Can you start putting a link to the SS United States conservatory so people might donate to keep her around. They need all the help they can get right now.
What about some explaining of begining of cruise industry.. how or with what ships (ex liners mostly) started big companies like RCCL, Princess.. I know it has nothing to do with moving across the ocean but it was one of first steps which had to be done to aclimate to airlines and dont let the ships die with only 'one duty' in that time.
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As a devotee of Ocean Liners, I must say the Ile de France was the greatest of French ships, bar none. The Normandie and the France might have been larger and more "stylish," but when it comes to the soul of the ship (and yes, ships have souls), no ship from the Gallic state had a greater soul than the Ile.
What a beautiful ship, as other people have said the Normandie is the only French liner most people remember and that's sad. Fantastic video as always sir.
My great great grandparents sailed to America aboard the Ile De France in 1929. I find it very helpful that you took the time to keep the memory of this ship alive, thank you so much for this video! :)
She was truly one of the most beautiful liners, surpassed only briefly by her big sister Normandie! Ile de France’s interiors were luxurious, innovative, and decidedly ultra moderne! There was none like her!
Great video. I saw the movie The Last Voyage and have a DVD copy of it! I didn't know that the director originally was going to use the Arundel Castle for the movie.
Hello, I'm relatively new to this channel, I joined started watching about 2 months ago, give or take a few weeks. I was wondering if you would consider talking about R.M.S. Gigantic (I use Gigantic to denote her original form to avoid confusion.)!
Elsewhere in the comments, another viewer expressed a desire to see a video on SS France, the 1912 4-stacker. I want to second that- she was an interesting ship. At 712 ft., she wasn't a giant, and her 4 funnels were relatively short compared to the towering stacks of the competition, so she wasn't trying to impress with sheer scale. Looking at her now, she appears sleek and modern next to other liners of her day.
The Ile was the first liner to use Art Deco for her interiors. Up until she was fitted out, most liner's interior decoration was based on decor from the past. The Queens Mary and Elizabeth as well as Normandie were also all about Art Deco.
tbh never thought someone would ever make a video on ships of the French line except the Normandie. great work dude! can't wait for more of these videos!!! :D
I can't wait for Normandie. And maybe some info on the big St. Nazaire drydock If she had lived long enough, I think Normandie would have been considered important enough to save, a la QM
@@matthewbowen5841 i think she still is lol, people compare her to the qm all the time. they were direct competitors and anyone who onows ships know that if you wanna make a ship comparison the chic normandie or the speedy qm are the two to compare.
@@TheGreatBigMove yh. I really hope that you do the SS Liberte. I think she is quite overshadowed by her more famous sister ship SS Bremen and so its time she got some love, especially since she sank so many times lmao
Ahh yes, one of my favorite French liners, love her Art Deco interiors. Excellent video! I did not know she was named Fransuru Maru during her scrapping.
In 1955, I was two years old when I traveled on the SS Ile de France from New York to France with my mother. My mother was from Venice. We were traveling to Venice and Milan to visit her relatives. How we got there from France, I don't know. We returned to New York City on the SS United States. My father was working on the SS Constitution at that time and for several years later. I don't remember any of this except what my parents had told me and from pictures and films.
As a person about to turn 23 during spring break. I would love having my spring break on a transatlantic ocean liner. Sure their are cruise ships and repositioning voyages. But a real ocean liner for the 21st century would be awesome.
What an excellent video! You definitely should keep making more of these videos that focus on a single ocean liner. There are a lot of significant liners to choose from that deserve more attention.
In 1967, the city of Long Beach CA bought the RMS Queen Mary. 1st time I boarded her. I was 12. That began my life long love of Ocean Liners. Anything to do with them gets my full attention. This next summer I plan on boarding the RMS Queen Mary 2 from NY to Southampton and back 1st time, and I can't wait. You keep doing these videos and I'll keep watching them....
Your imagination is very good. The Île de France, a great liner from the golden age, did make a very dramatic appearance on the scene, her lights blazing, and was a most welcome sight.
I love that the first (well, the second) France ship, was such similar to the Titanic and was delivered just a few month after the sinking. I'm french but I had never seen so much picture of the ile de France, so thanks a lot for bringing them to light :)
My great uncle was one of those Canadian troops that sailed on her back from Europe after the war....he nicked some of her tea towels that had her name on them, gave them to my grandmother..we used them well into the early '80s...Wish I had them now.
Great job! My parents sailed on a Caribbean cruise aboard the Ile in the mid fifties. They talked about it for years- especially the wonderful food & service.
Great video! Just found out that My grand parents travelled on this ship in 1955 and now your video brought me back in time to see part of what they saw and experienced on this ship. Thank you.
You have to do a video on the SS France (1912) - she was a four stacker, and probably one of the least known. I have always wanted to know more about the ship!
My then 6 year old husband sailed on her about 1954 when he and his mother were joining his father in England. He remembers walking up the gangplank with his teddy bear and watching their new Studebaker being lowered into the hold. We started watching "The Last Voyage", and at a scene in the dining room he suddenly shouted "I sat right there!" We had to stop watching when the destruction started, too painful .
A beautiful ocean liner!! I’m pretty sad that airplanes came along and ruined this golden era. Ile de France was just amazing 😻 Thanks for your hard work and research it’s lovely to hear these otherwise poorly covered stories.
A wonderful presentation on one of the all time classic French passenger liners of the past. A beautiful ship indeed. What an amazing experience it must have been for passengers of this time taking magnificent voyages across the seas in ships like these. Well done.
I live in Southampton and I see the Queen Mary II quite often. In my younger days I spent a little bit of time on both the QE2 and Canberra. I used to work on the red funnel ferry service too and saw a lot of liners and cruise ships and the royal yacht Britannia.
Andrea Doria Rescue Memories "At least an hour after our arrival on the scene, I saw a dim form of a large ship emerging from the darkness and moving quite rapidly in our direction. There were no lights visible other than the required red and white running lights. The red lights being visible indicated that this ship was going between the "Andrea Doria" and the "Thomas." When it got into position,we could feel the vibrations as the huge ship backed down full astern and came to a stop. For a few seconds, this ship remained almost totally dark. Then, all in unison, every light on this ship must have been turned on including a huge sign in lights that read "Ile de France". At the exact same time, every lifeboat began to be lowered and touched the water at precisely the same moment. The fleet of lifeboats then began moving en masse toward the "Andrea Doria." The arrival of the "Ile de France" was like grand theatrical production. The star of the "Andrea Doria" tragedy, she announced her arrival on the scene in a grand way. It was like she was saying, "I am here and all is under control." The majority of the crew and passengers aboard the "Andrea Doria" were rescued by the "Ile de France." Memories of the event by Ernest R. Melby, EM1 USN, crew member of the USNS "Private William H. Thomas.
Your work is brilliant, dignified, mature - sullied only by childish, snarky digs like "why anyone would want to go to England" - in this case a country of extraordinary history, artistic culture and more.
You might be interested in the book "Ile de France--the Life Story of a Great Ship" by Don Stafford, published byAppleton Century Crofts in 1963. Lots of stories and information that may be useful to you.
@@eloramaxwell7020 Got another recommendation for you: "Captain of the Ile" by Raoul De Beaudean. Translated from the French. Published in the U.S. by McGraw-Hill, 1960. The author was Captain when the Andrea Doria sank and gives his account.
Do either of you know what the timeline of the Ile looked like in the day(s) leading up to the sinking? I literally cannot find that information anywhere, not even a shipping schedule for the CGT. One can easily assume they left New York early on July 25th but the exact time and information that detailed eludes me. Any sources that you guys can think of off the top of your heads? Ya'll are great. Thanks
Nice, well researched video of one of the “great liners” …… Normandie may be the finest, and Queen Mary the most famous, but yes the Ile was an all time favorite! Thank you!
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There was a story about the time that Ernest Hemingway got to dine with Marlene Dietrich, and if I recall it correctly, it happened on the Ile de France. Hemingway managed to borrow a tuxedo and crash the first class dining room just as Dietrich entered the dining room and went to the Captain's table. Seeing that she'd be the unlucky thirteenth there, she was about to leave when Hemingway offered to make it a party of fourteen. I'm trying to recall which book I read that had this story, whether The Only Way To Cross or The Great Liners, which had an extensive section on the French Line ships, including a fold out section on the Normandie.
Another great video! Learned a lot of stuff here. Keep up the good work! Also, what were the other 2 ships as part of the agreement between CGT and the French government aside from the Paris and the Ile?
Thank you for this informative video. I actually didn’t know Ile had been renamed by the time of the 1959 film shoot. Ile was also the setting of the 1953 film Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. This was dictated by the fact that the 1949 Broadway musical on which that film is based already explicitly mentions Ile de France. This was fitting because of the story, which has its roots in the 1920s novel by Anita Loos, so to reference the Ile as setting made sense, because of the liner being a product of the Jazz Age. Interestingly, the 1953 film adaptation only used Ile in name. It wasn’t filmed on the ship and only features a replica set of the grand first class restaurant. The shots showing the ship from the outside actually show a model that only superficially looks like Ile (I believe it is the same model, modified, that the studio had just used for their new Titanic film, released the same year. The film also uses what I believe is 1930s footage of Conte Di Savoia for a docking scene.
I know just the model you're referring to: a three-funnel Titanic. I won't say for sure but I think that same three-funnel version was used in the opening of a 1970's TV movie called "The Last Survivors" starring Martin Sheen. The movie is similar to Alfred Hitchcock's "Lifeboat" and the British film "Abandon Ship!" to use the American title. I also remember that glimpse of the Conte Di Savoia in "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes".
@@roygrundmann5737 I did some checking around here on You Tube and actually found "The Last Survivors" but the picture is so dark and has deteriorated somewhat so now I'm not so sure just what ship is being shown at the beginning. When the liner goes under I think we're seeing a little bit of film from "Lifeboat" that I think was also used in "The Last Voyage"!
@@andrewbrendan1579 yes, you’re right. I just did a quick check myself. It’s hard to make out and the sound is scrambled too. Obviously, it was a TV film, so funds for outside ship scenes were very limited. And the ship itself seems not important.
Some more fun facts: The Isle de France brand of gourmet cheese has this ship as its name, logo, and origin story. During the US Prohibition, some French entrepreneurs convinced the CGT to include expensive refrigeration technology to export & showcase French cheese for the U.S market. To sell this luxury item during a recession they had wine & cheese evenings in the NY harbour (during the prohibition). It was a hugely successful piece of guerilla marketing, and you can still buy Isle de France cheese to this day.
Good one! Enjoyable. We all want to believe golden-era ocean liners were always fitted out with Edwardian, Victorian, and similarly inspired opulence, but by the time this ship was ready for service, Art Nouveau and soon, Art Deco, were in full swing. The French pride themselves on being progressive, fashion leaders. The British much more inclined to looking at the past to define elegance. Many ideas for interior outfitting of this ship were altered because of the delays getting her into service.
The 4 ocean liners in 1912 the CGT wanted to make BTW and their fates they were 1. Paris: Burned in 1939 at Le Havre 2. Ile De France: Scrapped 1960 3. L’Atlanqiue: Burned 1933, scrapped 1936 4. Normandie: Burned 1942
Wonderful video! I love ocean liners and the postwar Ile de France is my favorite. I even like her postwar interiors: what I call "a mix of old, new and make-do"! The Paris doesn't quite work for me. I find her a little disproportionate and her interiors had too much of Art Nouveau for my personal tastes. Of the great French liners: give me the Ile de France and preferably the postwar version.
I am always impressed by the content and obvious research that these videos embody. I do have two somewhat naive questions: Are ships stripped before they go to the scrapyard or are they sold intact? Either way, what happens to all those luxurious fittings and furnishings? Some must be valuable collectibles now...
I read an article in Swedish where the man in the M/S Stockholms crow’s nest recounts the collision and the aftermath. He claims that the M/S Stockholm requested escort to harbor by the Îl De France because they didn’t think they would make it there. Much to their shock the Îl steamed away in all hurry to catch up with the time schedule
Don't sell the Ile's contribution to the Andrea Doria sinking short. There was a lot of stress and uncertainty at that stage for the crew and passengers especially. Then the Isle rocks up, forms a weather wall and takes on passengers, freeing up boats and giving them a base of operations. It was a huge morale boost and contributed significantly. Everyone knew they would be ok when she showed up.
I appreciate your comment about the involvement of the Ile de France in the Andrea Doria tragedy. Without the presence of the French liner --- and the lifeboats she sent over to the Italian liner --- I wonder if all those on the Doria would have gotten to safety before the ship tilted over too far or had even sunk. Too could the other rescue vessels have taken on everyone from the Andrea Doria, well over 1,000 people? I believe the ile de France played a vital role in the Andrea Doria disaster.
I thought people already learnt their lesson that liners don't make good warships in WWI. Oh well. The Ile de France is one of my favorite liners and my third favorite French liner of all time (only to France/Norway and Normandie). She's not quite top 10 on my overall list I think, as she just seems to lack a story that stands out to me like Titanic or Queen Mary for example. Guess that's because she was neither the biggest nor the fastest. That said, she was an absolutely gorgeous ship (and I've finally come to the conclusion that she looks WAY better w/ 2 funnels instead of 3 lol) and she lived a great life, both as a passenger liner and as a troop carrier. And she was one of the vessels that came to aid the Andrea Doria: extra points for heroism. It's a horrid shame that she was not only destroyed in the end, but that her destruction was put in a movie for people to cheer at. It's even worse that I found the film to be pretty cool. Long live the Ile. This is the perfect video to end my night on. You did a stellar job as per usual. :)
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Can you start putting a link to the SS United States conservatory so people might donate to keep her around. They need all the help they can get right now.
What about some explaining of begining of cruise industry.. how or with what ships (ex liners mostly) started big companies like RCCL, Princess.. I know it has nothing to do with moving across the ocean but it was one of first steps which had to be done to aclimate to airlines and dont let the ships die with only 'one duty' in that time.
@@lordwernon82 I have actually been thinking about doing something like that.
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@@ARC_30-06 Thank you very much!
It’s awesome that there is someone out there remembering these great liners
honestly
*are people out there
This isnt the only channel covering ocean liners!
I am a big fan of maritime history
@@rubycosmo6279 I think he meant people that actually on the the ship
@@jmpmp_505 uh
This ship was scrapped before he was born XD
As a devotee of Ocean Liners, I must say the Ile de France was the greatest of French ships, bar none. The Normandie and the France might have been larger and more "stylish," but when it comes to the soul of the ship (and yes, ships have souls), no ship from the Gallic state had a greater soul than the Ile.
What a beautiful ship, as other people have said the Normandie is the only French liner most people remember and that's sad.
Fantastic video as always sir.
50 likes and no reply?
Btw, Ile de France is actually the Smol Queen Mary
My great great grandparents sailed to America aboard the Ile De France in 1929. I find it very helpful that you took the time to keep the memory of this ship alive, thank you so much for this video! :)
She was truly one of the most beautiful liners, surpassed only briefly by her big sister Normandie!
Ile de France’s interiors were luxurious, innovative, and decidedly ultra moderne!
There was none like her!
There is always something special and interesting about French design and engineering. Wonderful ship and great video.
These videos have been one of the few highlights throughout this pandemic, thank you and keep up the good work!
Glad you like them!
Great video. I saw the movie The Last Voyage and have a DVD copy of it! I didn't know that the director originally was going to use the Arundel Castle for the movie.
I can't thank you enough for mentioning that ship and telling us all about her. Thank you!
Love your work
Thank you, Guillaume!
@@TheGreatBigMove and btw your French is just fine ! 😃👍
@@guillaumeromain6694 Glad to hear it!
Hello, I'm relatively new to this channel, I joined started watching about 2 months ago, give or take a few weeks. I was wondering if you would consider talking about R.M.S. Gigantic (I use Gigantic to denote her original form to avoid confusion.)!
Joined and* (Pardon my typing, my auto correct is atrocious.)
French Line is quickly becoming one of my favorites besides Cunard. Criminally underrated outside of the nautical scene.
Elsewhere in the comments, another viewer expressed a desire to see a video on SS France, the 1912 4-stacker. I want to second that- she was an interesting ship. At 712 ft., she wasn't a giant, and her 4 funnels were relatively short compared to the towering stacks of the competition, so she wasn't trying to impress with sheer scale. Looking at her now, she appears sleek and modern next to other liners of her day.
The Ile was the first liner to use Art Deco for her interiors. Up until she was fitted out, most liner's interior decoration was based on decor from the past. The Queens Mary and Elizabeth as well as Normandie were also all about Art Deco.
I recently received a vintage poster of the SS Paris, and i just LOVE the interiors! :)
tbh never thought someone would ever make a video on ships of the French line except the Normandie. great work dude! can't wait for more of these videos!!! :D
I hope to cover other ships of the French Line in the future (including, but not limited to, Normandie). Glad you liked the video!
I can't wait for Normandie. And maybe some info on the big St. Nazaire drydock
If she had lived long enough, I think Normandie would have been considered important enough to save, a la QM
The SS France/Norway was a cool liner too.
@@matthewbowen5841 i think she still is lol, people compare her to the qm all the time. they were direct competitors and anyone who onows ships know that if you wanna make a ship comparison the chic normandie or the speedy qm are the two to compare.
@@TheGreatBigMove yh. I really hope that you do the SS Liberte. I think she is quite overshadowed by her more famous sister ship SS Bremen and so its time she got some love, especially since she sank so many times lmao
Ahh yes, one of my favorite French liners, love her Art Deco interiors.
Excellent video! I did not know she was named Fransuru Maru during her scrapping.
In 1955, I was two years old when I traveled on the SS Ile de France from New York to France with my mother. My mother was from Venice. We were traveling to Venice and Milan to visit her relatives. How we got there from France, I don't know. We returned to New York City on the SS United States. My father was working on the SS Constitution at that time and for several years later. I don't remember any of this except what my parents had told me and from pictures and films.
As a person about to turn 23 during spring break. I would love having my spring break on a transatlantic ocean liner. Sure their are cruise ships and repositioning voyages. But a real ocean liner for the 21st century would be awesome.
You can take a trip on the Queen Mary 2
It is a modern full fledged ocean liner that regularly crosses the pond between New York and Southampton UK
What an excellent video! You definitely should keep making more of these videos that focus on a single ocean liner. There are a lot of significant liners to choose from that deserve more attention.
Thanks for the pronunciation of Le Havre! In 35 years of being an ocean liner fan I had never heard it pronounced and had no idea how to say it.
I didn't even know this ship existed! Thanks for the video :)
ocean liner fan and never heard of the ile de francé ??? rip
@@louisaugustexvi4515 what I was thinking lil
She’s popular with the Ocean Liner community, so idk why?
Just scanned your channel.I understand why you never heard of HER your age group.
@@jamesdoerr3005 what do u mean
In 1967, the city of Long Beach CA bought the RMS Queen Mary. 1st time I boarded her. I was 12. That began my life long love of Ocean Liners. Anything to do with them gets my full attention. This next summer I plan on boarding the RMS Queen Mary 2 from NY to Southampton and back 1st time, and I can't wait. You keep doing these videos and I'll keep watching them....
I just imagine this massive ship emerging from the fog while the stranded passengers on the Andrea Doria cheer.
Your imagination is very good. The Île de France, a great liner from the golden age, did make a very dramatic appearance on the scene, her lights blazing, and was a most welcome sight.
Indeed, Ilê was quoted to light up the night with its lights.
I love that the first (well, the second) France ship, was such similar to the Titanic and was delivered just a few month after the sinking.
I'm french but I had never seen so much picture of the ile de France, so thanks a lot for bringing them to light :)
My great uncle was one of those Canadian troops that sailed on her back from Europe after the war....he nicked some of her tea towels that had her name on them, gave them to my grandmother..we used them well into the early '80s...Wish I had them now.
There was another movie filmed on the Ile- "Paris Holiday" with Bob Hope and Anita Ekberg, from about 1955 as I recall.
Great job! My parents sailed on a Caribbean cruise aboard the Ile in the mid fifties. They talked about it for years- especially the wonderful food & service.
Great video! Just found out that My grand parents travelled on this ship in 1955 and now your video brought me back in time to see part of what they saw and experienced on this ship. Thank you.
You have to do a video on the SS France (1912) - she was a four stacker, and probably one of the least known. I have always wanted to know more about the ship!
It just brings me to tears every time I hear that opening monologue/credits from the movie "The last voyage" 😰
She's a very beautiful Ocean Liner
I crossed on the Ile in 1954 and returned on the Independence.
My then 6 year old husband sailed on her about 1954 when he and his mother were joining his father in England. He remembers walking up the gangplank with his teddy bear and watching their new Studebaker being lowered into the hold.
We started watching "The Last Voyage", and at a scene in the dining room he suddenly shouted "I sat right there!" We had to stop watching when the destruction started, too painful .
Man that art nouveau/deco interior is just the best I've seen on any liner. So cool.
A beautiful ocean liner!! I’m pretty sad that airplanes came along and ruined this golden era. Ile de France was just amazing 😻 Thanks for your hard work and research it’s lovely to hear these otherwise poorly covered stories.
If there was the TSA in the 50's we would still be using ocean liners.
TSA??
@@moparguy2190 tata sasa aaaaa
I think he meant Transport Security Administration
BLU_E hahahahahaha
Mopar Guy hahahahahah
Don't worry about french pronounciation: we are so gratefull of this testimony you did. Btw one of my uncles was machanic on this navire/ship.
A wonderful presentation on one of the all time classic French passenger liners of the past. A beautiful ship indeed. What an amazing experience it must have been for passengers of this time taking magnificent voyages across the seas in ships like these. Well done.
I live in Southampton and I see the Queen Mary II quite often. In my younger days I spent a little bit of time on both the QE2 and Canberra. I used to work on the red funnel ferry service too and saw a lot of liners and cruise ships and the royal yacht Britannia.
I like her post-WW2 look
The movie "Paris Holiday" with Bob Hope had a lot of scenes on this ship. As well as scenes with the voluptuous Anita Ekberg.
Andrea Doria Rescue Memories
"At least an hour after our arrival on the scene, I saw a dim form of a large ship emerging from the darkness and moving quite rapidly in our direction. There were no lights visible other than the required red and white running lights. The red lights being visible indicated that this ship was going between the "Andrea Doria" and the "Thomas." When it got into position,we could feel the vibrations as the huge ship backed down full astern and came to a stop. For a few seconds, this ship remained almost totally dark. Then, all in unison, every light on this ship must have been turned on including a huge sign in lights that read "Ile de France". At the exact same time, every lifeboat began to be lowered and touched the water at precisely the same moment. The fleet of lifeboats then began moving en masse toward the "Andrea Doria." The arrival of the "Ile de France" was like grand theatrical production. The star of the "Andrea Doria" tragedy, she announced her arrival on the scene in a grand way. It was like she was saying, "I am here and all is under control." The majority of the crew and passengers aboard the "Andrea Doria" were rescued by the "Ile de France."
Memories of the event by Ernest R. Melby, EM1 USN, crew member of the USNS "Private William H. Thomas.
Lovely ship
Yes lovely ship and Hi
Your work is brilliant, dignified, mature - sullied only by childish, snarky digs like "why anyone would want to go to England" - in this case a country of extraordinary history, artistic culture and more.
😭 🇫🇷 It must have been so lovely 💔
This video just showed up in the feed and I am so glad to have watched it. So interesting. Thank you.
A story new to me after many about great liners. Thank you.
"You're just as hard to land
As the Ille de France" A FINE ROMANCE Marilyn Monroe
Excellent work again, you're making content that is extremely interesting but something rarely seen. And you do it great!
Your closing music is so peaceful and calming. I love it!
(The video was awesome, enjoyed it alot)
Thanks, Robert! Glad you made it to the end.
Love this Channel along with Historic Travels!!!!
Thanks, Kipfer!
I'm currently writing a historical fiction and one of the perspectives takes most of its time on this ship. This was really helpful! Thanks!
Best of luck!
You might be interested in the book "Ile de France--the Life Story of a Great Ship" by Don Stafford, published byAppleton Century Crofts in 1963. Lots of stories and information that may be useful to you.
@@andrewbrendan1579 I will have to check that out thanks for the recommendation!
@@eloramaxwell7020 Got another recommendation for you: "Captain of the Ile" by Raoul De Beaudean. Translated from the French. Published in the U.S. by McGraw-Hill, 1960. The author was Captain when the Andrea Doria sank and gives his account.
Do either of you know what the timeline of the Ile looked like in the day(s) leading up to the sinking? I literally cannot find that information anywhere, not even a shipping schedule for the CGT. One can easily assume they left New York early on July 25th but the exact time and information that detailed eludes me. Any sources that you guys can think of off the top of your heads? Ya'll are great. Thanks
I knew it was gonna be a good day when I saw a new video from you!
Nice, well researched video of one of the “great liners” …… Normandie may be the finest, and Queen Mary the most famous, but yes the Ile was an all time favorite! Thank you!
2 very big parts of her fame lay in her spectacular Art Deco interiors and her legendary concierges.
How about a video about that Matsonia from 1913? It was an ocean liner with an far aft funnel. It's quite a unique look
your 1st france ship vid good job big move
and hey look 9:04 its both france and the ghost looking Aquatania in the back round thats a site to see.
Instant sub for having such a modest character.
Love it! French Ships are often overshadow by UK Ships and German Ships
Often? Occasionally, perhaps.
This ship was a true hero, I heard it even rescued people from the andrea doria sinking
Nice video glad to hear you done a video on the ille de france
Is there an S/S France / Norway video in the future?
Consistently good shit being made here chief, keep up the good work 💪
What a revelation. I'd never heard about this and I consider myself a history freak....no more!!
This is so such a special channel. Thank you
Finally u posted :D Great video!!! 😌😌😌
In case you don't know, I upload a video every third Thursday (with an occasional in-between vlog and an occasional break when I am busier than usual). Glad you enjoyed the video!
Ok
dropped a sub. love the vids keep up the goodwork bro
Very interesting! Thanks!
Great video my God mother went o this ship in the 1940's, thank you for the memories.
There was a story about the time that Ernest Hemingway got to dine with Marlene Dietrich, and if I recall it correctly, it happened on the Ile de France. Hemingway managed to borrow a tuxedo and crash the first class dining room just as Dietrich entered the dining room and went to the Captain's table. Seeing that she'd be the unlucky thirteenth there, she was about to leave when Hemingway offered to make it a party of fourteen.
I'm trying to recall which book I read that had this story, whether The Only Way To Cross or The Great Liners, which had an extensive section on the French Line ships, including a fold out section on the Normandie.
It’s in the great liners.
Another great video! Learned a lot of stuff here. Keep up the good work!
Also, what were the other 2 ships as part of the agreement between CGT and the French government aside from the Paris and the Ile?
Possibly the Normandie and the France (2, 1960)
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A stunning ship
Thank you for this informative video. I actually didn’t know Ile had been renamed by the time of the 1959 film shoot. Ile was also the setting of the 1953 film Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. This was dictated by the fact that the 1949 Broadway musical on which that film is based already explicitly mentions Ile de France. This was fitting because of the story, which has its roots in the 1920s novel by Anita Loos, so to reference the Ile as setting made sense, because of the liner being a product of the Jazz Age. Interestingly, the 1953 film adaptation only used Ile in name. It wasn’t filmed on the ship and only features a replica set of the grand first class restaurant. The shots showing the ship from the outside actually show a model that only superficially looks like Ile (I believe it is the same model, modified, that the studio had just used for their new Titanic film, released the same year. The film also uses what I believe is 1930s footage of Conte Di Savoia for a docking scene.
I know just the model you're referring to: a three-funnel Titanic. I won't say for sure but I think that same three-funnel version was used in the opening of a 1970's TV movie called "The Last Survivors" starring Martin Sheen. The movie is similar to Alfred Hitchcock's "Lifeboat" and the British film "Abandon Ship!" to use the American title. I also remember that glimpse of the Conte Di Savoia in "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes".
Interesting. I have to check out that film.
@@roygrundmann5737 I did some checking around here on You Tube and actually found "The Last Survivors" but the picture is so dark and has deteriorated somewhat so now I'm not so sure just what ship is being shown at the beginning. When the liner goes under I think we're seeing a little bit of film from "Lifeboat" that I think was also used in "The Last Voyage"!
@@andrewbrendan1579 yes, you’re right. I just did a quick check myself. It’s hard to make out and the sound is scrambled too. Obviously, it was a TV film, so funds for outside ship scenes were very limited. And the ship itself seems not important.
Really Enjoy this series
Thank you, Peter! I'll be taking a break in the ShipStory series for a bit and doing some different things for the next few videos.
Another great video!
Well done 👍
No question, the French built some magnificent ships.
Excellent video
well done
these videos are the best please don't ever stop!
Some more fun facts: The Isle de France brand of gourmet cheese has this ship as its name, logo, and origin story. During the US Prohibition, some French entrepreneurs convinced the CGT to include expensive refrigeration technology to export & showcase French cheese for the U.S market. To sell this luxury item during a recession they had wine & cheese evenings in the NY harbour (during the prohibition). It was a hugely successful piece of guerilla marketing, and you can still buy Isle de France cheese to this day.
Funny, before this video I only knew the ship as the one that helped rescue those from the Andrea Doria
Good one! Enjoyable. We all want to believe golden-era ocean liners were always fitted out with Edwardian, Victorian, and similarly inspired opulence, but by the time this ship was ready for service, Art Nouveau and soon, Art Deco, were in full swing. The French pride themselves on being progressive, fashion leaders. The British much more inclined to looking at the past to define elegance. Many ideas for interior outfitting of this ship were altered because of the delays getting her into service.
Beautiful ship, thx🤓
The 4 ocean liners in 1912 the CGT wanted to make BTW and their fates they were
1. Paris: Burned in 1939 at Le Havre
2. Ile De France: Scrapped 1960
3. L’Atlanqiue: Burned 1933, scrapped 1936
4. Normandie: Burned 1942
Love your videos
Thank you!
Great video
Great job
Interesting video! I never knew that the Ile de France was that old by the time of the Andrea Doria's sinking.
I remember one scary scene from that movie. Used to play it on the Dialing for Dollars movie when I was in 1st grade
Good , thank you .
The movie " The Last Voyage " allows one to see the interior of the " Ile de France" ( Clarion in the movie).
Wonderful video! I love ocean liners and the postwar Ile de France is my favorite. I even like her postwar interiors: what I call "a mix of old, new and make-do"! The Paris doesn't quite work for me. I find her a little disproportionate and her interiors had too much of Art Nouveau for my personal tastes. Of the great French liners: give me the Ile de France and preferably the postwar version.
I am always impressed by the content and obvious research that these videos embody.
I do have two somewhat naive questions:
Are ships stripped before they go to the scrapyard or are they sold intact?
Either way, what happens to all those luxurious fittings and furnishings?
Some must be valuable collectibles now...
Thank you! Generally, the more expensive fittings and furnishings are removed and are often sold at auction before the ship is sent to the scrappers.
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Thank you for the reply.
Great work, and the presentation is perfect.
Take care, and all the best...
thx for the new video
Awesome Video!, and such a magnificent ship, indeed sad that they didn't manage to preserve her.
I read an article in Swedish where the man in the M/S Stockholms crow’s nest recounts the collision and the aftermath. He claims that the M/S Stockholm requested escort to harbor by the Îl De France because they didn’t think they would make it there. Much to their shock the Îl steamed away in all hurry to catch up with the time schedule
Don't sell the Ile's contribution to the Andrea Doria sinking short. There was a lot of stress and uncertainty at that stage for the crew and passengers especially. Then the Isle rocks up, forms a weather wall and takes on passengers, freeing up boats and giving them a base of operations. It was a huge morale boost and contributed significantly. Everyone knew they would be ok when she showed up.
I appreciate your comment about the involvement of the Ile de France in the Andrea Doria tragedy. Without the presence of the French liner --- and the lifeboats she sent over to the Italian liner --- I wonder if all those on the Doria would have gotten to safety before the ship tilted over too far or had even sunk. Too could the other rescue vessels have taken on everyone from the Andrea Doria, well over 1,000 people? I believe the ile de France played a vital role in the Andrea Doria disaster.
Love this!
I thought people already learnt their lesson that liners don't make good warships in WWI. Oh well. The Ile de France is one of my favorite liners and my third favorite French liner of all time (only to France/Norway and Normandie). She's not quite top 10 on my overall list I think, as she just seems to lack a story that stands out to me like Titanic or Queen Mary for example. Guess that's because she was neither the biggest nor the fastest. That said, she was an absolutely gorgeous ship (and I've finally come to the conclusion that she looks WAY better w/ 2 funnels instead of 3 lol) and she lived a great life, both as a passenger liner and as a troop carrier. And she was one of the vessels that came to aid the Andrea Doria: extra points for heroism. It's a horrid shame that she was not only destroyed in the end, but that her destruction was put in a movie for people to cheer at. It's even worse that I found the film to be pretty cool. Long live the Ile. This is the perfect video to end my night on. You did a stellar job as per usual. :)
Can u do a full video on the Normandie?
Wonderful!