NCAP hasn't lost the plot on its own devices, but the auto market's 🐓 measuring contests have made safety features unequally accessible but desirable higher trim options. It's much easier to tuck in profit for perceived more safety advancement and goodies like rear view cameras that are a fraction of the cost added to the price. It became the tail that wagged the dog instead of taking into consideration of sustainability regulating safety for all not safety for the sales incentive of being the best competing 5 star achiever. A class cars are as safer if not safer than a 5 star medium sized car would've been around 2010. But for profit purposes there's far fewer choices of new A segment city cars some with +10year old chassis that are not given the extra R&D such as safety or electrification when a replacement crossover can pack in more "value for money" at exceeding prices. Example Toyota AygoX and YarisX
Agree I drive alot of new cars and it's all just reminding me of how poor people's driving is when we need 15 assistance to drive down a road. Drive a 24 hyundai santa fe and within 5 mins the annoying beeps and steering control becomes unbearable. They need to stop it
No other reviewer has ever felt sick. Rubbish test. Focus on the car rather than your egos and terrible acting skills. Think about the intended market.
I have a 72 plate jogger x treme paid 17,900 for it new after discount and its been brilliant, my kids never feel sick and i drive round lincolnshire b roads all the time at pace and its mint , no other journos /testers gave it such a low score as 5th gear ...
10/10 for factory installed LPG !!! Not a single word about this huge advantage that is way more important to average Dacia buyer than few more NCAP stars. In general 90% of all Dacia models sold in EU are with ECO-G LPG engine. Very cheap to run, cheap to buy and very decent looking cars.
Nobody drives a car like this around a track at speed. In the real world this car satisfies most people’s needs for a good reasonably comfortable budget car.
I have one, had it 2 years. Other cars in our family include a 7 seat Land Rover Discovery. We have 4 kids - now all adults. If 2 of these testers felt sick I suggest they take it up with their catering. What nonsense. No one ever felt sick in ours. Great car. Cheap as chips. A little basic, but everything works, standard Renault switchgear.
What a crap review. Just done for cheap UA-cam rubbish. I have two of them and never have a problem. The one star rate is for lack of electronic rubbish that never works and makes the driver lazy. Never ever have I had passengers feeling sick in the back, that was just a put on for cheap car journalism. I have the hybrid and it piss on BMW M3's at the traffic lights as you get instant power. Also on a 100 mile run from London to Leicester that I do every week at 58mph, I get 75-80mpg. Normally this channel does quite good reviews but it this one was utter tripe. It's a £23k seven seater car that does what it says on this tin. All you lot want is the glitz and glamour cars that are bought by people with more money than sense just because it has a posh badge on it. If that Jogger was badged as Renault like they are in some countries you would be all over it! #unsubscribed.
Easy at the lights. M3s are just ponsey BMW's that are overrated. With any electric or hybrid you get instant power unlike BMW drivers who can't even get instant brain power😂😂😂@@electricm4dness344
An entire, 7 seater car for the price of optional paint finish on a few cars that reviewers drool over. It's so easy to like a dream machine, but let's get real here...
"Lane Keep Assist" software is something that many owners of other cars turn off immediately. It's just crazy that it's an NCAP feature. NCAP should be based on what happens in a crash and nothing else because you could be hit head-on by a car without electronic "safety features".
The one star ncap rating seems to be for a number of things like 70% rating for driver and passenger safety not just the " safety systems . " A few more air bags might come in handy !
Seems to be an very distant outlier to all other Jogger reviews. Just picked up Extreme Hybrid Jogger yesterday. We opted for the upholstery guard etc to protect against spillage and the car did whiff with unpleasant fumes which will be temporary and is normal. Just wondering if this is what caused the nausea feeling reported in this vid. Plan to travel long distance will teenagers so hopefully no above normal nausea sensations - will report back in few months. The extreme version comes with a lot of safety tec which the one star rating doesn't reflect. I would recommend doing the research first before coming to any judgement. Apparently quite a no cars that were given a 4 to 5 star safety rating pre 22/23 would only be given 1-2 stars in 24. Update Jan 25 : Just carried out a return journey from Newcastle Upon Tyne to Manchester Airport. 162 miles each way with 3 passengers ( two teenage boys 14 and 15 and 2 adults). No one once expressed any feelings of being nauseous. I was the driver on both legs - I'm 6 ft and had the 5ft 10in ( and growing) teenager sitting behind me - plenty of leg room for both parties. Also third row was popular with 2nd teenager reporting that he found it very relaxing. For luggage we had 3 large 20kg bags and 4 back pack. I've configured the third row as one of the seat tumbled forward ( not removed) and had plenty of room for all luggage. Fuel economy very good (mostly motorway). Filled tank up at start of journey and was around was 35% full by the end of it. All in all a v comfortable trip with the jogger.
About 9 minutes into this video Rory praises the jogger suspension. No mention of wallowing or nausea here. 🤔 ua-cam.com/video/qmUYvmvw9_Q/v-deo.htmlsi=FUUNtdKhjhd4oTze
I had a Jogger Extreme SE when it first came out. Was a great car to drive, extremely practical and well priced, but the 1.0tce is terrible. Sure, it can get the car moving but it is a very aggressive engine. I was also lucky enough to have a catalogue of problems with my gearbox and flywheel. A well known issue if you look on tbe forums. My car needed a new flywheel and had 2 recalls after only 12000 miles/18 months. I sold it and moved to a car i planned on keeping temporarily, but now i want to keep it because it is so good for what it does, an 18 month old Suzuki Vitara SZ5 1.4T Allgrip. It's far exceeded my expectations.
2023 model Jogger Extreme 1.0tce leased car here... The problem with the clutch/flywheel was caused by a dodgy batch from the supplier (affected other car makes as well). The harshness of the engine was fixed by a software update (AKA an ECU remap) at our first service. It meant the power started coming in at lower revs compared to the pre-update state. I didn't really like the power delivery before, and was already looking for a different vehicle to get at the end of the lease. After the update I'm now hoping for a good deal from Motability at the end of the 3 year contract so that I can buy this one from them!
That review was ridiculous. I find body control excellent and the engine really torquey. The seatbelt issue is a non issue. Luggage space with all seats is comparable to many compact seven seaters. You also got the capacities wrong. And why take a seven seater family car on the handling track? The final straw for me was the blow up dolls, signalling that you weren’t prepared to take it seriously at all. Really poor journalism.
Thank you, I also found this review rather distasteful. I'm looking into buying this car as I'm a bit tired pouring money into second hand beaters and the family has grown large in the last years. Could you also comment on the car's reliability?
@ Hi. I did have the well documented issue with the flywheel, which affected a batch of cars built in 2023. The flywheel failed at 4000 miles and was replaced under warranty, along with the clutch, release bearing and a software update. I have now completed 10,000 miles with no further issues. Reading the forums the issue was caused by a substandard flywheel which has now been superseded by a new part.
Make the same test with new DUSTER ... Probably the best new car on this planet. For that ammount of money has no direct rival ... Ithas everything as " big boys " except their price ... It looks OK + FUN TO DRIVE ...
Ive that colour in the hybrid.. awesome versatile family car for the money. The fact its selling so well across Europe tells u something top gear team.. or should do. Rubbish score for a great car.
When cheap cars get... when they are not as cheap anymore, they just don't make sense. Couple of thousand bucks more and one can get a decent car from this segment.
Imagine a Jogger but in a more upright roofline like a Skoda Roadster, VW Caddy or Citroen Picasso C4 Imagine if it was electric too. VW ID BUZZ just underwhelms in actual purposeful design
23k cheap??? In what world??? 23k for an unsafe, underpowered, vom inducing ride....I don't think so! Nah, I'll stick with a really nice, well specked, safe nearly new, second hand car and save myself 10k and possibly my family's lives.
Estareis acostumbrados a probar solo vehículos premium, porque sino no entendería esta prueba, me parece un auto, que sin ser maravilloso, es honesto, no destaca en nada especialmente, pero no es un mal producto, y sobre todo es asequible por su precio. No me hablen de hace 5 o 10 años, hablo de ahora, buscadme un vehículo de 7 plazas, moderno, por este precio. Solo después de hacerlo, podeis puntuar al Jogger con 4, 5 o 6 puntos. Yo a vosotros os puntuo 2, 3 y 4 puntos, sobre 30. Muy malos. No os importará, pero acabais de perder un subscriptor 😢
@@simonleary2912 yeah fifth gear was never that fun, they usually are more about the serious average buyer and actually reviewing cars than testing them to a limit no one does .
Have you bothered to look at why it lost points? Nothing wrong with the safety cage or structure of the car. Just lost because it doesn't beep if you drift out of lane and won't automatically brake if a pedestrian steps in front of you.
@@markr8380had the latter feature on a Skoda kamiq - twice in 8 months car came to an immediate stop on a busy road when someone stepped off pavement on other side of road whilst waiting to cross after we'd passed. Very dangerous for cars behind us and gave us quite a shock. Far too sensitive and quite a faff to turn it off before every journey so got rid of car
1.0L to carry SEVEN people? It may be cheap, but that is RIDICULOUS, even if it is Turbo Charged. I'll give it 30k miles before it needs a new engine and gearbox. What a pile of utter shyyyte!
actually it's pretty much enough. baggage + caravan + roofbox, 3 people inside, cannot say that it is extremely lacking. Only while accelerating to 90-100km/h, then you just don't feel the lack of power. 70kkm in of everyday use. don't forget, it's cheap. there is no other car on the market that is this roomy, practical and that cheap. Also it does pretty fine offroading, quite high clearance, no issues going through the forest ruts.
At 37,000 miles and faultless so far for me. It's actually fine for power - far better than you'd imagine. Better than 1.6 hdi peugeot 308 I had before. For reference, I also have a supercharged lotus in my garage so don't tend to hang about.
That review was ridiculous. I find body control excellent and the engine really torquey. The seatbelt issue is a non issue. Luggage space with all seats is comparable to many compact seven seaters. You also got the capacities wrong. And why take a seven seater family car on the handling track? The final straw for me was the blow up dolls, signalling that you weren’t prepared to take it seriously at all. Really poor journalism.
The fact that Euro NCAP now rates cars on features that mean you should still consider a car that scores poorly shows that NCAP have lost the plot.
NCAP hasn't lost the plot on its own devices, but the auto market's 🐓 measuring contests have made safety features unequally accessible but desirable higher trim options. It's much easier to tuck in profit for perceived more safety advancement and goodies like rear view cameras that are a fraction of the cost added to the price.
It became the tail that wagged the dog instead of taking into consideration of sustainability regulating safety for all not safety for the sales incentive of being the best competing 5 star achiever. A class cars are as safer if not safer than a 5 star medium sized car would've been around 2010. But for profit purposes there's far fewer choices of new A segment city cars some with +10year old chassis that are not given the extra R&D such as safety or electrification when a replacement crossover can pack in more "value for money" at exceeding prices. Example Toyota AygoX and YarisX
Agree I drive alot of new cars and it's all just reminding me of how poor people's driving is when we need 15 assistance to drive down a road. Drive a 24 hyundai santa fe and within 5 mins the annoying beeps and steering control becomes unbearable. They need to stop it
Yup, NCAP means nothing now.
If you have to rely on cameras/tech to drive for you .. maybe time to turn in your driver’s license.
Because it isn’t as safe. 😂
I've had mine for 2 years and nobody has ever felt sick in the back. Then again I don't chuck it round a handling track...
Same here and my family and I have driven cross around Europa. Nothing to complain about here!
No other reviewer has ever felt sick. Rubbish test. Focus on the car rather than your egos and terrible acting skills. Think about the intended market.
I have a 72 plate jogger x treme paid 17,900 for it new after discount and its been brilliant, my kids never feel sick and i drive round lincolnshire b roads all the time at pace and its mint , no other journos /testers gave it such a low score as 5th gear ...
10/10 for factory installed LPG !!!
Not a single word about this huge advantage that is way more important to average Dacia buyer than few more NCAP stars.
In general 90% of all Dacia models sold in EU are with ECO-G LPG engine.
Very cheap to run, cheap to buy and very decent looking cars.
I think is not available in UK. Only TCe110 and hybrid.
Nobody drives a car like this around a track at speed. In the real world this car satisfies most people’s needs for a good reasonably comfortable budget car.
I have one, had it 2 years. Other cars in our family include a 7 seat Land Rover Discovery. We have 4 kids - now all adults. If 2 of these testers felt sick I suggest they take it up with their catering. What nonsense. No one ever felt sick in ours. Great car. Cheap as chips. A little basic, but everything works, standard Renault switchgear.
What a crap review. Just done for cheap UA-cam rubbish. I have two of them and never have a problem. The one star rate is for lack of electronic rubbish that never works and makes the driver lazy. Never ever have I had passengers feeling sick in the back, that was just a put on for cheap car journalism. I have the hybrid and it piss on BMW M3's at the traffic lights as you get instant power. Also on a 100 mile run from London to Leicester that I do every week at 58mph, I get 75-80mpg. Normally this channel does quite good reviews but it this one was utter tripe. It's a £23k seven seater car that does what it says on this tin. All you lot want is the glitz and glamour cars that are bought by people with more money than sense just because it has a posh badge on it. If that Jogger was badged as Renault like they are in some countries you would be all over it! #unsubscribed.
Is that seatbelt thing for real?
If it is that is an epic fail.
Bye
@@oscars4107the seatbelt is nowhere near your face when in the back seat. Total exaggeration. My passengers never complain.
You ain't beating any m3s off the line 😂 especially if your the type of person to do 58 mph on the motorway 😂
Easy at the lights. M3s are just ponsey BMW's that are overrated. With any electric or hybrid you get instant power unlike BMW drivers who can't even get instant brain power😂😂😂@@electricm4dness344
why are these 3 still in a job
An entire, 7 seater car for the price of optional paint finish on a few cars that reviewers drool over. It's so easy to like a dream machine, but let's get real here...
The Fifth Gear team gang is back :) :) Dacia is getting legendary status here in Slovenia with its Duster ;)
They need to bring Tiff back
I did Kent to Wales and back. Not one person was car sick and at 62mpg and a heated seat i was happy too.
"Lane Keep Assist" software is something that many owners of other cars turn off immediately. It's just crazy that it's an NCAP feature. NCAP should be based on what happens in a crash and nothing else because you could be hit head-on by a car without electronic "safety features".
The one star ncap rating seems to be for a number of things like 70% rating for driver and passenger safety not just the " safety systems . " A few more air bags might come in handy !
Seems to be an very distant outlier to all other Jogger reviews. Just picked up Extreme Hybrid Jogger yesterday. We opted for the upholstery guard etc to protect against spillage and the car did whiff with unpleasant fumes which will be temporary and is normal. Just wondering if this is what caused the nausea feeling reported in this vid. Plan to travel long distance will teenagers so hopefully no above normal nausea sensations - will report back in few months. The extreme version comes with a lot of safety tec which the one star rating doesn't reflect. I would recommend doing the research first before coming to any judgement. Apparently quite a no cars that were given a 4 to 5 star safety rating pre 22/23 would only be given 1-2 stars in 24.
Update Jan 25 : Just carried out a return journey from Newcastle Upon Tyne to Manchester Airport. 162 miles each way with 3 passengers ( two teenage boys 14 and 15 and 2 adults). No one once expressed any feelings of being nauseous. I was the driver on both legs - I'm 6 ft and had the 5ft 10in ( and growing) teenager sitting behind me - plenty of leg room for both parties. Also third row was popular with 2nd teenager reporting that he found it very relaxing. For luggage we had 3 large 20kg bags and 4 back pack. I've configured the third row as one of the seat tumbled forward ( not removed) and had plenty of room for all luggage. Fuel economy very good (mostly motorway). Filled tank up at start of journey and was around was 35% full by the end of it. All in all a v comfortable trip with the jogger.
Switched off when i saw Rory. He ran top gear to the ground. Such a shame. I liked 5th gear. 😢
What do you mean , ran top gear to the ground? Is it cause he is black huh
The 1.6 hybrid is better , 60mpg and my 74 reg has all the safety kit too
More estate car than an SUV 👍🏻
Good test most journalists wouldnt have tested all 3 rows on the road , great looking car for the money just not cracking for occupants.
My motorcycle has a larger engine. Why does it look like an off road van? & why would they name it jogger?
"Yea i drive a jogger"
Dacia is the Opinel of cars, cheap, reliable, hip and iconic
When/if my skoda yeti packs in ill get this as a replacement
That is precisely what we did, it will do exactly the job you want it to do
Seen a Duster in the right trim and colour (blue) and that was very nice looking car.
About 9 minutes into this video Rory praises the jogger suspension. No mention of wallowing or nausea here. 🤔 ua-cam.com/video/qmUYvmvw9_Q/v-deo.htmlsi=FUUNtdKhjhd4oTze
That's pretty odd alright.
Does anyone know what tv channel fifth gear comes on and when?
Lol.
I had a Jogger Extreme SE when it first came out. Was a great car to drive, extremely practical and well priced, but the 1.0tce is terrible. Sure, it can get the car moving but it is a very aggressive engine. I was also lucky enough to have a catalogue of problems with my gearbox and flywheel. A well known issue if you look on tbe forums. My car needed a new flywheel and had 2 recalls after only 12000 miles/18 months. I sold it and moved to a car i planned on keeping temporarily, but now i want to keep it because it is so good for what it does, an 18 month old Suzuki Vitara SZ5 1.4T Allgrip. It's far exceeded my expectations.
2023 model Jogger Extreme 1.0tce leased car here...
The problem with the clutch/flywheel was caused by a dodgy batch from the supplier (affected other car makes as well).
The harshness of the engine was fixed by a software update (AKA an ECU remap) at our first service. It meant the power started coming in at lower revs compared to the pre-update state.
I didn't really like the power delivery before, and was already looking for a different vehicle to get at the end of the lease. After the update I'm now hoping for a good deal from Motability at the end of the 3 year contract so that I can buy this one from them!
the car is so versatile
£22k as a budget and all the passengers will vomit.... 👎👎👎
All my kids get travel sick... But not in my Citroen, which has good suspension.
I must be getting old 22 grand cheap?, look at the price of cars in China, western car world real messed up
Hey pus , do chinese cars even exist?
Budget car 😂 it's 22 grand 😂
Its budget for a new seven seater
Serious money but look at the alternatives 😃
@Michel-r6m true true but for 22k there are some better motors 😂 so much dacia being being the cheapest anymore 😂
@@michaelsparkes3688 name these better motors for less than £22k?
That review was ridiculous. I find body control excellent and the engine really torquey. The seatbelt issue is a non issue. Luggage space with all seats is comparable to many compact seven seaters. You also got the capacities wrong. And why take a seven seater family car on the handling track? The final straw for me was the blow up dolls, signalling that you weren’t prepared to take it seriously at all. Really poor journalism.
Thank you, I also found this review rather distasteful. I'm looking into buying this car as I'm a bit tired pouring money into second hand beaters and the family has grown large in the last years. Could you also comment on the car's reliability?
@ Hi. I did have the well documented issue with the flywheel, which affected a batch of cars built in 2023. The flywheel failed at 4000 miles and was replaced under warranty, along with the clutch, release bearing and a software update. I have now completed 10,000 miles with no further issues. Reading the forums the issue was caused by a substandard flywheel which has now been superseded by a new part.
Make the same test with new DUSTER ... Probably the best new car on this planet. For that ammount of money has no direct rival ... Ithas everything as " big boys " except their price ... It looks OK + FUN TO DRIVE ...
Also test the Dacia Spring!!!
Should have called it the Dacia Dogger with all that interior space...
Ive that colour in the hybrid.. awesome versatile family car for the money. The fact its selling so well across Europe tells u something top gear team.. or should do. Rubbish score for a great car.
They need a reality check. Where on earth can you get a dual fuel automatic at that price. They are hopeless.
When cheap cars get... when they are not as cheap anymore, they just don't make sense. Couple of thousand bucks more and one can get a decent car from this segment.
Erm, nearest rival in the uk is a VW Touran which starts at £38k.
@@eddieallen6401 VW Caddy which is the direct competitor starts at 27k (no promo, regular price), so allow me to disagree :)
@@TestAndReview£29,815 in lwb 7 seat version. So about £9k more than my top spec 1.0 TCe Extreme.
200k that's wrong there's 2 million dacias in uk
What if those dolls explode 😂
Imagine a Jogger but in a more upright roofline like a Skoda Roadster, VW Caddy or Citroen Picasso C4
Imagine if it was electric too. VW ID BUZZ just underwhelms in actual purposeful design
A hybrid version will be released soon
Who fills up a car with 7 adults? Only testers.
Oookkkk
Hybrid version is better , good job DACIA
Great and honest review! Thank you!
Crap review. I have to Joggers and run the owners club so I know more than those muppets
I'm glad the dude got a good gig, he was great on topgear.
William 0:19
Fifth gear is naff
23k cheap???
In what world???
23k for an unsafe, underpowered, vom inducing ride....I don't think so!
Nah, I'll stick with a really nice, well specked, safe nearly new, second hand car and save myself 10k and possibly my family's lives.
You know, the lady presenter could have sat in the right hand back seat, since there where only six of you. Unnecessary complaint about the seatbelt.
For 22k you can get 3 years old low miles Toyota RAV4 hybrid with better interior and superior quality over that death trap😕
Death trap😂😂. Tell me how safe a Rav4 is with 7 people in it.?
I drive one at work and it's garbage
Estareis acostumbrados a probar solo vehículos premium, porque sino no entendería esta prueba, me parece un auto, que sin ser maravilloso, es honesto, no destaca en nada especialmente, pero no es un mal producto, y sobre todo es asequible por su precio. No me hablen de hace 5 o 10 años, hablo de ahora, buscadme un vehículo de 7 plazas, moderno, por este precio.
Solo después de hacerlo, podeis puntuar al Jogger con 4, 5 o 6 puntos.
Yo a vosotros os puntuo 2, 3 y 4 puntos, sobre 30. Muy malos. No os importará, pero acabais de perder un subscriptor 😢
Please could you do a whistlin diesel type review 😂, it'd make great content
They wouldn't have that much budget
@azhaganvivekanandhan2089 They would after a couple of reviews, spend money to make money and all that.
@@simonleary2912 yeah fifth gear was never that fun, they usually are more about the serious average buyer and actually reviewing cars than testing them to a limit no one does .
`Jogger` 😂
1.0 ,, oh dear ;
Worst review of a car I've ever seen on UA-cam
Auto Trader, TopGear, FifthGear, UA-cam, Rory Reid has done it all and hes damn good at it...
Seeing him with VBH and Plato is just kinda legendary xD
Wonder why he’s moved around so much, what is his driving history?
@@51madmitch i think hes just a really likable, but also just straight GOOD presenter
The black guy has no idea about cars and destroys every show in which he appears.
Why are cars with such a low safety rating being sold
No one needs the asinine electronic 'safety' features 🤣
Have you bothered to look at why it lost points? Nothing wrong with the safety cage or structure of the car. Just lost because it doesn't beep if you drift out of lane and won't automatically brake if a pedestrian steps in front of you.
@@markr8380had the latter feature on a Skoda kamiq - twice in 8 months car came to an immediate stop on a busy road when someone stepped off pavement on other side of road whilst waiting to cross after we'd passed. Very dangerous for cars behind us and gave us quite a shock. Far too sensitive and quite a faff to turn it off before every journey so got rid of car
Almost all cars made before about 5 years ago would have failed those "beep-beep-beep" safety tests.
This car needs a Diesel.
1.0L to carry SEVEN people?
It may be cheap, but that is RIDICULOUS, even if it is Turbo Charged.
I'll give it 30k miles before it needs a new engine and gearbox.
What a pile of utter shyyyte!
25,000 miles later and my moms one is fine.
actually it's pretty much enough. baggage + caravan + roofbox, 3 people inside, cannot say that it is extremely lacking. Only while accelerating to 90-100km/h, then you just don't feel the lack of power. 70kkm in of everyday use. don't forget, it's cheap. there is no other car on the market that is this roomy, practical and that cheap. Also it does pretty fine offroading, quite high clearance, no issues going through the forest ruts.
At 37,000 miles and faultless so far for me. It's actually fine for power - far better than you'd imagine. Better than 1.6 hdi peugeot 308 I had before. For reference, I also have a supercharged lotus in my garage so don't tend to hang about.
@H.K_R Lucky her!
@Peregar4ik Buy one then, I wouldn't!
That review was ridiculous. I find body control excellent and the engine really torquey. The seatbelt issue is a non issue. Luggage space with all seats is comparable to many compact seven seaters. You also got the capacities wrong. And why take a seven seater family car on the handling track? The final straw for me was the blow up dolls, signalling that you weren’t prepared to take it seriously at all. Really poor journalism.