2 he watched humans basically waste the gift he was punished for giving them
3 his wife left who got the ball rolling for the above points
4 his wife took his kid and based on the flashback was the one bright spot
5 he thinks his kid either hates him or find him annoying based on the fact she never calls
His life sucks at the start of episode
It ends at a good spot they both realized that the other loved them and they weren't calling as to not bother the other they called lucifer a joke character but he's not there is whole character arc here
Ps his kinda manic over the top behavior is caused by him bottling every thing up he's almost at the point of insanity once he let's it all out he's much calmer and less excitable
oh no. he's so far sidetracked that ep6 is only going to confuse him more.
lmao sad but true
Its because they ignored the intro it explains the whole show
30:00 - in the intro there was no God, it was a group of Angels rather than a singular being, i think you should keep that in mind.
That`s actually probably closer to the original Hebrew Bible before the Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Anatolians, Sumerians, Ethiopians and Romans edited and translated everything.
Judaism didn`t become full-on monotheists over night after the exile from Canaan and Babylon, it was a long and torturous process of revisions of the faith!Even moreso before the first elements of what became the seeds of Christianity and Islam grew.
To answer your question this version of Lucifer is playing on the "Prometheean Rebel" because the angels of this universe didn't give humanity free will and Lucifer s big idea was that he wanted to give them free will hence the bit with the apple.
As has been said rewatch the opening of the pilot. It's probably because you're not binging it. With also not seeing helluva boss and the extra tangential stuff. But watch the opening of ep 1 and maybe less importantly the start of the youtube pilot. His stories of the beauty of heaven before humanity is what Charlie grew up on, but also in that it mentioned that as part of his punishment he was only ever allowed to see the sinners and the negative consequences of his actions never the good which kind of broke him eventually. It's implied that's why Lilith took Charlie and left. Possibly feeding her the idea that he didn't want to see her and his depression keeping him from reaching out, the isolation adding to his depression. But as the song goes in it becomes clear she's reawakening that part of him that had hope in humanity but he's afraid to open back up.
I don’t think Lucifer is really all that in charge. Lucifer is mainly sad of being cast out of Heaven, feeling like the ugly duckling but in this case different from the beautiful Swans that made him leave. I do believe that made his obsession with duckies. It was Lilith that thrived in Hell as it was said in episode 1. With Charlie’s Dad in a state of depression and Charlie’s Mom no where to be found, the princess feels responsible to help her people from absolutely being erased, seeming that Angels are able to do that. The Reason that this is done is because of the overpopulation in Hell, Angels feel like killing about of them every year will help this but she wants to show them that there is good in her people and to allow them to be redeemed and go to Heaven since they got the space available.
I think just like the art is so much that you’ll miss the details is same as missing the answers to your questions. I do think the way you live your life dictates your life after death, many choose to live the lifestyles in Hell. As for Adam, he was privileged as the first soul in Heaven, really doesn’t matter if he was good or not.
I also don’t know whether there is a god but then again this is someone’s story and in their story there might not be.
I do think this is supposed to be an audience guessing game as what’s to happen before it does. It’s what draws people to its adventure, so maybe your questions just haven’t been answered yet or maybe you need to start predicting what will happen.
Love the reaction and the review from you too!! Keep it coming!
The sinner demons (virtually everybody in this particular series beside charlie and lucifer) can only PERMANENTLY die again when struck down with angelic steel. Otherwise, they respawn/regenerate/whatever to the form they arrived in hell with.
Razzle and Dazzle were in all but 2 episodes, you're not looking hard enough. Spoilers below.
Hazbin Hotel pilot
01. They accompany Charlie to her meeting at the 666 News Studio, eating donuts until Charlie begins to sing. Razzle plays piano as they both sing and help Charlie during her song.
Hazbin Hotel Season 1
"Overture"
02. They briefly appear in Alastor's commercial for the Hazbin Hotel, helping clean. It is unknown whether they regularly clean the hotel or only did so for the commercial.
"Scrambled Eggs"
03. They help Charlie hang the banner congratulating Sir Pentious on his first week at the Hotel.
"Dad Beat Dad"
04. They hang another banner as the hotel prepares for Lucifer's arrival. Lucifer greets them immediately after KeeKee, commenting on how they haven't grown and telling them they better have kept Charlie safe. They are later seen flying away above the bar, and Razzle briefly appears in Hell's Greatest Dad as Lucifer sings "usually I charge a sacrificial lamb".
"Hello Rosie!"
05. The pair comfort Charlie while she is crying in bed, with Dazzle holding a box of tissues. Though initially passive when Alastor arrives, after he asks Charlie to make a deal, they growl at him and Charlie stops them. When Charlie accepts the deal, the resulting explosion knocks Razzle away and throws Dazzle behind the couch.
"The Show Must Go On"
06. After Adam vaporizes Sir Pentious, Charlie calls down Razzle and Dazzle and she begins to transform into her full demon form, then Razzle and Dazzle transform into their own as well. In their demonic forms, Razzle is ridden by Charlie while Dazzle by Vaggie. As they charge at Adam and Lute in the sky, Lute slices Dazzle's wing off, causing him to plummet into the hotel, where she impales him. Meanwhile, Adam knocks Charlie off Razzle.
07. When the new Hazbin Hotel is built, a statue resembling the full demonic form of Dazzle is added at the hotel entrance in tribute to Dazzle's sacrifice. Razzle can be seen flying beside the statue in his normal form.
I just now realized that Sir Pentious' name is a serpent pun and felt the need to share it with the community
They explaining Lucy giving the apple to Eve in episode 1.
Well it makes sense that Lucifer would be depressed given the storyline. I mean the other Angels dashed his dreams, exiled him to only ever see the evil of humans, his wife that he loves has been missing for 7 years and his daughter rarely talks to him.......
It's an interesting take on Lucifer, someone who just wanted to help in his own way by giving humans free will and then he was punished to only ever see the people who do the worst things with his gift. No wonder he's got depression.
14:40 - People forget Lucifer was just an angel. They so often portray Lucifer as the manifestation of pure evil, but he's not really that, he's just a misguided angel that falls from Heaven after making a choice God doesn't like.
Charlie's a naive, sheltered optimist whose idea of what 'good behaviour' is seems to be a mishmash of her parents stories, stuff other people in hell think is what got them there and summer camp team building... and you're surprised her plans for 'redeeming sinners' are confused and don't seem to make sense if you think about them?
She's just like Wander from Wander-over-Yonder and Jack Skellington from The Nightmare Before Christmas.
Nighty grabbed onto a concept in the first 5 minutes of episode 1 and never let it go. He does this with everything. The show will never be good in his eyes till this one concept is resolved.
He's so dogged when he latches on.
more like misinterpreted the intro story as 100 percent biblically accurate even if it is actually not and he's been saying this for nearly 6 episodes during the season. not trying to be rude to him though
No one is forcing you to watch. So get over it or move on
@pamelawilliams3144 if you replied that to me i didn't write this comment to blame the reactors on this video i just wanted to give rhem advice. but ngl people need to chill a little bit
@@pamelawilliams3144 I hope my comment covers for nightly more than put him down. I feel like if we understand where he’s coming from, people will be less annoyed
The lucifer in the show differs in some ways from "Biblical" version.
Here in Hazbin he gave Eve the apple because he and Lilith wanted to share the gift of free will with her and rest of humanity. He never had evil or ill intent in this act. But because of him evil found its way to earth.
And Lucifer is the king of hell. And he is the most powerful being in hell. So all the other Sins bow to Lucifer.
But despite this he is a sad and broken angel who has only seen the negative after effect of his action of giving free will to humanity.
The show is not just about redemption, but that doesn’t become apparent until the next episode.
Heaven in Hazbin is not the Heaven we know and Hell is not the Hell we know. It’s all much more complicated than that and separating myth from fact is a large part of the overarching series.
Tbh, I’m sort of confused as to why you think you would get all the answers right away. Imagine if The Good Place revealed in ep 1 that they’re actually in Hell.
The reason why the extermination is such a big deal (beside the obvious large scale of it) is that sinners do not die when they're killed by anyone other than the exorcists angels. Hellborn do die for real if they die, but not sinners, not the former humans. So the loan sharks who died last episode are still alive. And then again after this episode. That's also why Charlie isn't as concerned about the people Alastor just killed compared to those the exorcists kill, they're not really dead.
we are actually told why lucifer gave humanity the apple in episode 1: we are told he was a dreamer with 'big ideas' and wanted to uplift humanity with the apple(the apple specifically gave nowledge and free will to humanity, or something, rememebr) after he fell in love with lilith. He only acts like this NOW because he beleives what he did was a mistake and that humans have wasted his gift of knowledge after spending millenia in hell seeing ONLY the sinners who benefitied from his gift.
as for why this guy is in charge of hell: that's admittedly less clear, as to how much he actually runs hell and isn't just defacto ruler because he's powerful. however it is said he didn't CHOOSE to rule hell, he was thrown into it as punishment for what he did.
Nerdy I have never heard a religious person make that argument
Which argument?
The lack of Jeremy Jordan praise disappoints me
Love the reaction and I kind of get Nerdy's frustration but honestly, I really love that we didn't get all the information about Alastor and Lucifer this episode, keeps things interesting.
That delayed gratification is gonna be SO Sweet!
Also, I think the Best way to think about this show is like a puzzle. Every episode you get a new piece of lore and sometimes you think it means something but then you get a new part and it turns out completely differently.
Also Also things are not as they seem!
Like for example, in the first episode when you get the creation of hell story, that is from Charlie's parents' point of view. Who knows if it's really the truth!
Just take everything with a grain of salt and keep gathering more lore in ya brain. When we finally get the bigger picture it will be awesome!
You saw lucifer does he seem like someone manipulative even in the bible the apple gave us free will so let me ask you is free will good
The first episode explains extremely well what Lucifer did and why he did it. You should rewatch the intro
17:20 The structure of Hell is explained more in the Spin-off Helluva Boss
14:47 there was this bit WAAAY back in the first few moments of the show...
I do love both of you reacting to “Heeey bitch” from Lucifer. It’s basically when I fell in love with him. I hope you go back and rewatch the show too, there are answers to a bunch of your questions that you probably missed. It’s hard to fault you for it though, you’re reacting and discussing the show while watching so it’s so easy to miss details
Dude, I think you need to go back and watch episode one agian, because clearly you didn't retain ANY OF IT. This lucifer is not your traditional biblical lucifer. He gave us the apple to give us free will. And out of that free will, evil came into being. . .
Literally that is the biblical Lucifer... ^^
Another way to view the story of this show is the commentary it’s making on class systems, and how I interpreted it, thru wealth inequality. While it’s very fantastical on the surface with themes of good vs evil and redemption of those that want to be better people, you could also draw parallels from the perspective of the “have’s” and the “have not’s”. When a “have not” (a “sinner” from hell, depending on whatever the catch-all definition of that is from being a queer person or someone who actually committed a horrible act while alive) wants to be “redeemed” and become a “have” (live in Heaven), it seems to follow a similar path of those who are poor and want to become rich, or at least not as poor anymore so they’re not worried about basic survival. Even when a nepo baby like Charlie tries to do the right thing to use what power she has to help others out of the bad situations they’re in and better their lives, she’s laughed out of the room by most because she’s daring to go against the status quo and shake up the current systems in place. There can be no one on top of the pyramid (in Heaven) if majority of those are not at the bottom as the foundation (in Hell).
A lot of those in power in Heaven, like Adam, think they are morally superior to those in Hell just like a lot of those that are wealthy have a similar superiority complex when it comes to those that are less fortunate than them and think the rules of being a decent person don’t apply to them. Why would those individuals do anything to disrupt a system they are currently benefitting from? That’s why Charlie faces so much opposition, because being a good person and doing the right thing, regardless of your personal background or status in the hierarchy of things, unfortunately does not go with the flow of how the systems Heaven and Hell currently operate from what we know so far.
This world and a lot of its inhabitants seem to operate from a mindset of “for me to be more, you have to be less”. Charlie questioning that by trying to change things by helping people and giving them a leg up into Heaven ruffles the feathers of those in Heaven, like Adam, that clearly want the sinners and other inhabitants of Hell to “know their proper place”. If things were truly fair, a lot of sinners would be redeemed and earn a place in Heaven, or at least not face the threat of possible extermination every year, and even angels like Adam would be re-evaluated and condemned to Hell.
That unfairness, which is very similar to wealth inequality, and the resistance to righting that wrong is the very thing this show wants us to question. Why complicate things by standing in the way of someone genuinely wanting to better themselves and the situation they’re in? Because if they get more, people like Adam will think what they have in status will be less because there’s no way they would accept being on the same level as a sinner, redeemed or not.
Anyway, just my two cents and how I interpreted things, but it’s food for thought and some things to think about, especially going into the next episode. Love your reactions and hope you enjoy the rest of the show ❤ And if anyone took the time to read this wall of text, I appreciate it and hope you have a wonderful day 😁
Minzie entrance is an inside joke for Vivzipop fan, she’s a character she had in her pocket for a long time and fans were wondering when she would introduce her.
I`m glad ya noticed the Weird Al accordion. Vivienne originally imagined Weird Al Yankovic as Lucifer`s VA but couldn`t afford him so she cast Jeremy Jordan instead and put the accordion in as a reference to that initial plan of hers.
9:30 - eh, i'm not so sure that Alastor is the "Bad Guy", if anything it seems like he just really wants to get out of the bind he's in and he's betting that if anybody can get him out of it, the King of Hell's daughter would be the most likely capable of doing so.
You can only die certain ways while you're already dead. Otherwise people would happily choose oblivion over hell by killing themselves. It's not really spelled out in the series, with the closest being a throw away line in episode ..2? when we meet the V's about the star model getting killed and the shoot being over 'by the time she pulled herself back together'.
Like other takes on the creation story, Lucifer thought he was doing humanity a favor by giving them the gift of knowledge. Like the first episode said, he was cast into the pits of Hell so that he only got to see the evil his actions brought to the world as his punishment, and it worked. He became a depressed recluse instead of a charismatic leader who could unite Hell to war against Heaven.
If your only take from the show is “we have funny demon characters in this funny demon show” then you have missed every point made in 5(6) episodes.
Also “why” these people are in hell literally doesn’t matter. They have ended up in hell because they’re “bad” people. Period. The “point” of the show is they no longer wish to be bad.
Do you need help? Is someone forcing you to watch?
Literally :,)
It's kinda wild that's the only takeaway that they have. And I've noticed a couple reactors all focus way too much on why each and every character is in Hell when that truly isn't the point and isn't too important. At least not for now.
I'm really curious to see if episode 6 will help Nerdy feel better about the world, or if it'll make him more frustrated. It's could go either way.
You guys should watch Helluva Boss to help understand a bit more of the world around Hazbin Hotel. A lot of people who was following Hazbin Hotel from the start ended up watching Helluva Boss as we waited for the show to release, and it expends a lot more on the demons and sinners, the rings of hell, the hierarchy in it, and so on. It would take a lot of screen time to explain all that, and a lot of fans already know it from Helluva Boss and their page on-line.
Most of the sinners believe that they truly deserve to be in Hell. And the final proof of this is that they have ended up in Hell after dying. QED. That's why they laugh at Charlie's attempt to redeem them; they know in their heart that they are where they belong ()for good or bad reasons). You could call it an act of self-actualisation (especially as they take on inhuman forms that do seem related to their previous lives). It doesn't really matter. You don't need something to judge them and send them there, and in fact there is evidence in the pilot that this is the case. ["I'm alive! " for one.] Humans do tend to be prone to doubting their self worth. Which does explain why Adam easily made it into Heaven. If that dude ever reflected on anything he did in his life it was only to contemplate how great he was.
Re-watch the first episode. It's clearly not the Biblical version even though it takes from it.
I mean the Biblical Lucifer is practically non-existent and he is totally nonexistent in the original Hebrew texts. He was a later Greco-Roman insertion as an allegory for a Babylonian king who oppressed the Israelites and was later misinterpreted by Early Christian editors and poets as another name for Satan or The Devil. Most modern Christians and theologians by the way now admit that even Biblically speaking those two characters are most likely not the same fallen angel.
About the part about Lucifer being "responsible" for the downfall of humanity, in the show, it is implied in the conversation between Lucifer and Charlie, just before the Loan Sharks show up, as well as in the intro in episode 1, is that what Lucifer did, at least in his eyes was using the apple to just give humanity free will, to free them to pursue their own ideas and desires, but that allegedly "released" humans to be horribke people, as he says himself.
But the next episodes touch a little more on that.
You need to get through ep 6 and your questions will be answered Nerdy…you just gotta watch it and not dissect it to hard until all has been revealed in the season
Dying in hell is only permanent from angelic steel
For sinner demons only.
The next episode will hopefully answer a lot of your questions, after all, Charlie is going to visit Heaven
Duckies! Fire breathing, even!
Yeah I think you really hit it on the head mentioning the difficulty of taking this show week by week. It's frustrating for people who really love the show because we're sitting here thinking "oh you're missing so much of the context which they literally gave you in episode one" but like for you that was so long ago that unless this was literally the only show you were watching it'd be impossible for you to remember the details.
regarding nerdy's griping about why noone talks about their lives on earth and what they did to get sent t hell: they're in hell. They just know they're in hell, and thus what their lives were like before doesn't actually matter anymore to them, because as far as they're concerned that's it. They're stuck here. The majority of the sinners see this as an oppurtinity to stop holding back, to be as depraved and violent and psychotic and perveted as they want because it's hell and noone cares anymore. Why be a better person when you now you're in hell? And why think about what you had before, why even talk about it? THe majority of the cast have actually spent more time in hell than they did on earth (angel dust for example died in the 1930's) so why should they care anymore now?
This show is basically following the old phrase 'hell is other people', and part of that is the apathy of knowing you're in hell and thus you have been punished.
Really enjoying the reactions and different thoughts on the show between the both of you.
The show takes it's time with answers but they do hint a lot at things through it's characters and world as the show goes on. This episode probably being the first where we start to have some idea of a bigger picture/larger plot.
That being said I do think the setting/lore takes more of a step back over its characters.
In this universe, Satan and Lucifer are not the same person.
And in the original religion and mythology, they are not the same. Lucifer was used in Judah as a term for Babylonian and other foreign kings, who, in the opinion of the monotheistic Jews, were sinful idolaters, and before the name came into the Hebrew dialect, Lucifer was originally a character in Roman Mythology, and in general, the portrayal of him in the series as a good light-bearing dreamer coincides with the Roman one, with the addition of a version with a snake and a forbidden fruit, and Satan was never portrayed as an enemy of God for the time being, but on the contrary, was his servant, the one who, on his orders, corrupts people, and is the accuser at the Heavenly Court. So in the series, the separation of both these characters is really not something new, but very interesting. Showing one as a misunderstood chaotic neutral, and the other as an wrathful chaotic evil, and it remains to be seen what his specific position is in the Hellaverse franchise.
that's trueof real life too. People jsut conflate the two due to pop culture.
most interpreations show Satan as the demon that represents the sin of Wrath
@@sarafontanini7051 They are also different in Christian Demonology, only Satan is presented there as the Sin of Lies. I don't know if a lie can be considered a real sin, or just a deed with two sides, both a lie for evil and a lie for salvation.
Alastor was actually inspired by Annie the musical.
Can i just say that someone looking at a clearly neurodivergent and mentally ill person's behavior and calling them an infant was very upsetting to me....
Yeah, it was very rude and hurtful honestly.
I'm so glad other people had the same issue. Going off what is just obviously stated in the show (because these two can't pick up subtext) they're calling someome struggling in life with depression among other things an infant....? Super weird take.
About why people go to hell a lot is hard to say but when it comes to Angel I have some thoughts with one thing added by twitter and creator streams.
Angel gets a lot of joy from violence for violence sake and even if he is protecting someone he often takes it too far or chose before considering any no violent options.
As for his backstory not yet confirmed in the show, he supposedly was born into a violent crime family on earth and took part I the family business.
I agree with Nerdy that the world building in show is shaky. The world building has definitely been done, but my most consistent critique is the extent to which the world is built outside of the shows. Though I don't think they're right on Luci. He's a well intentioned person whose well intentions burned him deeply and he's been watching the worst result of it for millennia. Other side though I really like that Lucifer is played by Jeremy Jordan who I only so far really know from Supergirl.
When you die and go to hell you take a form that you hate or ironic of how you died. Husk looks like a cat because he hates cats.
And he has wings, perhaps because his cause of death was a fall from a great height. Or, it would even be funny, birds.
Angel is a spider because he was part of a mafia family, ie he lived in a web of crime. His sister is an Easter egg in the next ep and she’s a spider too! Alastor is a deer because he was mistaken for a deer (while burying a body in the woods) and he was fatally shot by a hunter.
nerdy, have some patience. You are literally questioning things that have been either answered later or mentioned. It's only episode 5, big bro, we'll get back to lucifer and more.
The show started with the biblical information with a bit of a twist. Lucifer is a dreamer. He wanted to share free will with humanity because he could envision all the great things humans can do with it. The apple had consequences. Thus his fall from Heaven. He's still an angel fallen or not. He's still a curious dreamer just severely traumatized and depressed. Lilith is the real ruler of hell as she thrived when they fell together whereas Lucifer lost his will to dream. Hell is his prison while it's Home to Charlie and maybe even Lilith. He's depressed and separated from his wife. The only thing he has is Charlie and is scared to lose her too. So he keeps her the way they have been as he's unsure if she wants him around as she never reaches out to him and only reaches out to her when he has excuses when he really wants to connect with her. Lucifer tried to do good, failed, and given up while Charlie is like a younger Lucifer who can still see the good in Sinners.
Speaking of Redemption, Charlie spends the start of this episode freaking out over the hotel and why things aren't working. She doesn't know what she's doing wrong to redeem Angel and Pentious. Episode 6 should give SOME clarity on things.
S2 will give insight of why these characters are in hell. It's very...unfortunate that we only have 8 episodes as this series has literally 10+ years of lore we don't get to see. Just us long time fans can pick up from what we know, but leaves a lot of newbies/first time watchers with many unanswered questions.
Such as death. Sinners can kill other Sinners but it's not permanent. They "respawn" slow and painfully as it's apart of their enteral damnation. They only die permanently during exterminations. That's not stated in the show whatsoever and makes you question why they would even fear death with each other or if they could even die again.
This is all spoiler free. ^^; I realize it's a lot, but you have valid questions and opinions but missed some key info in the previous episodes. Which is bound to happen in a packed season like this.
32:50 - There were christian groups that protested this show and started petitions for Amazon to take it down lol
It's terrible, as they think that by changing the story and position of the characters a little, it has a bad effect and is generally terrible, when the plot carries a good message and teaches goodness and that redemption is possible. I understand their religion and belief that this is kind of an insult. But that means they haven't seen or watched works like Supernatural, Lucifer, Prophecy, Legion, DevilMan, Hellsing, and Hellboy.
Probably my biggest complaint about the show is that it's written assuming you've paid attention to all the meta info released by Vivsie explaining the lore. Which is just bad writing; a show should be able to stand on its own and not require the audience to perform hours of research to understand what the fuck is going on.
One of the best examples of this is the whole "dying in hell". There is literally NO explanation in the show about what happens when someone "dies" in hell, nor do they mention being "erased" when being killed by angelic steel.
I love this show to death, but they really dropped the ball on explaining some of the lore so people who don't follow Vivsie on all social media platforms know how this world works.
I never watched anything related to this show nor did I have any meta knowledge about anything outside of the show going into watching it and I was still easily able to follow along… seems more like a skill issue if you can’t.
Sirpentious mentioned in the first 5 minutes that he literally battled him last week then u look back and alastor destroyed him in pilot
The pilot was always said to be soft cannon which imo means unless something directly contradicts something its real
Also up to this point anyone who has died are u important so who cares if they comeback until that happens they can just show us
Also I never paid attention to vivsies stuff I still knew that you wanna know why I read the comments on UA-cam vids if they did as well they would know the lore and they'd stop on all that bull on lucifer I mean they must need to be told instead of shown because it showed a lot about him and motives (oh wait they ignore it when they're told lol)
Not really. You learn how it works throughout the show these two are just braindead.
I'm not trying to be mean with my commnts, for the record, jsut trying to offer perspectives that may help in understanding the show's direction, at leats in my understanding and acceptance of it c:
Also you WILL get your answer
It all depends on how you lived and how you died. I.e., Angel Dust was apart of the mob, hence why he's a spider demon because of the web of crime he was involved in.
I’ve seen many reactions to Hazbin Hotel and I appreciate hearing critical commentary because it’s rare with reaction videos. And I see where Nerdy’s coming from.
looking for logic where logic is not there its chaos and personal choice.
Can’t wait for you guys to see the next episode to answer some of these questions you bring up in this reaction.
guys pls pls keep reacting to interview with the vampire, season 2 just started airing 🙏🏼🙏🏼
I mean, if you ever want to chat seriously about the theology and Christian mythology elements of this (or anything else) hit me up
I literally teach this stuff, and have a daughter named Lilith
Why is Vaggie in hell indeed? Seems strange. If only the show would address that...
The next episode clarifies this.
@@MarkMark-lx6gllook up "sarcasm" guy
@@MarkMark-lx6gl My bad, dude. Should have put a /s next to that comment.
Will say this, the show is interested in Redemption, but season 1 does only lightly touch it… but we get some elements of what it takes to to be redeemed, but i think you will be pleasantly surprised.
The back stories to the main cast weren't important to the overall story much like del's back story in the green mile. I get that you want the "show" to show you this information but it won't, you have to do your own research with the songs found across UA-cam. These songs were small stories of the characters that we were given until the show finally came out 5 years later.
1:00 - i think "oh fuck" and "i feel really bad for Angel Dust" is the best response anyone can give to seeing that. it just hits you and then you realize "THAT is why Angel Dust is so outta control, because that's how he deals with the ironic HELL he has to go through on a regular basis."
Cant wait for next episode when all of Nerdy's complaints get answered as a big reveal
The apple was free will in this version of the story.
Charlie was born in Hell but she`s not a full demon but half fallen angel and half humanborn demon.
i can not f***ing wait for you guys to see the next episode this is great !
7:39 finally someone else who's heard of the dirty rotten scoundrels musical.
Hell resident can die but will regenerate in bad way (feel all the pain cause hell). True death only happens if killed by angelic weapons
Which is a cool concept, if only they explained and/or showed that in the show early on. Which they didn't.
I shouldn't have to read a Wiki article to understand how a show's world works on a basic level.
The greatest showman song you're looking for is called rewrite the stars
These two will shit on and complain about how bad this show is but they sure wont let their brains absorb any information they're given so they can understand it instead of asking questions that are obvious and/or have been answered
I love these reactions because even tho they have very different opinions, both bring up very interesting points
Free will
You guys should stop reacting to tv shows because u clearly dont pay attention the intro explains the premise of the entire fucking story
Lucifer didnt trick eve he gave it to eve because he was idealistic his dreams were then trashed by heaven he saw only the worst of humanity and slowly became a total shut in did you not watch the images of their song it shows a lot of his motivation
Also lucifer isnt a terrible dad u cant read between lines
(He only calls when hes bored or wants me to do something) then his reaction to chatlies call implys he actually wants to talk to her implying that he believes he would be a nuisance to charlie
Ps lucifer isnt a joke character
i mean that's too far. i think some of criticism they have is valid but yes they misinterpreted lucifer completely because of forgetting the intro of ep 1 since it is their least favorite episode. i think we should give them another chance to redeem themselves(lol it is somehow related to the show's theme) and maybe understand this series a little bit.
Please get a life. You're too upset over an animated show. Its not that serious. No one is forcing you to watch them.
@@user-gm5of3vr1b they're over half in and all there current questions have been pretty much answered
The one in every video is about redemption and how they're gonna do that and charlie clearly doesn't really have a plan which implying she doesn't know and it's a pipe dream
2 in this they tons of questions about lucifer everything you need to know is in intro or this
1 lucifer was an idealistic dreamer wishing to gift humanity with free will and for that him and his new bride were thrown in hell
In this he was shut up in his room creating ducks because he's bored and depressed
2 According to charlie , he only calls when he's bored and wants her to do something , but when she called him , he is super excited to hear From her due to the fact that she never calls and hasn't in years He took it to mean that she just doesn't want to talk to him Or that she's busy He doesn't call because he thinks she's busy and doesn't want to bother her. So it does not have good relationship Her
3 His wife left him
Although he's explained a lot about his personality, he's been bottling everything in to the point of practically insanity.
And in the 8 years since his divorce, his life is gone down a hill so pretty much for his entire time. In hell he's had to watch the people he gifted. Free will with which was wasted is and squander then his wife left and took his daughter with her, which is the only one bright spot. It's no wonder he's kind of a shut in. Though I don't know where they got childish from.
@@user-gm5of3vr1b I'm not saying don't react to movies but tv shows require you to remember things that happen in previous episodes everything they asked about was answered in past episodes they just need to be able to contextualize things and take inference
But what criticism was valid
@@user-gm5of3vr1byou are rigjt
Dude, if meeting Lucifer didn't help you understand why hell is like it is and the shows structure, it's not a writing problem. It's a media literacy problem. Get over you hang up with a LITERAL depiction of biblical shit and pay attention to the characters. Or stop.
Is someone forcing you to watch them? Do you need help?
100%
Media literacy is dead and I miss it so badly. I've noticed a lot of people get hung up on thinking this is supposed to be 1:1 to the Bible and shit but it clearly isn't.