X Men 97: A Lesson in Consequences
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2024
- X Men 97: A Lesson in Consequences
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Art and Animation by Just Some Guy
Original trailer concept: FMA Brotherhood & Black Summoner
Music: "Enkon Hakuchuumu" by Sakagami Souichi - Copyright (C) 2015 Trial & Error/Sakagami Souichi All rights reserved.
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"Magneto has a perfect response: ..." *cut to UA-camTV ad break*
*slow claps. Well played Erik
Same here.
A villain to his core lol.😆
1000s of deaths seems low for a worldwide EMP
It’s thousands in the first day i believe i think it was to not have a hit--ler situation instantly but overtime
@@millasbooit would be billions dead
in the first hours think of all the satellites that would literally be like raining fire then the planes cars trains hospitals anyone on life support or oxygen support and lets not forget the nuclear plants which would all explode at basically the same time these would be in the first 2-3 hours
That's at least a billion dead in the first few hours
Then the radiation and chaos would claim another billion in the next couple of hours...
action take place in 97 . We took in last few decades big technologial jump so now it would be singinificantlly more damaging . Then in most off the world it meant turning off lights
@@Karafka_w_polowie_pełna wel still a lot of damage,,no phones,no faxs.no TV...
@@Karafka_w_polowie_pełna 1997 wasn't that long ago in the grand scheme of things. Even in 1997 most vehicles relied on circuitry which would be disabled by an EMP of that scale. The internet was already important to much of governance and large scale business across most of the world. Basic utility services were already highly computerised. Such an EMP would have disabled all global logistical networks. That means no reliable access to food, clean water, or essential medicines. With telecommunications down worldwide governments would be crippled resulting in global anarchy. With almost no vehicles working there would be no effective policing across most of any given country and no access to medical eservices for anyone not within walking distance of a medical centre, and even there all advanced medical equipment from heart monitors to MRI machines would be non-functional.
Back in 1997 there were already many thousands of commuter flights everyday in every major country on Earth, all of which were already reliant on computerised flight control and engine management system, and all such craft in the air would have fallen out of the sky to catastrophic effect with no possibility of any effective response from fire or medical services.
The world already had many tens of thousands of computerised nuclear power plants all of which would have lost the ability to control their fuel rods, meaning all the active reactors would have been facing meltdown scenarios of Chernobyl proportions and worse. Thousands of deaths in one day is dramatically lowballing the figure - try many tens of thousands or a couple of hundred thousand at the low end. Tens of millions within a couple of week, hundreds of millions within a few months, and maybe a billion and change all told globally, and you are closer to a realistic figure even back in 1997.
…to free Cyclops from his loyalty to the team?
That literally makes no fucking sense because he would never be ‘free’ from the team.
But he wants him to be. That’s the point Xavier doesn’t have a realistic vision of his “children “
Xavier see’s Mag as a brother he never had and the shadow he literally can and has became
Loyalty to Xavier, not the team. Xavier was worried that he was paralleling Magneto by accidentally turning his students into grown child soldiers. This was an opportunity to give them an opportunity to do something more than just staying with the X Men and the ramifications of that unintentional indoctrination.
@@ethrsag735 Yeah but he already did turn his students into soldiers. Cyclops is basically Xavier's child soldier who he unintentionally groomed into fighting a mutant civil war. Scott spent his childhood training to fight for Xavier's dream being an X men is his life's purpose. That's all he knows he can't ever live a normal life.
@@thatonkgau5221 and like a parent he's very blind to what's actually good for his kids vs. What he thinks is best. Nobody's saying he's perfect but it's 100% understandable and relatble to a lot of parents and their kids
Shutting down electronics across the world would cost MILLIONS of lives not thousands
Came here to say this.
And he freed Omega Red
and you gonna let skynet win? the reason bastion hadnt won yet is explicitly magneto EMP
In the first day they say thousands i think
Also damaging the magnetosphere will kill everyone on Earth, including all the mutants Magneto was meant to be saving.
"this is the cost of mistreating people....consequences" well said
"The thing is, you can't have it both ways. You can't be cruel to others, and then expect that your cruelty won't cause some of those people to become as cruel as you."
- Just Some Guy
That applies equally to humans and mutants. After the EMP you'd expect the Friends of Humanity to have regiments of people who joined because all their relatives died on the same plane.
His being right streak remains in tact it seems.
Bastion is also correct about the threat mutants pose to humanity.
@@BrokenDiety1
Shush child the adults are talking
@killfang9659 could've fooled me. Might want to try looking at the world of superhumans through the eyes of a normal person without powers. It's a VERY scary place. "The Boys" does this much better IMHO.
The problem is the cycle of cruelty when both sides are being cruel towards eachother all you have is an unending shitpot of hate
True
An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.
And yet we continue to stab each other.
@@SoulHero7 good quote
So the answer is clearly....BETTER Sentinels! Next time, get all the mutants.
Ol’ Nicky Mac said it best: “If you must injure a man, destroy him utterly, lest he return in vengeance.”
The problem with Charles Xavier is that, while he is right about Magento own vengeful methods, he is too blinded by his own ideals to see the whole picture.
That's the problem with idealists.
Fair but magneto is being a monster
@@cryo9017 true, but how'd expect him to react, knowing his character?
Yeah but that doesn't mean that Magneto was right either as he's committing Genocide on a global scale. Killing both humans and mutants in the process. Yeah I understand where he's coming from but when you fight fire with more fire you create a wild fire that burns everyone.
@@markmunroe-hz8rf Honestly if he attacked his enemies or undermined those in power for the abuse of it that be fine but he never does that doesn't he decides to always make it a murder game he's always reacting like a child
@@cryo9017True. But reality is in the middle. Sometimes you have to be a little more pragmatic.
So Magneto overreacts and Charles is manipulative? Yep, same dance they had for decades.
Imperfect characters.
@@TonkaJay They've done that for over 50 years...
@@mongooseunleashed people don't learn.
@@TonkaJay They're supposed to be in the top smartest characters in Marvel....
@@mongooseunleashed so is Mr. Fantastic and he's still aloof.
Being smart doesn't mean making the right decisions all the time. They're still humans. They still flaw because of emotions or their hope in someone else.
And then there's writers that can't think of something better to do and fall back on old ways...
Magneto removing Wolverine's adamantium?
This means his healing powers are stronger then ever before.
Guy gonna go feral.
Bruv, it’s not that people are ignoring the show per se, it’s just that people don’t care anymore. It’s a Disney Marvel production, it’s not worth the time to watch on the off chance it might actually be good. Disney took a big, ropey dump all over any goodwill they had with audiences a long time ago. Stop trying to make it an “us vs. them” thing and enjoy the show.
9:21 Rogue... Nightcrawler was literally there. He was not only present on that day but helped rescue both you and Magneto...
He was even present in the aftermath to help bury the mutants who died and look after those who survived.
Have you forgotten about it or-...
Aaaand she's gone.
Zemo mentioned that despite things being rocky, kelly still saw the x men as allys, so i doubt he was in on it
But Kelly still ignored it due to optics. This parallels captain america wanting to be an ally but due to how it would look to the public he cant get involved. And parallels with sunspots mom, due to how she'd look in front of her weakthy benefactors/investors/friends she allows her son to be taken
So we're condemning billions of humans for the actions of a few by comparison? Yeah, I can't sympathize with any of them honestly, Magneto, professor X, Bastion, you lose the moral high ground when your actions hurt innocents.
In a perfect fantasy perhaps, but when have innocents not been harmed during a literal war? This is a privileged perspective, which hasn't had to deal with sacrifice.
@@Vespyr_ That has nothing to do with privilege, that's just not tolerating hypocrisy.
Exactly. What we're witnessing is what happens when there's no clear cut black and white morality where one group is obviously the good guys with no real flaws, and one group is obviously the bad guys that are pure evil.
And this is clearly setting up Cyclops to call everyone out on their bs and I can't wait.
@@marshallthomasiii6091 privilege is privilege
@@marshallthomasiii6091Life is hypocrisy.
Rogues speech makes no sense, Nightcrawler was there at genosha
Yes he was but he wasn’t awake. He was knocked unconscious the entire time after he saved the two
"I hated all of the killing so I'm going to go be an assistant to global genocide."
@@millasboo Regardless he was there and he was in the thick of it as you pointed out taking a hit while saving people. Rogue and Magneto would be dead if he didnt save them
@@GarionDAdkins No she hated all the killing in general but when her friends were killed so she could no longer be complacent
Victim shaming.
_ As a character Magneto is very flexible: On his good days(when he try to be a good guy) he's the other side of the coin to Xavier(both ant to create a better equal world, but Magneto is more cynical); on his bad days, as much as he hate to admit it he's the other side of the coin to Graydon Creed(a bigot that want to eradicate the other side, no matter the cost to their side)
_ P/S: Back story wise Magneto share more with Graydon Creed than Xavier. Both men were discriminated & mistreated by their community as a child because they were different(Graydon is a human born to mutant parents) & thus became radicalised to the cause of exterminating said community
Just some guy:
Magnetos people were attacked, and the world just watched.
407,300 US soldiers died
42,000 Canadians died
383,700 englishman died, Just watching
From the perspective of someone in the camps who doesn’t know any of that’s happening?
@@Muljinn magneto isn't in the camp anymore
@@Muljinn And people in the ghettos and camps knew that the allies were pushing the Germans back, though they seldom had details. It was no surprise in Occupied France and Belgium that the allies invaded on D-Day. The question the French and Belgians had was exactly where the invasion would be, when during the spring or summer it would come, and whether it would really work. It was no surprise in Poland that the Red Army was coming to drive the Germans out. The only question was exactly when that would happen.
Why does nobody in the Marvel universe go for the head?
Wolverine dumb as hell for catching Magneto off guard, but stabbing him in the side.
This episode made me realize that i have NEVER seen Mr Sinister fight! 😂 like not even in the comics! 😂
inferno////even has the best conclusion of sinisterfighting.
I don't suppose every comic character CAN FIGHT...
XD
Sinister's always been more the Power Behind The Throne type. He's the strategist, Machiavellian kingmaker - who likes to pull the strings as a puppet master (He's got a god complex - and Gods don't have to fight) So he will more often let his minions do the fighting for him; or manipulate his enemies in a long game to fight themselves. That's his preferred tactics.
Sinister is his name more than a fighter.
Yeah, no, I'm still blaming Rogue for joining Magneto. EVERYTHING ON EARTH IS GOING TO DIE. If Magneto would fix the planet after putting the Asteroid back in space, fine, but he seems intent on letting the world burn.
I don't blame him.
@@Vespyr_ Really? What did the dogs do to him? The trees? Do they deserve death?
@@Bluesit32 This is war, mate. You're coming from a privileged perspective. Name a war where dogs and trees didn't suffer.
@@Vespyr_ Name a war where the ENTIRE PLANET died.
@@Vespyr_the Anglo-Zanzibari war. I’m pretty sure there were no dogs in that palace, nor trees.
I honestly think the significance of Magneto surviving the Holocaust is lost on the modern audience.
Well for a few things
one. nazis have been burned out in terms of topic validation
two. well we're kind of running into the fact that jews are a people, not a talking point. I think it's ridiculous to say that Hamas is equal to the Israeli defense force, that doesn't change the fact that we're actually having to look at the fact that as a nation Israel - majority jewish and something that is made for ir part of the jewish Diaspora and identity- isn't just some promise land. it's a political entity same as any other. which means it does s*** that's kind of bad and ee kind of - well - let it
But at the same time a reaction on how to fix it seems to be to let antisemitism flourish. so there isn't an actual discussion being had.
Something also that I think people miss is that Magneto actually tells on himself. In this episode he says that Xavier should have seen Genosha, but if Magneto had his way they would never have gotten to the step of there being a Genosha. he would have started an international nuclear war
Even after the sentinel attack people were willing to rebuild and try again. There was even help coming from humans. on the slow end.
From relief volunteers, people like tilby, as well as Captain America. but that's not good enough for Magneto. it's never good enough for the outraged.
So they think that if they fall back on the outrage they'll get everything they want. ignoring how not doing that got them so close before. Yet they think if fight they're gonna win forever
@@manticoraus I would add the overuse of the words NAZI and Hitler are a problem as well. Everybody seems to use one or the other when they disagree with a political point of a perceived enemy from the other side of the political spectrum. Don't want sexually explicit material in a grade school library, you must be a book burning NAZI. Don't want violent protests on a college campus, you're literally Hitler. Don't want cops held accountable for their illegal acts, you're the worst, a fascist NAZI. Everything is too polarized these days. We need to go back to being able to disagree without being disagreeable.
@@manticoraus Not to be a grammar nazi, pun unintended, but can we not get just... one period? It's all I ask.
@@manticoraus I can't read this at all
@@Vespyr_ Usually I'm against people pointing out grammar, but this is one of those times when it's justified.
Bro people are thinking your title and thumbnail is a negative review on the show before even watching the video.
Standard clickbait.
Well thats their issue
(Reading)Skill Issue?
If it's a video, YOU HAVE TO WATCH IT
Even if freeing Cyclops and jean from there loyalty to Xavier's was the case. Why couldn't Xavier hand over the school to Storm or Beast? Hell even Rouge would've made a better pick then Magneto. Yeah I get Magneto is Charles best friend but he's also a genocidal mutant terriost who's tried to kill humans multiple times. Erik had way too much baggage to follow Xavier's path.
by the end of the OG show, mags has made a lot of strides to be better. remember that it was erik who made it possible for charles to live at all. at the moment when he could've united all of mutantkind into a single army and waged war against humans, he decided to save his best friend's life.
And magneto saved humans when the phalanx attacked @@maxacorn
Because Charles is based on hope. It's the same reason he feels mutants and humans can live in peace, hope. He hopes his basically by bond, brother magneto will carry on his dream
He saw the best Magneto and hoped it would help bring out the better not the worst.
@@Thed538dhsk yup. It's not that he made a mistake in leaving Erik the school. It's just that the world wouldn't let him be good
I appreciate the attention to detail of Magneto’s Asteroid M being powered by broken Sentinel parts. It showed that even Magneto himself couldn’t always lift that thing around all the time. He had to somehow internally fix it first so it could float on its own.
Woah, hold on. We were at 'magneto was right' last episode, why did we seemingly 180?
Cause he's a villain
He was right about some things. He was not right about committing genocide. Because genocide is wrong.
Because he's trying to kill everyone on Earth, including the mutants.
Magneto was right about *human nature*.
His actions toward that nature are wrong. Understandable, but wrong.
There is no contradiction here.
@@SoulHero7 Exactly.
"Thousands"
We know you know better.
Another fantastic commentary. Thanks for killin' it, JSG!
Magneto didn't cause any of this by being in charge of the mansion, why does the "what did you think would happen" keep coming? He was being good, they blew up Genosha, they loosed Prime Sentinels.
9:26 I freakin love how that’s both a dig on up the clone situation with Jean and the dying and coming back to life shot that keeps happening in the comics. Good shit!
Magneto: I'm going to save all mutants from Sentinels by using an EMP, even though this will kill millions including some mutants.
Also Magneto: I've damaged the magnetosphere, which will kill everyone on Earth in 12 hours; including all mutants. Though I'm going to save my girlfriend and some guy I just met.
How exactly is Magneto meant to be better than the Sentinels?
He’s not, but his reaction is something that is expected from him
Welcome to war. How would you suggest they fight Bastion? I fuck with Magneto here. Consequences be damned.
@@Vespyr_ Had me at everything except "I fuck with Magneto". It's like protecting mutants (his own fucking people) be dammed right?
@@ibannash Yes.
He's not.
That's the point.
He is *just as bad* but the ideal way of solving this issue (Professor X's way) has failed countless times and gotten countless innocents killed. So Magneto is thinking: "Screw doing it the right way, I'm doing it my way."
I have difficulty believing that the Avengers, Dr. doom, and the world leaders would not be involved in saving the world.
The fallout should be world shattering.
Magento was driven to this madness.
How many people did Magneto kill with his attack =
Anyone hooked up to live saving mechanics.
[Based on JUST the amount of hospitals and sick people on the planet, that's a LOT more than "thousands"]
Anyone in the midst of sugery (or a difficult birth potentially)
Anyone working around heavy machinery that depends on functionality/lifting heavy objects
Anyone working near or on electrical/nuclear power (knock on effect to nearby towns results in MORE deaths)
Anyone in the midst of by air travel (Stranding anyone in midst of by boat, may lead to starvation...)
* Apparently the entire planet... BUT his powers also affect magnetic fields and he's Omega = He SHOULD be able to set off an EMP WITHOUT fucking over the entire planet based on his own desire to SURVIVE! (Scientifically sending out a wave OVER the planet does not necessarily equate sending one THROUGH the planet - and it'd have to pass thousands of layers of sediment/magma and igneous rock that would probably ground the pulse anyway IE the planet was designed to protect itself...)
* Muir Island SHOULDN'T have Shi'ar tech if Xavier JUST got back from his time with L'landra... she had to give it to him first; and Xavier would then have had to give it to forge or Moira (more likely Forge) to figure out how it'd work BEFORE Muir Island would have Shi'ar tech that would protect them from EMP affects. That is why you DON'T fuck with the time lines by trying to mangle together too many known plot points that happened at specifically DIFFERENT TIMELINES. (The writers may not have thought of that - or they have forgotten to state somewhere that this IS NOT Charles' first visit to the Shi'ar Empire - which would imply a longer relationship with L'landra to start with - and THEN it might make sense that earth would just have this new tech)
** As to Rogue; it also frees her to pursue a romance with Erik at some soon future point (which the writers seem to want to push for... for, reasons = There is a big chunk of current day adult content into cuckoldry/emasculation of a male in a relationship... that's all I'm gonna say) Maybe next season, or the next two, since Gambit is "dead" now [I still don't think he'll stay that way...] It at least puts it in the context of healing to live with whatever regrets she might ascribe in that relationship, and maybe she can temper Erik to some extent, by giving him something he wants. I don't really know. I just think there was an ulterior motive in pursuing this specific ship over the canonical marriage in the comics.
= Jean is an Omega. Full stop. Cable is a mutant that like Wolverine MIGHT be powerful enough to be classed Omega ALA X-Man; but he's got the techno-virus fucking over his ability to actually BE that powerful. In Logan's case the Adamantium is a tax on his healing factor or he'd probably be pretty damned close to Omega for a regenerator. They are NOT evenly matched. The only reason Jeam might not win, is because her mind is fucked up over what she recalls about Nathan "being her son" in sharing the memories of Madeline.
It ISN'T a good idea; and in the comics I don't think Magneto ever let Woverine stab him... BUT - there would be NO CONSEQUENCE as you're about to ascribe if they'd have made Wolverine pull UP. OR take the claws back out (knives do a LOT more damage coming out than going in) Erik's not capable of self-healing to the extent he'd negate that level of blood loss. So he'd be fucked. End of argument. IF they're smart and know anything about medicine, they'd make Erick manipulate the adadmantium while the claws are in him, to close over the wounds and keep the blood in; while dealing with Logan in the way he canonically did.
I find it hilarious with the idea that the people who have a problem with Magneto, supposedly have no issue with the attack on Genosha. The short answer is they do, but with the responses being severe for both humans and mutants it gets lost in the back ground as just noise to those watching the show. The long answer is simple: If you commit evil to combat a greater evil, evil still wins. Same issues that people have with most modern comics not showing our "Super heroes" being actual heroes is present here. The X-Men already straddled a line between heroes/terrorists/traitors with how far Xaiver and the rest of the X-Men could be willing to go to protect both mutant and human life. The entire message that Xaiver has tried to instill in his students is to do the right thing even when it's hard and the whole world is against you. Rogue attacking government facilities to look for those behind Genosha, while understandable just remind people that one mutant with great abilities can't be stopped by soldiers. Magento disrupting the planet's magnetic field would absolutely destroy and kill millions of people.
And no every animal on this planet doesn't understand the concept to treat others well. Humans, apes, dolphins and some other mammals have this understanding. But the rest of the animal kingdom has no concept of revenge, decency or even pride of oneself. The most basic thing that all animals do have is fight or flight, and the only time that fight typically wins that contest is with the possibility of being eaten. Even prideful animals like gorillas and lions will back down from a fight once they know their rival is going to beat them. To quote a paleontologist: "Pride is not a dinosaur trait, living to fight another day is."
I was skeptical at first on this show given it's Disney. But these reviews have gotten me so pumped and the animation is clean AF. It really reminds me of 90s Marvel vs Capcom (please do onslaught next season!)
I think 10s of millions would easily die.
They are just flatscans. They lives are worth a mere fraction of that of a mutant. That's like comparing life of a dog to a human.
Mutants will always have the moral highround because their lives are simply worth more.
How did you come up with that number??? You think if a worldwide emp effected the earth for 12 hours or less in 1997, millions of people would die?
@@Thed538dhsk well literally every aircraft would fall out of the sky, car crashes would occur leading to deaths as well, anyone dependent on medical terminology would die, anyone with a pacemaker would die theres countless other examples. I don't know if the numbers would match up to the attack on genosha. If it was just like the comics which seems likely, half the mutant race was in genosha with 16 million dying as a result of the attack. but the death toll could be closer than you think.
@@TheHulkbuster13 in the show it's clarified thousands not millions died in Genosha.
For a world wide emp in 1997 in less than 11 hours I'm not sure there were this many planes flying back then. And there are emergency landings protocols even if planes are disabled. They can glide. The problem is speed. Planes are good at falling in style in an emergency but depending where they land and how fast they fall is more of the problem.
Car crashes wouldn't be that severe because car batteries just die but can still coast do to acceleration and brake fluid would still work. But card just wouldn't be able to start.
Pace makers are probably the biggest problem. Sure less people had them in 1997 but anyone currently being operated on or on life support or having pacemakers would probably die or be close to death within 11 hours
Beau DeMayo said that some extra credit homework for the finale will be the Star Trek: TNG Episode "Cause and Effect." I'm thinking Bishop or Cable ... time travel shenanigans with and unbreakable loop! That references what Cable said about Genosha, but now that Professor X is back, perhaps the loop can be broken... One Man's Worth...
Is that the one where the enterprise is destroyed in a continuous loop or the one with an altertnate reality where Tasha Yarr is still alive?
@@Drixenol86 no, its the one where they encounter a ship stuck in a time loop and every time they try to help they all die till they try Rikers method cause of the poker game
@@nardopolo7407 if the finale’s going to go with this, it’s gonna piss off alotta people. People who were traumatized by the Genosha massacre in episode 5, the Gambit fans, the fans that were expecting Gambit to come back as a horseman and especially the fans that want Onslaught. This is gonna be one big PR disaster.
@@Drixenol86 well the episode involved the enterprise taking a direct approach time loop causes them to all die then when they nudge it slightly to evoke something and leave eveyr one lives. the tasha yar episode was much earlier in the shows run like late season 1 or very early season 2 cause and effect is season like season 5
I have a huge problem with her taking off Gambit’s jacket before joining Magneto, though. She’s bound to take it off eventually (especially if Gambit doesn’t come back) but not that soon.
It's symbolic of her rejecting the X-Men and embracing the dark side, like she wearing her original uniform from when she worked for Mystique.
A better title for this episode would have been: The problem with Ideologies
I love, love, LOVE That they're doing Fatal Attractions!! X-Men 97 is the best show on TV right now. Change my mind.
Nah, you were too nice on this episode. It was dumb as hell.
I'd actually agree more with Thorias on this one.
I'm not especially up on X Men 97, but I always enjoy your analysis of the writing.
Happy 80th Birthday George. We Love you !
Who are the far right reviewers that Just Some Guy responds to? Despite the show's popularity I am yet to see anyone actually arguing for human supremacism. There are sarcastic circlejerkers and trolls, and there most likely are some racists badmouthing the show from a corner. But Just Some Guy makes it look like half the internet wants Bastion, Trask and FoH to win.
He's calling out extremists that would support the bad guys that do exist in real life, but not only are they small, weak, and pathethic, this is not the time to give them the validation they want. He should just focus on reviewing '97 and its themes and let the show do its job, because it's clearly doing its job right.
@@SoulHero7 What's ironic is that most of the far right extremists I've seen talking about the series actually identify with mutants and Magneto. They view themselves as embattled minority, "a next step in evolution" and see their opponents as powerful oppressors who want them gone. Which is part of the reason why it is hard to find anyone rooting for human supremacists in X-Men.
I was so disappointed in this episode. They are speed running through too many key storylines. They took one of the most prominent storylines of the 90s and made it look like this was taking place in the 70s with the terrible decision to regress them back into the old uniforms (the 90s uniforms are crucial to my enjoyment of the X-Men). I wanted “X-Men ‘97” to go on for several seasons, not be changed in a bait & switch to “X-Men ‘79”. This was not the way I ever wanted to see “Fatal Attractions” be brought onto the screen. I don’t want this show becoming like Claremont’s highly disappointing “X-Men Forever” where it is just one relentlessly shocking tragedy or calamity after another to rapidly destroy the team. “Operation: Zero Tolerance” still had plenty of meat left on the bone to allow the X-Men to stay busy. I didn’t buy Rogue’s betrayal at all (there is no way she was ready to hurt Nightcrawler if he tried to oppose her). They have faced FAR greater threats in the past. But by them constantly making dumb decisions, they keep getting their asses handed to them and are looking outright incompetent.
Yeah they just got done introducing Zero Tolerance, I really don't understand why they jumped into Fatal Attractions right off the bat. Feels so extremely rushed.
I don't believe magneto should of condemned the entire planet. But holy fuck he was so right. They try for peace only to continue to be met with hatred that it blows my mind .
I wonder what Wolverine will look like in the next episode? I don't believe I'm ready for it.
This is an adaptation of a story from the late 1990s, which I read. Without the adamantium to suppress his mutation, Wolverine devolved into a mindless beast, and was consistently portrayed as a mindless beast until he got the adamantium back.
The story SUCKED.
Well Wolverine gets traumatized, that's for sure.
@@longtsun8286 Let's hope they skip this part. I honestly wouldn't mind if they just, decided to ignore it.
@@longtsun8286 No, that happens after Genesis (Cable's evil son) tries to bond adamantium back on to Wolverine. The first thing that occurs is a power burn out. Wolverine's healing is at human levels.
He was also not consistently played as a mindless beast. He was slowly gaining his humanity back. Talking, drinking beer, riding his motorcycle...all that.
If they keep with the comics Wolverine's healing factor will be weakened because of how much his body have to be repaired to the point every wound he takes he starts bleeding out. Logan doesn't go feral until Genesis tries to rebond wolverine with admantium that are the remains of Cyber. Cyber's organics were eaten by mutant beetles. Crazy shit came out of issues 75-100.
4:20 No, it doesn't make his actions understandable PURELY because he's dooming mutants too. That is so painfully contrived.
If he had a plan to wipe out humanity and then repopulate the planet with mutants or go live on his asteroid or something, fine. But this was just ridiculous.
Wrong actually he made asteroid M to literally bring the mutants with him. It also does make sense. As his entire set up in the first few episodes was he wanted to give the humans a chance he wanted so badly to not go back by trying it Xavier’s way out of respect, the minute they crossed him and his valid but very bad warning he nuked it. Like i don’t understand how you don’t see that as i don’t think what he did was right but his global approach was warranted as he didn’t care about humans anymore nobody needs to live but mutants now that’s his character culminating & you missed the later sentence as JSG basically said he doesn’t realize that he’s become the next Hit--ler. He’s so caught up in his valid but blinding anger that he’s not just “flipping the table” he’s nuking the whole house the table was in. It was even more terrifying for him in the genosha genocide as he was now in a reverse role from his mother/father(depends on the comic) as his parent said those exact words but didn’t make it , he said those exact words but couldn’t save the child he once was. He saw a child not just pass gracefully but in agony as his eyes were vaporized out of his skull
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How are the mutants going to get to Asteroid M when all means of communication and transport don't work?
I really appreciated this analysis video!! ❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉
1. Magneto really did try. Genosha was just too much. What he is doing wrong but understandable.
2. I think we're getting outright roster changes. Mainly cause some of these ppl are going to die or leave.
3. Charles (God bless him) is trying his best to fix a situation he wasn't present for
I think a good number of people miss the point that there is not a single villain here, but several. Bastion, Magneto, Sinister, and everyone who knew what Bastion was going to do and didn't stop him. A lot of people are smugly saying "See this is Woke" but are wrong, if the story was Woke Magento would be the hero, but he isn't, methodology matters. As wrong as Xavier is for not recognizing when talking won't work Magneto is still the villain. An understandable motivation for an evil act doesn't change the fact it's evil. People focused on a political narrative believe morality depends on why you do something instead of what you do. This applies to both extremes. I very much like X-Men 97 because it's a group of heroes so the hard work that is doing the right thing when you have plenty of reasons not too. And writers shouldn't be afraid of having heroes make mistakes or lose thier way. The right thing to do is rarely the easy thing to do. The X-Men are Super Heroes, Super Heroes do their best to protect everyone especially when it's hard because it's right.
I think that the problem is Magneto is the sympathetic villain because he didn't start off evil, but rather could not maintain faith, especially after seeing what was done to Genosha and feeling responsible for all of the death and destruction that occurred.
This isn't like Apocalypse who harbors a genuine and abiding hatred of not just normal humans, but mutants as well.
@@wanderingthedesert5599 Well a reason for being blind to the truth still results in not being able to see.
"Bastion, Magneto, Sinister, and everyone who knew what Bastion was going to do and didn't stop him."
Because it benefits them. Or they were turned into Prime Sentinels.
"if the story was Woke Magento would be the hero, but he isn't, methodology matters."
Well last episode they did keep talking about how he was right.
"People focused on a political narrative believe morality depends on why you do something instead of what you do."
Both are important. Good intentions do not outweigh bad outcomes.
"I very much like X-Men 97 because it's a group of heroes so the hard work that is doing the right thing when you have plenty of reasons not too."
The problem is that in this show they either stop Magneto or everyone on Earth dies. So they don't have any other choice.
"And writers shouldn't be afraid of having heroes make mistakes or lose thier way."
However there needs to be logical reasons to do this. Rogue siding with Magneto because she doesn't want more deaths doesn't make any sense since Mangneto caused millions of deaths and is about to wipe out everyone on Earth.
"The X-Men are Super Heroes, Super Heroes do their best to protect everyone especially when it's hard because it's right."
The problem is that as the comics go on everyone decides to give up on living with humans and instead keep trying to form their own mutant ethanostate.
For what it's worth, you measure so-called Wokeness - or any POV - in story telling not by how the story treats what the character is doing, not by what normal people would think is objectively wrong. So, if the story is treating what Magneto did as justified (not just understandable) because oppression or whatever, then one might be jsutified in calling it Woke. Not saying the story did that here, but I thought it'd be worth discussing ho to identify these things.
@@cynblade7422 the story isn't Woke because Magneto is not depicted as justified. When people complain about "Wokeness" it's because story presents anything the oppressed do as not just understandable but justified. Even when what they do is counter to thier stated goals. Magneto's action while understandable in the end don't make sense. Destroying the Earth will essential doom all life on Earth. At best the surviving mutants will be taken in by some alien race and live the rest of thier lives knowing humanity will eventually go quietly extincted. It's the same with MCU Thanos, while the goal of bringing balance sounds good his methodology won't achieve his goal. Randomly deleting half of all life caused trillions of collateral deaths, plunged stable words into chaos and did nothing to improve the state of words already in chaos.
Magneto, as with a lot of villains, is someone you can understand the why off what he did while still knowing it was wrong
You get what you pay for, magneto was pushed to this point
I don't understand the point JSG makes about Magneto having the power to destroy Earth's magnetic field but never wanting to use it until this point...so? So the USA as any other nation in the world should just let him be free and hope this notorious criminal one day doesn't wake up and say "You know what? Fuck the planet"?
Magneto as any other mutant with extremely dangerous powers should be at least monitored.
What if Mystique or Morph take the role of the USA president and declare war against another state? What if Storm decides to use her powers to destroy a city? What about Jean Grey?
If you're a civilian in the Marvel universe you have all the right to fear omega level mutants, it's not a right or left wing thing is that you know that there are some people in your world (in Magneto's case even deranged ones) that are born with an extremely destructive power.
P.S. Rogue saying to the others they "weren't there" with Nightcrawler in the group is one of the funniest shits i've ever seen.
Also Morph was in the team for something like 15 minutes? When Episode 1 happened i thought it was pretty clear Morph was part of the team for a long time.
He built his relationship with Wolverine in that period.
We as spectators perceive it like 2 episodes cause we start the show with the recruitment of Jubilee, when the group was formed a long time ago.
Rogue basically spoke like she was a spectator and not an actual character in that universe
Exactly. That wasn't Rogue speaking, that was the writer...who consequently didn't fully understand the story, or was too lazy/incompetent to realize how she sounded.
This was a great, spot on analysis of how Magnus has always been..
I need to rewatch the scene, but I recall that Magneto remarked that he tried to walk "Xavier's path". Now I wonder if the finale will see if Xavier will walk Magneto's path and go down the route of extreme measure. Those familiar with the comics will remember that Xavier turned Magneto into a mental vegetable in "Fatal Attractions". Having repressed anger of his own, watching his own dream fail, and getting "the reason you suck speech" from his students and old friend, I can see his succumb to it. I could see him trying a telepathic attack, again but now tell Magneto that he needs to be put down because he is too much of a threat to be allowed to roam free. If X-Men '97 goes down this road, I can see Onslaught as a possibility.
first off i have to say. i wounder if it was the techno oraginic viruse that kept cabel from stoping genosha.
The sad part of this episodes in my opion is the people out their chearing on magneto, their are to many people out their that don't see magneto as a villan, but as the hero the mutants needs. honestly where they are neither xavier or magneto are usefull at this point. xaviers idealsm got them where they are and magneto hate and pain are goeing to destroy the world.
14:24 I was glad they had that happen because in the kid's show and the movies they always had him do something stupid like propel him away or hold him in place. Glad this show showed some teeth here.
Magneto in the movies made metal bars go in and out of Wolverine's body (this was before Weapon X), left them inside of him as a way to incapacitate him then sent him off to drown in a river.
So, Gambit is "dead", Wolverine has the admantium sucked right out of him, and no one knows where Archangel is..... All I'm going to say is that Big Blue Guy that Cable's fighting in the intro has got some decisions to make regarding his Horseman of Death.
Seeing how much Angel has failed in Apocalypse's first go with his Horsemen (which already happened in this show), my best guess is that he'll just switch labels around.
@@spinningtornado4543 I'll be honest, my preference for Warren as Death is largely shaped by the fact that he is the original, and the 1980's X-Factor was excellent. The latter comics, both of which happened in the 2000s (I think) didn't have the same shock for me. I could forgive Wolverine becoming Death, but then when they started doing it with Gambit a few years later..... it felt as if the creative bankruptcy that started in the 90s reached fever pitch when ideas are recycled no less than a few years later. I think I tapped out around the mid-2000s.
@@wanderingthedesert5599 It's more than fair.
I'd have Archangel back as the Horseman of Death, Wolverine as the Horseman of War and Gambit as the Horseman of Pestilence (The Horseman of Famine is still an open position for now).
Each of these represents key life moments for the characters:
Archangel was present on the Day Mutantkind faced near extinction'.
Wolverine is a war veteran for too many of them.
Gambit has officially died yet he raises again as seemingly a corpse amongst the living, something which will spread diseases.
Best take on this episode ive seen thus far. Its luke people forgot messing with the environment will indiscriminately kill everyone, mutants included.
its a shame that folks don't seem to remember that mags was a better person by the end of the OG series. by that point, he had saved charles' life on more than one occasion, tried to just stay away from humans with astroid M only for one of his own to betray and nearly kill him, saved the world from being nuked to death by that same traitor, came out of self exile to save the world from the phalanx invasion, saved his son quicksilver from that same invasion, stopped apocolypse from committing universal genocide, and made it possible for charles to live in the series finale.
mags wasn't a hero full on at that point but he was far less the monster he was in season 1 of the OG show. charles was right in wanting to believe that mags could lead the x-men, and mags was on his way to being the good man charles always knew he could be. the world just didn't let him be good. so this is magneto just having enough of everyone's shit. he was like "i tried. god in heaven, i tried but they wouldn't let me. so you know what? if i'm gonna be a monster, i'll show them just how big of a monster i can be."
context. its whats for dinner.
The problem is the relapse. He tried, but ultimately his weakness is his hatred. He's always wanted a reason to subjugate or flat out destroy humanity and he jumps at the first opportunity to do so when it presents itself. He doesn't commit himself to doing the hard work. As soon as he encounters a roadblock, he goes straight to genocidal tendencies.
There were 16 million casualties in Genosha during the New X-men, "E is for Extinction" Event.
why didn't he make storm the leader then?
Can anyone explain to me how Magneto's actions are somehow Xavier's fault? I mean, imagine if he didn't write Magneto into becoming the leader of X-men. What exactly would that change? I can agree that Xavier is in denial by trying to reason with Magneto and Kelly but what else he can do?
Imma say right now: It was Sinister’s sleeper code that stopped Cable from stopping the massacre of Genosha. Either that or another malevolent entity/being at play we will meet in, pardon the pun, the future.
13:44 I don't know how I feel about this, not the fact of moving stabbing magneto but there's been situations where magneto told wolverine and multiple people he can smell metals, sense them. So the fact that moving got this jump on them it's a little bit not really in my ballpark but
I went back to watching the original show to remind myself why I loved it. Mature writing. Something the new show lacks. Only its visuals are mature but the writing comes off as juvenile. Like a child wrote it.
Yeah Onslaught seems very likely for next season, but I also think that Gambit and Wolverine will become Horsemen Of Apocalypse.
Morph smash!
So, JSG, enjoying this series?
OnG i think you're the only person watching this, I've had 0 people in my real life even acknowledge this exists.. and tbh, it's a good feeling in my brain not thinking about Disney, or Hollywood in general. Let them burn 🤷♂️🔥 me and apparently the general public also, are done with this. Down with the Oligopoly!!
Why does Professor X have a Burberry blanket draped over his legs !!! Baldy Ballin !!!
I have more of an issue with Rogue referring to Morph as "them" than I do her switching sides. It's just stupid.
In my opinion (don't ask people to agree with it) I don't think someone working for Disney should be running an only fans (when did a personal life need to become so public). I cannot deny that Beau DeMayo knocked this season out of the park. Wrote a good story that stuck the landing. My least favorite episode was the Mojo-verse one and Life/Death was too abbreviated for it's own good, but this season was pretty dope.
Mistreating the "other" is common to every ideology mankind has ever come up with and is a big part of the problem with group identity, that sooner (usually sooner) or later the group dehumanizes whoever is not in the group. Magneto to me, has always been the reflection of the average human. When things go well, he's pretty reasonable. When things aren't going well in his life, he mass blames anyone he sees as sharing similarities with those who wronged him, ie: everyone who is not a mutant in this case because "mutant" is his in-group.
I'll probably give this series a watch when it shows up on a streaming service I have access to.
They might have been mannequins with hair...or maybe that was their idea. Yeah. Probably shouldn’t have bother doing that.
A few corrections no not all the nations of the world were in on it. Explicitly Kelly was stymying the full rollout of operation 0 tolerance
Second amongst the people assembled were Kurt Wagner who was most certainly at genosha and was not agreeing with Magneto
3rd We see what the or else for Xavier was if Magneto would not see reason. he would simply take away his autonomy and force him to act in such a way he needed.
4th
Plenty of people have things to say about the violence in genocia. in particular how it seemed odd that nothing was good enough for the x men. Not carrying water for them in the press. not admitted meager but still existent support
Not even a confession plus I want to kill myself was enough not to be worth their scorn
But in addition to all of that we were trying to do a wait and see how everything was going to shake out
Because we there was a lot of question marks on who was actually dead and what the consequences would be and that was going to be next episode we found out and for the most part we're hoping things would turn out well
this ignores the fact that while yes there were elements in authority that were backing this there were also elements in authority building a case against it.
You know Captain America who was actually ahead of the game. Even was willing to cooperate even though the person in front of him was acting incredibly volatile and inherently hostile in her threatening posture the entire time. by the way that also describes magnito in fact this is the problem
Inherent in everything is a constant sense of aggression
do what I want or else I will hurt you and I have the power to do so and it's only my superiority that makes it so that you get to do what I tell you
Much like yes this can radicalize someone as a result it also means the minority can cause a crackdown as a result
It seems the full story with regards to Bastion was he was going to offer them anti mutant technology that they could control and act as a check against genocia if the mutants decided to both organize and get powerful. you don't get a nation with a noted military hawk/xterrorist and elect him leader and not eventually get people thinking you know what we need to build up some sort of defense initiative for this or a mutual protection pact. Nato =/= oppression
The f*** up is that Bastion jumped the gun to the objection of both the nazi and Doctor doom as well as Valerie Cooper. Who herself who said she did not know about the att6 and considering the fact that she was injured during it while on the site I'm gonna go with the idea that that just wasn't for show. more importantly she was so sorry for what had happened she was willing to release Magneto.
More importantly this is out of proportion. If Magneto always has this power then he could very well use a lesser demonstration of it for the protection and defense of his people and the attack of their enemies. he's destroying everyone and yes this is out of proportion this has absolutely no victory condition for anyone
And finally I have no idea why the hell Magneto is alive and bash kept him in the loop. No really that part makes less than 0 cents
Finally that is a ridiculous low ball for destroying the ongoing infrastructure of global power even in the late 90s example pacemakers
I'm sorry but that's the problem here Magneto's actions are so utterly out of proportion so devastating that nothing can justify them so any sense of justification in a sense that this is a reasonable course of action or this is Direct consequences of anyone's action even when they were taking action just not immediate action or satisfactory action and we're open to being spoken with or compromise or even letting people act different from them
The x men have been given quite a lot of ropeYes you pointed out how Charles has hanged himself but what about everyone else
Millions is a guarantee of who's died and are going to continue to die without any riots or targeted hate mobs
And this is why people feel as if it's justified because in order to get to this point we have to either lowball softball or a vocal sense of forget what you just know in order to make some sort of parity between Magneto and Xavier particularly as if you go to war as Magneto and those who might fan boy him claim all the problems you have with Xavier do not go away
You still have the paternalism you still have the my way or the highway you still have the idealism or at the very least a person who's got an idea in their head and means of conduct and are absolutely married to it with almost no sense of compromise or too little and are willing to play with other people's lives to do it
Finally there's the sense of validating outrage in particular by making it so that if someone is hurt that no one under similar circumstances can ever gain say them this is particularly bad in the case of the brother and sister pair of rogue and Kurt
No I don't think that it's terrible
And you did point out stuff that I didn't miss or not appreciate
But the problem is that there's only so much that I can value meat loaf perspective because of what you point out this man is looking for an excuse he's not committed to peace he is eager to externalize his own agony all he needs is an excuse
And it's clear that again Kelly does not want there to be a war he just wants to maintain a monopoly of force or at least some parody of power against a man who's proven time and again that he will use force in order to threaten the little or undermine those in power or individuals
Xavier is willing to get people the last benefit of the doubt because he can basically always resort to plan b which is make you do what I want f****** anyway which by the way is such a powerful plan b it's risky to make it plan a so it's understandable why he acts the way he does
Who are these people you keep saying are anti mutant? Do you mean in universe or in the real world?
JSG gets really fixated on trolls and political extremists. He’s a great reviewer but he has a lot of hatred towards the Trump crowd (evangelicals especially, but he always stops short of calling them out) and he doesn’t seem to know how to brush off really bad takes. I bet there are people who purposely make him mad because he reacts so easily.
Getting called out in a video like this would give a sadist exactly what they want
Woooooooo
Love the new intro
Magneto is a misguided villain who thinks he's righteous. He's not a hero.
🔥🔥🔥 episode
I don’t like how they handled Magneto. Mostly because there’s no such think in real life that the opressed causes LARGE destruction in revenge.
In comparison Magneto should just destroy a city compared to Bastion’s global genocide cause the opressor’s atrocities always surpasses the opressed’s 1 to a 100.
Does anyone actually dies in this series? As far as I've seen it seems like there are no stakes as everyone comes back
You really make me wanna see this show
I know that Magneto ripping out the adamantium is from the comics, and if Wolverine had more of a character arc in this series, it would be good writing. But I personally just don’t like it. I hated when it happened in the comics and I hated it more seeing it animation last week. Something can be good writing and still be something I just don’t like.
How is Cable's arm and gun still functional with all electronics broken?
It's techno-organic not machined metal like Forge's leg. Think biological nanites that use the body to function like circuits. Or in simpler terms "comic book logic".
come on.. that morph line was funny.. because it's so meta..
It ought to be noted that Colossus DID go with the acolytes to the satellite, but he had not completely abandoned the X Men. He was on guard duty and allowed the X team to teleport in and didn't report it, by cleverly answering that he saw no trouble on earth when asked. he didn't want to outright lie to his new allies, either. He was more in the middle, and I expect Rogue to do something similar to act as a helper behind enemy lines. Colossus would eventually go on to join Excalibur after a short while. Oh, and I doubt the wigs were a mistake, more a choice made to make the display cases look better. Wigs aren't expensive, and they went to the trouble of mounting them to be seen.
Got to give credit, they had the balls to have Magneto rip out the metal from Wolverine's body in this cartoon, i know back in the 90s they wouldnt do this.
I had a funny feeling when Cyclops split the team in to Blue and Gold and Blue team were going after Magneto.
I was thinking...wait a minute this storyline looks familiar.
Its a shame that the teams were not like the comics
Blue: Cyclops, Wolverine, Rogue, Gambit, Beast, Psylocke and Jubilee
Gold: Storm, Jean, Bishop, Iceman, Archangel, and Colossus. (Plus i would add Nightcrawler to this team)
I really, really want the Onslaught arc. I only ever read the finale, so I look forward to seeing how it all comes together.
Feels like they’re quickly heading to a reboot. This would’ve been three seasons worth of story in the 90s but they went to hurry up to do onslaught.
Did the scene actually specify that magneto's emp actually killed people? Like any context clues from this episode or the previous one?
The morph comment was called for and not petty. Rogue is enforcing the idea that magento asks, how many if the xmen must die to acheive xaviers dream of tolerance? Rogue names those who were thought to uave already been dead or sacrificed aka jean and morph. She couldve mentioned storm too if she wanted who the team thought she lost her powers forever.
Glad you caught the Xavier/Kelly conversation. Seriously?! Xavier like I voted for you lol. I will say idk how come Magneto didn't prioritize Bastion and Sinister since regardless of what the U.N. felt those 2 are the ones that did the deed. The EMP to nuke all the Sentinels was fine but outside story purposes Bastion literally had his way with Magneto with no safe word 👀
Pity no one watched this didn’t even chart on Nielsen
I call bullshit that more people died in genosha than this attack. Mags attack effected the WHOLE planet and genosha was basically just a state. Mags attack would've effected every hospital on the planet killing people in the ICU and anyone else hooked up to a machine so infants to the elderly are dead. I think a good amount of people forget mag is a villain as iv seen some in support of his action. I understand why he did it but he is no different than the monsters he hates. I did like the touch of baston crying for his mom showing that he does have love for his family and is not a villain that was just using everyone.
If I had one negative about this episode it would be rogue and sunspot joining mag felt to fast and seem to only happen because the writers wanted the x-men to have more people to fight than just dog piling on mag. I mean dont they realize that mag killed a bunch of innocent people including mutants. I also was so into the episode that I did not realize that rogue was wearing gambits jacket. You also mention those who flat out hate the show and to be honest I have yet to run into any of these people. Even some that I watch on youtube seem to like the show.
Yeah Onslaught was my first thought too.
You know what I was thinking, as sort of a cool twist on Logan's death? What if it wasn't just Scott she pulled in during Jean's final moments, what if it was Scott and Logan. Like in Executioner's Song, he was knocked out and, though he doesn't have the rapport that Jean and Scott have, she's still connected to his subconscious because she does actually care about him. I mean, I know, healing factor and all, but it would explain why he got up and give a lot more, in universe, context to the line he delivered before slicing open Magneto.
I am not going to lie, I was expecting this to degrade over time.... or jump off and try to be like the proud family or otherr reboots that 'continue'... and it hasn't. I agree some of the things aren't great reasoning wise but if they can keep this quality season 2 may be great.
Xavier always was bad at giving or respecting agency in his students.