How Good are Fraymakers' Assists? (Tester Build)
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2022
- Assists have been a major focal point of Fraymakers, but that just leaves the question, which assists are good, and which assists need some help? I decided to go through all of them to see who truly comes out on top!
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I completely forgot Peppino was going to be one of the assists. He looks phenomenal.
funny pizza man :)
Given Pizza Tower’s release, and how big Peppino’s moveset there is, and how several of the games fighters double as assists, I’m hoping Peppino eventually becomes a full fledged fighter. He’s got lots of potential!
Fellow tester here, Tankman being that low feels weird. He's basically a knowledge check assist where if you know your character's best setup into him, you get to delete a stock or two for free each match. I don't use him much since I prefer using the OTHER instakill assist in this game (Kid main represent), but I know people have already found consistent setups into him and that's terrifying.
Likewise, I don't think Kragg or Rhythm Doctor are that good. Kragg tries to do a lot of things, but ends up being really easy to play around, and Rhythm Doctor requires a lot of setup for a frankly mediocre reward - that spiking hitbox just isn't strong enough to justify the work needed to land it offstage. I'd rank them both pretty low myself and hope to see some buffs for them soon.
Right now I wouldn't rank CommanderVideo above anyone since projectiles aren't really relevant currently, but if they ever add a character who's basically just projectiles I could see him being a decent counterpick.
Tankman is fair, but with competition like Kid, i still personally don't think he's that good. Admittedly, I'm not sure how much the setups are affected by DI, so if it's truly just "guaranteed lose a stock every time he's up" the 1-2 extra stocks he can steal will be nice. Whether he's worth being triple the cost of a lot of other assists though, i really don't think so.
Rhythm Doctor i could definitely see being lower, I value it's versatility (and i probably should have mentioned it's disruption potential, since once you hit it it will always interrupt the opponent again), but I can definitely see it not being that desirable. With how weak recovery can be in this game, i wouldn't count it out personally, though.
Maybe with more time i'll change on Kragg, but I value it's versatility quite a bit. For onstage interactions it's certainly not that good, but adding a recovery mixup that also doubles as a niche kill setup i think tends to be worth it.
Commander Video I probably should have put lower, initially he actually WAS my worst character, but with how easy it was to keep him up (and how valuable he can be against Orcane's setups), i felt that for the one matchup he's good in he deserved to at least be higher. I probably should have just left him on the fence of the two bottom tiers, though.
well, the power of these assists is yet to be determined, considering their niche use will be nullified by the fact that there will be potentially infinite characters due to the power of *_GOOD WORKSHOP SUPPORT_*
And they’ll all probably be mega unbalanced lol
@@MrSkerpentine the balance of the characters is not the point
the point is that these niche assists will EVENTUALLY have a use
The power of these assists is yet to be determined, because the game is only in tester build where there are still huge changes to balance happening. We’re not even in public early access yet and you’re talking about how workshop characters will mess with assist balance? Lol
There can be characters that are litterally made in workshop around an assist
Ronald McDonald
Sees Niko last
*Sad Niko fan noises*
It's ok. I'll still use them because I'm still happy to see them in the game
I'm a simple man, I see Niko Oneshot I click
Agreed
Agreed
Agreed
Agreed, but for Chicory.
Agreed
For those in the comments, While i still stand by my reasoning, I have heard a decent devil's advocate position for Niko.
Niko's attack buff is actually quite significant, meaning that if you can get a setup, a lot of moves will start killing around 60% or so. Also, Niko's damage buff actually applies to their charge, meaning they're the only assist in the game that can charge themself.
I still do personally stand by the fact that I think the fact they only really work while you're already winning is a dealbreaker, but don't feel discouraged to try them out if you want!
How much do you think Niko's issues would be improved by getting armor against low damage/knockback attacks like jabs while within the area of effect?
@@zzuxon That would definitely be interesting, and probably bump it up a few tiers for me. Honestly, I really just think even if there was something basic like an initial hit it would go a long way.
Again, my main issue is that even the worst assists like Orcane create new situations that can sway the game in your favor. Anything that would let Niko change the course of the match other than just "you kill earlier" would go a long way.
I'm just Biased towards Niko lol.
They should make Nikos buff aura into a ticking flash bomb instead that kills at higher percents... Yknow, a "one-shot" assist
Hey, tankman would be SUPER cool if there was some little animation with the tank's nose raising up super fast, knocking grounded enemies into the supposed big shot. That would DEFINITELY put it up to par with these other assists.
Can't wait for fray to come out ugh the anticipation is killing me 😭
Omg pizza being op is so funny
I don’t care how bad they are, I’m just glad that Niko is here.
Same
Same
Same
It's fun to think how these assists could work with Smash Bros characters. For instance, I think Little Mac could benefit greatly from Veridian's assist.
So as a Mac main, I feel like it could help, depending just how far horizontally it takes him. Me personally, I think Kragg's assist could be better option as it restores jump and side b if burned and lets you reposition, with added benefit of being able to actually edgeguard using his smash attacks/tilts. Either way assists would 100% help him and could even bump him up a tier.
I have a great idea for an assist, a Fall Guy. When summoned, the Fall Guy will run forward, when it makes contact with an opponent the Fall Guy will grab them and hold them in place, allowing for free follow ups. Not sure how expensive it would be, an unblockable grab that holds an opponent in place sounds really good, maybe 120%?
we're gonna see some awesome "up smash almost kills, use veridian, go up there and hit them" clips
Kragg can also do that, but probably slower. People might use kragg more though, so the clips would probably be with him
Im getting flashbacks from Kragg combos where someone scoops up the enemy from the bottom of the stage all the way to the top then kill with down smash
very excited for this game, assists being a core component are a nice little twist on the platform fighter genre
although niko needs buffs cause :)))
Hope a workshop mod comes out and a new assist is added in the form of "Niko with a gun"
niko's assist should be shattering the orb and deleting the entire game from your computer
I can’t believe my baby boi is trash ):
Nah, keep em low skilled, its funnier. And plus its cannon tbh
@@nickmcnally7808 same
FU-
what if they change nikos area of affect to be a ticking flash bomb that insta-kills at higher percents, almost like a 'one-shot' assist
Well that's what they did with impostor now
As a Fancy Pants loyalist, I think the value he and the other killpower assists bring is more than you might think. I'm not entirely sure about the whole cast since I haven't really played as anyone but Orcane, but the killpower of most characters doesn't seem terribly impressive. Meanwhile Fancy Pants Man and a few others can take stocks at around 80 if you can set them up properly. It evens out that weakness, at least for some characters.
Great video as always!
As a slay the spire mega fan, kinda happy my girl is op
The kid and diogenes are definitively bringing the feel of their games tô your oponent i can easily see people raging on them
pizza my beloved
Pizza :D
I'm quite glad that the main character from my favorite game of all time is the best right now but, yeah seems a bit busted rn
No seriously please play chicory its an amazing game.
I’ve only just started to pay actual atttention to Fraymakers. It took me a whole 30 seconds to realize Kid is the kid from I Wanna Be The Guy, I Wanna Kill The Guy, that series.
I think that niko could be a good tool for certain combos if people lab them out enough, but i do agree they are a kind of the winners win more kind of assist. maybe they could give them an additional effect such as opponents also rack up percent if they spend time in it, but just percent and not stun like fox lazer. that way niko could also be used as and area denial tool as well to force opponents away from parts of the stage
I mean now that the frayvitational happened we can see the broken powers of certain assists thank god they nerfed pizza tho
Hell naw what they done to my [anonymous gender affiliated term] Niko
just happy that they’re here tho, not enough references of OneShot anymore
i love RoA and kragg is my 2nd fav character so im glad to see him rlly high up
I haven't seen that bard in ages...
The bard :)
I genuinely did not know the guy from Downwell had a name until Fraymakers
Incredible video
I'm gonna say that assist should fill niche and a lot of the lower tier ones seem like they could be broken with specific setups or characters
wielder deserves to be busted. they earned that power
I believe Fancy Pants is a huge waste of potential honestly. He and his games are known for style, flow, and... fanciness. Yet here he's just a guy that slashes once.
Personally, I can see his charging spin attack being a good replacement. He stands still just for a moment to charge, then rolls forward, bouncing on enemies it hits, until he either touches the ground, or falls offstage. Maybe you can even control him by hitting him.
I wanna know how the character creator will look and work
wow I love the slay the spire jazz
Silly of you to think I'd choose assists for functionality instead of choosing them because I like the character
now how do we get niko from last to first
Yoooo is that Pizza from Chicory a Colorful tale????
I really hope Pizza becomes a playable character and not just an assist.
I do find your opinions of some of these entertaining.
Fancy Pants: You can just edge guard yourself.
Bard: You can edge guard with this and it is a positive.
You're building a lot of opinions on a very early build with limited experience and a limited player pool. For example an easy to wiff poison attack that might do 30% is definitely powerful... when no one knows how to read it. It is like Little Mac's KO Punch or Cloud's Finishing Touch.
first off, that's kind of the point? a lot of this is subject to change, but it's interesting to see how things are at this stage. things will get nerfed or changed, and none of this will really reflect the final build.
Also, the difference between Bard and Fancy pants is that Fancy pants *exclusively* helps you with edgeguarding. which isn't bad, but that's really all he does, and it's not great on it's own. With bard, it's an assist that basically does everything mediocre, so yes it CAN edgeguard, but it also makes you safer, allows you to play offstage, extends combos, and even guarantees a hit in situations you would otherwise miss.
it's not that edgeguarding isn't a positive, it's just that it's a very small one when compared to the assists that play the game for you.
also, while it's fair that the Silent you can play around, two things:
1. it's not just 30%, it deals more damage every time you hit the opponent after. you will very frequently get 100+% off of this assist.
2. Finishing touch is frame 12. Little Mac's KO punch is frame 9. Silent is frame 2. there are plenty of situations to make a read and get this move off.
so cool
Now that we’ve hit early access, where would you put the Among Us imposter on this list?
tankman is iconic
11:01 thats how the getting over dude is called?
Yall already know Peppino the Goat
NICO IS IN HERE???
Instant buy
Last 2 were insane they def need to nerf them
captain viridian is epic
i think you rated apple boy and hammer dude too high but pretty accurate otherwise
Nuu what did they do to Niko. My favorite kiddo. Maybe Niko needs to give reduced hit speed and speed boost or massive regeneration. Niko isn't canonically someone who would give more damage unless we go to the Molotov side.
I was gonna say where is ape but then I realized it wasn't out yet
When I get this game, I am going to ONLY use the bard, (wandersong is THE BEST game ever made, im right your wrong.) BUT IM SO SAD HE ISNT ONE OF THE FIGHTERSSS
Niko from oneshot?!?!
Niko from oneshot!!!!
Zetta is Fraymakers is coming to switch
Will Silent and Lea from crosscode only be assists?
As of right now, yes. With additional characters in the roster, this could change, however. The Watcher from Slay the Spire is planned as a full character, so at least there is an StS rep!
@@Zetta330 thank you for the clarification. Lea Silent and Brad Armstrong were my most anticipated characters and have been searching for confirmation if they are planned fighters. The game still looks great and will definitely support it just very dissapointed for now. Ya STS is my fav rogue like so happy to see Watcher but I'm a Silent fan. Just the idea of a hard to pull off Grand finale move just sounds so perfect!
i personally thing fancy pants is one the best assists. but thats just me tho
Can't fucking believe that once again the character (assist) I want to play day one is the busted one
Idc, I will be still using Niko because I can
The rock from Rock of Ages would be very funny
RHYTHM DOCTOR IN TOP 10 LETS GO INTERN SWEEEEEEEEEP
I think Pizza Paint Dog Smeargle Ripoff Esquire's paint should either go away after 1 or 2 hits, do damage while you stand in it but no knockback or anything, or cover a very small area
Don't insult the game Chicory like that. It's a banger game
@@isaacvogel4117 I know, I didn't mean to, sorry. I considered apologizing but it ruined the flow of the comment. Ripoff sounds too mean, I guess, I just meant "is similar in concept of 'paintbrush dog'". I could have just went with "pizza paint dog" or "pizza paint dog esquire". What does esquire mean anyway?
Idk, Fraymakers can only get better from here.
The bard actually fits his character. He doesn't hurt/kill which i really like
I will still use Niko regardless
Im mad and disappointed that peppino is not a playable character
A
Orcane is the only zoner this game has crap
My opinions on each of the assists
19. I mean the potential for this one is there. It was just not executed perfectly.
18. I think you're better off playing as Orcane rather than using him as an assist.
17. I think it's either just a matter of using other sword-based assists or using this assist whenever the opportunity arises.
16. This assist singlehandedly makes me want to see a game mode where each assist's charge meter is halved, allowing them to be used more often. He's probably better off in Friday Night Funkin' if that doesn't help him be more useful in Fraymakers. In the meantime, I think there should be 3 alternate versions of Tankman where he shoots out 3, 5 and 9 bullets instead of one. I think this would make him worth the meter fill.
15. I would have to agree with you. Once there are more ladder attacks, this assist would be more devastating.
14. I think this should be multidirectional. Depending on which direction you pick, Fancy Pants will swing his pencil at a different angle.
13. I think there's also another drawback of CommanderVideo's assist. It only protects him from projectiles in front of him. This means players will have to attack from behind CommanderVideo.
12. Honestly, this one could also benefit from the halved assist meter game mode mentioned in 16. It could make him more devastating. I wonder what a Bard/Tankman duo would look like.
11. I think the mechanic could help fool mess up some edge guarding strategies. If you haven't already used your up special or your double jump ahead of time, Viridian might be a bit nasty.
10. This assist wants me to see 2 different assist-based game mode. One where your assist is spawned behind you and one where 2 identical versions of your assist is spawned both in front and behind of you. I think this assist might benefit from that.
9. I swear I'm not intentionally trying to make a trend out of game modes and modifiers, but I see a modifier where this assist is duplicated 3 to 5 times. By itself, it's a simple meteor attack. In a team of 3 to 5, it could turn into some insane combos. This assist could also benefit from the game mode mentioned in 16.
8. Same as 9.
7. I don't think the Kid needs to be any more devastating than it already is... OK. Maybe if it was faster, it would be more devastating.
6. I find him to be one of the more decent characters. Sure, he could benefit from 16's idea, but other than that, he's just a simple and wholesome A-tier assist
5. It's as good as it was in Rivals. What can I say? The only way to make Kragg better is if he was an actual playable character.
4. I see this wholesome A-tier assist benefitting from 10's idea but being too cheap if paired with 16's idea.
3. Same as 10.
2. I think if every player uses this assist, the match balances out and the assist will be less broken. Even with all that, I think this assist should be worth as much as 16.
1. Same as 2 and 10.
Even if the developers of Fraymakers patch each character and assist, the fans are likely going to make it so that it'd feel like you're playing the early access builds. This game is about infinite replayablility, so it wouldn't be too out of the ordinary to see the fans making them as broken as they once were. Who knows, though? Maybe they'll end up making an assist somehow more broken than all 19 current assists combined.
First
the rivals rep is one of the most annoying fighters in that game
orcane haters gang.
can you remake the video withour ur voice???