My only critique of this video (super late and probably will not be seen lmao) is that you're forgetting a very important aspect: Touka and Nemu are extremely sheltered children. Yes, all Magical Girls are girls, but most MGs are 14-19 (eldest being Livia and Isabeau, who are each 20s-30s, but very much outliers). Touka and Nemu are 10-11. They're also prodigies, which you might think would make them more sensible, but I would argue that their status as "child prodigies" made them unable to think ahead. Its common for children to overestimate their own intelligence and abilities, and it's common for prodigies/"geniuses" to overestimate their own abilities and intelligence, as well as thinking they are more important/valuable/simply above everyone else. Touka and Nemu did not have the life experience to realize that they could fail, so they assumed that they wouldn't. The reason Ui and Iroha are able to function as Touka and Nemu's morality chain is because they showed Touka and Nemu that there's more to life than just being the smartest person in the room. Without the Tamaki sisters, Touka and Nemu only remember the relationships they had with adults--doctors, teachers, adult family members, many of which they were smarter than. Basically, the reason Touka and Nemu are evil is because they're children who didn't realize that they're not the most special, important, smartest, competent, and valuable people in the world. They still obviously struggle with that way of thinking--they still think that, as magical girls, they are more important than non-magical girls (they just decided that they, themselves, are not better than other magical girls). Also, at least in the NA version, Touka and Nemu specifically tried to overrule the judgement system to kill themselves, because, once again, they thought that they knew what everyone else wanted and needed. ETA: Also, the reason they're outwardly evil is because they honestly think that no matter what, they're right, and if they're right, people will fall in line. And then, if they don't, they're confident that they can handle any resistance. Again, child prodigy overconfidence. Beyond that, they think they're the most important people, and everyone else is just an NPC who can be manipulated and controlled. Why should they care what some NPCs think? Also, Kyubey did not accept Madoka's no. He spent all 12 episodes saying "become a magical girl! Oh, you don't want to? Okay, that's fine, I'll come back later. :3" He spent the whole time he knew her pressuring her into agreeing. He didn't force her to make a wish, true, but he did not let her say no. He manipulated everyone around her to make her want to make a wish--influencing Sayaka to lash out, telling Madoka that only she could save Sayaka, pushing Kyouko into killing herself so that Madoka would be guilted into becoming a Magical Girl. He even said during his explanation of entropy "when you feel like dying for the universe, let me know." That both puts the responsibility of the universe on Madoka (pressuring her to make a wish) and guilts her for saying no ("if you don't do this, it will be all your fault the universe is destroyed" (which, before anyone says anything, is not true. Madoka's power would be a great boon, it's not like she's the only girl who can be contracted. And the scale the Kyubey's are working on is literal millennia. The Earth would crumble to dust before entropy ends the universe. They have literally all the time in the world.)
As for actual discussion one thing I would like to pose is that I think that making the character more multifaceted and less "evil" (trademark) would have been in line with the original series. The grayness of PMMM was one of the huge selling points that made it probably my favorite series of all time.
Erm... Konomi is old in terms of age... She is already nearing expiry date like Yachiyo and Mifuyu. The best time to start is 11 (5th grade) and younger girls have higher power and more stamina.
I get how Alina loses her morals and patience,but it's never really explained why Touka and Nemu lose theirs,especially Nemu because (Spoiler if u haven't read her personal story) she literally watches a member of magius get killed in a witch labyrinth
actually I make the point in the video that Touka loses her morals and patience because she grows frustrated and angry when problems arise and she immediately allows those emotions to make her make terrible decisions and to be completely honest, I dont think Touka ever had good morals at all, at most she has a selection of a handful of people she cares about but toward any stranger she ranges from indifferent to hostile
Touka is completely understandable to have 0 morals towards people outside her personal circle. I'm not saying she is right to do so, but we can see where her selfishness comes from. But i totally miss where Nemu lost her morality as well. I always saw Nemu as the less destructive of the 3 Magius, and thought that her morality could prevent the other 2 sociopaths from going ham on Kamihama, but i guess i understood her wrong or the writers forgot about that. Anyway, Nemu best Magius
@@MatheusSouza-mc7fr I always saw Touka and Alina as egotistical and arrogant while Nemu seemed to be emotionally detached from everyone except a select few, to me she, alongside Mifuyu, was a counterweight for the other two but not due any particular feeling of empathy IMO, she as the coldest and most calculating of the three probably kept the other two centered on the mission in moments when anger and frustration was about to make them act rashly; while a lot credit for the organization goes to Mifuyu without Nemu's authority I think we would had seen a much more violent, less pacient and less effective Wings of Magius.
My interpretation is that Touka was never the nicest person, and to a lesser extent neither was Nemu, but being with Ui helped temper their actions and teach them to consider the feelings of others before acting. With Ui gone, so was that teaching, causing them to revert to how they would have acted. Now they were spending most of their time with Alina, who wasn't the best role model and instead supported their more selfish side causing an echo chamber where their more malicious ideas were reinforced over the alternative.
@@RazAnime Touka makes a lot of morally reprochable actions but I don't think that's enough to claim she has no good morals when her wish and her original plan contradicts that statment by being completely selfless. The writting isn't the best, but I think her character and her actions are complex enough to not make such an absolute claim about her morality. Yeah, Touka is indifferent to hostile to people but she has an open way to win her over. There is a difference between having no kindness and having to earn that kindness. For example, both, Ui and Touka have kindness within them, but while Ui gives it freely, with Touka you have to earn it.
I liked the Wings of Magius and their plan being so heavily flawed as it has shown how truly powerful and alien Kyuubey is. Doesn’t matter how cold you are if you’re still human because you are still capable of understanding human emotion and the context of said emotion. You’d have to be like Kyuubey who is incapable of feeling emotion at all or find a way to work around it like with Madoka’s wish to be able to take on the massive karmic burden of the universe.
Madokami knows that is what I wanted. For Yachiyo to be wrong. And it was almost there! The writing was in the wall! (Yachiyo IS shown multiple times to not always be in the right). Only to peel from the wall and reveal a kinda frustrating black and white plot where the "heroes" could do no wrong. It has so much potential but the execution lacked, especially in the later half. And Iroha...I know she is the prota-chan and by extension had to be de facto intimately related to the big reveal and go around town solving everyone's problems, no questions asked. Mind you, not necesarilly but this is what they went for here. Her relation to the Magius plan seemed to me more like something to make Iroha relevant to the plot at all than anything that would affect the plan itself. It felt really forced at times. What I mean is, the main cast already had a connection to the Magius through Yachiyo and Mifuyu. Mifuyu was the main cause of the Magius not immediately killing Yachiyo from the very beginning, basically their main antagonist. Which I always found odd that none of the Magius could ever call Mifuyu on this (not that they didn't but she always dodged!). Sometimes it was super obvious she was protecting her, even with that random rumor getaway she came up with. But Yachiyo meant nothing to the Magius yet they were throughly convinced by Mifuyu to not stop her every time (I was going to joke it must have been that perfect body but that WAS her actual bargain chip for Alina lol). Mifuyu was such a wasted piece in their plans. Instead of having her being a one woman HR department for their org, imagine instead they have her enlist the help of all veterans (including Yachiyo) and Mitama (I won't say Nanaka bc the plot ends right there with her figuring out a solution in no time) from the beginning of the org and having them all think of a way to use the Magius powers to actually accomplish their main goal? You have multiple young adults keeping the childish geniuses at bay and not just one, without undermining their role at all since they are the ones providing the means to their mutual goal. And of course you can throw some drama, gayness and politics in this scenario. They had all that before Iroha came into the scene. They can make use of Eve somehow too, in the vein they initially intended and nobody would lament Ui since they don't know who that is or who Eve was (same with most witches). Iroha might have all the stubborness of will in the world, but the Magius had the means to make salvation a reality. That wasn't even Iroha's goal at all (only after discovering the truth and only more so after the finale, she took the truth very well). I know in the end it is what it is. It is only frustrating bc some people started acting like retards, children or not, when the plot demanded it.
I like how this all started because Alina was like, "this is probablyyy what we were doing two seconds ago, I dunno I forget, but yes yes, that is probably correct." Also Alina and Touka being a bad influence on each other. Basically, Nemu in particular did nothing wrong. Ignore the Memory Museum. ...I do really like that the Magius don't change too much after they join Iroha. Like they're the same people, just that remembering Ui or not changes how they go about things. So, it's not like "they're suddenly good now you guys"? Which is something I was a little worried about when the arc ended. If they're still as prone to making mistakes now, like in the IroYachi duo event, then that can go a long way to making the heroes less perfect. ...I'm not totally caught up to arc II, but it sounds like that's more or less happened?
Personally I would have liked them to be more in a gray zone. Maybe Iroha might have joined the Magius but in the end the Magius are forced to take more desperate measures because Yachiyo, Kanagi and other megucas are still trying to stop them. Because the Magius are taking this measures that are more villanous (not as bad as mass murder or killing your own followers) Iroha and the rest team up again with Yachiyo and then both sides in a moraly gray zone fight each other. Until the Magius are cornered and release Eve as a last resort to ensure everything they have done is not for nothing. Or maybe just not make them go as far as they did in ch.7 and 8 would be good enough?
Here I was thinking that the Magius were going to force a morality break from the Mikazuki village during the museum chapter using Kyubey like tactics with the next chapter introducing Nemu as someone who had seen behind the courtain. Oh well, the story at least makes enough sense to enjoy.
Here’s a question: what the hell is Mokyu? At first it seems like it’s Uis soul in there, but when her soul is released they don’t change at all. Also, how is Eve both gone and still functioning as a purification system? And Mokyu just comes back at the end? Wuhhhh
@Davide Kirby The problem is that Mokyu's soul is Ui's, which isn't as divisible as an incubators. Once Ui was revived, Mokyu should have reverted to how it was after the Magius's wishes. As far as I'm concerned, duplicating Ui's soul between her normal soul gem, Mokyu, and the remains of Eve should be a massive plot hole. At the very least, Ui should be unable to doppel with Eve out and about because that would effectively result in two copies of Eve, even if you argue that it's possible for a magical girl to separate and act independently from her own witch.
To be fair, as an anime watcher, it was plenty clear that despite her high intelligence, Toukai is super dumb with other people from the very first scene she's introduced. At the end of the day, she's a kid. An extremely talented kid, with heart in the right place, but still a kid who's dealing with system, history, and people more than she's ever met in her whole life being stuck at a hospital, nevermind whatever mindfuck happens from losing both one of her closest friend and losing memories of both that person (who is the one that's keeping everyone together) and her sister, both of whom are her main moral compass being a hyper intelligent girl who has trouble parsing problems that aren't just numbers. For what it's worth, I'm surprised their cult didn't immediately fell apart. That goes to show how much Mifuyu was carrying the group in spite of having the smallest power in the room and being the least confident and driven among them. Honestly, I think that's why Mifuyu and Yachiyo together can be so successful - their personality complement each other well and prevents each others from falling too far into their weak point as a person and magical girls. Probably why they have the longest track record outside of weird cases like Parnelle and Tsubaki that we know little of. Also, I don't trust Kyubey. Kyubey has no honor or even benevolence, just the appearance of so. Suzune Magica shows that Kyubey would cooperate with a girl who wants to torture the girl her nanny saved just because she thinks the nanny died because of said girl and doesn't care about the collateral damage both emotionally and physically (as well for Kyubey, because he's fine so long as the girl's witch is a net positive versus the ones she killed). And Rebellion shows that it will stop at nothing if it means it could get a better system for collecting grief. Quite frankly, I don't trust that Kyubey aren't granting people wishes and letting people be because of some sort of necessity or past experience. Honestly, that's just where Kyubey wins - he has more experience and time to learn to optimize the system in a way that threaten him the least. No one even picks up that he's the real enemy, not until Rebellion where Homura finally puts them in their place. Magius, at least, does have the interest of magical girls, even if they're lead by an idiot magical girl supremacist who doesn't understand why people doesn't want to become magical girl supremacists.
They should have hired Suzune to assassinate Yachiyo... Now thats going to make a lot of messy scenes. I would prefer to say that PMMM is a multiverse. We cannot compare Batman's story to Superman's. They share the same multiverse but hey every hero's cycle may not run the same way.
You've done a good job! But I have some differences of opinion Although the part of the story that you mentioned is really clunky, and I think the quality of the writing team is a bit alarming at times. But there is at least one theory that makes sense: After Touka and Nemu lost their memory of wanting to save their beloved elder sister, they turned their private desires, originally intended as extra gifts, into their main goals, such as ruling the earth, gaining knowledge about the universe, and using the earth as a piece of paper to describe their own stories. And they were once terminally ill patients, may die at any time, so their sense of time and patience, and ordinary people completely different. Therefore, it is understandable that they are too anxious and too quick to overreact. (Again, though, this is just speculation. The author doesn't do a good job of writing this theory directly to convince players.) And in the following activities, they truly regard liberation as the first goal. Of course, this process helps them to regain the favor of their beloved elder sister, and is part of the atonement. Although they are still a little impatient and aggressive, in fact, the level of aggression has been reduced. Among my friends and I, we like to refer to the Tamaki sisters as "external conscience devices" of Touka and Nemu. The presence of the Tamaki sisters has a very good control over the behavior of the Touka and Nemu. Of course, this is also because they are still primary school students and moral education is not entirely related. Not that they are born bad guys.
Man, I just the other day binged all of the Magica series, and I wanted to watch this, but, I feel like I need to stay ignorant for Magica Record season 2. Still giving a like for the hard work.
As mifuyu pointed in the trail , they are just childs and a crazy bitch(Alina) and they need to learn a lot , as has you point in your argues they think they are the smartest ones and the arrogance blind them from trying to achive it from other methods, thats why the story works the way it is , the magius is you saivor, but by not telling them how, theres no other option than the way they think they will achive their goals.
You're ignoring an important contrast between Kyub and the Magius. The Magius are displayed as fascists that often dislike the people they are affecting and Kyubey is an alien with an alien sense of morality in a more altered reality setting that doesn't fully understand the emotional context of his actions. This is to say the Magius aren't supposed to be depicted as sympathetically as Kyubey because you shouldn't reasonably get that actually trying to help the most people as possible is the serious guiding assumption of their moral thinking where as that at least may be the case with Kyubey. The decision to go these are fascist LARPers that only pretend to be logic bros hiding behind a veneer of hatred and viewing people that are different as simply subhuman while running a death cult being the point fits better to understanding them as fascists even if it compromises the ability to treat them as a Kyubey analogue because fascism isn't something you logic you're way into.
My only critique of this video (super late and probably will not be seen lmao) is that you're forgetting a very important aspect: Touka and Nemu are extremely sheltered children. Yes, all Magical Girls are girls, but most MGs are 14-19 (eldest being Livia and Isabeau, who are each 20s-30s, but very much outliers). Touka and Nemu are 10-11. They're also prodigies, which you might think would make them more sensible, but I would argue that their status as "child prodigies" made them unable to think ahead. Its common for children to overestimate their own intelligence and abilities, and it's common for prodigies/"geniuses" to overestimate their own abilities and intelligence, as well as thinking they are more important/valuable/simply above everyone else. Touka and Nemu did not have the life experience to realize that they could fail, so they assumed that they wouldn't. The reason Ui and Iroha are able to function as Touka and Nemu's morality chain is because they showed Touka and Nemu that there's more to life than just being the smartest person in the room. Without the Tamaki sisters, Touka and Nemu only remember the relationships they had with adults--doctors, teachers, adult family members, many of which they were smarter than.
Basically, the reason Touka and Nemu are evil is because they're children who didn't realize that they're not the most special, important, smartest, competent, and valuable people in the world. They still obviously struggle with that way of thinking--they still think that, as magical girls, they are more important than non-magical girls (they just decided that they, themselves, are not better than other magical girls). Also, at least in the NA version, Touka and Nemu specifically tried to overrule the judgement system to kill themselves, because, once again, they thought that they knew what everyone else wanted and needed.
ETA: Also, the reason they're outwardly evil is because they honestly think that no matter what, they're right, and if they're right, people will fall in line. And then, if they don't, they're confident that they can handle any resistance. Again, child prodigy overconfidence. Beyond that, they think they're the most important people, and everyone else is just an NPC who can be manipulated and controlled. Why should they care what some NPCs think?
Also, Kyubey did not accept Madoka's no. He spent all 12 episodes saying "become a magical girl! Oh, you don't want to? Okay, that's fine, I'll come back later. :3" He spent the whole time he knew her pressuring her into agreeing. He didn't force her to make a wish, true, but he did not let her say no. He manipulated everyone around her to make her want to make a wish--influencing Sayaka to lash out, telling Madoka that only she could save Sayaka, pushing Kyouko into killing herself so that Madoka would be guilted into becoming a Magical Girl. He even said during his explanation of entropy "when you feel like dying for the universe, let me know." That both puts the responsibility of the universe on Madoka (pressuring her to make a wish) and guilts her for saying no ("if you don't do this, it will be all your fault the universe is destroyed" (which, before anyone says anything, is not true. Madoka's power would be a great boon, it's not like she's the only girl who can be contracted. And the scale the Kyubey's are working on is literal millennia. The Earth would crumble to dust before entropy ends the universe. They have literally all the time in the world.)
As for actual discussion one thing I would like to pose is that I think that making the character more multifaceted and less "evil" (trademark) would have been in line with the original series. The grayness of PMMM was one of the huge selling points that made it probably my favorite series of all time.
"...the most POWERFUL magical girls in the entire city!...and Konomi."
This man just dissed my girl Konomi! :(
Erm... Konomi is old in terms of age... She is already nearing expiry date like Yachiyo and Mifuyu. The best time to start is 11 (5th grade) and younger girls have higher power and more stamina.
@@toxicalyss Said it like a true incubator. Roberta may say otherwise though.
I get how Alina loses her morals and patience,but it's never really explained why Touka and Nemu lose theirs,especially Nemu because (Spoiler if u haven't read her personal story) she literally watches a member of magius get killed in a witch labyrinth
actually I make the point in the video that Touka loses her morals and patience because she grows frustrated and angry when problems arise and she immediately allows those emotions to make her make terrible decisions and to be completely honest, I dont think Touka ever had good morals at all, at most she has a selection of a handful of people she cares about but toward any stranger she ranges from indifferent to hostile
Touka is completely understandable to have 0 morals towards people outside her personal circle. I'm not saying she is right to do so, but we can see where her selfishness comes from. But i totally miss where Nemu lost her morality as well. I always saw Nemu as the less destructive of the 3 Magius, and thought that her morality could prevent the other 2 sociopaths from going ham on Kamihama, but i guess i understood her wrong or the writers forgot about that. Anyway, Nemu best Magius
@@MatheusSouza-mc7fr I always saw Touka and Alina as egotistical and arrogant while Nemu seemed to be emotionally detached from everyone except a select few, to me she, alongside Mifuyu, was a counterweight for the other two but not due any particular feeling of empathy IMO, she as the coldest and most calculating of the three probably kept the other two centered on the mission in moments when anger and frustration was about to make them act rashly; while a lot credit for the organization goes to Mifuyu without Nemu's authority I think we would had seen a much more violent, less pacient and less effective Wings of Magius.
My interpretation is that Touka was never the nicest person, and to a lesser extent neither was Nemu, but being with Ui helped temper their actions and teach them to consider the feelings of others before acting. With Ui gone, so was that teaching, causing them to revert to how they would have acted. Now they were spending most of their time with Alina, who wasn't the best role model and instead supported their more selfish side causing an echo chamber where their more malicious ideas were reinforced over the alternative.
@@RazAnime Touka makes a lot of morally reprochable actions but I don't think that's enough to claim she has no good morals when her wish and her original plan contradicts that statment by being completely selfless.
The writting isn't the best, but I think her character and her actions are complex enough to not make such an absolute claim about her morality.
Yeah, Touka is indifferent to hostile to people but she has an open way to win her over. There is a difference between having no kindness and having to earn that kindness. For example, both, Ui and Touka have kindness within them, but while Ui gives it freely, with Touka you have to earn it.
I liked the Wings of Magius and their plan being so heavily flawed as it has shown how truly powerful and alien Kyuubey is. Doesn’t matter how cold you are if you’re still human because you are still capable of understanding human emotion and the context of said emotion. You’d have to be like Kyuubey who is incapable of feeling emotion at all or find a way to work around it like with Madoka’s wish to be able to take on the massive karmic burden of the universe.
Madokami knows that is what I wanted. For Yachiyo to be wrong. And it was almost there! The writing was in the wall! (Yachiyo IS shown multiple times to not always be in the right). Only to peel from the wall and reveal a kinda frustrating black and white plot where the "heroes" could do no wrong. It has so much potential but the execution lacked, especially in the later half.
And Iroha...I know she is the prota-chan and by extension had to be de facto intimately related to the big reveal and go around town solving everyone's problems, no questions asked. Mind you, not necesarilly but this is what they went for here. Her relation to the Magius plan seemed to me more like something to make Iroha relevant to the plot at all than anything that would affect the plan itself. It felt really forced at times. What I mean is, the main cast already had a connection to the Magius through Yachiyo and Mifuyu. Mifuyu was the main cause of the Magius not immediately killing Yachiyo from the very beginning, basically their main antagonist. Which I always found odd that none of the Magius could ever call Mifuyu on this (not that they didn't but she always dodged!). Sometimes it was super obvious she was protecting her, even with that random rumor getaway she came up with. But Yachiyo meant nothing to the Magius yet they were throughly convinced by Mifuyu to not stop her every time (I was going to joke it must have been that perfect body but that WAS her actual bargain chip for Alina lol).
Mifuyu was such a wasted piece in their plans. Instead of having her being a one woman HR department for their org, imagine instead they have her enlist the help of all veterans (including Yachiyo) and Mitama (I won't say Nanaka bc the plot ends right there with her figuring out a solution in no time) from the beginning of the org and having them all think of a way to use the Magius powers to actually accomplish their main goal? You have multiple young adults keeping the childish geniuses at bay and not just one, without undermining their role at all since they are the ones providing the means to their mutual goal. And of course you can throw some drama, gayness and politics in this scenario. They had all that before Iroha came into the scene. They can make use of Eve somehow too, in the vein they initially intended and nobody would lament Ui since they don't know who that is or who Eve was (same with most witches).
Iroha might have all the stubborness of will in the world, but the Magius had the means to make salvation a reality. That wasn't even Iroha's goal at all (only after discovering the truth and only more so after the finale, she took the truth very well).
I know in the end it is what it is. It is only frustrating bc some people started acting like retards, children or not, when the plot demanded it.
I like how this all started because Alina was like, "this is probablyyy what we were doing two seconds ago, I dunno I forget, but yes yes, that is probably correct." Also Alina and Touka being a bad influence on each other.
Basically, Nemu in particular did nothing wrong. Ignore the Memory Museum.
...I do really like that the Magius don't change too much after they join Iroha. Like they're the same people, just that remembering Ui or not changes how they go about things. So, it's not like "they're suddenly good now you guys"? Which is something I was a little worried about when the arc ended. If they're still as prone to making mistakes now, like in the IroYachi duo event, then that can go a long way to making the heroes less perfect. ...I'm not totally caught up to arc II, but it sounds like that's more or less happened?
I liked the Magius their story. I sended this to someone else, who kept asking me many questions. I Hope it helps her.
Personally I would have liked them to be more in a gray zone. Maybe Iroha might have joined the Magius but in the end the Magius are forced to take more desperate measures because Yachiyo, Kanagi and other megucas are still trying to stop them. Because the Magius are taking this measures that are more villanous (not as bad as mass murder or killing your own followers) Iroha and the rest team up again with Yachiyo and then both sides in a moraly gray zone fight each other. Until the Magius are cornered and release Eve as a last resort to ensure everything they have done is not for nothing. Or maybe just not make them go as far as they did in ch.7 and 8 would be good enough?
Here I was thinking that the Magius were going to force a morality break from the Mikazuki village during the museum chapter using Kyubey like tactics with the next chapter introducing Nemu as someone who had seen behind the courtain. Oh well, the story at least makes enough sense to enjoy.
This is 20 minutes of proof that Raz should be one of the Magius
Are we sure hes not the 4th one?
@@twelfthsjustice7562 We can never know. Ui was already erased.
Here’s a question: what the hell is Mokyu? At first it seems like it’s Uis soul in there, but when her soul is released they don’t change at all. Also, how is Eve both gone and still functioning as a purification system? And Mokyu just comes back at the end? Wuhhhh
@Davide Kirby The problem is that Mokyu's soul is Ui's, which isn't as divisible as an incubators. Once Ui was revived, Mokyu should have reverted to how it was after the Magius's wishes. As far as I'm concerned, duplicating Ui's soul between her normal soul gem, Mokyu, and the remains of Eve should be a massive plot hole. At the very least, Ui should be unable to doppel with Eve out and about because that would effectively result in two copies of Eve, even if you argue that it's possible for a magical girl to separate and act independently from her own witch.
@@angeldude101 yet ui does doppel in her own event and has a doppel the event is fledgling first flight
As we all know Alina did nothing wrong. She was innocent of all guilt and was just trying to help the world.
Until she went bonkers.
To be fair, as an anime watcher, it was plenty clear that despite her high intelligence, Toukai is super dumb with other people from the very first scene she's introduced. At the end of the day, she's a kid. An extremely talented kid, with heart in the right place, but still a kid who's dealing with system, history, and people more than she's ever met in her whole life being stuck at a hospital, nevermind whatever mindfuck happens from losing both one of her closest friend and losing memories of both that person (who is the one that's keeping everyone together) and her sister, both of whom are her main moral compass being a hyper intelligent girl who has trouble parsing problems that aren't just numbers.
For what it's worth, I'm surprised their cult didn't immediately fell apart. That goes to show how much Mifuyu was carrying the group in spite of having the smallest power in the room and being the least confident and driven among them. Honestly, I think that's why Mifuyu and Yachiyo together can be so successful - their personality complement each other well and prevents each others from falling too far into their weak point as a person and magical girls. Probably why they have the longest track record outside of weird cases like Parnelle and Tsubaki that we know little of.
Also, I don't trust Kyubey. Kyubey has no honor or even benevolence, just the appearance of so. Suzune Magica shows that Kyubey would cooperate with a girl who wants to torture the girl her nanny saved just because she thinks the nanny died because of said girl and doesn't care about the collateral damage both emotionally and physically (as well for Kyubey, because he's fine so long as the girl's witch is a net positive versus the ones she killed). And Rebellion shows that it will stop at nothing if it means it could get a better system for collecting grief. Quite frankly, I don't trust that Kyubey aren't granting people wishes and letting people be because of some sort of necessity or past experience. Honestly, that's just where Kyubey wins - he has more experience and time to learn to optimize the system in a way that threaten him the least. No one even picks up that he's the real enemy, not until Rebellion where Homura finally puts them in their place.
Magius, at least, does have the interest of magical girls, even if they're lead by an idiot magical girl supremacist who doesn't understand why people doesn't want to become magical girl supremacists.
They should have hired Suzune to assassinate Yachiyo... Now thats going to make a lot of messy scenes.
I would prefer to say that PMMM is a multiverse. We cannot compare Batman's story to Superman's. They share the same multiverse but hey every hero's cycle may not run the same way.
Not even that. I consider PMMM to be an omniverse since they managed to break the entire multiverse... _twice._
You've done a good job! But I have some differences of opinion
Although the part of the story that you mentioned is really clunky, and I think the quality of the writing team is a bit alarming at times.
But there is at least one theory that makes sense:
After Touka and Nemu lost their memory of wanting to save their beloved elder sister, they turned their private desires, originally intended as extra gifts, into their main goals, such as ruling the earth, gaining knowledge about the universe, and using the earth as a piece of paper to describe their own stories.
And they were once terminally ill patients, may die at any time, so their sense of time and patience, and ordinary people completely different. Therefore, it is understandable that they are too anxious and too quick to overreact.
(Again, though, this is just speculation. The author doesn't do a good job of writing this theory directly to convince players.)
And in the following activities, they truly regard liberation as the first goal. Of course, this process helps them to regain the favor of their beloved elder sister, and is part of the atonement. Although they are still a little impatient and aggressive, in fact, the level of aggression has been reduced.
Among my friends and I, we like to refer to the Tamaki sisters as "external conscience devices" of Touka and Nemu. The presence of the Tamaki sisters has a very good control over the behavior of the Touka and Nemu. Of course, this is also because they are still primary school students and moral education is not entirely related. Not that they are born bad guys.
Nemu is best Magius. Fight me.
Man, I just the other day binged all of the Magica series, and I wanted to watch this, but, I feel like I need to stay ignorant for Magica Record season 2. Still giving a like for the hard work.
I love idea of a group of humans attempting to thwart Kyubey, only to end up becoming worse than Kyubey himself.
As mifuyu pointed in the trail , they are just childs and a crazy bitch(Alina) and they need to learn a lot , as has you point in your argues they think they are the smartest ones and the arrogance blind them from trying to achive it from other methods, thats why the story works the way it is , the magius is you saivor, but by not telling them how, theres no other option than the way they think they will achive their goals.
Why don’t they just wish for entropy to stop or whatever? 😆
Then what's the point madokami existence ?
So good 🥰
Do u know why Alina has a wardens costume? Did she wish for someone to be imprisond?
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You're ignoring an important contrast between Kyub and the Magius.
The Magius are displayed as fascists that often dislike the people they are affecting and Kyubey is an alien with an alien sense of morality in a more altered reality setting that doesn't fully understand the emotional context of his actions.
This is to say the Magius aren't supposed to be depicted as sympathetically as Kyubey because you shouldn't reasonably get that actually trying to help the most people as possible is the serious guiding assumption of their moral thinking where as that at least may be the case with Kyubey.
The decision to go these are fascist LARPers that only pretend to be logic bros hiding behind a veneer of hatred and viewing people that are different as simply subhuman while running a death cult being the point fits better to understanding them as fascists even if it compromises the ability to treat them as a Kyubey analogue because fascism isn't something you logic you're way into.