my boxing coach used to tell us all the time to " pull your punch back not push your punch forward, it's faster, stronger, and you have better balance even if you miss."
Thank you for being so generous with your knowledge. Two bad dudes who could do big damage coming together and exploring their findings as philosophers, then sharing with us. Its a beautiful thing 🙏
Totally agree. If the pivoting of the foot and the rotation of the hip is truly the "key" for power, then Joe Louis would have the weakest cross in the history of boxing, because when he threw the cross, his rear leg is off the ground. The stretch on the pec and the pulling of the lats is what really drive the "snap" in a good punch
Pivoting actually keeps your knee from exploding when you throw a kick so it's super important. As for power on a kick, i feel like it comes from multiple sources. From the ground, you need flexibility to not hinder your force, IT band strength, quads, many things.
Same applies to boxing. You can still throw a hook with “proper” mechanics without pivoting the foot but you’ll end up putting a dangerous level of force into your knees
I've always liked power coming from your back, and your core. It starts with legs, but back and core, and then shoulder bis and tris. And if your well developed in all these spots and your throwing with technique, your gonna have alot of power. Then there is power from just big frames and mass. There's more to power than just it comes from here. If you have lunch box hands, and are 6ft 5 and weigh 250lbs and are in fair shape and know how to throw a punch, that punch will be powerful.. there's alot behind power.
So basically you do what Karate Katas teach. Got it! Thank you very much for making this video! And yes I just wanted to "trigger" some people like Mr. Hard2hurt.
There are 4 ways in which power is generated - muscular strength in your arms, shoulders, back - rotational (hips, shoulders) as scene in this video - weight shift (step or shifting your weight between your legs to produce force) - elastic tension (the stretch to wip motion on the peck when you hand trails behind your shoulder) this was a favorite of Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey (he called it the Shoulder Whirl)
I'm genuinely curious why the "weight shift" is considered a source of power. I think I'm probably not understanding what you mean by "weight shift." I am not a serious boxer by any stretch of the imagination. Is this referred to by some famous boxers/trainers? From a body mechanics (physics) perspective weight shift seems similar to the "hips lie" that this video discusses. Momentum from a step, or power from legs driving the hips and upper body are really the only ways to generate power from your lower half. The weight shift can only provide the base for either, but in itself has basically zero power to impart. Really fast weight shifts and steps can pre-load tension, but the power to do those quick movements is coming from the legs, with some help from hips and torso. I'm probably getting caught up in semantics. So I'll shut up now. Thanks in advance if someone has anything useful to clue me in.
@@KelpWolf Generally a weight shift is when you have weight focused on 1 foot, then you step or shuffle and put that weight on the other foot then strike. Here are some vids that might give you at least some idea of what it entails. ua-cam.com/video/zuiG64B6zOI/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/vijD09_O8ek/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/bwPjY9IgUqU/v-deo.html It can be transferring power from a stance switch (the power comes from the stance switch into a punch(, or changing positioning and keeping the weight on one foot (this still means the power comes from the legs)
@@KelpWolf The weight shift simply generates motion of your mass so that you can use it to create a collision with your target. It's just momentum from a step as you word it.
I watched this because I thought it was an Icy Mike video, but now I'm going to have to watch a bunch of the Sacred Boxing videos. Really good content.
Your proper weigh in move is a lot of power, the move of your opponent too. So, technique of punch is just a part of power, totally depend on the way fighters are moving at the moment.
I feel like the problem with coaching is that students want easy answers, and they teach you to give them easy answers that kind of work over the more complicated and nuanced reality. There's a lot of things going on at once, and that's after basically removing all the terrain. It's like teaching someone to catch a ball. Your body does most of the work without you getting involved, it's not like you're doing the math. I switched from "proper" training to just ignoring everything that came out of a human brain and using what everything else uses and it's working a TON better, my back and knee pain is gone, and I'm way more resilient, but it's such a purely mental effort (mostly just overriding social mimicry, peer pressure, and the idea that overriding the body isn't terribly irresponsible) that I have no idea how you'd even START coaching something like that conventionally, because it's basically "Ignore everyone, including me and yourself, just charge into weird terrain until the old system starts taking back over" and that's a sentence, not a program. Anyway, no idea where that goes, just feels like maybe we lost track off some things in the process of becoming a civilization. I don't think people in the past hurt themselves so often falling from standing up and I don't know what it all means, just that something's off.
@@sacredboxing I'm an old guy (51) and do a ton of mentoring and training for work, and a parkour gym I was going to asked me to put together a training plan and do some classes because I had some moves...but I could not make it work at ALL in the context of a gym training thing. The best I can come up with is getting together around the safest trees we can climb, smoking weed, and dancing badly to dubstep remixes while encouraging childlike enthusiastic derping to train proprioception...not an option in most States, right? I don't think people appreciate how hard teaching/mentoring movement is. I'm really good at some things and those are the things I understand the least, much less how to teach them.
That's pretty much why in traditional martial arts there are forms, stances and basic drills (kihon in karate) that are meant to condition student's bodies for proper movements so you don't have to be too verbose while explaining them. Just do this and that for like 2 years and then we'll talk.
this is why Basics matter. A lesson for ICY Mike. Knowledge is power! When you say lie. you actually mean you do not have the Knowledge to teach the correct technique.
Another good back exercise to do when you don't have a pull-up bar, nor a row machine comes from the GOAT Bill "Superfoot" Wallace. He said that when he was traveling and staying in hotels, he'd wedge a towel under the bathroom door and place another on top of the door for grip, then do pull-ups.
Bruce Lee was super obsessed with his back. The way of the dragon, when he fought Chuck Norris, he leaned forward and did that upper back flex scene. It look like wings were coming out. He was so obsessed with his back that it lead to a major injury while working out with good mornings.
This is actually how I threw a baseball I took the form from pitchers while making it a shorter motion. The idea was whipping my glove hand down with an acutely bent elbow and snapping the glove hand down like a whip while having the throwing hand start the whipping motion forward using the momentum of the other arm to add more velocity to it. To make it even better snap down at the was as you whip the throwing hand and you will add in a whole extra whipping motion with the throwing hand making it actually have a much higher velocity it is harder to control though has worked at getting the close plays to go in my favor though and definitely helpful but needs practice before being used in a game. All that to say I can say with my own experience that throwing the other side of the body back with the punch to rotate faster will definitely add more pop to a punch.
Power comes from your skelenton. **eats popcorn** (alingment) and then mass multiplied by speed, and then delivery of vectors (way the fist lands instead of glancing )
Ramsey Dewey suggested pulling exercises to strengthen punches rather than pushing exercises. Pulling back a resistance band and rotating the left shoulder back with strengthen the cross and vice versa.
Great breakdown of mechanics/cues here. It can be tough to make that mind/muscle connection, especially when people have bad habits. I love that ground exercise for punching, its like the start of a "Turkish Getup" but focused on the rotation and shoulder blade being involved rather than the arm. Great stuff guys!
Big movements of your legs and hips just unconsolidate your force, to consolidate force you want to keep legs and hips sturdy and generate the bigger rotation in your shoulders
I like that kettlebell exercise. I usually have people do a band pull while slowly extending the opposite punch to teach that but I’m definitely stealing yours.
I'm gonna wildy guess because this is something that Ramsey Dawey said. The most important muscles for a Boxer are the legs. All the movement including the punches require footowork, also footwork the proper use of that work is how are your feet positioned during each strike, it does not really mean movement lol. It's the legs right? I get my legs tired the most when training striking in general.
That looks like hikite from Karate, I think in a way the idea of contracting those muscles with an opposite motion is the same(? Just without the rotation of the body
From a physics point of view, you need the friction on with the floor. You showed it with the kettle exercise, where you put the floor directly on your back to isolate the upper body muscles. When the whole body works together, any force that is going through the target will also push you back and you will need to stop yourself using your feet and your balance. Where does the power comme from? From all the muscles involved in the chain that they make from the ground to the point of impact. *Percentage may vary
I think the big difference with pulling the opposite shoulder to recruit the back muscles, isn't so much a huge raw power difference, though there is some more power certainly. Rather it improves the quality of the connection on the strike and allows you to absorb the recoil better. Thus it stabs and penetrants the target more making the transfer of energy more efficient and thus a more devistrating collision. Less of a slapping blow.
Might be worth looking into Silat drills for rotation training. The art has a big focus (well the version I studied) on punching from a ground or seated position. The only way to generate power when you can not use your hips is to rotate from the waist. Really helps to wake up those muscles, and adds a lot more power when you can properly connect that rotation to everything else.
I’ll have to look into Silat drills. I like the seated punch idea. I study functional patterns for about 5 years and really understood better the importance of rotational force better
@@sacredboxing yeah trying to generate power for a punch as well as parry one when sat cross legged on the floor with someone really forces awareness of rotation and what your back actually has to do. Also really plays well into the circular footwork and movements of the art but can be adapted by high level boxers.
I learned this before from some king fu video but completelyyyy forgot and was back focusing on only my hips and feet. This is so important to be conscious of. Preciate you SB! 🥊 🔥
Take my sub ! I noticed this technique from the one and only Iron Mike Tyson trying to figure out where his power came from. Been a long time sub of Icy Mike's
i've seen stuff on youtube from kung fu folks with a very similar concept regarding the opposite side (arm shoulder back) pulling as a counterweight to really drive the punching side into the target. (heck! looking back i think it might've been a sensei seth video) its so interesting to see similarities in understanding body mechanics and functions develop from different styles and fighting arts around the world. love the lessons and videos! i've been learning so much!
I always try to practice for speed and power, I try to relax before I punch 👊 and just when I hit the target contract the punch 👊 then relax again ,for me it works and I can get lots of power like that and speed👊🙏
Agree your shoulder width takes account for a lot of power becaouse it acts as a lever, but a real place where power comes from is just a weight transfer the more weight shift the more rotation also. As a small detail like you said moving your head to the side it simply also adding more weight transfer
Coach Jared! Solid tip with the kettle-bell, will need to add this to my routine and reap the benefits to my punching. And yes, we all lie to our kids ;9 Another great video, much love and respect, thank you again =)
Sympathetic Compensation can cause one to favor a movement that is uncoordinated. Training wrong concepts can be lasting detriments. Fight having a weak side. Equalize.
Definitely love this video, simply explaining the truth with demonstration and logic, and a bit of fun, you 2 are such great characters or persons, from Italy i really thank you, i just watch your videos and learn something new and also i can refresh my mind rewatching also the basics! Great job Guys! And from nothing i would like to give compliments for the logo, cause it's well made! Keep going!🥊♥️
Actually punching is quite complicated and there are many different ways to do it. I know that sounds crazy 🤪 like there is only one way to punch, but that is an illusion. Anyways great content, keep up the great work of sharing and teaching.....
I love this! I'm not that into boxing, but this is just so fascinating. Of course tons of martial arts steal from boxing so...aaanyway. This is almost scientific--which, being a nerd, I absolutely love. Fantastic video, Jared! Keep it up.
it's obviously the whole chain of the movement that makes the power. it adds up. you can break up the chain into parts and isolate them and in all of them the fist will move. while most part of the chain kind of comes naturaly, the rotation doesn't. so it makes sense to teach people "it comes from the hips"
So...I agree that the back adds power, but I think its wrong to characterize it as the source of power. Ultimately, what Mike first said was right. All power does come out of the ground, because -- by the most basic principles of physics -- you generate power by pushing against something. If you did the shoulder rotation while floating in a weightless vacuum, then you'd just spin in place. Its the firm footing pushing against the ground that allows the body -- through the "kinetic chain" -- to transform the rotational energy of the shoulders, the hips, and even the hand (turning over the knuckles) into the linear force of the strike. So, yes, the shoulder rotation adds power, but only because the earlier stages of the chain (foot, hips, etc.) are also good...thus creating an efficient kinetic chain. Its actually most accurate to say that "striking power comes from body coordination" and not from any one joint. But (like Mike sort of said) we explain it in pieces ("power comes from the feet/hips/back/shoulder" because that's how humans usually learn things (like you said "too much information" at once) -- we build/fix parts and then assemble them into a working whole. The reason we say "you can't teach power, power is born" is because body coordination and efficiency of movement is something that some people just have a natural instinct for. The exercise you did with the kettle bell on your back can lead to the false idea that the feet don't matter. In that exercise you don't have footing, but your shoulder is in a position to push directing against the ground. That's an artificial position -- its good for isolating/strengthening the muscles as an exercise, but it doesn't reflect the human body's natural mechanics for striking because the human body is not designed to efficiently project force off its back. www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a3093/the-science-of-bruce-lees-one-inch-punch-16814527/ www.neurotour.com/blog/how-to-generate-torque-in-boxing
Well I see it as the back heel comes up and turns till it faces the straight ahead. That gets ours hips square which is our load for the punch. That tightens the muscle on the side of the hip and the oblique. Then we turn that opposite shoulder back and tighten our ab from the side the punch comes out of. That gives us the snap from two opposite forces meeting. And the back twitching with the hip moving is just recoil..... all that said this is just my view. Excellent videos man 🤙
The thing I don't like about pull the opposite shoulder back is: How am I meant to focus on pulling my rear shoulder back when the goal is to use my other hand to hit a target? It's too distracting from actually aiming at the target. I'm just gonna aim at the target and punch with desired arm.
Ramsey Dewey (boxing coach on youtube) has some tips. When you're practicing shadow boxing or bag, try extending your left punch first on the target, it's the starting point of you combo then you pull back as if you're chaining the 2nd punch. It's more natural to practice this way as the first hand is already coming back to protect your chin as you pull back there's a little bit counter movement for your right hand launching.
Finaly somebody who understands how it actually works,punching power is TORQUE,you dont torque with your quads ,and only somewhat with your glutes ,the real power is in the torso,its the lat and chest,and its the serape complex(rhomboids,serratus anterior,obliques)deontay wilder has small legs,but his back?
@icymike. Imagine and focus on twisting ur spine like a corkscrew instead of moving shoulders back. The more you concentrate on this the more you can feel ur muscles gliding around your spine.
Could you do a video where you can explain boxing organizations / weight classes / titles / belts ect... there are so many of each of these thing, some of us just don't know what it ACTUALLY means to be a champion in class A under ABC blah blah blah. As opposed to C under XYZ....like bruh...help..
I learned some of my fathers karate and spent alot of time solo with the back and forth pull and push retraction to extending arm opposite side training of punches. I got used to just using my shoulder the one arm going back of one to make the other go even before I learned how to use my hip in line with the shoulder or at the end of the punch. Im friends with a dude who used to boxing and a good bit of boxing mechanics are different then karate some similar though depending on the style etc. Izzo wing chun talks about the opposite side pulling to push the other as well.
Power is generated by contracting chains of muscles and simultaneaously relaxing their antagonists, pushing off an unyielding surface, usually the ground, into a target. How is that? :-)
@@sacredboxing Thanks! :-) Did you catch the indirect connection between the relaxing of antagonists and your point about rotating the opposite shoulder backwards?
my boxing coach used to tell us all the time to " pull your punch back not push your punch forward, it's faster, stronger, and you have better balance even if you miss."
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Mine too he says "punching is about pulling not pushing"
Just completely changed my next sparring session with that advice
@RamseyDewey has said this as well. Power comes from pulling, not pushing.
@@88kalu really? That's cool the few videos of him I watched were always pretty good
Long ago Ramsey Dewey exactly tell me that for à better front hook, to pull back my other side.
That kettlebell demo is helping me to realize how important the Turkish get up is
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Like seeing coaches around other coaches
Thank you for being so generous with your knowledge. Two bad dudes who could do big damage coming together and exploring their findings as philosophers, then sharing with us. Its a beautiful thing 🙏
Totally agree. If the pivoting of the foot and the rotation of the hip is truly the "key" for power, then Joe Louis would have the weakest cross in the history of boxing, because when he threw the cross, his rear leg is off the ground. The stretch on the pec and the pulling of the lats is what really drive the "snap" in a good punch
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That's why karate emphasizes retracting so hard when drilling the reverse punch.
Pivoting actually keeps your knee from exploding when you throw a kick so it's super important. As for power on a kick, i feel like it comes from multiple sources. From the ground, you need flexibility to not hinder your force, IT band strength, quads, many things.
Same applies to boxing. You can still throw a hook with “proper” mechanics without pivoting the foot but you’ll end up putting a dangerous level of force into your knees
I got weak ass arms so I discovered this real quick
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I've always liked power coming from your back, and your core. It starts with legs, but back and core, and then shoulder bis and tris. And if your well developed in all these spots and your throwing with technique, your gonna have alot of power. Then there is power from just big frames and mass. There's more to power than just it comes from here. If you have lunch box hands, and are 6ft 5 and weigh 250lbs and are in fair shape and know how to throw a punch, that punch will be powerful.. there's alot behind power.
Right on 🎯
Well said
So basically you do what Karate Katas teach.
Got it!
Thank you very much for making this video! And yes I just wanted to "trigger" some people like Mr. Hard2hurt.
There are 4 ways in which power is generated
- muscular strength in your arms, shoulders, back
- rotational (hips, shoulders) as scene in this video
- weight shift (step or shifting your weight between your legs to produce force)
- elastic tension (the stretch to wip motion on the peck when you hand trails behind your shoulder) this was a favorite of Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey (he called it the Shoulder Whirl)
Thanks for the Louis& Dempsey reference!
I'm genuinely curious why the "weight shift" is considered a source of power. I think I'm probably not understanding what you mean by "weight shift." I am not a serious boxer by any stretch of the imagination. Is this referred to by some famous boxers/trainers? From a body mechanics (physics) perspective weight shift seems similar to the "hips lie" that this video discusses. Momentum from a step, or power from legs driving the hips and upper body are really the only ways to generate power from your lower half. The weight shift can only provide the base for either, but in itself has basically zero power to impart. Really fast weight shifts and steps can pre-load tension, but the power to do those quick movements is coming from the legs, with some help from hips and torso. I'm probably getting caught up in semantics. So I'll shut up now. Thanks in advance if someone has anything useful to clue me in.
@@KelpWolf Generally a weight shift is when you have weight focused on 1 foot, then you step or shuffle and put that weight on the other foot then strike. Here are some vids that might give you at least some idea of what it entails.
ua-cam.com/video/zuiG64B6zOI/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/vijD09_O8ek/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/bwPjY9IgUqU/v-deo.html
It can be transferring power from a stance switch (the power comes from the stance switch into a punch(, or changing positioning and keeping the weight on one foot (this still means the power comes from the legs)
@@KelpWolf The weight shift simply generates motion of your mass so that you can use it to create a collision with your target. It's just momentum from a step as you word it.
5. Stepping or leaping forward.
I watched this because I thought it was an Icy Mike video, but now I'm going to have to watch a bunch of the Sacred Boxing videos. Really good content.
Thanks bro ‼️ More to come
Your proper weigh in move is a lot of power, the move of your opponent too. So, technique of punch is just a part of power, totally depend on the way fighters are moving at the moment.
Had my soldiers doing that kettlebell shoulder raise today. Definitely a quality workout.
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I feel like the problem with coaching is that students want easy answers, and they teach you to give them easy answers that kind of work over the more complicated and nuanced reality. There's a lot of things going on at once, and that's after basically removing all the terrain.
It's like teaching someone to catch a ball. Your body does most of the work without you getting involved, it's not like you're doing the math.
I switched from "proper" training to just ignoring everything that came out of a human brain and using what everything else uses and it's working a TON better, my back and knee pain is gone, and I'm way more resilient, but it's such a purely mental effort (mostly just overriding social mimicry, peer pressure, and the idea that overriding the body isn't terribly irresponsible) that I have no idea how you'd even START coaching something like that conventionally, because it's basically "Ignore everyone, including me and yourself, just charge into weird terrain until the old system starts taking back over" and that's a sentence, not a program.
Anyway, no idea where that goes, just feels like maybe we lost track off some things in the process of becoming a civilization. I don't think people in the past hurt themselves so often falling from standing up and I don't know what it all means, just that something's off.
I follow you on that 💯💯
@@sacredboxing I'm an old guy (51) and do a ton of mentoring and training for work, and a parkour gym I was going to asked me to put together a training plan and do some classes because I had some moves...but I could not make it work at ALL in the context of a gym training thing. The best I can come up with is getting together around the safest trees we can climb, smoking weed, and dancing badly to dubstep remixes while encouraging childlike enthusiastic derping to train proprioception...not an option in most States, right?
I don't think people appreciate how hard teaching/mentoring movement is. I'm really good at some things and those are the things I understand the least, much less how to teach them.
That's pretty much why in traditional martial arts there are forms, stances and basic drills (kihon in karate) that are meant to condition student's bodies for proper movements so you don't have to be too verbose while explaining them. Just do this and that for like 2 years and then we'll talk.
I sure wish all this excellent (free!) content 20 years ago!!
Hit ‘like’ straight on the look to camera after “you lie to your kids, right?”. Perfect.
Looking forward to the karate hiki te comments.
this is why Basics matter. A lesson for ICY Mike. Knowledge is power! When you say lie. you actually mean you do not have the Knowledge to teach the correct technique.
Another good back exercise to do when you don't have a pull-up bar, nor a row machine comes from the GOAT Bill "Superfoot" Wallace. He said that when he was traveling and staying in hotels, he'd wedge a towel under the bathroom door and place another on top of the door for grip, then do pull-ups.
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All of that is part of the kinetic chain which creates power -its not just one area
Bruce Lee was super obsessed with his back. The way of the dragon, when he fought Chuck Norris, he leaned forward and did that upper back flex scene. It look like wings were coming out. He was so obsessed with his back that it lead to a major injury while working out with good mornings.
This is actually how I threw a baseball I took the form from pitchers while making it a shorter motion. The idea was whipping my glove hand down with an acutely bent elbow and snapping the glove hand down like a whip while having the throwing hand start the whipping motion forward using the momentum of the other arm to add more velocity to it. To make it even better snap down at the was as you whip the throwing hand and you will add in a whole extra whipping motion with the throwing hand making it actually have a much higher velocity it is harder to control though has worked at getting the close plays to go in my favor though and definitely helpful but needs practice before being used in a game. All that to say I can say with my own experience that throwing the other side of the body back with the punch to rotate faster will definitely add more pop to a punch.
Jack Dempsey called this the "Shoulder Whirl".
Icy Mike made me subscribe he’s hard to hurt so I listen to him.
a lot of great concepts I never even thought about in this video,. thx you.
Thanks!!
its not lying its simplifying until they can understand the advanced concept
Fascinating insight
Lot of similarities to the TMA Hiki Te ( pulling hand ) concept
her from fightTIPS LOVE IT
Love the channel and the great content, my man! Also, it’s been great seeing the collaborations.
Power comes from your skelenton. **eats popcorn** (alingment) and then mass multiplied by speed, and then delivery of vectors (way the fist lands instead of glancing )
The skeleton doesn’t contract though.
@@sacredboxing without skeletal alignment all ur power is just going to bounce off or slap.
Ramsey Dewey suggested pulling exercises to strengthen punches rather than pushing exercises. Pulling back a resistance band and rotating the left shoulder back with strengthen the cross and vice versa.
Great breakdown of mechanics/cues here. It can be tough to make that mind/muscle connection, especially when people have bad habits. I love that ground exercise for punching, its like the start of a "Turkish Getup" but focused on the rotation and shoulder blade being involved rather than the arm. Great stuff guys!
Interestingly this is how i was taught to punch for kyokushin, engage the back muscles as you pull one arm back in and extend the other out
Big movements of your legs and hips just unconsolidate your force, to consolidate force you want to keep legs and hips sturdy and generate the bigger rotation in your shoulders
The proper footwork will manifest if u focus on solidifying and making sturdy so your shoulder rotation doesn't throw u off balance
Right on!
From a book by Loren Christensen said use your opposite side waist to pull your torso around and slightly downward.
7:00 starting motion in the turkish get-up.
Good conversation and good way to train it.
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I like that kettlebell exercise. I usually have people do a band pull while slowly extending the opposite punch to teach that but I’m definitely stealing yours.
🔥🔥 I like the band and/or cable pulls too! Allows the person to feel the reciprocated movement.
I'm gonna wildy guess because this is something that Ramsey Dawey said. The most important muscles for a Boxer are the legs. All the movement including the punches require footowork, also footwork the proper use of that work is how are your feet positioned during each strike, it does not really mean movement lol.
It's the legs right?
I get my legs tired the most when training striking in general.
The entire kinetic chain
That looks like hikite from Karate, I think in a way the idea of contracting those muscles with an opposite motion is the same(? Just without the rotation of the body
From a physics point of view, you need the friction on with the floor. You showed it with the kettle exercise, where you put the floor directly on your back to isolate the upper body muscles.
When the whole body works together, any force that is going through the target will also push you back and you will need to stop yourself using your feet and your balance.
Where does the power comme from? From all the muscles involved in the chain that they make from the ground to the point of impact. *Percentage may vary
don't forget kinetic energy--pure speed without being grounded can also generate power, just not as much...
@@KelpWolf So you mean, remove the friction? then we have an elastic collision like we learned from the books.
@@KelpWolf So yea, like you said, some power, not as much
I think the big difference with pulling the opposite shoulder to recruit the back muscles, isn't so much a huge raw power difference, though there is some more power certainly. Rather it improves the quality of the connection on the strike and allows you to absorb the recoil better. Thus it stabs and penetrants the target more making the transfer of energy more efficient and thus a more devistrating collision. Less of a slapping blow.
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So great to have this kind of teaching from a real professional. Excellent teaching
Might be worth looking into Silat drills for rotation training. The art has a big focus (well the version I studied) on punching from a ground or seated position. The only way to generate power when you can not use your hips is to rotate from the waist. Really helps to wake up those muscles, and adds a lot more power when you can properly connect that rotation to everything else.
I’ll have to look into Silat drills. I like the seated punch idea. I study functional patterns for about 5 years and really understood better the importance of rotational force better
@@sacredboxing yeah trying to generate power for a punch as well as parry one when sat cross legged on the floor with someone really forces awareness of rotation and what your back actually has to do. Also really plays well into the circular footwork and movements of the art but can be adapted by high level boxers.
Great content.
Thank you both very much.
Especially interesting to me because a Tai Chi teacher taught me this years ago.
It's a whole body twisting movement.
I learned that from kungfu sensai told me when I punch to throw my opposing elbow back like I'm hitting something behind me
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mike saw a black man and assumed he had been in jail, love it
It comes from everything turning together. You don't push on a correct punch you whip and stop but it starts from the floor up.
Pivoting your foot is optional, but rotating your torso isn’t
I see Icy Mike, I click.
I learned this before from some king fu video but completelyyyy forgot and was back focusing on only my hips and feet. This is so important to be conscious of. Preciate you SB! 🥊 🔥
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Ive been wondering how to work out my back without weights the elbow lifts sound great ill try um out
Gold.
Ramsey Dewey has a good video on this :)
Fucking Mike 🤣 "You've never been to prison?"
I really love how you explain things, its clear and the explanations are thorough
Newton’s 3rd!
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Take my sub ! I noticed this technique from the one and only Iron Mike Tyson trying to figure out where his power came from.
Been a long time sub of Icy Mike's
i've seen stuff on youtube from kung fu folks with a very similar concept regarding the opposite side (arm shoulder back) pulling as a counterweight to really drive the punching side into the target. (heck! looking back i think it might've been a sensei seth video)
its so interesting to see similarities in understanding body mechanics and functions develop from different styles and fighting arts around the world. love the lessons and videos! i've been learning so much!
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I always try to practice for speed and power, I try to relax before I punch 👊 and just when I hit the target contract the punch 👊 then relax again ,for me it works and I can get lots of power like that and speed👊🙏
Thanks coach sacred boxing. More videos please like a footwork videos, and Angles. Anything you see would be beneficial to learn☺️
I got some in the chamber 🔑🔑
Great instruction.
Agree your shoulder width takes account for a lot of power becaouse it acts as a lever, but a real place where power comes from is just a weight transfer the more weight shift the more rotation also. As a small detail like you said moving your head to the side it simply also adding more weight transfer
Love this advice for better striking! My girlfriend isn’t gonna stand a chance now!
Coach Jared! Solid tip with the kettle-bell, will need to add this to my routine and reap the benefits to my punching.
And yes, we all lie to our kids ;9
Another great video, much love and respect, thank you again =)
😆 thanks! Glad you got some value
@@sacredboxing it is not a lie tho Santa is real
Very interesting! Does help explain why so many boxers have such developed upper back musculature.
Sympathetic Compensation can cause one to favor a movement that is uncoordinated. Training wrong concepts can be lasting detriments. Fight having a weak side. Equalize.
Made a subscriber out of me! I love this collaboration!
Dope video. Gotta work on power with the new knowledge
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Definitely love this video, simply explaining the truth with demonstration and logic, and a bit of fun, you 2 are such great characters or persons, from Italy i really thank you, i just watch your videos and learn something new and also i can refresh my mind rewatching also the basics! Great job Guys!
And from nothing i would like to give compliments for the logo, cause it's well made!
Keep going!🥊♥️
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I heard this a few years ago and it was life changing, great lesson
I also use this intent of throwing the shoulder back when I'm kicking
It would be interesting to see the difference in power output using Sensei Seth's PowerKube.
Actually punching is quite complicated and there are many different ways to do it. I know that sounds crazy 🤪 like there is only one way to punch, but that is an illusion. Anyways great content, keep up the great work of sharing and teaching.....
Thanks!
A Karate Nerd should explain this for Kicks :)
Great content as always !
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I love this! I'm not that into boxing, but this is just so fascinating. Of course tons of martial arts steal from boxing so...aaanyway. This is almost scientific--which, being a nerd, I absolutely love. Fantastic video, Jared! Keep it up.
Awesome. I learned this rotation years ago from a very skilled instructor.
Thanks for dropping some knowledge. I’m gonna start practicing the mind muscle connection for the opposite side of the back
it's obviously the whole chain of the movement that makes the power. it adds up. you can break up the chain into parts and isolate them and in all of them the fist will move. while most part of the chain kind of comes naturaly, the rotation doesn't. so it makes sense to teach people "it comes from the hips"
hajime no ippo explained this concept when takamura notice how weak miyatas punches are. the reason is his back are so stiff.
So...I agree that the back adds power, but I think its wrong to characterize it as the source of power.
Ultimately, what Mike first said was right. All power does come out of the ground, because -- by the most basic principles of physics -- you generate power by pushing against something. If you did the shoulder rotation while floating in a weightless vacuum, then you'd just spin in place. Its the firm footing pushing against the ground that allows the body -- through the "kinetic chain" -- to transform the rotational energy of the shoulders, the hips, and even the hand (turning over the knuckles) into the linear force of the strike.
So, yes, the shoulder rotation adds power, but only because the earlier stages of the chain (foot, hips, etc.) are also good...thus creating an efficient kinetic chain. Its actually most accurate to say that "striking power comes from body coordination" and not from any one joint. But (like Mike sort of said) we explain it in pieces ("power comes from the feet/hips/back/shoulder" because that's how humans usually learn things (like you said "too much information" at once) -- we build/fix parts and then assemble them into a working whole.
The reason we say "you can't teach power, power is born" is because body coordination and efficiency of movement is something that some people just have a natural instinct for.
The exercise you did with the kettle bell on your back can lead to the false idea that the feet don't matter. In that exercise you don't have footing, but your shoulder is in a position to push directing against the ground. That's an artificial position -- its good for isolating/strengthening the muscles as an exercise, but it doesn't reflect the human body's natural mechanics for striking because the human body is not designed to efficiently project force off its back.
www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a3093/the-science-of-bruce-lees-one-inch-punch-16814527/
www.neurotour.com/blog/how-to-generate-torque-in-boxing
That's why Deontay Wilder is so powerful. Joe Rogan said his back looks like a bunch of snakes wrapped around each other.
Well I see it as the back heel comes up and turns till it faces the straight ahead. That gets ours hips square which is our load for the punch. That tightens the muscle on the side of the hip and the oblique. Then we turn that opposite shoulder back and tighten our ab from the side the punch comes out of. That gives us the snap from two opposite forces meeting. And the back twitching with the hip moving is just recoil..... all that said this is just my view. Excellent videos man 🤙
the rotation of the body comes from the abs, not the back muscles
The thing I don't like about pull the opposite shoulder back is: How am I meant to focus on pulling my rear shoulder back when the goal is to use my other hand to hit a target? It's too distracting from actually aiming at the target. I'm just gonna aim at the target and punch with desired arm.
Ramsey Dewey (boxing coach on youtube) has some tips. When you're practicing shadow boxing or bag, try extending your left punch first on the target, it's the starting point of you combo then you pull back as if you're chaining the 2nd punch. It's more natural to practice this way as the first hand is already coming back to protect your chin as you pull back there's a little bit counter movement for your right hand launching.
Karate reverse punch kinda tries to take full advantage emphasizing on this
Finaly somebody who understands how it actually works,punching power is TORQUE,you dont torque with your quads ,and only somewhat with your glutes ,the real power is in the torso,its the lat and chest,and its the serape complex(rhomboids,serratus anterior,obliques)deontay wilder has small legs,but his back?
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Are saying the karate punch is awesome, some have the same theory.
@icymike. Imagine and focus on twisting ur spine like a corkscrew instead of moving shoulders back. The more you concentrate on this the more you can feel ur muscles gliding around your spine.
All martial arts comes from the spine
Pulling the hand back? Very similar to karates hikite 😉
I will simply add what others said, this is pretty much the same as Chinese/Japanese striking arts body mechanics
Could you do a video where you can explain boxing organizations / weight classes / titles / belts ect... there are so many of each of these thing, some of us just don't know what it ACTUALLY means to be a champion in class A under ABC blah blah blah. As opposed to C under XYZ....like bruh...help..
🤔 yeah the alphabet soup. I’ll see what I can do
I learned some of my fathers karate and spent alot of time solo with the back and forth pull and push retraction to extending arm opposite side training of punches. I got used to just using my shoulder the one arm going back of one to make the other go even before I learned how to use my hip in line with the shoulder or at the end of the punch. Im friends with a dude who used to boxing and a good bit of boxing mechanics are different then karate some similar though depending on the style etc. Izzo wing chun talks about the opposite side pulling to push the other as well.
That bag Mike keeps kicking I've never seen one what's it called I want one. Does it fall over easy. What do u use it for.
I have seen it but not sure the name of it
It doesn’t fall over easy
Does anyone else think this looks a little like karate?
Power is generated by contracting chains of muscles and simultaneaously relaxing their antagonists, pushing off an unyielding surface, usually the ground, into a target.
How is that? :-)
Yep love it
@@sacredboxing Thanks! :-)
Did you catch the indirect connection between the relaxing of antagonists and your point about rotating the opposite shoulder backwards?
who's laughing at the hikite now huh ;)