Circumference of an Ellipse

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  • @TheOrganicChemistryTutor
    @TheOrganicChemistryTutor  Рік тому +2

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  • @georgesadler7830
    @georgesadler7830 Рік тому +3

    Professor Organic Chemistry Tutor, thank you for a powerful analysis of the Circumference of an Ellipse in Calculus Two. The integrals in this video are difficult to evaluate in closed form. These integrals are known as Elliptic Integrals. This is an error free video/lecture on UA-cam TV with the Organic Chemistry Tutor.

  • @therockthatlookslikeapiece419
    @therockthatlookslikeapiece419 9 місяців тому +1

    here is another integral to calculate the circumference of an ellipse i found using the arc length formula:
    2(integral from -a to a of sqrt(1+(b^2x^2)/(a^4-a^2x^2))dx)
    an alternate form is 4 times the same integral but from 0 to a

  • @tylerfryman1855
    @tylerfryman1855 6 років тому +17

    Can you give a short explanation of why the shortcuts work in approximations please?

  • @REddy-u5q
    @REddy-u5q Місяць тому

    A few years back I figured out an easy calculation to use in a pinch that is about 98-99% accurate. Assume "a" is the longer axis, "b" is the shorter axis. Axis being the radius distance from the center. For ellipses with an a/b ratio up to around 5/1, use Perimeter = [(3.7a/b)+2.4]b.
    If you get into more extreme ellipses, for an a/b ratio up to 10/1, use P = [(3.84a/b)+2]b. For a/b ratio up to 15/1, use P = [(3.9a/b)+1.7]b. For up to 20/1, P = [(3.93a/b)+1.55]b.
    You can also use a polynomial function (for whatever crazy reason). For a/b ratios up to around 5/1 try, P = [(0.072a/b)^2 + 3.26a/b + 2.93]b. For a/b ratios up to 20/1, try P = [(0.007a/b)^2 + 3.78a/b + 2.1]b.

  • @sugongshow
    @sugongshow 9 місяців тому

    Thank you very much for your awesome instruction, prof. I appreciate it.

  • @Jkauppa
    @Jkauppa 2 роки тому +1

    a better form of the ellipse equation is: f(x)=y=b*sqrt(1-x^2), where b is the ratio b:a when a=1, a=b=1 when circle, so you get to substitute the circle (1/4) perimeter when b=1, which is (1/2)*pi (times r), which implies that the general 2d ellipse perimeter is 2*pi*r*b

    • @Jkauppa
      @Jkauppa 2 роки тому

      this approach relies on the line integral from 0-1 of sqrt(1-x^2) being (1/2)*pi, or (1/4) of perimeter of the circle

  • @Inspirator_AG112
    @Inspirator_AG112 3 роки тому +4

    _This is a Cross-Post._
    I actually discovered *4(a + b) - ln(4a + 1)* at ~10AM on 08/04/2021 as my own Approximation! It only ever reaches 1.6813% (-When b = 1) error and eventually approaches 0.0297% error.

    • @Inspirator_AG112
      @Inspirator_AG112 3 роки тому +1

      I found a more general Approximation of *4(a + b) - ln(4a/b + 1)b.* It always maxes at only 1.6813% error.

    • @chickencyanide9964
      @chickencyanide9964 Рік тому +1

      what was ur method?

    • @Inspirator_AG112
      @Inspirator_AG112 Рік тому +1

      @@chickencyanide9964: It actually approaches 0% (correction 1 year later). I took the derivative of an ellipse function. An approximation of that happened to contain an x⁻¹ term.

  • @pythagoreanrunner6288
    @pythagoreanrunner6288 6 років тому +6

    can you please do a video on series for calculus?

  • @anuraagrapaka2385
    @anuraagrapaka2385 4 роки тому +5

    23:32 how should i integrate that function?
    Can you please help me with that!! None of the online integral calculators seem to give me the result of integral :(

    • @bjarkehammerbakpaluszewski6219
      @bjarkehammerbakpaluszewski6219 4 роки тому +2

      It is not possible to integrate it with elementary functions as far as i know

    • @stuartyeo5354
      @stuartyeo5354 4 роки тому +1

      @@bjarkehammerbakpaluszewski6219 ye you need non elementary funnctions, that is the elliptic integral.

    • @natevanderw
      @natevanderw 4 роки тому

      unless e=1, in which case you get a circle, there is no closed form for that integral.

    • @anuraagrapaka2385
      @anuraagrapaka2385 4 роки тому +1

      @@natevanderw e=1 is a parabola

    • @anuraagrapaka2385
      @anuraagrapaka2385 4 роки тому

      @@natevanderw but ya got ur point

  • @-etaq8474
    @-etaq8474 4 роки тому +2

    16:43 ... Hey, I just found a minor mistake. For ellipses, x should be acosθ, y should be bsinθ. You actually used x=asinθ to calculate the limits of the integration for θ.

    • @sharpnova2
      @sharpnova2 4 роки тому +3

      you're right but it will still work because of symmetry

  • @AdolfKambinda-f8p
    @AdolfKambinda-f8p 5 місяців тому

    What if you have a quarter of the ellipse?

  • @IceCreamMilkshake777
    @IceCreamMilkshake777 4 роки тому

    whats the d(theta) for?

  • @jjscraft225
    @jjscraft225 4 роки тому +2

    Thank u so much..may allah bless you😊

  • @anilkumarsharma8901
    @anilkumarsharma8901 2 роки тому

    Curvature and circumference relationship in oval shaped

  • @IceCreamMilkshake777
    @IceCreamMilkshake777 4 роки тому +3

    i imputed in an online calculator and it said it cant be solved :(

  • @seanjenkins6947
    @seanjenkins6947 5 років тому +3

    2:04 ... and ya lost me. Someday it’ll make sense 😞

    • @CRLScholar
      @CRLScholar 5 років тому +1

      That days is the next day after you have finished a calculus course. Which part confused you?

    • @natevanderw
      @natevanderw 4 роки тому

      He is using first parametrizing and then using arc length formula. It is not explained well at all. I would not feel bad.

  • @nyunai298
    @nyunai298 3 роки тому

    Can you finish the integral ?

    • @notzucc7237
      @notzucc7237 3 роки тому +1

      you can't do it with elementary functions

  • @neoyabis6508
    @neoyabis6508 4 роки тому +2

    Circumference of an ellipse is very very hard...

  • @heimdall1973
    @heimdall1973 4 роки тому +2

    23:27 "So this..." - then you extend the square root right over d(theta). So wrong on many levels.
    Also, you may confuse some with your double use of c, one being a^2-b^2, the other being the circumference.
    But then, your video is so nerdy that mainly only nerds and geeks will watch it, and they will know exactly what you meant.

  • @codegoergosum1066
    @codegoergosum1066 4 роки тому +2

    What a JOKE!... You FAILED to solve for the definite integral!

    • @notzucc7237
      @notzucc7237 3 роки тому +5

      it's not possible to evaluate that integral with elementary functions

    • @georgecantu856
      @georgecantu856 2 роки тому +5

      Homie see an integral symbol and assumes it’s incomplete 🤡

    • @deorajkaulesarsingh3520
      @deorajkaulesarsingh3520 11 місяців тому +1

      Try to do it!

    • @erdos73
      @erdos73 Місяць тому

      Are you 13 years old?