Tim Lerch - Tele Talk - Low tuned Telecasters
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
- Episode Two of Tele Talk. I address my preference for tuning down when playing solo. Two Fender Custom Shop Nocasters with Lollar Pickups, one tuned to Db and the other tuned to Eb. Into a Princeton reverb RI
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my guitar did not come with those chords.
Oh yeah, the "Tele Tremolo". Love it. When the neck screws loosen up a little, it gets even easier. Thanks for the video.
Dwight Housley i was worried about that on my tele, but i guess i can use it to my advantage
I must emphatically agree with you....the NoCaster with the Charlie Christian pickups is my favorite too, to the point that I'm considering putting one of Mr. Lollar's creations in the neck position on my Tele. She's but a Squire, but she feels, plays and sounds as good as any "real" Fender I've ever played, especially through my 4x10 Fender Hot Rod Deville's clean channel with a touch of reverb! Thanks for sharing your point of view, your experience and your amazing talent!
Thanks for sharing. It's a pleasure listing to you play.
Tim--you are describing the parallel/series thing in a good way. This is a bit nerdy, but the reason that parallel pickup combinations sound brighter is that identical inductors in parallel get halved, and the upshot is that the resonant peak of the parallel combination goes UP (just like the in-between positions on a Strat or Tele or Les Paul). Pickups in series go the other way--the resonant peak goes down. The frequency and Q (width) of the peak are key elements of the sound quality for a pickup setting.
Interesting, thanks for that! I had never been a fan of combined pickup sounds at all (unless you count the two coils of a humbucker) until I discovered wiring them in series but out of phase. I always thought combining pickups in parallel sort of 'compressed' the sound too much and lost a lot of the harmonic response. But I don't have that problem in series out of phase, in fact I find I get more harmonic detail. What I mean by that isn't necessarily just pinched harmonics, bit that same sort of thing where you get a different sound from picking in a different place on the string relative to the string length and pickup position.
That Db tele sounds glorious. I could listen to that all day.
Glorious, thank you so much for sharing.
I love these Tele Talk's because they give me pause to go to my tele and challenge myself and it. Thanks Tim.
I like the sound a lot and it makes sense to tune down for solo jazz guitar. Another guy on UA-cam put a bass E and A string on his Tele, tuned down an octave on those two strings only, and leaves the other four string in normal tuning. He was able to get a believable bass sound out of his E and A and the effect was interesting.
bills48321 Who?
You’re so in touch with music!
So glad I discovered your channel. I'm not a jazz cat, but your playing is sublime.
Tim your Tele's are amazing. Thank you for sharing.
Just to say 'Thankyou Tim' !! for sharing your knowledge & skills with us..- just like Ted G' did. I retired earlier this year & your pages are a great help, as I was a Pro-Rock'n' Roller in '58-& thro-60's ( Hamburg & all that ) Dance Band & Cabaret 70's, 80's,then back to my day job for 30 years ( when Punk & Thrash came ,I suffered with nerves & ulcers trying to read mad stuff ) . Your Vid's have uplifted me again..****** Kind Regards & Merry X'mas.
Tim, thank you so much for all of the tips! I've been playing tele all my life and just began playing jazz, and just wasn't getting the right sound, until now. You're the man!
Thanks for the vids. You're a great player without the psycho drama.
I listen to your videos everyday. I like when you talk and the sametime play your guitar.
Absolutely love your approach to playing and tone; very inspiring. Thank you for that
That's beautiful. Nice how it drops in between standard and bari.
Amazing playing and style Tim! Such an awesome player
Thanks so much for this excellent video! I'd been a standard tuning kinda guy forever. But very recently, while restringing my guitar one day and tuning it up toward pitch, I landed on the D with the 6th string and couldn't bring myself to stretch it further. It just felt and sounded great. So I tuned the rest of the strings in relation to that (i.e. D-G-C-F-A-D) and have stayed there since. It's as if I've fallen in love with the guitar all over again! But I do this even though I mostly don't play solo guitar; I typically play in larger groups, but occasionally duets/trios. Yet even in that setting, I feel I can just use my ear to adjust to what's going on, and player higher as needed. Even though I'm matching everyone else's pitch, the timbre is different than it would be in standard tuning, and I really like that sound and feel. Hope that makes sense.
You have great tone and a great approach to musik! Really love your playing!
Sounds fantastic, I'm going to try it. Also, it gives easy access to some different keys when accompanying a singer! So useful to be able to go down three semitones without having to rethink the fingering.
Hi Tim .Just love your sound . Thanks .Mike UK
Both guitars sound so huge! I've been following you for a long time so I know it's your extremely tasteful technique but I really love these dropped tunings / upped gauges. Thanks for sharing Tim!
you are the Mr Rogers of guitar
Now THAT was a very cool and very accurate comment.
Facially, he reminds me of the late Robin Williams.
and Ted Greene was the Bob Ross of guitar
Mr Rogers was great so this is high praise
I tune my Fender Baritone Special HH to C sharp or Db.
Most real book standards sound too high to my ear.
So if I play just reading the chart, the song sounds 1 1/2 steps lower.
I also transpose to sound in the published key, and what this does is move the arrangement 3 frets higher on the fretboard, up into the sweet spot on the neck.
The Baritone scale length gives more room between frets, so playing in the 10th to 14th position is no problem.
I find doing a lot of transposing on the guitar makes my chops stronger.
I love that tone Tim. A great video. Thanks.
Killer tone and playing Tim
Supreme elegance, thank you
Is there ANYTHING a tele can't do? That semi-rhetorical question having been asked, as coincidence would have it, I've been experimenting with down-tuning to C# due to my vocal inability to reach the high notes of some of these crazy rock singers. The jury's still out, though, on how it sounds. Nice playing and great info!
If you'd bet me that you could get a Tele to sound that mellow and rich, I would have lost my money. Perhaps I should stop banging on mine with a plectrum..... Jazz is a black art that has always eluded me but you make it look pretty effortless. Very nicely done.
Great video. Really like the videos where you describe your guitar instruments and how you get your tone/sound.
Thank you Tim! You're so inspiring! I'm more from the rock genre but every time I hear you play I have to pick up some ted Greene and improve my chordskills.
Ah and I ordered a pair of 52 Lollars for my DIY Tele. The next one will get the CC 3 Pickup Configuration like the one you showed in this video.
+AlexisGitarre ah and yup, you brought me on the Ethos Amp too! Really love it.
Great video!
Great stuff as always, thanks Tim!
This is great! I use the same tuning for my acoustic guitar for solo gigs
Amazing playing!!!! Thanks for sharing!!!
Thanks for listening
Hey Tim, just found you recently and couldn't be happier. Love this vid esp. Keep it up !
Subbed.
I really enjoy and value your video's Tim, and have especially enjoyed your recent performance /arrangements on you tg tribute. On tele talk, i would love to here your views on the relationship between solo guitar and piano - for me the deeper tunings, tele sustain and reverb you and tg use so effectively, bring the guitar more in line with the natural properties of the piano, especially for solo jazz ballads - weight with sparkle. Also, i'd love to hear you talk more about ted greene and his influence. Though his lifetime of experimentation with teles, humbuckers, strings and tunings , did tg almost invent a new insrument? It is great to see another musician in ted's liniage take up that instrument and play it in an entirely unique style. Would be great to hear some well recorded audio of your solo arrangements. Would also kill for a book of tab, as a hobbiest it took an age to work out 'i'm so lonesome'! Cheers
Hi Tim, great video as usual.
I love your tone and the way you play.
Perhaps, you could do a video showing your amp settings and explaining why you set it the way you do.
Thanks for the inspirational work!
+Ivo Vasconcelos Hi Ivo, that would be a very short video! Volume: 2 Treble : 1 Bass: 5 Reverb: 2 I just set it so it sounds good.
+Timothy Lerch Thanks for sharing Tim, it only proves that the tone comes from the player :-)
Thanks for explaining why you tune down. I've never understood it! Now I do. Yes it's a more mellow sound for solo guitar with a lower bass....Ill try it. Not for me when playing with other musicians though....too complicated a thought process....Id stay in standard in those cases. But I use a G&L or a Gibson Les Paul Custom through an old Fender reverb amp so
.....a Fender G&L.....and an old valve Fender reverb valve amp....I meant to say!.....so the sound quality will vary I know......
I studied 7 string jazz guitar in college and when I found out about the fake 7 string tuning I flipped. On a tele tune low E to A and A to E. Mind blowing walking bass sound that Ted used a lot.
Do you have a link or a good explanation of this? I think I understand but want to clarify. Are the rest of the strings standard?
that Db tuned one sound so sweet!!! I don't think I am wanting a 335 anymore
So I just tried to play around to see what sound and feel I prefer. And tuning down to B seems to be that haha. I'm just a bedroom producer and not really aspirering to be a musician, so it's probably fine 😆 But I guess I'd have to adjust the action a bit higher to compensate for the extra movement of the strings to reduce some rattle.
I still don't like how the two highest strings sounds and feels though. Quite abrassive (spelled?) So maybe a little thicker ones and adjusting the intonation will help.
Update:
After adjusting the height to my liking, the tuning went about a whole step up (C sharp haha). And somehow I actually prefer that overall. Less mud, more stable tuning and seems to fit a surf/spaghetti western sound better than in lower B while on the bridge pickup for some reason. Higher frequency = more twang (maybe).
observation I made about being down a tone (I've seen from your other videos) is that to play the popular jazz keys of F and Bb puts you in G and C fingerings on guitar. How guitar friendly is that?!!! :-D
I think you’d need to capo on 1 to do that
I love the sound of the guitar tuned down a minor third. Sounds kinda like a 7 string or baritone.
I LOVE what you play while you're talking...or is it the other way round? Anyway, I have learned sooo much from you thanks Tim! :-)
Between the buried and me tuning, never thought about it for a tele. I run it on an ibanez.
TIM sos un maestro!!!!!!!!
Beautiful sound...
It is so much kinder to the hands ! Do you find a need to tweak up the action because of the looser strings ?
GREAT Tele Talk !! SALUT !!
That was superb. Thanks :)
Glad you liked it!
REALLY NICE!!!
Unbelievable ❤ 🤩👍🙏
I feel so relaxed now...
I believe C# Standard is my favourite tuning
Raphael Smith what are Tim's preferred string brand ?
Tried it and like it! Even with stock 9's strings. I have a set of flat wounds 12's, maybe I will put them on my Tele.
...and tune those flat wound 12's to C# on my Tele.
The high spark of low-tuned Teles ...
I see what you did there.
I'm curious as to whether the nut required any work to compensate for the heavier gauge strings? A beautiful sounding pair of Telecasters and just lovely playing. An immediate subscription!
Its usually a good idea to widen the nut for gauge 12 and over sets on tiles.
Same tuning I use for my Ibanez but with a light or medium baritone set of strings, starting on o.14 but I completely forgot what the 3rd string is 😅 my 6th string is a o.68 though, but the rest of the set should be pretty similar to what you use. The feeling is like an acoustic guitar with more "fluidity" if that makes sense.. But I must admit that I felt like a teenager at the examination when you started talking about all the flats in this tuning 🤣
Well, I’m kind of speechless. How am I going to fall asleep now? *Following*
It's a shame that theirs very little footage of George van eps he was a monster player ,real old school chord melody ,
Tim, another great video; you are becoming a favorite of mine. Wondering how just one neck Charlie Christian would sound; what pickup selection were you using on video? And could you pass on your preferences on action and neck relief? Do you have neck issues with the heavier string guages?
I like low action and a very straight neck, absolutely no problem or issues with heavier strings, A tele neck is very sturdy. check out my other solo guitar videos for many examples of the neck pickup by itself. thanks
Great idea, Tim - I will try it on one of mine (3 halfsteps). Btw - what kind of radius do you have on your Teles?
Wow great tone! I wonder what are these chords at the beginning of the video? Realy love that tuning as well
If you look close at those (or any other) compensated saddles, you'll notice that the height adjustment screws are much smaller than the ones Fender uses on the standard 3-barrel brass saddles. It thins out the sound a little. I don't like it, but to each his own. I also don't see the point of them. If a person can't stay in tune with the regular fender saddles, how will they ever learn to stay in tune on an acoustic guitar that just has a single saddle? Yet, not only do good acoustic players stay in tune just fine, they even use al kinds of altered tunings and still have no intonation problems. It's just a matter of experience and knowing where the problematic spots are on a guitar and using less finger pressure in those areas.
Not the same w/some electric's.
At least 90% of the greatest Tele players have used 3-barrel brass saddles and stayed perfectly in tune. Compensated saddles are just something to get your money in my opinion.
Hi Tim, good video. Sorry if you have already been asked this many times before ( I'm sure you have)..What tuning was Ted Greene best known for playing in? I can hear that he is tuned down on some of the videos I have watched of him, but, I can also be very wrong! Any help would be appreciated ..Thank you
+Rupe 1 Ted tuned down at various times either 1/2 down a whole step down or a minor third.
+Timothy Lerch Thank you Tim :)
Hi Tim! Wondering what kind of frets you like on your guitars? Vintage frets?
Hello sir. Can you please explain to me the use of the humbucker in the mid position?
You're a fan of Ted Greene then?
My thoughts exactly.
Duh
Guy is basically Ted 2.0
Tim was a student of Ted's and he's carrying the torch forwards....
Commenting on this old video - Tim do you still use these gauges for tuning down to Db? When you assemble the string set are you using D'addario round-wound for the low strings and just plain steel for the top 3?
Yep 14-59 or 60 roundwound on the bottom 3 and plain top 3
@@TimLerchGuitar Thank you!
Can you share your string seller? I'm trying to replicate a flatwound set for a Rickenbacker from the mid-60's when they used a wound .020.
Thomastik-Infeld makes a George Benson Jazz set that has a 21w (.014/.018/.021w/.031/.041/.055) It's a very nice set.
Steven Bollman. Thanks for the info. As a result of your lead I found a guy repackaging T-I strings for Rickenbackers to do the very thing I wanted, and I didn't have to buy enough strings to make a bunch of sets to see if it would work. Thanks again.
I know that it is tele talk, but do you the same with your archtops when you play solo ? Thanks for all the videos, but as a Tele lover, I really like that series. Best,
+Christian Leduc I dont usually tune my archtops down. but it can be done.
Christian Leduc i have a Godin 5th ave archtop with P90's in it, and i love to tune it down to D standard.
Hi Tim sorry to bother you ..The brass saddles you use from the company 'Glendale guitars'Are the saddles the 'WIDE' saddles they sell? or just normal size brass ones..Would the wide saddles be better for this tuning and sting gauge?Any advise would be appreciated..Thank you
Yes that it, wide intone work well for tuning down..
+Timothy Lerch Thanks Tim. Great playing too: very inspiring.
Does your shoulder ever get sore from the neck shake vibrato?
+joch230 No its all very gentle and organic to me by now.
1/2 step down (Eb) darkens the overall tone slightly. Easier to sing along with.
I’d like to try a baritone guitar, but one that would cover the regular guitar range. I don’t even know whether they are readily acabable >_>
Now I understand why Barney Kessel was saying don't watch my hands...listen closely instead...
what makes teles so much better at jazz than a strat? with your 3 pickup teles, do you have them wired with a 5 way switch? thanks!
With standard Teles, the cover on the front pickup mellows the sound a bit, plus Strat pickups are a little overwound by comparison and use different magnet and wire sizes. A an Tele's 3-barrel brass bridge also sounds a little thicker than the Strat's bridge which is a whole different design.
Everything Bill said + string-thru-body + no springy-sproingy bridge (which is a beautiful thing too, but too wobbly for complex chordal harmonies, in general, there's always exceptions, imho, ymmv, etc.)
Stick a capo on the 2 fret. In d flat. Brill
We are doing all flatwounds here?
Nope, I don’t prefer flats. This video and almost all of my videos use roundwound strings
this guy is just too good :D :D :D :D
Very interesting. I really appreciate the detailed advice. Great sound and great playing.
You said your g string was 22 “plain”..
What’s plain mean?
Unwound
Yes , some of the blues players will lower the string pitch as well or the low E to D The only problem is that you have to relearn the pitch of the chords to play to play on standard tuning. but probably can learn to hear it. Clearly, Ted Green influence here as he would use that distinctive vibrato. Probably not worth the effort. Get same sound with regular tune. :)
You need to shut the fuck up. I'm sick of reading your negative comments, you piece of shit.
Wow I like this...D flat....eh.....
what song were you playing at the start? :)
Hugh Gibson old folks
Tim thank you, have you tried the stainless steel back plates for tele?
No, sorry I don’t know that that is?
@@TimLerchGuitar Also Philadelphia luthiers has them.
Glendale sells the stainless steel (non magnetic) bridges
Ah Bridge plates, I have heard about those but I haven’t tried them. I just use the regular traditional fender bridge plates.
What Nocaster model is that?
3:45 & 10:30
Two guitars.
here is an example of a low tuned Tele with a vocal ua-cam.com/video/8s_bA4Ls418/v-deo.html
9:33
:O
I have a teacher crush!
Perfect pitch guitar players won't play with low tuned guitar ; (
all of the notes are perfectly in tune (as much as a guitar ever is) why would someone with perfect pitch have a problem? its just transposed to a new key.
What I think which note I am playing now is different with the note I hear. I think I play A note but it sounds me Ab (or Gb), which is confusing
that just means you need to treat it like a new tuning, completely. Your open E string is no longer an E at all. You have to try to stop yourself from thinking it's an E. Just imagine you're learning a new instrument :)
My brain cant understand how he is playing like that?
Im not like this video , The Real Telecaster no have humbackers or double pickups.
It ok, it’s not for everyone. For me the guitar is a tool and I change it to make it work for me. Sound is everything!
OMG far too much waffle and not enough playing.
+Paul Tyler I find it odd that someone would choose to watch a video called Tele TALK and complain that there is too much talking! but if you want to hear more playing i invite you to watch any of about a hundred videos on my channel that have no talking at all.
i most likely end up not playing chords as good as tim while talking and thinking what to say at the same time. this man is giving a masterclass for free
Do you avoid wound G strings?