The Victory Judge: 1700cc of American Muscle... for Under £6,000
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
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Time Stamps:
Time Stamps:
0:00: Intro
0:55: Could the EU Force Classic Vehicles off the Road?
4:23: Australian Road Trip on a Moto Guzzi V85
6:27: Harley Davidson Prices in the USA are Low (Harley Davidson Electra Glide, Harley Davidson Fat Bob, Harley Davidson Heritage)
13:20: Why are Classic Motorcycle Prices So Low?
19:04: One Year to do the Pan America Highway (Honda Africa Twin and Triumph Street Twin)
22:52: Into Biking at 63 Years Old (Triumph Speed Twin 900)
23:51: Insurance Write Offs- From An Insurance Professional
26:13: Bike of the Week: Victory Judge
Its not just car and motorcycle "enthusiasts" its anyone trying to get from a to b. Its just big companies trying to make more profit nothing more nothing less. Trying to justify greed as some sort of environmental service. Scapping vehicles that already exist is not environmentally friendly no discussion.
Lots of money to be made by scaring people into believing in the end of the world. And millions go along with it like sheep. STOP!!!
There’s a guy called the wurks,give him a ring I bet he will sort your heating 😂😂😂
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Our freedoms are being legislated out from under us Freddie. We cannot be silent about these issues. I actually enjoy working on my old girl ( FJ1200 ) as I find it quite meditative at times, as good as they are I can't say that about these new machines .
Touring on a motorbike is becoming more popular and definitely easier these days. For me I can enjoy and have more of an adventure on my bike than a bog standard package holiday can give me. You don't need any special bike just the motivation to get up and go. On Thursday morning I set off for the tunnel on a ride to Iceland on my Guzzi V7, I can't wait.
Have a fabulous time...I somehow think that is almost guaranteed....
Safe journey dale, i envy you quite a lot.
Will you be vlogging it? If so I'll subscribe...
It’ll sink.
@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne no, only do Instagram
Could we buy a container’s worth of old British bikes, ship them to USA and bring the container back full of Harley’s? This time next year we could be millionaires 💰💰 💰
Great vid Mr D
Haha I'm down with this.
All I can say Freddie is God Bless America. So far we don’t have that kind of crazy thinking about old cars and bikes being put down because there 15 years old. I have a 59 Chevy ,80 gmc, 96 jeep Cherokee, 48 and 98 Harley and a 79 Honda. They all run and I drive a different one everyday. The only thing that unites everyone in every country is there love of old cars and bikes. I truly hope that very stupid law never makes it. But if it does, the USA will buy all your old bikes and cars. No problem 👍
Remember Cash for clunkers? How many millions of perfectly good cars did they crush?
Do you know that Iran is totally ethanol free and China is going to follow soon? These are smart people who know what's bullshit and not
Not just America...
It will come, just like the lockdowns.
Why do we still have to abide by EU vehicle rules when we (UK) are not in the EU? Typically we get the worst of both worlds.
That was the intention to wear people down so they vote the 'right' way next time..
Totally agree Freddie.
Ask yourself how many 20 year old vehicles do you see in regular use? 25 yr? 30yr?
This happens naturally anyway as a vehicle ages it becomes a rare sight on the road.
It doesn’t need to be forced upon us.
It would seem they know that EVs are a farce, that there will be a huge shift to maintaining old ICE vehicles and they intend to put a stop to it before it happens.
*"Motor cars are a farce," said every horse buggy dealer 105 years ago.* That said, bills are meant to be parsed.
@@hulkhatepunybanner nonsensical comment.
Motor vehicles are clearly superior to the horse and cart, engines caused the Industrial Revolution and almost worked man kind to death.
EVs are inferior to ICE in EVery way.
I totally agree as have a modern BMW R1250RT but after that I have a 1980 Yamaha XS1100, 1991 Kawasaki ZZR600, 1983 Honda GL1100 Goldwing (standard), 2002 Honda XRV750 Africa Twin, 1970 Triumph T100, 2002 Yamaha XJ900 Diversion that are all simple old school and I can fix and repair but I never have to! The R1250RT shall be sold after my May European trip and I will just use my Goldwing for any future tours or Africa Twin.
My main car is a 2012 Range Rover and I got that sick of repairing electrical gremlins so I bought myself a 1997 Volvo 940 Estate that is bullet proof and again I can maintain and run for years to come however it just needs an oil and air filter yearly and runs like clockwork. I want to maintain my own vehicles and I don't want an electric car or motorcycle! Most of my friends who succumbed to the PCP Electric Vehicle route are now purchasing petrol cars as the deals end as they are sick of range anxiety and the wife forgetting to charge it overnight! 😆
How do those victory motorcycle engines manage make such little power for their capacity? 🙄
The four cylinder Kawasaki 750 is more expensive than the Suzuki 1000 as its very rare - its a pre Z900 scarcity.
Yep, I didnt even know the z750 existed..
They are not laws, they are rules. Everyone needs to wake up, this is about loss of freedom of movement, which is a God given right.
Victory didn't go bust Polaris stopped making them to concentrate on the Indian brand.
If you import a USA spec bike into the UK/EEC, it will cost a lot to make it compliant with local regulations, probably more than you will save by buying cheaper from the USA. BE CAREFUL
Just love the Judge, if I have Cruiser again it is one of my favourites having owned the Octane back in 19, or. FatBob, or a new Scout
That UA-cam scrapage video is just click bait. We've left the EU. There's a massive industry here in the UK based on keeping classic cars and motorcycles on the road.
What's more likely, in the end is they will just keep raising the tax on petrol and price us off the road.
We made vids of the Stafford show and auction. Lots of bikes didn't make estimate. A beautiful red CBX1000 6 cylinder went for only 9K
Hi, I wonder if you or some off your liseners know some good podcasts about motorcycle travels? Or travel story's? Thanks
Adventure rider radio!
In regards to pricing , here in the USA, if I wanted to buy an old BSA , Triumph, Norton, Royal Enfield, etc. prices here are at least twice to three times higher than in the UK.
It’s literally the exact reversal, where US stuff over here commands a premium. Fascinating
Interesting! Judging from the ads I see on Facebook marketplace, the opposite seems true to me: plenty of running late 60s 500cc and 650cc Triumph machines going for $2500-$3000 in the US and here in the UK you can't find any under £4500-5000.
But the late nineties and early 2000's Harleys are everywhere and $3500.00 will get you one very nice. As far as I know they are long-lasting ! I'm not a Harley guy !
Really? I know Hitchcock's recently imported a big job lot of old British bikes from the US into the UK. Sounds like they should done the opposite.
This has been debunked. No one is taking your bike from you. Do a google search before you post content like this. Other than that i like your videos.
Dmv mistakes can have your bike taken
Hay Mate , thanks 🙏 for posting the pics of my Moto Guzzi V85tt , it was a fantastic trip . I actually love the Victory Judge probably one ☝️ off the few cruisers I love. I almost bought one myself ( and maybe still will )
Regards
Paul from Australia.
Look forward to your show each week mate 👍
GiddyMate? Damn, you are cold....
Having our vehicle taken away, thats nothing with the digital currency proposal planned for 2026. You will then have your money tracked. And I understand there is a thought where money will have an expiration date - so if you don't use it, you loose it 😆. Nanny state UK is well and truely on its way.
Most people driving 15 year old cars in the US are not enthusiasts, they are low income, retired on social security, or on welfare. So to me this law sounds like an attack on the poor. Is it different in the UK? My truck is a 1994. I don't have it because I think its special, I have it because I bought it for $1800 several years ago an its still running. To buy the equivalent new 4x4 3/4 ton diesel truck, I would have to sell my 3 bedroom house on acreage, an still would not have enough. So even as someone thats doing ok, a law like that would devastate me financially. Someone just getting by, renting their home an driving a beater back an forth to work, how would they be able to go buy a new car.
One other thing if your gonna spout specs get them right the Victory Judge has 94.2 bhp and 113lb/ft of torque its really annoying when people scare monger and only give half the story and cant quote correct specs
Interestingly, Kawasaki designed the Suzuki GS engine as at the time Suzuki were two stroke manufacturers. A superb engine, I’ve owned a few. The 750 was the strongest of all of them
What's the problem... I thought we'd left the EU...mores the pity ☹️
Exactly. I doubt this will happen, or at least not in that timescale. EVs are not selling. And it's an EU proposal which won't affect the UK even if it happens.
I think this is Brexiters worrying about EU stuff that might or might not happen. Relax!
@gzk6nk not being part of the eu means parlimemt isnt required to follow eu law. That doesnt stop them from following it anyway. The euro 5 is an example, understandable in this case but still. Uk citizenry cant do shit to prevent it
Euro 5 is different. UK does not have to comply with it, but manufacturers will as UK bike market is too small for them to make UK-only bikes.
It's why UK bikes have cats even though emissions are not tested in UK bike MOTs.
Victory Motorcycles are good bikes but they stopped production in 2017 with Polaris saying they will produce parts till 2027. So if you buy one today, you can only be sure of parts availability for the next 3 an a half years. After that you have to hope enough still exist to bring in the aftermarket suppliers. They were not big sellers. So I am betting the price of these crash in the next 3 years. They may become valuable later if parts are picked up by someone else. So someone might make money on them. Or they might end up with a bike they cant get parts for an no one wants to buy. We will just have to wait an see.
Imagine all of those classic Astons going to the scrapper because of a head gasket issue. It ain't going to happen.
Too many people with money/power have Ferrari collections etc.
They're just going to roll over and scrap them? Nah.
I have a 50 year old Yamaha RD200A and a 43 year old Honda CB250RS, both these bike no longer require mot or tax. I assume they are both safe?
I saw a victory judge as I was in San Diego and it had a beautiful patina. It was a stunning bike.
No it would still not be okay if they prewarned us when buying new vehicles. How dare they dictate. Who do they think they are. Don't forget, we vote these muppets in, and we didn't even ask for EU government interference.
Looks like I'm going to be buying every spare part I can get my hands on..all the big wigs have definitely got their hands burnt with them EVs,
Bikes are cheap in the USA in the current market for some reason. I think it's b/c many people are having a hard time paying for rent, mortgages, fuel , and food. Not much left over for niceties. You should see the price of used Bonnevilles and Interceptors. You'd get a boner😁
A few people have already commented on this but anyone as old as me (60+) would have been shaking their heads that you don’t know why Kawasaki two stroke triples are so revered. You are right about Vincent’s but you could have added Brough Superior as well.
I actually just bought a 2013 Victory Cross Country and it is amazing. I paid only $7500 for it. It needed some repairs done, and it was very easy at the dealership. The dealership here where I live, has committed to repair Victory motorcycles as long as they can keep getting parts for them.
Victory's have service stuff that can only be done by the dealer's computer. May as well buy a John Deere with all their service and DRM woes.
This is way beyond the Orwellian dystopian future of 1984.
Freddy, Do Americans and the British have any freedoms anymore ? Can America and Britain alone correct any proposed climate problems ?
It’s hilarious how the UK government and suchlike but other countries do what ever they want. The reason I will never return to 3rd world UK 😂
Does the 30 year old geezer actually work, as he seems to be on a permanent holiday!
Yes, we both work full time.
Ev isn't the answer because carbon isn't the problem.
Keep the sheep scared and keep them in line. 😢
10+ years old vehicles are more sustainable if properly maintained
I can just imagine some one taking his ferrari GT250 to the scap heap 😂 not
Amazed by the prices…could it be because of the retro boom. ?..
importing sounds good but you can pretty much double that cost for shipping and taxes to get it here
Respect Nick. Welcome to the biker club ✌️🤍
Freddy, the Suzuki gs1000 is a 4 cylinder inline.
The 74' H2 is a freaking 3 cylinder 2 stroke 80hp monster. It makes sense it's 6 times the price. It was called the widow maker at the time. Cose is was a strength like monster and horrible in the twistes
It's a Z2 not an H2. Four stroke, inline 4, sold only in the local Japanese market if I recall correctly.
Victory didn't "go bust", Polaris closed it down in favour of Indian.
That has been pointed out to him multiple times. Freddie doesn't know much about bikes or biking and he doesn't want to know. He'd rather just spout nonsense and go on holiday!
That will be me stuffed then,I have nine 1940’s 50’s Nortons that belonged to my Dad 😡
Unless you love to ride them or have sentimental value I'd recommend getting them gone as soon as possible.. (not financial advice) I'm assuming as you inherited them they were all free . Bikes from the British bike era have pretty much lost their appeal it's all Japanese and Italian now that attracts the attention.
Note those prices are 'with premium' so you need to take off fees etc from there to get the actual money the owner gets which is 15% on the sale price
My Citroën 2CV is a 1971 in perfect condition. My Buick is a 2003 in very good condition. My 2000 ST1100 is a wonderful bike.
How is ripping resources out of the Earth and using fossil fuels to manufacture new vehicles better for the environment than simply keeping these old vehicles on the road?
As long as the UK don't move the goalpost my 1979 Bonneville is safe and my 2015 Tiger 800 can be scrapped. The difference is even though it doesn't need MOT or road tax I MOT it for insurance peace of mind. If that rule ever came to the UK I'd simply stop taking it for MOT, as allowed, so they'd never know if there was anything dodgy like frame etc.
You can then own the car or motorbike, but you cannot use it on PUBLIC roads... EL-Bikes are not realistic for many years yet. The batteries must be lighter and better... Electric cars/MCs are not globally environmentally friendly, only local improvement.
Government is off the rails.
They aren't having any of mine. This is my hill.
I guarantee that automakers are the ones lobbying for this law to be passed, so that people have to buy a new vehicle every so many years. The environmental impact is a lame excuse that you'd have to be all but brain dead to accept. The CO2 contributions of enthusiast vehicles likely accounts for less than 1% of global emissions. How cowardly and insulting it is for the captains of industry to put the burden on private citizens when corporate waste is responsible for the vast majority of greenhouse gasses.
In the words of Garcia Lorca: "I will always be on the side of those who have nothing, and are not even allowed to enjoy the nothing they have in peace". This proposed legislation is nothing short of outright tyranny; an almost cartoonish example of big, unaccountable government run amok. Great video as always, Freddy.
You should try the Yamaha Raider 2008-2016 113 ci 100hp and 124 ft lbs of torque stock
At the stafford show a very nice Kawasaki Z1100 only £2000. So much bike for no money. I watch every auction online that i can and i have to say thats where to buy. That Vmax will bring serious money in the future. Great stream 👍👍👍
Why are they allowed to charge such high prices for bike hire, that alone sounds like a scam. I had a very quick look and local to me you can hire a R Nine T or a T120 for £680 for a week.
As regards classics. People buy them for that old school look. Unfortunately with the modern classic boom you realise that you can have it all, looks reliability and rideability! Keep warm.
This is an EU proposal WE ARE NOT IN THE EU anymote it does not apply to uk
It will with all our Pro EU MPs and governments
This is legislation proposed by the European Union. The U.K is no longer a member of the European Union so unless our Government chooses to adopt this piece of legislation then this would not affect the UK.
You just know they will
@@ThePresidentofMars Well that depends on where we are in the election cycle and how many people are opposed to it. No Politician wants to tie themselves to a vote loosing policy and there are a lot of old bikes and cars in this country. Plus the classic car market is driven by rich people and rich people don't like having their investments f**ked.
I've been impressed with the quality of Victory Motorcycles ever since I saw them displayed at a Beaulieu bike show over ten years ago. Note however that Victory did not go 'bust', it was under the Polaris umbrella and the brand was originally created so that Polaris could get a slice of the v-twin pie, mainly in the States. However, as Victory had no history, despite, arguably, producing better bikes, they could never overcome the 'heritage' advantage that came with the Harley brand and so sales struggled to take off. When Polaris acquired the rights to Indian, they decided to put all their bike eggs into that basket, trading on the inherent heritage that came with the Indian badge. Consequently, although the two companies traded side-by-side for a few years, it was decided that the Victory brand was no longer needed and so the company ceased production in 2017. Polaris pledged to continue to provide Victory spares and technical support for the following ten years. I think Victory was an important stepping stone for Polaris in establishing Indian as a genuine and credible competitor to Harley and, while there may not have been a viable market for Victory's products, they did not actually go 'bust'.
Thank you Freddie for your channel. It's a breathe of fresh air. Real world content for a real life person. Congrats 🙏💯🙏
What has happened to your chin?
Nothing… that I know of😳
Hi. Enjoy your videos. Stayed at same place in Ouarzazate as seemed nice, just 3 weeks ago. Whay not mention pay per mile as it has already been passed in law. Did you know they want us off the road and can i ask you to look as wef document 2020
You mention importing Harleys - there are a good few companies doing that already, selling the bikes with or without uk V5's. Cheaper if you register them your self.
The first thing you’re going to have to do ,if you drag one of those two wheeled USA locomotives back to the U.K. , is fit a headlight that shines a beam in the correct direction , to get it through an MOT .
Great discussion points all of interest to me. Re Bonhams auctions worth remembering 15% buyers premium needs adding and no returns on a dud purchase. It’s a real shame Polaris pulled the plug on the Victory but it wasn’t a big seller, emissions were going to be an issue and Indian brand name was a winner. They are well engineered, fantastic to ride but be prepared for corrosion. British classic owners are now sadly getting old and younger owners idea of a classic is 20 years newer and Japanese or European. I think that’s why old bike prices are dropping. I also sadly think younger owners don’t have the skills or interest in fettling so much. Missed the insurance post so will go back and view now. 👍
Also you need to add 20% VAT to the premium, bringing it up to 18% total. Totally agree with your points about the drop in the pre 60's classics, also the market is getting somewhat flooded as the owners pass away. Many riders now prefer a modern classic as they have the looks without the breakdowns, oil leaks, bad brakes, vauge handling etc. etc.
Thanks for the tip, I've not had any corrosion on any of my Victory bikes. Might be due to the Climate here in Australia and that I use WD40 after washing.
Don’t forget, there’s an awful lot of hassle importing bikes when you get it back into the UK. Inspections, insuring an import etc.
I went around the world in my early fifties - not on a bike - but still an absolute adventure - Though did ride a bike in Vietnam, amazing place
You need to read up on your classic bikes mate!
Those Honda CR93's are pretty rare.
If you buy unseen a bike in the US for a 1 month holiday, you might find, when you get there, it' requires work to get it in a fit state for your holiday. Your month could go by and you spend it sorting the bike!
A friend sold his Vincent Rapide to put down a substantial deposit on his house........his house in Gosforth (Newcastle) is now more less than the Vincent !
The car in the background of that guy's garage is a VW type 3 notchback
Yup! I traded nice beretta A400 12gauge for a rebel 250 🇺🇸 once
Parents went away while you were there and turned the heating off.. coincidence.. right see you next Tuesday
chewsday 😂
Biggest engine doesn’t mean best or even fastest on a Harley. Try a good DYNA Freddie
Happy I'm a retired expat living in Thailand. None of that idiotic proposed legislation here
Still 33c here in Sri Lanka Freddie you are bound to feel the cold in Blighty.
Prices will drop more for certain older vehicles due to the buyers becoming scarce.
You can’t insure a local bike in another country unless you have an address there, so buying one to ride there would be difficult 😐
It's funny even though my notifications are set to all with your chanel, I'm never notified!
To paraphrase the IT Crowd, if you haven’t already tried it switch the All to None and then back again
@@stewy62 ok , will do. Thanks
The car looks like a Triumph Herald possibly.
Interesting session Freddie. I own a Victory Octane; I love it and as you highlight, the build quality is indeed excellent. To be clear, there's very little between some Victory models and their Indian cousins so keeping the defunct brand/machines on the road could be easier than at first might appear. Cheers
Sold my Octane to buy this judge and put $3k in my pocket, I loved the Octane but the parts were hard to get here in Australia and expensive
Freddie, try American Cruiser UK, they import fantastic clean, never seen road salt bikes they are online based Salisbury👍
I’ve never come across them, thank you for this🙌🏻
A lot of good old American muscle for sale out there🆒😎👍!
Weather bitter Freddie. Cant be. weather bloke said its warmest april , since the dinosaur . Climate scam grifters for you. 🚾
Freddie, please do not spread misinformation. The rumor about EU's ban to repair old vehicles has been denied and there are several fact-checking articles disproving it. A simple google search with the terms fact checking ban repair old vehicles will result in several of these articles with the facts.
The EU is going out of control so lets wait for it actually to happen
@@Shifty-t5w Not sure what you mean with out of control. Any political body needs to be constantly monitored, specially with the lack of transparency in lobbying activities. The EU institutions are no different. If the topic of conversation was e.g. the attempt to undermine cryptography on messaging apps and the attack on citizen's privacy rights, sure (this is actually something that is happening right now). But on this topic, so far, what is being rumored holds no water. It's good EU citizens keep vigilant, but spreading falsehood has no benefit, it actually helps the lobbying groups that might be pushing for such nonsense
Hey mate , love your videos, just wanted to mention, not sure if anyone else has or not , but did you change the name of the victory seller on eBay ? As her name was A NET CURTAIN haha
I promise you, no alterations were made😆
@@tuesdayatdobbs hahaha
Freddie, a few weeks ago you were thinking about which bike would be your next one. Has this topic been postponed for the time being, as your Bonneville is getting a second life? In May, when I - hopefully - get my A license, I'll be faced with the exact same question regarding my first bike: Common sense (Transalp) vs. character (Bonneville/V7).
Honda NC750X. Most versatile and 'easy to learn your trade on' bike going...
Any of those three!
Hi Victor, yep I’m not now considering a new bike as my Bobneville will genuinely be like a new bike (better than I ever thought it’d be)👌🏻
I'm not anti-Harley, but I'm not sure they are 'for the older gentleman'. That's because they are very heavy, and older gentlemen have arthritic knees etc! An uphill start at a T junction with a steep road camber might lead to dropping it.
You’ve never ridden one😂
@@jayneteale9782 Haven't I? My memory may not be perfect, but I know what I've ridden.Which you don't.
Major breakdown or damage on a 15 year old vehicle will usually always mean the end anyway.
Until they come for your 1.5 million dollar Ferrari….. or or or historical piece
@@ewetho just keep any repairs a secret. If you have a crash it could be awkward declaring it could mean they take the car.
I'd be too embarrassed to ride a HD. I just don't get it.
You're not alone! I sat on one once only. I didn't like it!
Poor love ❤
Having ridden for decades and raced for a number of years, without doubt the most exciting part of riding is going around corners. Any bike that's crap at that is at the bottom of my list.
*I'm pretty sure that a "Holliday" Edition Bonneville with original **_The Wurks_** graphics will sell for £5,000.* Maybe more at auction.