X-Men 97: Magneto Was Right
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- X-Men 97: Magneto Was Right
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Nightcrawler in the teleportation scene looked back at Logan like:
"You liked that shit didn't you?"
"Shit was hard wasn't it?"
Straight up
Mystique abandoned nightcrawler yet took rogue in. Mystique is a mutant to. She's also a hypocrite. She abandoned him due to his mutation.
She did cry when she left Nightcrawler showing she cared. Doesn't excuse what she did but she was deeply saddened by it.
This is a interesting result changing view point(and not for the better) & irony:
_ At 1st she is ashamed of being a mutant thus she tried to hide as a human & marry a human but Nightcrawler's birth expose her so she ditched him
_ Then she joined Magneto's cause & become overly prideful of being a mutant(seeing mutant as superior to human) so she hook up with a mutant- Saber Tooth but ironically gave birth to a normal human-Guyrick. So she abandoned him to his father abuse. Of course she never bothered to look for Kirt-her mutant son
_ Since natural birth didn't give her the perfect child, she chose adoption. Finding a perfect child(by her standard)-Rouge & raise her. This child is of course her favorite & ironically the one that chose to leave her
Correct me I wrong, but haven't some comic explanations revealed that Mystique gave up Nightcrawler because Destiny, his other mother, foresaw they would have to do so for a good future? I believe the comics even explained they went Charles to alter their memories to help forget the hard choice, but Raven didn't want to forget her son.
I wouldn't be surprised if we get this reveal, that she has had to put her feelings aside follow the instructions of her fortune-telling partner.
@@DuskyPredatorThat is a retcon that doesn't work and breaks 40 years of continuity and stories, my friend.
@@DuskyPredator It also wouldn't work in this show as Destiny is not part of it, the episodes Bloodlines already revealed Nightcrawler's origins with the Baron and Mystique as his parents and the plothole filled reason the recent retcon gave as to why he was abandoned in the first place breaks another established piece of the lore in the show since Days of Future Past was adapted by it (Nightcrawler is one of the first mutants to die in 616 following Kelly's assassination, which was done at the hands of Mystique, and he's nowhere around in that dystopian future shown in the show which means he's collateral damage they didn't consider one bit or care about).
Edit : Rephrasing and typo.
It’s super ironic how Bastion’s answer to stopping the Mutant population is by turning the humans into prime sentinels, basically making them “superhuman”
People who are blinded by hate, fear, and prejudice never realize or acknowledge their own double standards without some serious outside help.
Honestly I don't think it's something that they're missing even the executioner said you didn't think we'd find a way to evolve and it's simple as this either they deal with random genetic freaks coming out in order to tell them who they're going to be or they make or take control and Ogden themselves to have the powers that they want or need
The simple fact of the matter is if tranotion was going to be a thing it was gonna have borders and an army that means that we need one in kind in order to face mutants so building up a form of sentinel is legit it's planning an unprovoked preemptive attack that's the problem
I knew it's not unhostile to elect a guy who threw 4 nukes at a coastal city as her leader especially when you have many flags throughout the nation proclaiming him a hero and someone who's mindset is to be followed and honored
The only reason he has to kill more people than in genosha but for now is because storm and Charles stopped him.
More importantly I can't help but be disgusted by the fact that my meadows letting him self be taken in by the proposition of a f***** you've been given 2 pills by a person in power if there is one thing that the matrix for late a very explicit people who have power that are offering you a choice aren't they're tricking you
Also many prime sentinels didn't ask to be this way. An irony one of the mutants should have pointed out.
When everyone is super... no one will be
@@uanime1 bastion claims different. But I doubt his mother and EVERYONE in his town volunteered
The whole Cable “not being able to prevent Geneosha from happening”thing has been explained before in marvel by the ancient one. There are certain nexus points where certain events have to happen no matter the universe. In this case, Geneosha must always be destroyed by sentinels.
CANON EVENT
XD
@@Ramsey276onethat’s what I was gonna say lol. Spider-Verse explains that Canon Events can never be changed (so far)
@@andrewrowland1989 Imagine if successfully changing one causes something INCONCEIVABLE to happen as a reaction?
Dr. Strange: *WTAF*
Marvel needa put me in charge because i will happily break that rule a thousand times over
It could also be that Bastion is using his control over machines to send Cable back each time he tries to stop what happened.
Nightcrawler is right about family being a choice but I don’t always think that applies exclusively to found family. Some parents choose to make their children feel special and try to make them feel loved. Some live through their kids as a living avatar for them to push their own dreams on.
Magneto was always right. So was Professor X. But so is the government. That’s what’s makes X-Men so good. And so relatable. Everyone is a protagonist from their point of view. Everyone is a villain from their point of view. And in the end, no matter how evolved or enhanced or mundane we become, we are ALL just…human.
That emp surly killed mutants along with humans.
yes but the sentinels were going to kill ALL mutants and any humans who tried to stop them
Imagine how many planes fell off the sky after what Magneto did
They should’ve shown it. His actions had severe consequences around the globe. Why only show the Hybrid Sentinels being affected and not the other unintended results?
@@TheLifeOnHigh literally shows a nuclear reactor going down
There is no going back with this one. How many people did Magento just kill from, crashing planes, sailors in submarines underwater, reactors going critical, people who refrigerate their incline shots or the ones on life support?
I mean, unless you count time travel lol
Had to be done for the sake of mutants across the globe.
@@Bluesit32 But that just ruins the narrative in the grand scheme of things; the ending of Avengers: Endgame comes to mind.
Honestly, it shouldn't be done for the sake of a "happy ending".
@@comyxcon4gaming860 You think this is going to have a happy ending?
OZT, a world government sanctioned, black book program, kills easily thousands of mutants in one stroke, and you expect Magneto to pen a strongly worded letter? Keep licking that boot of respectability politics.
i know magneto has magnetic powers, BUT flying in udnerwear in a snowstorm? thats a real power! xD
What about the iron in his blood?
@@nachro2190 lol i was talking about his cold resistance.
@@nachro2190 That is how he stays warm. He heats the iron in his blood via magnetic power...yeah that is a stupid theory. I am sure the show will use it.
Honest to heavens, most likely just the writers fetish. Whoever it may be, I didn't think they were going for Daddy Magneto that hard until this episode
@@nachro2190 Remember its Current Year Writers doing this.
"See what happens when you put people who are actually passionate about the concepts, the characters and the story in charge of the show". And yet, all across the MCU from movies to TV shows, everybody says in interviews "I never read the comics". Brilliant, Marvel. It's like putting atheists in charge of a biblical movie.
I think having atheists produce a biblical film could yield intriguing results. Their lack of belief might lead to a more objective portrayal of the events, while also injecting a creative twist due to their detachment from the subject matter. One could explore alternate timelines or multiverses, envisioning scenarios like a version where Lucifer remains in heaven, albeit begrudgingly, offering a unique slice-of-life perspective. Alternatively, there's the daring concept of Lucifer overthrowing God, either through genuine conquest or a clever switch of roles.
@@SozioTheRogue Let the white people make the potato salad and the macaroni and cheese at the cookout. Allow Dick Clark choose the music selection to dance to on Soul Train. And let people who do not read comic books make tv shows and movies. I think not.
@@SozioTheRogue Actually, that sounds like an interesting idea for an anime. But the characters all need to be cute high school girls, to appease the Japanese audience. And we'll need to work a sentient animal as a sidekick to the group. They also have to pilot robot mecha. And there needs to be an episode taking place on a beach. I don't make the rules of traditional anime, I just enforce them with an iron fist. 😁
The Best Comic Movies ever made were Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame and yet The Russo’s never read a comic in their life and don’t like them.
@@stevew8513 Hella doable. A beach episode could be an alternate timeline where demons and hellfire cover 99.9% of the planet, leaving only a lone beach that just so happens to have all of the fans most favorite biblical characters. A slice of life episode would work well with an alternate biblical school girls episode. All the MCs would all be going to a Japanese school as 1st years. A mecha episode could be the heroic figures of the bible using their enemies as organic fuel for a mecha they built thanks for God giving all of them a vision. of it's blueprint. They go up against versions of the 7 deadly sins, Lucifer and Satan who successfully ruined humanity, came back after the rapture, and just kept the earth going beyond God's appointed renovation day, killing god in their timeline/alternate earth. And lastly, the sentient talking animal companion, cool. Lets call it Lilith, after Lilith. A Dog-Cat. Like a weird color changing, small body, pointy eared cat, sounds like a demon dog from the furthest reaches of hell. They would be moving things in the background, noticeable if you pay attention but can be missed quite easily. Lilith can even get their own episode just before the finale. We can sell Lilith as a super cute marketable plush, every amazing project deserves a chance at making their own super marketable plush.
operation zero tolerance was quite anti climatic in the comics so it's really surprising that they fixed it in this show
Magneto isn't right. He's misguided. He's become the thing he hates the most. If he's right, what does that make the X-Men?
Finally, someone gets the point.
This is why Cyclops is so pivotal.
He is a philosophical amalgamation of the Professor and Magento.
And he is far more right than the both of them.
The Civil Rights comparison never worked for me because it isn’t a good enough comparison.
Mutants make up different races and backgrounds. There has to be something else that makes them different that will transcend timeand race isn't enough.
Ideological differences makes more sense and puts humans and mutants at odds far better than simplistic looks differences.
The first and second amendment are treasured by different people. It isn’t based in looks.
It's based on a belief that people have rights beyond the government gifting them.
With mutants, they would be for both. Being for the right to defend oneself by using what you're born with is a far better stance than how Marvel has set mutants up.
Now that's an argument. That is ongoing. Looks differences is just bland at best.
Who has the right to defend themselves using weapons the authorities or insicisuals?
The Civil Rights comparison never worked for you because you are white, lmao. Stop yapping. You don't get it, and you will NEVER get it. Magneto was right, but I also agree more with Cyclops.
You can say mag was right but he's no different. Him knocking out the power most likely killed a shit load of innocent children and others who don't even have much to say in this hell some may even like mutants. Mag is just the other side of the extreme. I really look forward to his meeting with Charles.
Also feel bad for beast since the reporter seem to really like him and she was ether turned against her will or maybe had some issues with them signed up but then changed her feelings along the way. Though since anyone who does it forgets she couldn't do anything. Ether way is tragic.
I hate what they did to Trish Tilby. She was made an honorary X-Men in the comics.
Was Trish turned into a sentinel against her will? Or was she secretly a Friend of Humanity this whole time and just pretended to tollerate mutants?
@@AgusSkywalker If so she's a hydra cap level sleeper agent.
she was practically carrying water for the Xmen in Genosha and before the massacre.
In fact she was doing everything she could in order to make them look good and palatable to the human audience focusing on their commonality and needs
They keep blowing it
Magneto is just the other side of the coin to Striker: they're both afraid that their own race will be genocided, so they're going to genocide the other race first.
Who cares about Magneto being any different? Don't complain about who shouldn't be getting stung after someone disturbed a hornet nest at the family picnic.
The problem with the "found" family is how fickle they are, as soon as that thing they have in common wanes, so does the connection.
That's one of my MANY problems with the X-men. Almost NONE of them have any kind of moral code or values. (Aside from Magneto)
Pick any Marvel Superhero. You can easily identify their moral values and beliefs. What do ANY of the X-men stand for? Not dying. Being the superior race. Genocide bad, I guess. Nightcrawler is Catholic when the writers remember it, but that's pretty much it.
The X-men are essentially a racist cult who only ever argue over whether Magnito has gone too far or not.
The longer time goes on, the more I root for humanity to deal with these master race motherf#$%ers...
sometimes...
Other times that connection blooms into something more stable.
I'll put it like this. yes there is found family and family requires love and maintenance not merely as demanded but shared and uneven.
but the problem is, all too often, it's a call for escapism
and there isn't as much of that necessary focus on the maintenance and challenges of finding that family and maintaining it.
it soon becomes a matter of, well I've decided who it is I want to associate regardless of commitment and that has its own consequences as well
As an example, I prefer how found family is engaged with in say amphibia as opposed to owl house
@@manticoraus The difference is that blood family comes with a lot of societal baggage that leads to everyone bending over backwards to tell you to do that maintenance over and over and over every time it chafes.
With found family you need to actually put in the effort. The reason it goes wrong so often is that modern people have been taught that relationships are replaceable, and thus the necessary maintenance is no longer being carried out.
my "family" or tribe are the tightest despite our varied interests. I've had these friends for over 10 years and our interests have waxed and waned and jumped all over the place. we are interested in each other's interests. doesn't matter what it is as long as its not hurting anybody and makes them happy, I'm happy to see them happy and want to know more.
Magneto killed more people with his move than bastion did at Genosha.
Emp the planet is not minor
This has always been Magneto's problem, and why Xavier is needed to counter him; Magneto always goes too far and ends up being the same thing he hated, if not worse.
@SoulHero7 this is why Cyclops was right is better.
He is a mixture of the two.
You're understating, but yeah he did. The death toll could be billions. Even back in 97 agricultural equipment depending on electronics and those are gone. Not to mention things like refrigeration. I'm very disappointed by how little they showed happening, because it makes me think they have no idea how destructive a global EMP would be. There were no planes falling out of the sky. No trains suddenly derailing. No cruise ships becoming metal coffins. No Nuclear Engineers praying to whatever God would listen that the mechanical failsafes work. I fear the show is probably going to brush this under the rug without much complaint because I don't think the writers or the audience understands what he just did.
Yea he's just the other extreme side. I mean he most likely killed a ton of innocent children in hospitals and babies.
I have no confidence the writers know what an EMP does to an electronic. I fully expect them to think it's a 'turn it on again' fix.
0:52 BRUH FOR REAL!!! He gave him a waaaay smoother back story! It looks like we have a hit!
'97 is the best thing to happen to X-men AND Marvel in decades.
And Disney is predictably dumb enough to fire him.
6:39 - It's interesting that Magneto's arm number is what it is. I understood it that the number was retconned to 24005.
Significance? I mean I get it's a holocaust thing but why is the specific # important
I literally cant wait for your reviews. This was my favorite show in my childhood, by far. And everything, outside of rogue's voice actress (Gambit passing the torch put aside), is just getting me so excited. I'm so happy to be alive for this, I love this show being back.
I do not know who the composer is on this series, but that scene were Nightcrawler shows that elegant sword fighting skill? Absolute dynamite.
I need this score so bad
Everyone always goes surface level when they do the whole "X-men are minorities" thing. In the real world, minorities don't shoot lasers from their eyes when you piss them off, they are human just like any of us, but mutants are VERY dangerous. Normal humans have a justified and existential fear of mutants especially with characters like Mystique and Magneto running around being literal terrorists.
This is exactly why I hate Krakoa (and to a lesser extent Utopia). When mutants go off on their own and create their own nations, they start to believe they are superior to humans and don't need to share the world with them.
These are the acts of a villain and when youre heroes become villains, there is no one left to be the hero.
Finally, someone voiced this thought. Comparing mutants and minorities in the real world is just stupid. And it has always annoyed me that the authors of "X-Men" are always biased against humanity. From their point of view, people hate mutants only because they are racist. In fact, mutants actually pose a threat.
Mutants and humans should just coexist. Comic writers need to stop trying to give the mutants their own Nation/country because it will just lead to them thinking that they are the superior race to humans.
@@tommyversetti5297
It's like modern comic writers have forgotten what coexistence even means.
@@naquangreen2192 No, I am sorry, but I dont agree with you. Realistically, humans and mutants will not be able to coexist. Mutants, IN FACT, surpass humans in their abilities. This fact will always make people afraid of mutants. And this fear is rational. Let's take a simple example. Will humans and mutants study together in schools? If yes, I'm not sure that anyone would want their child to study with a mutant who can shoot lasers out of his eyes, and any school fight can end fatally. Well, or there may be a telepathic mutant at school who will use his abilities to cheat on exams, which is not fair. Creating a state for mutants is the only realistic option that can somehow smooth out the tension between humans and mutants.
@@tommyversetti5297
That is exactly what the ultimate X-Men comics did by giving the mutants their own state in the US to make their home and it was out in the desert West
Basically acting as a sort of reserve for mutants, if any of them were to leave the reservation then they would be shot/killed as a result of trying to leave the premises
Mutant and human relations did improve later on after the Galactus invasion of the Ultimate universe and Kitty pryde having to be the one to save both humans and mutants from destruction
As a result Kitty was hailed as a hero to the entire world and was even given a pass to leave the reservation, human and mutant relations mellowed/worked out in the end
Human and mutant relations in the Ultimate universe were a lot better after that whole event.
Doctor Doom said he was disgusted by the genocide, which means they got his character.
Brother JSG, you are really Killin' it with this series! What great commentary you can weave when you've got good content to work with. May be just as entertaining as the show itself. Thanks again.
They've set this up beautifully so it leads perfectly into Fatal Attractions and Onslaught. Well Done!
I don't blame Magneto for this. I really hope that Disney rehire Beau Demayo. If there were to be any hope for season 2 and beyond to be better than the first, instead of worse.
Bow Damio lol
I think season 2 is done. It’s season 3 you have to worry about.
Don't blame him ether but he's no different just the other side of extreme. After all what he did most likely killed a lot of innocent kids.
@@positiveecho326the thing is while season 2 is done written they could still go in and change shit since he's gone.
Oh yeah "Bow" because SOME people (for some ODD reason) pronounce "BEAU" as "BIEW", so no wonder.🙄
SImple question - why are ppl glossing over the fact that them saying 'They're there to protect mutants' and ppl are like...well okay...Just putting some inhibitor collars on the ppl we want to 'help' - nah that's b*llsh!t. Your son comes flying into your home filled with terror and you're like...well aight.
It's doublethink so they don't have to think about the consequences of their actions.
If you do trust mutants, you don't need the collars.
If you don't trust mutants, you do need the collars.
You can't have it both ways, but some people always try.
Weak people will invent any excuse...
What can you expect of rich liberals? They will just say "Genosha was a bit much, lets make a fund raise for those poor people" but when push really comes to shove they will do nothing.
This is what I don't get I got the sense that this woman was a steel trap who liked having her things her things
I have no doubt that she's going to mistreat her son and not accept or support his mutant identity but it's still her son I would expect her to circle the wagons as for bunch of people crash her party point guns at her and then say give us your son
The only other way I would play that is She read the room realized it was either give up Her son or Everybody in that room gets a Faithful of laser
Also the x minute haven't exactly covered themselves in glory as of late what would be revealed to a bamboozled the entire world for sympathy points I mean that's a Jesse Smollet s*** the guy from Empire
@AgusSkywalker buddy you think they're liberals?
No, no, that was Republicans and Democrats, but they're not liberals or even leftists. That was a party of corporate politics, the Not My Backyard who show tolerance at a distance
A liberal wouldn't have done that specifically
"You speak of restraint Charles, of forgiving the worst of humanity's sins. But you left us, abandoned our plight for freedom and co-existence for your Shi'ar Bird Queen and the Empire which she invited you to rule.
But us? We had to stay, to walk your path for peaceful co-existence. And for a time that dream was achieved. Imagine old friend; the dream of peaceful co-existence was finally achieved in Genosha, where our kind and humans lived side by side in harmonic prosperity. But we woke from such seductive ideals when the humans and their allies dispatched their mechanical automatons to burn that dream to the ashes which fill a young boy's bleaches skull.
How long old friend, how long will you forgive humanity for its worst offenders before you understand the truth of what we seek; Tolerance is Suicide.
For I make a vow here and now to never again allow a turned cheek to be maimed, never again will we cower from those who seek our extinction. From now own we show our enemies what we are truly capable of.
I offer you this choice, continue to swallow the cyanide pact of Charle's suicide one-sided accountability and forgiveness, or join me and never again will humans have free rein to murder our kind.
Make your choice, my X-Men..."
I am a existence that was here before the beginning of time and I will be here when time ends.
Ah good! I needed someone to confirm weither or not God ''lit a match'' to create the universe....
So which is it?
When we say "Magneto is right" we don't say his acts of terrorism are justified. We say that he is correct in thinking that humans and mutants will always end up clashing. Even if mutants do everything right, people like OZT or FoH will keep appearing until one race is extinct.
And Mangeto's actions are more likely to result in mutants becoming extinct since they're the minority, so even if they wipe out humanity there won't be enough of them to run the world.
When I say magneto was right I mean his acts are justified. That was a last ditch effort to stop mutant genocide. People died but he had no other choice
@@WithoutFear804
"When I say magneto was right I mean his acts are justified."
They're not.
"That was a last ditch effort to stop mutant genocide."
You really believe people aren't going to call for a mutant genocide after the millions of deaths Magneto caused.
"People died but he had no other choice"
Local EMPs would have saved them.
But magneto can never be wrong, he's superior to the oppressors, he can kill anyone and he would still be right. Hell, he's right bc he takes the lives of the oppressors, he can never be wrong.
@@SGR403nice strawman.
Just knowing how much rage Magneto was holding in. It was great to see him use his power on such a grand scale.
Was not expecting nightcrawler three-sword-style
The problem with saying “Magneto was right” is that no one can agree on what that even means. Do you mean “oppressed ppl have a right to use violence to resist oppression” or do you mean “peaceful coexistence with those difference than you is impossible”? Bc the second one is NOT true and a terrible message to send. Using the war in Gaza right now as an example, does that mean that jews and palestinians will NEVER be able to coexist? Does it mean black ppl and white ppl will never be able to exist along each other as brothers and sisters? Bc I saw ppl on twitter saying Magneto is right and that “its either mutants or humans” and thats an insanely harmful thing to believe.
Magneto just killed *millions* of people including mutants! Even more than innocent mutants died in Genosha. Xavier’s message was never “uwu lets never fight back against oppression and beg humans to be nice to us”. That man and his x-men literally fought and defeated bigots and oppressors like the ppl leading the Sentinel program. He just refused to target civilians, bc he believed the lives of humans and mutants are equally precious. That, to me, is who is RIGHT
Worse even than you suggest - if the argument is that Magneto is 'right' in his actions, then the unavoidable implication is that the oppressed group in any situation of historical or contemporary social injustice has the right not just to use limited violence to resist their mistreatment, but large scale indiscriminate violence and mass murder in its 'resistance', up to and including the total extermination of entire demographic groupings. Not only those individuals actually directly responsible for their oppression, but innocent third parties and indeed anyone and everyone who isn't like them, and even plenty of people who are like them who get caught up in the horror show as collateral damage. It is an argument for trying to genocide one's way to some sort of insane utopia, and history has long since taught us the horrors that sort of mindset always leads to.
It is never less than terrifying to see how quickly so many ordinary people will blithely endorse policies that would result in the most nightmarish death and suffering simply because they don't think through the implications of that which they are advocating for. They fall over themselves to such a degree, in their rush to paint themselves as what they imagine to be 'morally righteous', that they wind up arguing for the most heinous evil without even realising it. In a discussion about an animated TV show that might not matter much, but unfortunately such mindsets translate all too readily to entirely real and extremely fraught political and social issues.
@@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954 What it means is that the turning the other cheek, taking the high road or exercising restraint is not always the solution. There are times when you have to fight back.
@@michaelbannister7412 If 'fighting back' means indiscriminately slaughtering innocent third parties, and considering such death and suffering to be merely acceptable collateral damage in pursuit of your aims, then you have become something every bit as evil as those who oppress you.
@@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954 What are your thoughts on the Nuclear Bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
@@michaelbannister7412 Short answer - I think the use of nuclear weapons against Japan in World War 2 was more than merely wrong, but was a crime against humanity. There are good reasons for why those events haunted Oppenheimer and the other scientists who worked on the Manhattan Project so badly.
Longer answer - the use of nuclear weapons to try to end the war in the Pacific Theatre has long been a contentious historical event. Some historians argue that it ended a war early that would otherwise have dragged on and claimed even more lives, but I don't recognise the validity of that justification. I was not around at the time, but I consider both deployments of the A Bomb against Japan to be heinous war crimes - the deliberate targeting of civilian population centres with weapons of mass destruction is simply unjustifiable in my eyes.
Just like the V2 rocket bombardments of London and the broader Blitz, along with the fire bombings of Coventry by the Germans and later of Cologne by the Allies, only on a far larger scale, the deployment of nuclear weapons was a policy born of a dangerous so called 'total war' mindset that argued that wars are fought not between armies but between entire cultures including their respective civilian populations, and so it was considered, as part of that worldview, an 'acceptable' tactic to try to win a war by breaking the will of the general citizenry of your opposition by targeting civilian population centres for wholesale destruction with the intent to inflict large scale civilian casualties. I have never supported that position and never will. If you once accept the idea that civilian immunity can be ignored in any form of conflict as a tactic, then you have abandoned any pretence of moral authority.
Wait, Cable reacting to Jean that way is lifted straight from the comics, and this is coming from someone that's sworn off anything Disney produced. This show is indeed showing love to the source material, but too bad the mind behind this has been Bonly Fanned out the door. 🤣😂🤣
This is basically a trend these days, if someone actually tries to write a good story with a message instead of ruining everything and then spray painting progressive slogans on the rubble, they get booted out the door.
5:29 excellent point. I especially understand this as a homeless guy
This is the best episode of content you've ever made imo.
So here's a question: How many innocent people did Magneto kill with that global EMP? At the very least thousands to tens of thousands.
Mutants and humans in planes. Dead or hurt. Life support? Dead. It goes on and on but he was right... just as right as the genocidal humans. Ignore the innocents.
strawman point.
also suggests you are using double standards.
@@WrongParadox
"strawman point."
How is asking how many innocent people Magneto killed a strawman point? It's something that the X-Men discuss in the comics.
@@uanime1 so you are thinking it's more of a red herring fallacy than a strawman fallacy? Or maybe you are trying a slippery slope fallacy?
Millions. He would've killed millions. Not all at once mind you, this would've been in stages. Planes crashing, reactors overloading, people in hospitals on life-support failing, cars crashing, ect. But that's just the first stage of deaths. Then you have the deaths that result as an afterward. How many medications require to be refrigerated or else they go bad? So, so many. And they all just went poof. Now we need to manufacture more. Then there's debris, from the falling planes, the reactors, even satellites that might come crashing down. Those events will cause further deaths and destruction. In short, he just gave the whole world the middle finger.
It's funny. This show could be compared to Magnetos and Professor X's ideologies in a way. Those of us who were claiming this show was gonna be woke and terrible, are just like Magneto with humans. Believing the worst and expecting the worst, with some still not willing to give the show a chance because we've been burned too many times by the same thing over and over that we were willing to write this show off as another soulless cash grab.
But this show proved us wrong. It is well thought out, honours what came before and expands and improves the story that gets people talking about it and reigniting a love for the characters that we thought had been lost. Just like Charles Xavier, we should have been looking for the good and not closed ourselves off.
I hope that one day this series gets released outside of Disney plus so I can watch it.
“The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb.” The chosen/found family wins every time.
I remember when Magneto did this in the comics. One of the few X-men comics I actually have. If the show continues that story, oh man this is gonna be good.
So he killed literally almost every person innocent or other wise on any kind of life support system. Magneto is not right bastion isn't right either they want the same things but because mutants are the oppressed ones its ok that magneto wants to kill all humans not just the ones hurting his people that he'll also kill if they don't agree
Magneto isn't right morally, but he is right about humans in this show. The attack on Genosha and OZT were lead by Bastion, but several humans agreed to work with Bastion for their own gain. (Tv room scene with Doom and Zemo)
That's why Wolverine said that Magento basically declared war.
This. This is exactly why Professor X and the X-Men are here. Magneto always goes too far.
I wholeheartedly agree
@@wendellstephens6311 He didn't declare war, he committed genocide. An EMP of that scale would fry electronics, not temporarily disable them.
Yup. Hell he alone most likely killed a lot of innocent kids and babies that need hospital machines to survive.
Magento just hit the very definition of ...fuck with the bull and you get the horns....love it.
Can't agree with you. Cooper delivered a textbook villain's monologue and authors have done everything in their power to make us accept this point of view, so that it is right to commit villainous acts.
Magneto is wrong, but authors has shown conditions under which we cannot condemn him but it still doesn't make him right.
Magneto is a villain, but also the villain is the one who trying to convince us that committing evil acts is a right thing.
1:17 I had the same thought and if Disney actually wants to keep this franchise fresh and alive they need to rehire that guy back straight up right now literally like or at least give him the free reign to do the mutants in the MCU honestly
Bro you really cooking with these reviews
He didn’t say anything profound beyond kissing DeMayo’s ass. Everyone online likes the show, so what’s new about this ‘review?’
They just need to bring back my boy Gambit.
They never should have killed him to begin with
Magneto can't fly without his suit. His power is magnetism. Not gravity control or telekinesis.
ok im watching the show bruh, u happy? you convinced me.
Lead guy they fired was let go because he had an onlyfans.
Kind of a dumb reason to let someone this good at his job go, but eh maybe when things cool down he'll be back in some caliber.
The series is absolutely red hot fire, and I hope it gets another season and more interactions with other marvel characters as things between humans and mutants heats up.
If I recall Dr.Doom calls Bastian out saying that what he did was nothing but war crimes. Leads me to believe Doom will do his own thing in Latveria and fight against the anti-mutant beliefs in his own way. Which I hope ends up building towards Dr.Doom's own mutant team like in the comics.
What are you talking about? If you had an only fans for any job you’d be let go especially if your job revolves around children’s media
@@shawnboahene5231 why? How do these 2 jobs interact?
My only issue with this episode is how did wolverine know what Magneto did, ESPECIALLY with him being "dead"??? And even if he made some announcement about what he did or will do, why aren't they shocked he's alive??
Who else can do what happened.
Someone just weilded the entire magnetic sphere of the earth.
There is only one omega level mutant who can do that.
@@drrohanjacob5343 And how exactly did wolverine know what happened? All he saw were the lights going out and sentinels dropping. How did he know it was a global EM pulse? And even if he did, why would he suspect a dead man behind it??
@@warpath7985 Because nobody else can do what happened.
An emp that can shut down all sentinels.
They knew it was global as no new sentinel were showing up to attack them
I think Disney fired the show runner because he had an Only-Fans account.
That’s a stupid reason to fire someone, but I think that was their reason.
I don’t think X-Men is woke. At least not the way I describe that word. X-Men is a message everyone can get behind. It’s actually pretty politically balanced. It pushes for social unity, not social justice. As Magneto said “You say justice is overdue, but so is healing”.
X-Men were simply a product of edge and anti mainstream culture of the late 80’s and 90’s. Born of that rebellious spirit and without trusts of institutions. The crazy think about woke is it in driven by the institution which is why I find it hilarious these Gen Zers think they are rebels when they are parroting same things they hear on the news 😂😂😂. Woke was inverted. Alex Jones is the Real Woke OG tbh.
By every definition people like you would call X-Men woke if it was written poorly. It's literally a story about minority struggle against a majority of a consistent agitators. I find it funny when conservatives do this thing where it's not woke when the show is actually good
Hope this lands outside the Disney+ realm for purchase soon. Definitely, looking forward to watching it myself.
“The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb.”
I can honestly believe they did fire him for creative differences that man was trying to create entertainment for people to want to keep watching and keep coming back. While the higher-ups as well as specific individuals want him to make crap and then just put a bow on top of it and say here entertainment. But don't worry, they're going to sprinkle in some rememberberries so you can't say they didn't give you what you wanted. So now they're going to say the reason why this show is getting good ratings is because the effort that they put in and not the individual that actually respects the property and keeps it in the universe that it was created in.
Unlike what people like to say, this show is actually leftist with actual leftist messaging, so it's no wonder they fired him, same with Owl House.
Man you ain't lying! XMen is killing....SLAYING it! I'm still in disbelief that this is on Disney!!
As far as your family point, you're right. I always notice that people misuse the quote, "blood is thicker than water."
People love forgetting half of any saying.
magneto was played by a sentient toaster oven...
You should watch invincible.
They'd be idiots to include the Morlock "Mutant Massacre" storyline. Especially after the ultimate mutant Massacre that just occured on geneosha. Having the morlocks dead would just wrap both stories into one, especially when the morock Massacre pales in comparison to this.
Why they had Magneto with his butt cheeks out flying half naked around the globe? Was that even necessary? Probably DeMayo’s doing. 💀
You're asking the real questions now.
Magneto was Right
Ask Grant Morrison what his opinion is of Magneto. Just sayin'...
When the hated and oppressed say "enough" in this, it's awesome. Problem is, when people do it in reality, it's "insurrection".
"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."
I saw that quote somewhere and that perfectly describes what's going on.
Saying "ENOUGH!" is not the same as murdering millions, potentially billions of people by firing a global EMP. Magneto just murdered every person with a peacemajes, mutant or human. He just killed everyone on life support, human or mutant. He just killed everyone on a plane, human or mutant.
Are you calling that "he said enough"? I am calling that a massive genocide.
Damio being fired by Disney due to onlyfans account has become even more suspicious.
" No Matter What Goodness in Our Hearts,
There will always Be Conflict."
For Magneto that's what his Been Felt About.
He was Trying to be a Better Person But There are things that will never allow it to accomplish his Goal and Charles Dream to have peace between Mutants and Humans.
Hate and Conflict will always be relevant.
Especially on what is happening in our world today.
Im lookong at this situation bastion has had magneto tied up watching those broadcasts of humans talking about mutants since he had them. The initial view was all sentinals were activated they were gonna wipe out all mutants. But the view at robertos party with his mom showed they in fact were not goong on a murder spree. Though they were going ham on the xmen. Knowing magnetos want for extremes. I think magnetos declaration of war may have in fact been also very much in line with bastions intentions.
The only reason they didn't kill them there was because humans were present and they'd have looked like the bad guys.
@Peasham true. Wars are fought on perception of actions rather then the actions themselves.
I didn't expect to like it but they had me from the first episode. I began to like characters that I didn't like back in the actual nineties.
The problem with the "Magneto was right" sentiment is that most humans are innocent, and they're as uncomfortable with the whole situation as mutants are. They don't deserve to suffer because of the actions their leaders and the radical mutant haters take, just like the mutants don't deserve to suffer. So actually Xavier is right, because Xavier is the one who values all lives equally. His path is just the hardest path for everyone to walk.
Like in real life, the one responsible for the chaos are the extreme minority, the ones who scream the loudest
When people say Magneto is right, it's not about his actions. We know he's the he commit atrocious actions. It's what he stands for that he is right about
However, here's the thing. What Magneto did was a terrible thing, but it is UNDERSTANDABLE and that's what makes him scary. It's not that he committed mass murder, it's the why. The very human why that makes you reflect on the actions of the oppressed and down trodden. He's a monster of the humans' making.
@@nothing-of5yc oh my God no he isn't stop being dramatic
The thing is that many ppl seem to think/feel their on magneto side. He is only on side of mutants. Many sycophants don't realize a human supporter and a human hater are the same to him: nothing. He is out for mutant independence and supremacy. Not for hunan blacks, goths, gays or anything.
Too many ppl read into his struggles and project. They would be gravely disappointed if mutants and The Brotherhood were real....
@@SpaceandGoats makes sense
13:32 - Magneto knows the darker side of base human nature; he's lived it. Charles, like with MLK knows what humanity can aspire to BE. Not what we currently are. He's aware of it, yes. Absolutely. That's why he built the dream he had, and recruited those willing to loyally fight for such a lofty goal. But it IS a lofty goal. You can argue that Magneto knows we aren't there yet - and may never be. Not at the core of the issue. We are a petty, jealous and diomineering species. Problem being not who's right... it's that neither side is the better option thus far.
* Charles effectively turned a sentient technology into a child soldier trying to kill his favored students for decades, to train them to survive a war he wants to stop... and can't likely do so by the means he'd most wish to use. Ever. Magneto would end up recreating a holocaust no matter which way he went about it. Because at the end he is more Malcom X- advocation for acceptable force (with his side's version of "force" being debatably very naturally unbalanced)
The whole point of their decades long argument, and effective chess match against each other was the nuance that neither side was exactly wrong; nor completely right. It's not definitive. It's not black and white.
Best show on Disney so far. Hire Beau back.
Amazing episode
I love this show being back, in all the senses that can be taken. The shots it's taken have all been no scope levels of on point.
From Episode 5 onwards…it’s like we can enjoy shows again.
I never got a notification for this!
Magneto has BEEN right!
Drinker’s Voice: What if Demayo wasn’t as thrilled about the ALPHABET message and went against Disney’s wishes?
It’s hard to imagine, though I will admit; when I first heard them saying that Beau got the job because Kevin Feige “was interested in his perspective from a gay point of view”, I was groaning loudly because I figured just as Disney has done countless times before, they would push the divisive political messaging to the forefront of all episodes and they would never shy away from any opportunity to throw it in. Like, I was absolutely certain they would have an episode where Morph would “come out” as his true self to explain his new head. And for the record, I am still not happy with the way Morph has been portrayed…he seems like a different character altogether. But that being said, I have been very pleasantly surprised (and relieved) that it hasn’t been made totally blatant in the aggressive way I figured it would be. Sure, there have been hints of it here and there, but by no means is it distracting or heavy handed in the same way most Disney productions are now.
It’s actually a shame that they sold this series from the start being about Beau’s sexuality….that sewed the seeds of doubt from the beginning and chased many former fans away from giving it a chance. Had his “black gay experience” never been mentioned as a selling point, then I think virtually ALL X-Men fans would have been completely on board with this show. While the media focused on the wrong selling point initially, now it has been proven that Beau truly did have a lot of passion and respect for these characters and that he actually was great for the job….it’s just that his “black, gay experience” has nothing to do with it. As long as they would keep things going the way they are, then I would be more than happy to see him come back and continue writing these characters. He really does seem to understand them far better than I or many others initially believed he would and (at least so far) “the message” as Drinker would say, has NOT taken priority over the storytelling as it so often does, and for which I am exceedingly happy about!
@@FlawedCoil82 this has been minor or subtle? Also see Greg Owen's. Wait for s2 when eyes aren't as on them.
I mean sunspots entire thing is gay metaphor, over and over. Like no joke. Morph I'd flirting and positioned as counter to Wolverine 's Jean focus.
If this season ended with them kissing not a surprise
Bastion's plot makes little sense as immigration, race, or even disability allegory it just borrows queerness but treats it with btools of hyperoppresion so very mismatched
At best its allowing the audience room to disagree
Or did until everyone not an xmen turned into killer secret bigots.
@@manticoraus It hasn’t been necessarily subtle…I could get the allegory with Sunspot “coming out” to his mother (they turned that into an allegory all the way back in “X2: X-Men United”) and then all the Morph stuff, but I honestly expected way worse. I thought they would try to make Wolverine and Cyclops a thing, the FOH would all be wearing conspicuous red caps (granted…they did do the “insurrection” thing), Iceman would return by episode 3 so we could all have a whole episode retconning him into being gay, all the male characters would be bumbling idiots always needing saving by the all-powerful female characters, etc. But (surprisingly) none of that happened the way I thought. Obviously, that can always change (and if they do something like that with Wolverine and Morph would majorly piss me off) but as long as it doesn’t become the focus of episodes, it has not been bad enough to make the show unwatchable.
@@FlawedCoil82 faith enough. Just hope up for when no allegory and gay and teans xmen show up
I know humans you feel afraid of us, we are different, but we needn't be. You fear your extinction by our hand hand, you needn't. We are you sons, daughters, parents, uncle and aunts, we are an exyended family. Look to us to protect you from us and in time you'll see we hurt as you, fret as you, bleed as you. You say you will become extinct? No say I, in time you will BECOME US. The flow of time stands still for no one, even those who can jump the flow of time. Take heed that though born extraordinary we are you and you are us.
100%! Dang, this is good stuff!
This was a very Old Testament play call.
I love it.
Seriously when I saw that pulse it gave me chills.
Entertaining epidode. I mean it could spiral into a longer Canon argument or philosophical debate. But, to me the point of the x-men is "magneto is wrong" and while he has tempting justifications x-men believe in humanity both mutant and non-mutant. So, I'm excited to see professor x back, but I'm concerned the idea that "magneto was right" is going to fundamentally change the themes of x-men, but I'm hopeful that Xavier will offer the counterpoint
JSG: Disney and Marvel should re-hire Beau to do the second season
DISNEY EXECS: Nope. The X-Fans enjoyed it too much without prioritizing our DEI advocacy
ME: Say what!?
Yeah, this is exactly what I think happened.
The DEI crowd in media is not about creating entertainment, it is about destroying popular intellectual property and then planting their flags in the ashes.
right!?
its almost like Beau cares about the IP and used foresight and tact while writing this (hell just writing techniques in general is out of the norm for reboots)
Disney plz plz plz do not hire 4 or 5 writers who hate the IP and it's audience to just just wing it for every episode only having DEI stuff planned like a check list. ffs
I wonder how this show is going to deal with Magneto killing millions, along with most of the world now having a very good reason to hate mutants. You'd expect the Friends of Humanity to get millions of new members from all the people who lost a loved one.
It would be really terrible if they just ignored this because all these problems would prevent the main cast from having silly adventures.
The point is humans and mutants are destined to destroy one another and Xavier was just naive.
Magento is not good but he is right.
It will end in an all out war.
Humans a majority will never accept mutant and will always try to contain them and the mutant will never trust the human to not try to contain them..
Sometimes peace was never an option only war
@@drrohanjacob5343
"The point is humans and mutants are destined to destroy one another"
According to Bishop the Sentinels will rule the world.
According to Cable Apocalypse will rule the world.
So in both timelines neither destroy the other.
"Humans a majority will never accept mutant and will always try to contain them and the mutant will never trust the human to not try to contain them.."
And according to Cable Sentinels will replace humans and enslave mutants. Unsure why mutants might want a war that results in this outcome.
Magneto was right. You dont kick a hornest nest and then get surprised when you get stung. Are yall forgetting that magneto doing what he did was the only way to save the mutants from genocide? Innocent people died yes. But dont blame magneto blame the circumstances that made him do that. Caused by the very same humans who would argue he went too far.
Ah yes, because he's "oppressed," so slaughtering innumerable millions, many of whom were almost certainly his fellow mutants, is perfectly justified.
You really don't get it, do you? Magneto's ideology is *exactly the same* as that of the anti-mutant militants. "The Other must be eradicated, therefore everything I do is good."
I still blame Magneto because it was by his actions and the actions of those think like him that made humanity so fearful as to construct the sentinels in the first place. Then they started fighting harder and the sentinels kept getting stronger until the point it was now.
"Evil begins when you begin to treat people as things" - Sir Terry Pratchett, I shall Wear Midnight (2010)
The rumours are Beau DeMayo was fired due to an ethics clause as he had an 0nly fans account that he created content for
Even if he did, I would still say that's the excuse for why he was fired, and the truth is Disney can't stand anyone actually trying to do quality work anymore.
If magneto was right then so was bastion. More like they are both wrong.
yEp 😂
Both Professor x and Magneto are right
JSG, at 3:10 you klmention about Cable and Genosha. The constant shifting is ab omega level mutant like Apokolips or even Cable himself later in time from making a worse future.
Beau DeMayo probably didn't bend to some changes they wanted to make on the show and he finished the product without committing to them. This explains why he was removed before release. This is why it doesn't feel like Disney meddled with anything.
I'm guessing they wanted the sociopolitical messaging nerfed, my best guess anyway.
They fired the showrunner for having a Onlyfans account. Supposedly. If true odd such happened on the 11th hour of the premiere of an animated show with all the pre-production work involved. My theory such was vetted sooner and pocketed for office politics.
I agree, they had to have known and were just holding onto it. Maybe someone was featured that was in the Executive office, but that could’ve helped his case 😂. It would be great if they brought him back.
If the issue that led to demayo getting fired was indeed creative differnces and the show has been pretty dam good up until this point then im guessing it wasnt woke enough for disney.
Maybe they tried to get him to add in some woke nonsense but demayo stood on his integrity and genuine love for X-men and that ultimately led to his termination. If so, i doubt they bring him back for S2
"woke" you have no idea what that means.
@@FutureRules you don't seem to know what it means judging by your comment.
Magneto just killed Millions if not Billions of people, mutant and human, and made The X Men and All Mutants the Enemies of the World.
The show is great. The show does have Woke crap in it but thank God it can be overlooked and still keep the show great.
It does have problems that need to be addressed just of logical sense. Like Where the Hell is Storm?!!
It's been more than a week since she saw news about Genosha being attacked, yet she has not comeback or even contacted the team, her family. The only logical explanation is that her and Forge have already been captured by Bastion. There is no other reason she would not be there already. It also make sense that Bastion would have kept tabs on his old friend Forge, seeing as he is the only man Earth that would be able to build something to screw up is plans. Also, taking out a fearsome and powerful enemy such as a powered up Storm is just a great bonus.
The other very Logical step is that the Avengers have to respond to What just happened and avenge the world after this crazy attack by Magneto. This is also why Cap and Spider-Man where shown.
The point is humans and mutants are destined to destroy one another and Xavier was just naive.
Magento is not good but he is right.
It will end in an all out war.
Humans a majority will never accept mutant and will always try to contain them and the mutant will never trust the human to not try to contain them..
Sometimes peace was never an option only war
@drrohanjacob5343 I see that you do not state that Some Mutants will always use their power to do evil when you make your statement.
When one side is more powerful and dangerous than the other, there will always be parts of that side that will be corrupted by the power and use it on the weaker side.
@@BIGFRANKOL75 Both sides have good and bad people but that does not matter.
The two sides simply can not live together
They tried to peacefully live separately but then genosha happened.
Now war is the only option.
It's why in the comics even cyclops turns on Xavier and goes to war with humanity.
What's considered "Woke crap" to you?
Like genuinely what is considered "Woke" to people?
@shirothr5384 changing a whole character just to play to the progressive base.
Morph was already established as a character, but not he is totally different.
Yes he was a side character, but he was well liked and fit well into the story.
Base human nature: fight hate with hotter hate; a never-ending cycle.
The point is humans and mutants are destined to destroy one another and Xavier was just naive.
Magento is not good but he is right.
It will end in an all out war.
Humans a majority will never accept mutant and will always try to contain them and the mutant will never trust the human to not try to contain them..
Sometimes peace was never an option only war
@@drrohanjacob5343 concur 💯
@@kenknowlton3085 👍🏼
LOL ... sorry, but "fitb-major-super-powerful-villain-figure was right" only has one fill-in-the-blank so every time I hear it it is strictly coded one specific way
Cable was separated from Bishop in the time stream when Bishop was taking Cable to the future. They said it in the beginning of x men 97 ep 8 in the beginning were Scott and Gean were talking in the professors office.
It's interesting to hear the perspective of those who've only observed and heard about bigotry. So many content creators are completely oblivious and it's fascinating.
This show is a Rorschach test. I'm on the side of trying to understanding why a soldier would follow orders that are cold blooded murder. Like I feel a visceral reaction to people blaming rogue for the deaths of those soldiers trying to kill her. Or magneto stopping mass murder with an EMP. Magneto killed as few as reasonably achievable while stopping a genocide. You yourself said the emp that paused a mass murderers genocide makes magneto a bad guy. He just witnessed the slaughter of thousands and stopped the slaughter of millions. By what calculus is he the bad guy?
I'm actually curious where they go with this because they could go inverse with what happened in Young Justice Misplaced.
11:30 We don't know that they are trying to kill any of them at this time so that's just your biases.
Now I say this because they did not kill Beast even though they have every opportunity to. We see them attacking yes but not killing. We don't know how deadly the blast they have are, but I would say the same thing about Cables gun, Cyclops's blast, and many of the other X Men attacks.
We also now that these Prime Sentinels would have lots of information on all the X Men and how tough they are. That means they could be dealing enough damage to knockout but not kill.
The reason behind this is that Bastion will need them to build his future, and he promised lots of test subjects for Mr. Sinister to play with in exchange for help with the Wild Sentinel.
8:23 - What I find interesting here is that even though Doom activity partipated in the U.N. sanctioned mission against mutantkind he, like Val, was not aware that they planned on genocide. Doom has fascinated me as a villain, a villain with morals; sure he's a tyrant but he truly wants to help his people. I wonder if this will have ramifications later on: I'm sure it won't look good if Doom decided to attack the U.N. and aired out their dirty laundry...
Brillant! the show and your review of it. and i loved the season. it was great. i hope the next will be good too. but yeah, i am sure it won't.