Lincoln V12 engine families 448, 382, 414, ( zephyr ) 267, 292, 306
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- Опубліковано 14 лис 2023
- Today on what it’s like engine episode Wednesday lincoln v12 engine families
Two distinct eras of Lincoln v12
The model K v12 and the Zephyr V12
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Here is an interesting fact. The Hot Rod Lincoln song was first released in 1955.
Even though the song has legs, the Original was Charlie Ryan, and the Livingston boys from Kalispell Montana. The Hot Rod Lincoln really existed.
It was a shortened Lincoln frame, and running gear, under a model A coupe body. The race with the Cadillac sedan also happened. Charlie, and his friend, Raced up U.S. Route 95 in Idaho to the top of Lewiston hill. This song has been covered by Johnny Bond, Commander Cody, and his list planet airmen - (my favorite version!) and Highway 101. Crazy facts from the distant past.
Thank you for this info! Dave...
I'll just add, for anyone who wants to look it up, the original song by Charlie Ryan was called 'Hot Rod Race" and it depicted the hot rod Lincoln racing against a Mercury.
@@livewire2759 As near as I can tell "Hot Rod Race" was a number one hit in 1950 by Arkie Shibley and his mountain dew boys. He races a Mercury out of San Pedro.
@@livewire2759 Further research tells me that, "Hot Rod Lincoln" was written and released in 1955 by Charlie Ryan, as Hot Rod Lincoln. It was part two to the story of "Hot Rod Race" realeased in 1950 by Arkie Shibley.
@@livewire2759 A final detail I discovered; at the end of the hot rod Race song, they were passed by a souped up model A. In the "Hot Rod Lincoln* song. The line is I was driving that Model A. That passed the Ford, and Mercury in the Hot rod Race song.
38’ Zephyr V12 seems like the ultimate classic Ford to me.
=) sweet
My father told me of one of his relatives whom owned a Lincoln. Visiting his home in order to enter the drive way, the vehicle would have to climb a steep incline. The Lincoln V12 could do this in 3rd with no issues!
The Big 12s, both of them, were fine engines. They didn't have as much power as the Packard and Pierce-Arrow V12s, but they weren't as big either.
My dad had a 38 Zephyr when he was a teenager. It suffered the same problems as described, so a V8 replaced it. The V8 worked fine but it was shorter and the fan was too far away from the radiator. Had to keep moving. Good looking car though!!
Thank you so much for sharing your experience with the car =) I got to review one for the channel that had a flathead v8 instead of the 12
The Zephyr wins with an extra heartbeat every time. That 34 two door Zephyr steals me heart! I have only seen one and there is no car I would want more than one of those.
There was no Zephyr in 34.
Hi Justin, outstanding video! The classic car news media states that the 1956 Continental Mark II was Lincolns first personal luxury car, but in the mean time, they forget about the 1936-1942 Lincoln Zephyr three window coupe. Dave...
Hey Dave glad you dig this video. Yeah there was personal luxury cars before totally agree
I would love the 1940 Continental (arguably the most beautiful of all Ford products) and the 1934 Model K. Love a nice roadster.
Groovy choices =)
I think the '32 KB is a really beautiful automobile, I'd go with that, and the '37 Model K!
Thanks now I got to look up v12 Lincoln engines running to see what they sound like lol
Yeah I should make that a part of the episode going forward =)
More than likely would have to use peoples footage and I don’t know what the legality is of that I’ll have to look into that I know there’s other UA-cam channels that use other peoples footage
Excellent research and graphics. Thank you.
Thank you =) happy you dig this episode
I'll take the '32 KB (that rakish style!) and the '48 Continental (something vaguely Tucker-esque about it).
Sweet choices =)
Gary over at the Canton Classic Car Museum made a great point about these V12 and V16 engines- They didn't make them for more power, but for more smoothness when running. Lycoming straight eight engines put out almost twice the power of these V12's, but with a lot of vibration. You could put a glass of water on a running V12 and the water wouldn't be disturbed at all.
Yes very true thank you so much for sharing that =) I wonder how much the lycoming vibrates
@@What.its.like. I've seen one running in an Auburn, and it does give some stress to the motor mounts.
Next year I want to get into some power players like Duesenberg and try to do some auburns I would love to cover at least one Bugatti next year Delahaye
@@What.its.like. Great plan! I'll be starting the next phase of my channel later next year- the cars of world war I.
They made them for both, more power and more smoothness/silence. The Packard V12 made 165 horsepower in 1932, soon 175 horses. The Cadillac V16 made 165 horsepower, then 185 horses. The Lincoln Big 12s made 150 horsepower. Those figures were among the highest horsepower of any stock unmodified cars when they were new.
1937 Zephyr is the only one for me 🤔
Great Styling... Lincoln was always a little boxy 🤔 great episode
Happy Motoring ✌️🤠👍
Sweet choice =)
Glad you dig this episode
WYR: For the first group, any of them. Second group, 1934 Model K. It's alway fascinated me how these engines (as an aggregate) seemed under developed. Henry was starting to get cranky around this time and I think it was impacting things. But the styling - oh Edsel might not have penned these designs, but his influence in running the company was beginning to show. Thank you as always - Chuck
Sweet choices =)
I was worried with this one because information on first group of engines was hard to get information for the second group was easy
You did know Cadillac started out as Ford...now that is s nasty story for you...
37 Zephyr
38 K
Song? Got me...
Yes Henry Leland took over the first ford motor company it was nasty
Great choices
Actually, it was Henry Ford's 2nd attempt to start a company... Ford and his investors had a falling out within months of their startup. Ford believed the emphasis should be on more affordable cars and started Ford Motor Company in 1903 to pursue that goal. His partners favored a more premium approach which was the conventional wisdom in 1901-02. Lelyland, an engineer replaced Ford and the enterprise was reorganized as Cadillac which became a successful luxury brand, purchased by General Motors in 1909. Lelyland would go on to start another luxury car producer naming it Lincoln. Initially successful, Lincoln struggled financially and was at risk of failure. Very wealthy and encouraged by his wife Clara and son Edsel, Henry Ford took a certain degree of pleasure in buying Lincoln for less than Leyland's asking price in 1922.
1937 all the way for me. Zephyr is one nice vehicle. Great stuff as usual. Thx
Sweet choices
Glad you dig this video =)
Hi Jay!: Thanks for another magnificent engine episode! It is interesting that Lincoln abandoned the V-8 for such a long time and made only V-12's! Also interesting is the fact that the original Zephyr engine had the same horsepower as the 1964 Corvair I once had!!! WYR#1 Those are ALL NICE! Going to pick the 1940 Continential, though. #2 Going with the '37 Model K. Kind of like that one!
Great points
Awesome choices fun fact Lincoln started that design Mercedes-Benz took it.. look at the 37 Lincoln looks like a cedes but the cedes it looks like comes after the Lincoln it’s interesting
Great vid!!! 🤜🤛
The 37 Zephyr. I always wanted to find an old V12 just to rebuild and have it for shop art
Sweet =)
I was hoping for offers y’all had one laying out back I can pick up and take
Dude! Zephyr. I'd have to take the 48. Song. um. Fred Waring and his Pennsylvanian's, performing Tree's.
Sweet choice
Song was hot rod Lincoln commander Cody
For both scenarios I'm going with the '37 Lincoln models. They're all gorgeous but I like the '37s best.
I've had major issues with my internet provider so that's why I haven't posted comments for a week now.
Sweet choices =)
I hate when that happens
Great episode on an interesting engine family. First pick the whole lot especially the rare 37 Zephyr 2 door sedan, supposedly about 1200 were built between 36-39, second the Continental coupe. Appreciate you including the metric numbers for our international viewers, and enthusiasts.
You bet I’m not going to alienate an audience because we use a different system of measurement I do draw the line however at kilowatt I’m not going to put kilowatt up there because I don’t think electric cars are going to be around forever.. it’s just a fad car just like it was at the turn of the last century..
I'm a Lincoln car nut Jason c huff thank you for the information you gave me please tell me more?mm?
292 from 40-42....good engine if the casting of the block was done ok
My Volvo engine had a 5 main bearings straight 4.
It sounds like cash maybe cocane blues, it's a intro tempo that can work with many 50s artists, I'd say 37 for both choices they are just beautiful
Someone just got it it was Commander Cody hot Rod Lincoln I can’t believe I was able to make that song that sound like that song it’s a very distinctive song
Yeah I thought that but it seemed obvious, rockabilly stuff has intro like cash, keep it going I love this channel
Another fantastic video. Lots of new information to me. My two takeaways are these: What terrible displacement to HP ratios this family of engines had! Seems like other makers did much better. And secondly, I am really surprised at the relatively small number of main bearings supporting such large displacement motors. No wonder they are often viewed as unreliable today. Andy
Glad you dig this episode all very good points =)
Lincoln V12 Zephyr's were fast cars, my neighbor Norm had one in which he said could go 129 mph in. Safety hadn't quite caught up to performance though...
It may not have reached 129 MPH, but the car was fairly light, so yes, it was a pretty quick car. The redesigned 1940 model was heavier, so it was a good thing it's engine was bigger.
Gonna choose both Continentals this round ❤keep up the good work
Thank you =) happy you dig this episode
Great video! I have a 1942 Lincoln Continental coupe. The 306 V12 was originally developed for the Liquimatic Drive transmission which needed more torque. This transmission however was a disaster and Ford replaced them with both a new V12 and conventional manual transmission. Only 24 Lincolns and 400 Mercurys were equipped. My 42 Continental was one of them. A few 46s got some of the leftover 306s when production restarted in 1945.
Awe man awesome thank you so much for filling in those blanks
Out of curiosity where are you located would love to feature that car on the channel ( sorry if this is to direct ) lol
@@What.its.like. I'm near Akron Ohio. I also have a UA-cam channel and have a couple of videos about my Lincoln as well as my other cars. Here's a link to the video on my 42 Lincoln Continental.
ua-cam.com/video/tpra2r0-zgo/v-deo.htmlsi=CWEwHx7Gb9LkztXG
Sweet did you put her away for the year yet if your up for it I’d love to feature it
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That Liquamatic was replaced with stick/overdrive, but the 305/306 V12 was not replaced, rather, early in the 46 model year the bore was returned to the 292 size, as the 305 version left the cylinder walls too thin - due to core shift, you often couldn't re-bore it while rebuilding it.
@@jamesbosworth4191 Ford bought back all of the Liquimatic V12s. The reason was the bell housing cast into the block was unique to the Liquimatic only and not interchangeable with the regular manual transmission. All Lincoln Liquimatic cars were supposed to be fit with a new V12 block, and matching manual transmission with overdrive and new torque tube. Also included in the kit was the glove box emblem that simply said Lincoln instead of Lincoln Liquimatic Drive. There were only 24 305 Liquimatic blocks released. Ford made about 300 adapter plates for the Mercury Liquimatic blocks of 400. They made every attempt to erase this transmission from history and today there is only one known Liquimatic transmission to exist. It's still bolted to a Mercury V8 and resides in the Early V8 Ford museum in Auburn Indiana. I have a 1942 Lincoln Continental coupe which was one of them. It still has the Liquimatic badg and is confirmed through the Ford museum archives as one of those cars
I'm surprised at how small the bores were in some of these...
I know right.. that zephyr v12 had small pistons and was just small over all 4.4L that’s crazy
@@What.its.like. Certain Ferrari and Lamborghini V12s have small bores like that.
Strikes me as odd that they would choose 65 and late 75 degrees as bank angles. Doesn't 60 degrees make more sense geometrically for V12 engines?
@@billyjoejimbob56 It's one of life's great mysteries I guess.
@@What.its.like. The 30s version was 267 Cubic Inches, and the 40s version was either 292 cubes or 305 cubes. Small for a V12.
Neighbor had a v12 Willoughby limo as in your plx smoked a lot was A early 30s. shoffer drove a fraser vagabond
Interesting
7.3L=445 ci; if the engine is 3.3x4.5", the displacement is 462ci ...
www.conceptcarz.com/s11772/lincoln-model-kb.aspx
Simply a V8 60 with 4 additional cylinders.
Some wags said it was two 60 horse Ford 6 cyl bolted together, causing twice as much trouble as two Ford 6s.
Hedgehoppers anonymous
Not that band.. I thought the song was easy lol
1937 Zephyr
Eh,,,not a Lincoln fan until the late 50s,,, although it's great when motorcycles and cars have airplane type engines in them
Tommy James and the Shondales I think we're alone now 🤷🤞
Great guess not that song or band
If you like the small H series V12, stay away from the 1936 - 41 engines. They suffered from weak connecting rod caps that would be easily pulled out of round, an undersized oil pump, small oil passages, and poor cooling. The 1942 and 1946 - 48 engines were substantially improved, and even they were not the greatest engines of all time.
Thank you so much for sharing all of that insight and information I greatly appreciate it I was really bummed that I could not find that much information on the model K V12 i’m usually very good at finding manuals that explain stuff manuals don’t exist for that or at least I couldn’t find any and it was disappointing.
@@What.its.like. Manuals for the big V12s do exist, but you might have to Save A Search for them on E-Bay, as most of the book stores we used to have and enjoy are all gone, and the chains that replaced them have no interest in shop manuals for older cars, only late-model Japanese cars. Keep in mind though that E-Bay's Saved Search feature is not all that good. You will get E-Mails for shop manuals for engines other that what you saved a search for.
The 40 continental and the 37 Lincoln I thought I heard some of the v 12s were boat anchors they were replaced with the 337s and even 346 Cadillac v8 s
Sweet choices =)
The original 267 version of the small H series engine and the 1940 - 41 292 version. They suffered from weak connecting rod caps, small oil passages, poor cooling, and an undersized oil pump. The 1942 and 46 - 48 engines were better.
I especially enjoy these segments dedicated specifically to engines. The evolution of engine design is fascinating. I do have one question: why do you use both US and metric units of measurement for torque but only US measurements for all other specifications?
Millimeter for bore and stroke sizes listed there as well I just don’t say it
He DOES use metrics for all specs.
They are printed, but they are not announced (except horsepower, which should be reported in KW to be consistent). It seems very odd to me to announce only the torque specs using both the metric system and US system. It breaks up the continuity of delivery without adding any benefit.@@jamesbosworth4191
The 120 horsepower 292 V12 was used in 1940/41, not 41/42, and the 1947/48 292 made 125 horsepower and 230 LBS. FT. of torque.
Awesome thank you so much for that correction
I have to say it's surprising to learn how low compression and HP was achieved by these V-12's.
Yeah as Bill just said from vintage car history war cylinders didn’t equal more power it equals more smoothness The model key engine is the better of the 2V 12s it doesn’t have any of the issues the later one has
I was very surprised by the low compression as well I would have bet around the 8:1 sort of mark
That was not low compression for that era. Remember, there was no 100 octane automotive fuel back then, just like there was none in the 70s, 80s, or 90s. That kind of fuel was available only from the mid 50s - the beginning of the 70s.
@@What.its.like. More cylinders may not mean more power, but it does usually more more cubic inches, and more cubic inches means more power. Period.
Another great engine overview, Jay. I'll take the '40 Continental and the '37 Lincoln convertible sedan.
Sweet choices =) I was really bummed the lack of information on the model K V12
Lincoln Zephyr and 48 Lincoln
Pair of 37s wouldnt ya😊
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The V12 looks to have hadthe exhaust manifold on the top near the inlet manifold on the earlier photo but at 4.29 it has changer to the V8 style underneath?
Not really familiar with the Big 12s, either of them, but the small Zephyr V12 had the exhaust manifolds on the outside of the V.
I wonder why that early Lincoln V12 was a 65° design. I've tried to work out the math and don't understand why that was chosen. Anyone know why it's 65°? I would love to know why.
Yeah i have no idea why they chose that angle
I’m walkin’ Fats Domino
Great guess it’s not that song or band
The '37 Model K, please.
Awesome =)
WYR: All of them. Old Lincolns are amazing.
NTT: I think it's from the '70s, but it's hard to tell.
=)
1932 K
1937 K
Sweet choices the 37, Mercedes took that look from Lincoln
The 37.
Sweet =)
I think the first engine is the best, because it had 7 main bearings.
Engines, in which number of main bearings is not equal number of cranks +1, is of inferior design
Yeah I have no idea why they went to less main bearings I guess cheaper to build but I totally agree with you
@@What.its.like. yes, why bother with all this "V12" thing and then make it cheap? Marketing maybe, V12 under the hood is cool. But better they'd make some good inline 6, with 7 main bearings, DOHC, that could rev high and make good horsepower
V-type engines usually have two con rod journals between main bearings... 5 mains in V8 engines, 4 mains in V6s... and even in some I-6s like the Mopar slant 6.
The second generation Flat-head V12 with just 4 mains, clearly was based heavily on the Ford Flat-head V8, which had only 3 mains.
@@dima343.Luxury cars were never about high revs, they were about lots of low-end torque. If they had a lot of horsepower, it was because they had lots of cubic inches, not because they revved high.
@@jamesbosworth4191 Okay, but still 7 main bearings better than 4, more equal load distribution, longer engine life. What irritates me, they first made normal engine with 7 main bearings (and more powerful), ant then made cheaper version, maybe more convenient to mass produce, but inferior in design. They thought customers are dumb and wouldn't notice
1940 Continental-
37 ZEPHYR.........37 MODEL K
Sweet I think the choices would be hard they’re all gorgeous cars
Why doesn't it have 6 exhaust ports?
I know it’s weird right if you look at the flathead Ford V-8 design it only has three exhaust ports and a lot of companies mimic that for years like the two cylinders in the middle shared the same exhaust port why they didn’t each get their own from the beginning is beyond me
1932, 1934
I would rather... go with the '32 and the '34. I usually go for post war designs, but that's when Ford started making all of their cars ugly as sin. (just my opinion, don't shoot me!)
I'm gonna guess the song is either 'Hot Rod Race' or 'Hot Rod Lincoln' based on the video's subject... but there are many versions of boths songs, so Idk...
I totally agree if you were to guess which song and which artist
@@What.its.like. Well, I'd have to go with the most popular version, but someone else already mentioned it... 'Hot Rod Lincoln' by Commander Cody and His Lost Planet Airmen.
It was hot Rod Lincoln by Commander Cody I gave credit to someone else who didn’t directly say it was hot Rod Lincoln but he had a bunch of Music trivia about that song so I thought he was implying that was his guess so I gave it to him
The Lincoln Y Block? Would like to know more.
Definitely going to cover that on here one day not entirely sure when though
32
Sweet =)
Back Then The Only Good Lincoln Engine Was OVH V8 About 317 cid Produce 1952/53/54/55. Lincoln Took First,Second, Third, Fourth Place In The Mexican Road Race About Twenty One (2100) Hundred Miles Long From Tuxtla Gutierrez, Chiapas, To Ciudad Juarez Mexico First In Its Class, Four (4) Yr. Exactly. Through Dirt ,Muddy, Windy Road Sea level To Ten Thousand Feet (10,000) . Note Ray Crawford WWII Fighter Pilot ACE First Place Car #149 I Think . Lincoln Had Fifty (50) gal Tank Back Seat Area and The Stock Gas Tank Twenty One gal. Twelve Inch Brakes Special Spindles To Rise The Car Height Special Radiator I Think Four (4in) Core Roll Bar I Believe Rolldex Map For The COpilot Info,Advise ETC. The Nineteen Fifty Five Lincoln Replace The Hydromatic Trans With Ford Type Trans (Turbo Drive ) A Very Bad Move .The Hydro Was GM Trans. Ford Had To Offer Special Equiptment Production Lincoln More Info Coming If You Want Happy Trails To You T38 Bill
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Wasn't the 56 - 57 just an enlarged 317? I agree about the replacing the Hydramatic with Turbo Drive. Very bad move, not only was it unreliable, it hurt performance, and performance had been that era Lincoln's strong point.
Lincoln V-12 = Ford & 1/2.
The zephyr v12 pretty much so
Weak specs.
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Stop with the metric crap, cubic inches, and foot pounds, it's an American engine.
AMEN! I for one am sick and tired of this forcing of metrics on us. I don't care what the Germans and the Japanese want. WE won the war. THEY LOST.
This show is featured worldwide it would be a huge disservice to the people seeing it in foreign countries that didn’t have the metric equivalent with that said not doing kilowatt
Imperial measure is sheer genius.
Metric is decimal.
Imperial configures to time and base 2 substrate.
I have the quants', but they're proprietary. I'll keep them -- A DOD clearance level in tactical and strategic application potential.
It is astounding how clueless textbook academics are about certain dynamics within existential reality...
status quo
@@What.its.like. There is nothing wrong with showing the metric equivalents, but there is MUCH wrong with more and more showing the metric measurements first, and as is starting to show up nowadays, ONLY the metric measurements. DO NOT DO THAT TO US! You are Americans, so we American viewers should be at least equal to foreigners, not an afterthought.
Welcome to the 21st century. ‘America” covers two continents. Go back to using libraries if you can’t deal with it, pumpkin.