Just to be clear; after a lot of research I found that there were just as many icons with the capitol Nu (“N”) as lowercase (“v”). While it may seem odd, there doesn’t seem to be a hard rule- I found uppercase Omega with lowercase Nu and Omicron, and just about every variation thereof. It appears to be at the artists discretion. 🤷♂️
True. Unfortunately, the original video shows the letter as *lower case*. It can be very clearly seen at 16:27 till 16:45. You then covered it up with the ground layer at 16:57, which may be why it didn't "reappear" when you removed the paint in the "repair".
Regarding the "hard rule": The upper case Nu you found isn't upper or lower case at all, it's a "Greek uncial script" (search for that on Google to see what I mean). Whoever did this painting was not using an uncial script (maybe due to a lack of knowledge?), and was writing in actual lower cases.
To correct myself: I think you mostly covered it with fill-in medium only around 17:44. Parts of the nu can last be easily seen shortly before that. There's a hint of it also later, around 23:25, but it's hard to make out from that perspective due to the direction of the lighting.
@@alejocazu6 you are probably right, I could see a faint u shape on the right side. Which could be a v with a curved bottom. You can see it in this video in teh gold foil distress. If you follow the childs (left) eye brow to the right. There is an indication there of a letter by the inversion of movement. but you coudl throw it through some filters ot confirm... anyways.. I complained about many things, and well the blue... bottom right corner.. still isn't to the rendition of the artists, since it has a white border... and a looser style of gentle flicks... almsot like you could guess teh weight and brus hthe person is using. The halo thing is still a thing... lol.. but meh mistke or not... doens't matter... he can do as he pleases.. its still good work.
I think it's just common sense. Nice for sure, but just deontological. Just about being honest with one's self. And everyone should be honest with themselves
Actually this is such a great video because I’ve always wanted to know how you’d remove your own conservation! Great eye everyone, and thanks Julian for showing us!
This mistake was the opportunity to show us something we haven't gotten to see to date: how you can remove the stuff you use in conservation, which was pretty interesting! I don't remember seeing those little letters, either, so great job to those who did!
@@bevakathedementedraccoon I've watched all the old videos but didn't remember him undoing any of his work before. Well, in either case, this was still a good video.
I was about to point out he did show this once before in “Revisiting an Old Friend”. I believe its the video where the cats sat on the painting while the owners were moving lol. Either way I do agree it’s great he made a follow up so new subscribers can see it as we have!
I wish he wasn't blocking negative comments though (in the comment section here). I guess he's ok for "negative stuff" as long as he controls everything that is said? Kinda bad...
@@BartZeroSix I'm not aware that he's deleting negative comments so I can't really comment on that. Then there's the question of what kind of comments he is deleting. If they're just insulting, incorrect or just blatant lies then I personally would do no different in terms of moderating the channel. Critic about his work is different to judge. If it's constructive I'd say they shouldn't be deleted and stay up. From a business point though I'd understand removing them, as he's representing his business here.
@@BartZeroSix I don't block any comments at all. In fact I hardly ever look at them, today being a rare exception. I do filter ones with swear words, racially, sexually, religiously and generally offensive words... Trying to keep it PG.
Embarassing? Greek orthodox icons are a very particular form of art, in many respects different from realistic painting. There's even what is called "reverse perspective". If it's not your heritage, you are bound to stumble upon a feature you don't even know that you don't know. Julian, I used to be your fan. Now I'm your full central unit air conditioner!
The painter has to fast for like 40 days before painting an icon, the paint must be tempera made of egg yolk and pigments, it must be on wood, then gilded with gold leaf…
Setting a good example. If a trained and extremely experienced proffesional can make a mistake and publically acknowledge their error then anyone should. In fact it's one of my favorite lessons to teach. My favorite story around that was Citi Tower in New York. The details are complex but the simple version is the architect whom designed the structure missed a possible wind risk. Once it was brought to his attention, he checked the math, came up with a solution, and informed the Citi Corporation. The problem was eventually fixed, though it cost a couple million dollars. There was no long drawn out trial. Citi Bank and the architect merely sat down in a room and worked out a settlement. In the end, Citi Bank merely took the amount the architect's liability insurance would pay without question despite it only being half of what it cost to rectify the error. So it costs the architect nothing out of his own pockets. All because the architect came forward with a solution and owned up to the mistake.
Take that in versus to the story with the tower that burned everyone around because its glass front acted like a lens. It's in London, and it burned car paint even before being finished. And guess what, it wasn't even the first time this has happened. Vdara death ray in LA.
As an engineer, this is why peer review is critical for me and others in my profession-- none of us are perfect! Having the humility to have someone catch your mistakes saves money and protects lives. But the profession is filled with big egos, too, and it keeps Errors and Omissions insurance busy.
Hmm - well, the Citicorp Center crisis was far more complex - as you say. The flaw found by a Princeton engineering student named Diane Hartley. The architect in question actually considered suicide when wind tunnel tests revealed that the building would be subject to wind stresses that would cause it to fall once every 55 years - and once every 16 years if a power outage caused to the tuned mass damper to malfunction. But since the specification of welded load braces were changed to bolted - it relieved the architect of legal responsibility. Fearing a panic and with the good luck of having a newspaper strike going on at the time - welding support trusses went on at night after a secret meeting in which only the city's highest officials and the head of the welders union were privy to, (every available welder was mobilized since it was hurricane season). The discovery of the defect was made by Hartley in June, 1978, the tests and confirmation of her discovery were made in July, and work began in August. The cost was far higher than a couple of million dollars - Citicorp has never revealed how much, but one of the contractors was paid 8 million alone. The whole affair was kept secret by all involved until 1995 when Joe Morgenstern of The New Yorker reported it. It's online somewhere.
Very interesting to finally see _just_ how easy it is to reverse your work. If something had to happen I'm glad it was something so (relatively) minor which also makes for a great example of part of the conservation process.
One of the marks of a great professional: recognizing that one will always make mistakes, being able to take ownership of your actions and be willing to put effort into the correction of that mistake. Great job Julian!
I’m an auto technician, have been for a long time. Whenever a young tech asks me how I know what exactly to do or how I knew a particular thing would happen, my response is “I made a lot of mistakes”.
90% of my job is preventing past mistakes. I am majorly self-taught in what I do so everything was a learning experience at one point or another. It is kind of funny because I sound like I do not trust the customers. But my order accuracy is so astonishingly high compared to my co-workers that no one ever complains about it.
I've always wondered what it looks like to reverse previous conservation work, so this video was fascinating. Also, what an elegant way to acknowledge and fix a mistake.
He’s done another where he reversed his own conservation work. “Revisiting an old friend”. The person who ordered the first conservation damaged it and Julien reversed his old conservation work while fixing the new damage.
I'm so excited that you did this! I had a feeling when I saw it being pointed out that you would go back and fix it-- you've spent so much time discussing how everything you do is reversible, and it was incredible to see in action! Thank you for being so gracious, and I was very happy to see the icon a second time.
He has another video where he had to fully reverse a conservation he did on a painting because the owners' cat sat on it lol. He has a video of the original conservation and another one undoing it, fixing the new damage, and re-conserving it.
to what those Greek characters (Ὁ Ὤ Ν) mean: they spell out the last part of "I AM WHO I AM" in Greek, which would be familiar to anyone who has read the Tale of the Burning Bush
I was curious about what these letters meant. On the wikipedia page on halos it says the following: "A cruciform halo, that is to say a halo with a cross within, or extending beyond, the circle is used to represent the persons of the Holy Trinity, especially Jesus, and especially in medieval art. In Byzantine and Orthodox images, inside each of the bars of the cross in Christ's halo is one of the Greek letters Ο Ω Ν, making up ὁ ὢν-"ho ōn", literally, "the Existing One"-indicating the divinity of Jesus. At least in later Orthodox images, each bar of this cross is composed of three lines, symbolising the dogmas of the Trinity, the oneness of God and the two natures of Christ." It's hard to see if omicron is a small or capital letter (o vs O), but as the omega is clearly small: ω not Ω, I assume that the the nu ought to be small as well: ν instead of Ν.
Someone has pointed out that the lowercase nu is also clearly visible in some parts of the original previous video (check responses to Julian's pinned comment on the original video), I wonder if he will notice it and fix it again :D
In fact! In the first video (16'26") I believe we can see the "V", and the other letters, highlighted... could an ultraviolet light exam reveal the real letter?
Interesting to see the ‘editing’ process. I can recall Julian saying on past videos when talking about mistakes that can and have been done in the past, followed by “Ask me how I know”, so he has goofed up in the past. Knowing how to recover from those goof ups is the main thing.
Not to be nitpicking but he actually put a capital N while it should have been a lowercase one «ν»,because the omega is lowercase «ω» and not «Ω».So it should have been «ο ων» or «O ΩΝ» and not «ο ωΝ».At the previous video at 16:27 it actually shows it being lowercase ν and not N.
Yeah this person is right. You can very clearly see the "v" at the timestamp they gave in the last video. Maybe 3rd time's the charm with this retouching? Greek letters can be hard to discern sometimes
life lesson "own to your mistakes" conservation lesson "religious icons are loaded with symbology and time should be expend researching" just as you do with a painter but looking for the details and not the only the colors or brush strokes
i guess i need to watch these vids on a way larger screen if i'm to stand any chance of catching stuff that small lol. good eye to those who saw it. Respect the fact you shared this one Julian. Not everyone would have been as welcoming to scrutiny.
Wow, mad respect for this. To admit to a mistake and rectify it even if the owner didn't noticed it. And then to do so in front of the whole world, basically... That's integrity on a whole another level. You have just become an icon yourself, sir.
You’ve always been an extremely honest person, and very forthright. I think your character is beyond reproach when it comes to your profession. Keep up the great work I enjoy watching you immensely! The more mangled, the better.
Every video we get to hear about the "fully reversible" archival mediums you use, it's nice to see that reversal process we always hear about in action
So awesome to see the process of reversing and removing previous restoration work. You're always telling us about the materials and processes you use to make that possible, but now we finally get to see it!
Not only do I love watching a professional admit and correct mistakes, but this is also a really great demonstration of how everything you do is reversible. We hear it every video but it's cool to see that in action.
I'm so glad you revisited that painting. Yes you had the whole internet to point out the mistake but you handled it with grace. And you get to teach us about reversing the touch up. Bravo!
Not only was the end result beautifuly restored, the process of correction really demonstrated the art of conserving. I hope your client enjoys the result.
I, too, am a teacher, learn from my mistakes. And nothing is irreversible in painting, fortunately! It helps a lot. I recently saw myself resuming the restoration of a painting 4 times. " We know that a painting is finished when we have nothing more to remove from it and not to add to it. " Good luck teacher and see you soon ! Kisses of France 💋
One can't be any kind of teacher if one doesn't learn on the job! Thank you for taking the time to show us just how your work can be corrected and improved - and how valuable audience feedback is, too!
Finally we can see how it works. You always talk about it and now we can see it in real :-) I like your teachings, also, did you just called us your "friends" at the end of the video?
It's funny how much we passively learn from you, Julian. A friend asked for help with the lettering on a sign bc he had redone it several times and it wasn't working. I sat down to work on it, but then thought of you and how you spend a lot of time LOOKING before you do anything. So I stopped and looked, and the problem with getting the lettering right was the texture of the background. The lettering was never going to look right until we addressed the background. Thanks! We redid the background, the lettering went on great, and the sign is installed
This is one of your best videos, because it shows EVERYONE makes mistakes and here's how you fix it. I always say to my employees when they've made an error and I tell them how to fix it; "I know how to fix this, because I made this same mistake." Great job!!
Nice little addition. While mistakes can surely happen to anyone, the use of reversible materials and techniques makes this process easy to fix. It also helps to reassure any potential clients that if something happens to the painting, whether its a mistake in conservation or something else, that the conservator has the integrity and ability to solve that.
The honesty, the sincerity, the absolute professionalism. We need more of this kind of attitude in _every_ aspect of our society. Mega-Kudos to you, sir!
I’m always fascinated by the detail and meticulousness of your work. I really respect that not having the tool for the job is never a show stopper for you, you either create it or design it, bravo. Reversing your previous transgression was another gem of a restoration session. I did have to giggle though when you called the ‘omega’ above the head on halo a ‘w’.
Beautiful. Admitting mistakes and handling them should be common human skill and yet people often times are terrified to admit mistakes. That is how we grow. I apploud you for your work and handling your mistake.
Kudos to you Julian having the self-confidence to admit your errors but then to turn it into a lesson for the rest of us on why you chose the methodologies you do. Bravo!
Bravo! Seeing you change your retouching based on the comments on your original video (and I suspect some research, just to be sure), was inspiring. And, I can't help but appreciate how fitting the ttle of that original video was.
Your honesty and integrity in addressing this is a true mark of the quality of your character and professional ethos. I wish all other professionals would follow your example.
Good eye to the viewers who pointed that out, and way to take this as a teachable moment for the people admiring your work on here! "To err is to be human", after all!
I did not notice either ,but at my age my eyes aren’t that great and they were very faint.But it shows how great your work is and how your a big enough person to own up.That’s why since I found you I have been watching all your videos.Your work ethic is beyond reproach.
"making mistakes" should be my middle name. I do a lot of improvements around the house, my friends cannot believe what I do, they don't see all the mistakes I had to redo. So happy to see you post a redo, and how easy it was for you using the proper materials.
It takes a great man to be able to admit to a mistake. It takes a greater man to admit it to thousands of people. Thank you for showing us how to remove your conservation Julian! 💖
Dear Mr.. Baumgartner. 👍👌👏 Simply fantastic! At last we viewers know how well all the reversible materials function. Thanks a lot for making teaching explaining recording editing uploading and sharing. Best regards luck and health.
That was a fascinating video. You not only showed how the retouching can be removed if necessary, you also showed something that's not often acknowledged - It's all very well to get things right the first time, and that's what we all aim for. But the true professional knows how to repair the inevitable stuff-ups that are simply a result of human nature, and come up with the correct result at last. Much respect!
A new favourite video of yours for many of us I'd say. We knew you had integrity in your work but this is a great recognition of your own humanity! Great job as always.
Recognizing an error enhances you as a person, also as a professional. I enjoy the entire restoration process that you show us in each video. Greetings from Bolivia (South America)
So pleased to be able to see *how* your work can be removed, after hearing that it can, so often! The science of the materials you use is remarkable. And such a stylish acknowledgment of a mistake -- typical Julian!!
The whole time I'm watching this I kept thinking, "Surely there is a missing letter on the right too?" Then 5:06 happened and my OCD was satiated~! Well Done, sir. You are such a master of your craft!
Exactly what you said at the end of the video. I have made more than my fair share. At this point in my career I am seen as an expert by my co-workers. That expertise came from lots of dead ends, wrong turns, mistakes and failures. You learn so much more from mistakes. Looking back I am just cringing at thinking of the mistakes I have made.
One has to own one's mistakes, as well as their achievements, otherwise they can never move on. And it had the added benefit of allowing you to show us how easy it is to reverse your work. I suspect you might have a few viewers who are familiar with icons, and recognized the shapes in the paints as symbols, otherwise, someone wouldn't recognize a squiggly line as a symbol, and they know where they would be. Good job correcting your mistake.
this really just goes to show how marvelous the internet and this platform are! had this not been uploaded for thousands to see, including people with such a niche field of knowledge, it might have been decades until the painting was next retouched and someone noticed! how cool is that
I thought this was a reupload at first, (and I was going to watch it again anyway) but very cool to see how reversible your conservation efforts are if need be.
Very Interesting. I certainly wouldn't have known there were supposed to be letters there either. Good Job making a mistake into a lesson on humility. Thanks for the update.
Oh Julian. Everyone makes mistakes. It is amazingly ethical and cool to correct your mistake and it makes me appreciate your work even more. Keep on doing your thing and I will keep appreciating the beauty and professionalism of your work. PS. I once made a $6 million mistake and it really taught me to be humble and going forward as a boss, honor that everyone makes mistakes.
Thanks for showing the oops factor. I don't think your demonstrations would have been fully complete if this part was not shown as an example. I seemed to always have in the back of my mind just this very "but what if" thought. Thank you for doing what you do. I always get so excited when I see a new entry from you.
You are a really principled and disciplined person, which is rare enough, but you also pair that with a positive attitude. That’s 1 in a billion. I really admire the way you approach life, and I feel like I will take your example with me today.
Just to be clear; after a lot of research I found that there were just as many icons with the capitol Nu (“N”) as lowercase (“v”). While it may seem odd, there doesn’t seem to be a hard rule- I found uppercase Omega with lowercase Nu and Omicron, and just about every variation thereof. It appears to be at the artists discretion. 🤷♂️
True. Unfortunately, the original video shows the letter as *lower case*. It can be very clearly seen at 16:27 till 16:45. You then covered it up with the ground layer at 16:57, which may be why it didn't "reappear" when you removed the paint in the "repair".
Regarding the "hard rule": The upper case Nu you found isn't upper or lower case at all, it's a "Greek uncial script" (search for that on Google to see what I mean). Whoever did this painting was not using an uncial script (maybe due to a lack of knowledge?), and was writing in actual lower cases.
To correct myself: I think you mostly covered it with fill-in medium only around 17:44. Parts of the nu can last be easily seen shortly before that. There's a hint of it also later, around 23:25, but it's hard to make out from that perspective due to the direction of the lighting.
When we admit to our mistakes we are generally perceived to be honest, and to have integrity in our work.
@@alejocazu6 you are probably right, I could see a faint u shape on the right side. Which could be a v with a curved bottom. You can see it in this video in teh gold foil distress. If you follow the childs (left) eye brow to the right. There is an indication there of a letter by the inversion of movement. but you coudl throw it through some filters ot confirm...
anyways..
I complained about many things, and well the blue... bottom right corner.. still isn't to the rendition of the artists, since it has a white border... and a looser style of gentle flicks... almsot like you could guess teh weight and brus hthe person is using.
The halo thing is still a thing... lol.. but meh mistke or not... doens't matter... he can do as he pleases.. its still good work.
...but admitting to making a mistake in front of several hundred thousand of friends, well, that is a mark of a consummate professional. Mad respect.
I don't think he has several hundred thousand friends...
He definitely has several hundred thousand lovers
@@BillyTubememe Nope, strictly friends here. He hasn't even bought me dinner yet!
@@BillyTubememe 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I think it's just common sense. Nice for sure, but just deontological. Just about being honest with one's self. And everyone should be honest with themselves
@@lucamorgese6340 🤣🤣use your words!!
Actually this is such a great video because I’ve always wanted to know how you’d remove your own conservation! Great eye everyone, and thanks Julian for showing us!
He’s done it before, it’s one of his earlier video. The one that has like 7 parts to it.
@@Fireclaws10 there's also one where he re-does a painting of a woman holding a bird, it got a hole in it and he repaints it.
See "revisiting an old friend" from Feb 2020 where he fixes new damage on a previously conserved painting
@@marthaanderson2656 thank you Martha!
He had another one, conservation of Anne! It was really cool to see.
This mistake was the opportunity to show us something we haven't gotten to see to date: how you can remove the stuff you use in conservation, which was pretty interesting! I don't remember seeing those little letters, either, so great job to those who did!
he has another video where he undoes his own work. called "revisiting an old friend". shows him reversing way more stuff. is an interesting watch
@@bevakathedementedraccoon I've watched all the old videos but didn't remember him undoing any of his work before. Well, in either case, this was still a good video.
We have tho lmao.. you look like a new subscriber
@@ivamanral989 Not overly new. I think I subscribed over a year ago and went back to watch all the old videos. I just have a terrible memory!
I was about to point out he did show this once before in “Revisiting an Old Friend”. I believe its the video where the cats sat on the painting while the owners were moving lol. Either way I do agree it’s great he made a follow up so new subscribers can see it as we have!
Way to make a mistake teachable in a bunch of ways. Thanks for this.
Most people wouldn't make a follow up video and just hide their mistakes. Thanks for what you're doing
I wish he wasn't blocking negative comments though (in the comment section here). I guess he's ok for "negative stuff" as long as he controls everything that is said? Kinda bad...
@@BartZeroSix I'm not aware that he's deleting negative comments so I can't really comment on that.
Then there's the question of what kind of comments he is deleting. If they're just insulting, incorrect or just blatant lies then I personally would do no different in terms of moderating the channel.
Critic about his work is different to judge. If it's constructive I'd say they shouldn't be deleted and stay up.
From a business point though I'd understand removing them, as he's representing his business here.
He’s probably done this before and not shown it.
@@ophello He did, actually.
@@BartZeroSix I don't block any comments at all. In fact I hardly ever look at them, today being a rare exception. I do filter ones with swear words, racially, sexually, religiously and generally offensive words... Trying to keep it PG.
Embarassing? Greek orthodox icons are a very particular form of art, in many respects different from realistic painting. There's even what is called "reverse perspective". If it's not your heritage, you are bound to stumble upon a feature you don't even know that you don't know.
Julian, I used to be your fan. Now I'm your full central unit air conditioner!
God, I ♡ you for that comment
Number 1 best comment ever.
Thank you! This is a pretty epic comment ;)
You just won the internet, I think! Great comment.
The painter has to fast for like 40 days before painting an icon, the paint must be tempera made of egg yolk and pigments, it must be on wood, then gilded with gold leaf…
Setting a good example. If a trained and extremely experienced proffesional can make a mistake and publically acknowledge their error then anyone should. In fact it's one of my favorite lessons to teach.
My favorite story around that was Citi Tower in New York. The details are complex but the simple version is the architect whom designed the structure missed a possible wind risk. Once it was brought to his attention, he checked the math, came up with a solution, and informed the Citi Corporation. The problem was eventually fixed, though it cost a couple million dollars. There was no long drawn out trial. Citi Bank and the architect merely sat down in a room and worked out a settlement. In the end, Citi Bank merely took the amount the architect's liability insurance would pay without question despite it only being half of what it cost to rectify the error. So it costs the architect nothing out of his own pockets. All because the architect came forward with a solution and owned up to the mistake.
Take that in versus to the story with the tower that burned everyone around because its glass front acted like a lens. It's in London, and it burned car paint even before being finished. And guess what, it wasn't even the first time this has happened. Vdara death ray in LA.
As an engineer, this is why peer review is critical for me and others in my profession-- none of us are perfect! Having the humility to have someone catch your mistakes saves money and protects lives. But the profession is filled with big egos, too, and it keeps Errors and Omissions insurance busy.
Hmm - well, the Citicorp Center crisis was far more complex - as you say. The flaw found by a Princeton engineering student named Diane Hartley. The architect in question actually considered suicide when wind tunnel tests revealed that the building would be subject to wind stresses that would cause it to fall once every 55 years - and once every 16 years if a power outage caused to the tuned mass damper to malfunction. But since the specification of welded load braces were changed to bolted - it relieved the architect of legal responsibility. Fearing a panic and with the good luck of having a newspaper strike going on at the time - welding support trusses went on at night after a secret meeting in which only the city's highest officials and the head of the welders union were privy to, (every available welder was mobilized since it was hurricane season). The discovery of the defect was made by Hartley in June, 1978, the tests and confirmation of her discovery were made in July, and work began in August. The cost was far higher than a couple of million dollars - Citicorp has never revealed how much, but one of the contractors was paid 8 million alone. The whole affair was kept secret by all involved until 1995 when Joe Morgenstern of The New Yorker reported it. It's online somewhere.
Very interesting to finally see _just_ how easy it is to reverse your work. If something had to happen I'm glad it was something so (relatively) minor which also makes for a great example of part of the conservation process.
he has another video where he undoes his own work. called "revisiting an old friend". shows him reversing way more stuff. is an interesting watch
@@bevakathedementedraccoon He also reversed his work in a video where he realized he was "painting", not "retouching".
One of the marks of a great professional: recognizing that one will always make mistakes, being able to take ownership of your actions and be willing to put effort into the correction of that mistake. Great job Julian!
I’m an auto technician, have been for a long time. Whenever a young tech asks me how I know what exactly to do or how I knew a particular thing would happen, my response is “I made a lot of mistakes”.
SAME !
90% of my job is preventing past mistakes. I am majorly self-taught in what I do so everything was a learning experience at one point or another. It is kind of funny because I sound like I do not trust the customers. But my order accuracy is so astonishingly high compared to my co-workers that no one ever complains about it.
An honest mistake admitted, addressed and fixed without being a jerk about it. A teachable moment in more ways than one.
I've always wondered what it looks like to reverse previous conservation work, so this video was fascinating. Also, what an elegant way to acknowledge and fix a mistake.
He’s done another where he reversed his own conservation work. “Revisiting an old friend”. The person who ordered the first conservation damaged it and Julien reversed his old conservation work while fixing the new damage.
I'm so excited that you did this! I had a feeling when I saw it being pointed out that you would go back and fix it-- you've spent so much time discussing how everything you do is reversible, and it was incredible to see in action! Thank you for being so gracious, and I was very happy to see the icon a second time.
He has another video where he had to fully reverse a conservation he did on a painting because the owners' cat sat on it lol. He has a video of the original conservation and another one undoing it, fixing the new damage, and re-conserving it.
to what those Greek characters (Ὁ Ὤ Ν) mean: they spell out the last part of "I AM WHO I AM" in Greek, which would be familiar to anyone who has read the Tale of the Burning Bush
tnx I was looking for this
It’s also from the book of Revelation: ο ην και ο ων και ο ερχόμενος (the one who was and is and is to come).
Isn't it more like "The existing/being (one)" ?
Thought it was Alpha and Omega
I was wondering when I saw him paint the N - the other two letters ( ο & ω ) are lowercase, so should the N not have been too? ( ν )
Well done. What a great way to own up to a mistake.
I was curious about what these letters meant. On the wikipedia page on halos it says the following:
"A cruciform halo, that is to say a halo with a cross within, or extending beyond, the circle is used to represent the persons of the Holy Trinity, especially Jesus, and especially in medieval art. In Byzantine and Orthodox images, inside each of the bars of the cross in Christ's halo is one of the Greek letters Ο Ω Ν, making up ὁ ὢν-"ho ōn", literally, "the Existing One"-indicating the divinity of Jesus. At least in later Orthodox images, each bar of this cross is composed of three lines, symbolising the dogmas of the Trinity, the oneness of God and the two natures of Christ."
It's hard to see if omicron is a small or capital letter (o vs O), but as the omega is clearly small: ω not Ω, I assume that the the nu ought to be small as well: ν instead of Ν.
Oh no, now he has to redo it /again/! ;)
I see your logic and I cannot but agree with that.
I think he needs to ask an orthodox priest. There are other variants, my Orthodox culture isn't good enough to say what exactly?
Someone has pointed out that the lowercase nu is also clearly visible in some parts of the original previous video (check responses to Julian's pinned comment on the original video), I wonder if he will notice it and fix it again :D
In fact! In the first video (16'26") I believe we can see the "V", and the other letters, highlighted... could an ultraviolet light exam reveal the real letter?
kudos to the viewers who caught the error. And props to the mad integrity of the restorer.
Interesting to see the ‘editing’ process. I can recall Julian saying on past videos when talking about mistakes that can and have been done in the past, followed by “Ask me how I know”, so he has goofed up in the past. Knowing how to recover from those goof ups is the main thing.
It's good to have 'friends' who have your back, Julian. We love your good character!
Not to be nitpicking but he actually put a capital N while it should have been a lowercase one «ν»,because the omega is lowercase «ω» and not «Ω».So it should have been «ο ων» or «O ΩΝ» and not «ο ωΝ».At the previous video at 16:27 it actually shows it being lowercase ν and not N.
Yeah this person is right. You can very clearly see the "v" at the timestamp they gave in the last video. Maybe 3rd time's the charm with this retouching? Greek letters can be hard to discern sometimes
Yes very true
life lesson "own to your mistakes" conservation lesson "religious icons are loaded with symbology and time should be expend researching" just as you do with a painter but looking for the details and not the only the colors or brush strokes
You are correct! I think you can see it at 24:27 in the previous video.
@@mage1524 Maybe because Jesus is a baby?
Dude, you are an absolute king for fixing that. And such a great example how reversible materials are so important.
Is there anyone who’s been watching for years and likes the way he’s speaks?
I usually watch the videos twice, once at night and I fall asleep and again in the morning to figure out what happened.
This is pride in your work, and above all, HONOR. Well done, J-Man.
GREAT video!!!!!!!!- videos on mistakes an fixing them (and more importantly admitting them) make such good and important videos.
It's always wonderful to see how respectful you are to these artifacts. Thank you for this!
Wise men readily admit to their mistakes. Thank you so much to being a man of integrity!
i guess i need to watch these vids on a way larger screen if i'm to stand any chance of catching stuff that small lol. good eye to those who saw it. Respect the fact you shared this one Julian. Not everyone would have been as welcoming to scrutiny.
Wow, mad respect for this. To admit to a mistake and rectify it even if the owner didn't noticed it. And then to do so in front of the whole world, basically... That's integrity on a whole another level. You have just become an icon yourself, sir.
You’ve always been an extremely honest person, and very forthright. I think your character is beyond reproach when it comes to your profession. Keep up the great work I enjoy watching you immensely! The more mangled, the better.
Every video we get to hear about the "fully reversible" archival mediums you use, it's nice to see that reversal process we always hear about in action
So awesome to see the process of reversing and removing previous restoration work. You're always telling us about the materials and processes you use to make that possible, but now we finally get to see it!
It just shows that no matter what the extent of one's expertise and length of experience, one must stay humble! Good for you.
We all make mistakes. We still love your videos and work!
The real Icon is you! How humble and amazing you are.
Not only do I love watching a professional admit and correct mistakes, but this is also a really great demonstration of how everything you do is reversible. We hear it every video but it's cool to see that in action.
I'm so glad you revisited that painting. Yes you had the whole internet to point out the mistake but you handled it with grace. And you get to teach us about reversing the touch up. Bravo!
Not only do I love your videos, but your "friends" in the comments section are some of the most brilliant and witty around!
Not only was the end result beautifuly restored, the process of correction really demonstrated the art of conserving. I hope your client enjoys the result.
Thank you for demonstrating how to remove conservation work. This was wonderful to watch. Like a breath of fresh air.
I, too, am a teacher, learn from my mistakes. And nothing is irreversible in painting, fortunately! It helps a lot. I recently saw myself resuming the restoration of a painting 4 times.
" We know that a painting is finished when we have nothing more to remove from it and not to add to it. " Good luck teacher and see you soon ! Kisses of France 💋
One can't be any kind of teacher if one doesn't learn on the job! Thank you for taking the time to show us just how your work can be corrected and improved - and how valuable audience feedback is, too!
Finally we can see how it works. You always talk about it and now we can see it in real :-) I like your teachings, also, did you just called us your "friends" at the end of the video?
The humility in showing your humanity is refreshing to say the least. Thanks for sharing this video.
I agree. mistakes are never a problem unless you leave them. cheers!
Mad respect for showing us a side not many would date to show. All your talk about reversing the paint is now legitimized.
All praise to Mr Baumgartner for admitting the minor error, and then putting it right. Kudos!
It's funny how much we passively learn from you, Julian. A friend asked for help with the lettering on a sign bc he had redone it several times and it wasn't working. I sat down to work on it, but then thought of you and how you spend a lot of time LOOKING before you do anything. So I stopped and looked, and the problem with getting the lettering right was the texture of the background. The lettering was never going to look right until we addressed the background. Thanks! We redid the background, the lettering went on great, and the sign is installed
This is one of your best videos, because it shows EVERYONE makes mistakes and here's how you fix it. I always say to my employees when they've made an error and I tell them how to fix it; "I know how to fix this, because I made this same mistake." Great job!!
This was wonderfully refreshing! It was so cool to see the reversal of your materials
Nice little addition.
While mistakes can surely happen to anyone, the use of reversible materials and techniques makes this process easy to fix.
It also helps to reassure any potential clients that if something happens to the painting, whether its a mistake in conservation or something else, that the conservator has the integrity and ability to solve that.
The honesty, the sincerity, the absolute professionalism. We need more of this kind of attitude in _every_ aspect of our society. Mega-Kudos to you, sir!
Thank you, that was very interesting to see the reversibility in action!
I’m always fascinated by the detail and meticulousness of your work. I really respect that not having the tool for the job is never a show stopper for you, you either create it or design it, bravo. Reversing your previous transgression was another gem of a restoration session. I did have to giggle though when you called the ‘omega’ above the head on halo a ‘w’.
Beautiful. Admitting mistakes and handling them should be common human skill and yet people often times are terrified to admit mistakes. That is how we grow. I apploud you for your work and handling your mistake.
Your attitude about mistakes is exactly right: acknowledge , rectify, learn and move on--all beautifully done here, thank you. :)
Kudos to you Julian having the self-confidence to admit your errors but then to turn it into a lesson for the rest of us on why you chose the methodologies you do. Bravo!
I'm glad for the opportunity to see your archival media and techniques in action.
Bravo! Seeing you change your retouching based on the comments on your original video (and I suspect some research, just to be sure), was inspiring. And, I can't help but appreciate how fitting the ttle of that original video was.
Your honesty and integrity in addressing this is a true mark of the quality of your character and professional ethos. I wish all other professionals would follow your example.
Thank you for showing a great example of responsible mistake-culture and forward-thinking. We need more of this around the world.
Good eye to the viewers who pointed that out, and way to take this as a teachable moment for the people admiring your work on here! "To err is to be human", after all!
I did not notice either ,but at my age my eyes aren’t that great and they were very faint.But it shows how great your work is and how your a big enough person to own up.That’s why since I found you I have been watching all your videos.Your work ethic is beyond reproach.
"making mistakes" should be my middle name. I do a lot of improvements around the house, my friends cannot believe what I do, they don't see all the mistakes I had to redo.
So happy to see you post a redo, and how easy it was for you using the proper materials.
Yes! I was wondering what happens in this occasions, thanks Julian ❣️
I really admire such genuine humility. It really shows how much you appreciate both the work and your audience. Bravo.
This is the reason I follow Julian...and he never let's us down!! So proud...
It takes a great man to be able to admit to a mistake. It takes a greater man to admit it to thousands of people. Thank you for showing us how to remove your conservation Julian! 💖
Dear Mr.. Baumgartner.
👍👌👏 Simply fantastic! At last we viewers know how well all the reversible materials function.
Thanks a lot for making teaching explaining recording editing uploading and sharing.
Best regards luck and health.
You bring joy to my life Senior Baumgartner!! Thank you
That was a fascinating video. You not only showed how the retouching can be removed if necessary, you also showed something that's not often acknowledged - It's all very well to get things right the first time, and that's what we all aim for. But the true professional knows how to repair the inevitable stuff-ups that are simply a result of human nature, and come up with the correct result at last. Much respect!
A new favourite video of yours for many of us I'd say. We knew you had integrity in your work but this is a great recognition of your own humanity! Great job as always.
Recognizing an error enhances you as a person, also as a professional. I enjoy the entire restoration process that you show us in each video. Greetings from Bolivia (South America)
So pleased to be able to see *how* your work can be removed, after hearing that it can, so often! The science of the materials you use is remarkable.
And such a stylish acknowledgment of a mistake -- typical Julian!!
The whole time I'm watching this I kept thinking, "Surely there is a missing letter on the right too?" Then 5:06 happened and my OCD was satiated~!
Well Done, sir. You are such a master of your craft!
Thank you for your honesty and genius. We DO learn from our mistakes.
Very interesting. Thank you for showing the reversal process that you speak of so often.
Thank you for owning up and correcting your mistake. Makes me respect and love your work more.
Exactly what you said at the end of the video. I have made more than my fair share. At this point in my career I am seen as an expert by my co-workers. That expertise came from lots of dead ends, wrong turns, mistakes and failures. You learn so much more from mistakes. Looking back I am just cringing at thinking of the mistakes I have made.
One has to own one's mistakes, as well as their achievements, otherwise they can never move on. And it had the added benefit of allowing you to show us how easy it is to reverse your work. I suspect you might have a few viewers who are familiar with icons, and recognized the shapes in the paints as symbols, otherwise, someone wouldn't recognize a squiggly line as a symbol, and they know where they would be. Good job correcting your mistake.
this really just goes to show how marvelous the internet and this platform are! had this not been uploaded for thousands to see, including people with such a niche field of knowledge, it might have been decades until the painting was next retouched and someone noticed! how cool is that
I thought this was a reupload at first, (and I was going to watch it again anyway) but very cool to see how reversible your conservation efforts are if need be.
Very Interesting. I certainly wouldn't have known there were supposed to be letters there either. Good Job making a mistake into a lesson on humility. Thanks for the update.
You have the most soothing voice of any narrator on Television these days. A sheynem dank for many restful hours viewing. Mazel tov.
I love that you laugh at yourself. True professional!
Oh Julian. Everyone makes mistakes. It is amazingly ethical and cool to correct your mistake and it makes me appreciate your work even more. Keep on doing your thing and I will keep appreciating the beauty and professionalism of your work. PS. I once made a $6 million mistake and it really taught me to be humble and going forward as a boss, honor that everyone makes mistakes.
You are a man of culture. Accepting the mistake and critically fixing it is no small feat
Setting the world standard on how to deal with a mistake. Pure class.
I think it's great that you actually did it on camera, because if not, it may never have been noticed.
Thank you Julian. I admire your integrity.
What a superior video! I would show this to my students as an example of how we all learn. I respect you so much!
There is definitely a divine message in this error and remedy.
Great way to deal with a mistake, turning it into lesson. Thanks a lot and best wishes from Germany
Thank you for showing use the process of correcting a mistake. This was just as fascinating as your other videos.
Thank you for your genius and your honesty. We DO learn from our mistakes.
I'm so happy you fixed it and showed us! Thank you! It's so cool that your work is reversible so that things like this can be mended.
Showing you made a mistake is a prouf of respect toward your audience but also show your level of professionalism and integrity
Thanks for showing the oops factor. I don't think your demonstrations would have been fully complete if this part was not shown as an example. I seemed to always have in the back of my mind just this very "but what if" thought. Thank you for doing what you do. I always get so excited when I see a new entry from you.
You are a really principled and disciplined person, which is rare enough, but you also pair that with a positive attitude. That’s 1 in a billion. I really admire the way you approach life, and I feel like I will take your example with me today.
It's so awesome that you put this out. Thank you! So many people would just get offended about people pointing out a mistake.