We've covered many different topics in this video and I can't wait to answer all of your questions. Since I reply to as many comments as possible please take the time to have a look if your question has already been answered. Feel free to ask a different question then😉
I'm sure that you will be aware of a number of restoration projects underway on UA-cam projects such as Tally Ho, Brupeg, Yaba, Melody, and many others. Ben and MP of Project Yaba are fully aware of the pitfalls of launching into many restoration projects. Indeed, they themselves have admitted that Yaba had already reached the point of non viability for restoration, a situation very familiar to Leo of Tally Ho. He has made no attempt to restore the original boat, for which boat he paid a nominal dollar ! But his purchase bought him the title of ownership, allowing him to use the original as a template for building the replica. The great benefit of this approach to restoration of a deteriorated vessel appears to me to simplify the planning and budgeting processes. Yaba opted to attempt a restoration of their original boat for which brave effort I commend them for their bravery of spirit and just for being themselves as lovely people. They are very close to splashing Yaba now, and they have ended up with a beautiful boat to provide them with an amazing live aboard boat! They have definitely earned for themselves a most excellent ticket to see 👀 their world!
I want you too know something. I'm 76, some people consider that old I consider it just a fact and nothing more. It's virtually meaning less. When I watch what the two of you are doing it inspires me. Watching you both trying to fulfill a dream is inspiring and heart warming. I know you struggle with doubts and disappointments, but I also know that you will achieve your dream. A piece of advise that I'd like to share if you don't mind. Getting things done to get them done is not the key. Getting things done the way you want them done to satisfy your want is not only the dream but joyful. Time really has nothing to do with anything. I can guaranty you you will never completely finish because that is your nature. You will constantly be making changes. Another thing is in the middle of a difficult time take the time to love each other. I hope this makes sense. Maybe I should sign off as. All my love Grandpa!!
Yes, if you're 76 and in good health, ENJOY YOURSELF! I'm 74 and a total mess, so I'm very restricted in the things that I can still enjoy. Moral of my story? Raise Hell while you're still capable! 😅😂🤣
It does make sense and thank you for your words dean. Last week I've had a cold and it was a dark and rainy day. Ok, I wasn't happy that we had to cancel all boating fun in 2023. But now we have the time to prepare the boat for the journey to Germany. We can prepare everything for the next shipyard time. I think the most important message in the video is that after all that we do know now, we still want to continue with the project. Thanks for joining us on this journey!
Some of the best advice I got over the years of restoring bikes, cars, and tractors.. my master mechanic/machinist ( diesel truck, jet car, Robosaurus, race cars etc.) buddy said, don’t sweat the small stuff!… meaning if it’s working, most likely it’ll keep working. If your motors in good shape, there’s no reason to pull it out and rebuild it. It’s not a guarantee that the rebuild won’t explode or break… I’ve seen that happen too.. I’d say replace the hoses and the belts and any leaking valve,cover gaskets and run it. It’s really the only way to find the weaknesses in your system. I’ve heard of diesel trucks here in the US going over 1,000,000 miles without a rebuild… just my two cents, love the project…
Good advice 👍 At the moment the engine is really accessible but we will make the engine room smaller to make room for a second bath room / head. We haven't planned to take the engine out. Just maintenance, checking the valve play, tackling leaks of any kind and maybe a paint job so that it looks decent. I've heard recommendations that an in frame is recommended after 25 000 hours and a complete rebuild after 50 000 hours. We will never ever get to this amount of running hours.
Some good advice there from David Lucas! I will back him up by repeating an old idiom: If it ain't broke, don't fix it! It looks like there's more than enough things that ARE broken on that engine to keep you busy for quite a while!
Done is better than perfect and sometimes it's necessary to do side projects on the way. Building a temporary cabin and a temporary galley does take up some time. We will eventually rip it out in a few years. But on the other hand it makes the next few years on the boat so much more enjoyable. Use it or loose it!
The two of your are the nicest people , and the Flying Coney will be done as a schooner and will be your home . We pray for you and God will make a way that no man can do , keep the faith your doing great, it’s a big job and you will have all the rewards of it . God bless you both
Daniel thank you for the wonderful job you did on this video. You explained everything so well. You don't usually speak very much on the videos, but this was excellent. I wish I could be there to help with the work you and Barbara are doing. Ed C
I always thought that I have the perfect radio face 😉 We're still experimenting with different UA-cam video styles and usually when people want to see the boat I show them around and explain things. So then we thought why not try it out in a video. I'm glad you liked it!
If you multiply daunting with overwhelming I think that's where we are at the moment. But it's not the end, it's just the realization that we need to build up from scratch. the take away is that we now ha e a good estimation of what needs to be done and we're still whiling to tackle this challenge. And I think that's positive.
Interesting opinion. Most people I've talked about this step either said it's a great idea or they told me that it's overkill and not worth the money. But you're the first one who said it's better to leave the concrete unprotected.
I think your doing very well, any larger boat that is not brand new needs a lot of maintenance and I think she looks so much more up together than when you first started the repairs
I am very glad to hear you are going to do some thorough maintenance on the ship's engine. This is the right idea and the right mentality. It needs to run in events of emergency when your life truly depends on it. So its the best of ideas to do the maintenance until it is up to specification. Maybe you can find a workplace manual or repair manual for the engine, and sometimes these can be bought if you cant find them for free on the internet. Well, i hope you see through the project part and see it as fun when doing all the work. If you have read on the topics it will be a lot easier to get through the work. If you find the right people they will help you i am sure of that. Also, if you read on the topics you are dealing with with the boat repairs, you can be more specific and find the solution you are looking for quicker and for better prices. Of course a network of people helps a lot with finding the right people too. Good luck! Greetings, Jeff
It must be discouraging at times to see all the work that is in front of you, but when I look back to see what you have already accomplished, I find that to be truly remarkable. All that time in the yard, brought about so many changes and improvements. Just considering how much you had to dismantle and how many problems you've already solved is amazing. I'm looking forward to the day when your living quarters are comfortable enough to get another bunny! Flying Coney needs a bunny on board to live up to its name!
Our bunnies will be always aboard in our memories. Or maybe a real flying coney as a figurehead? What do you think Ann? When filming this video I had a cold so that's probably why it feels a bit depressed. Also the dark, cold and rainy Lelystad weather add to the mood. And also finding out that there will be no boating for us in all of 2023 wasn't fun. But after all that we know now and all that we have discovered we still think it's worth to continue. We just have to find the right work- work balance that we managed to not burn out in the years of work ahead of us.
@@FlyingConey A bunny figurehead would be adorable and maybe if it had extra big bunny ears, it could catch some wind to help you sail! You definitely had more than your share of challenges with Flying Coney, but you are figuring out solutions to the problems. It is unfortunate that there is no boating for you this year. You really deserve a break and I hope you are able to enjoy some downtime occasionally.
I hope that you realise your dream and get Flying Cooney finished, I know you have spent time, money and a lot of effort I think you are doing superb keep going you are doing superb
I think we're just going through a tough stage in the project. Ripping things our is necessary but not really a rewarding job. I was really looking forward to this one single journey this year and now we just realized it's more reasonable to do things step by step. Doing the more reasonable thing is necessary but sometimes it's difficult to feel happy about it.
It may be a bigger job than you thought well way bigger but you are doing superbly so keep going, you should be proud of what you have achieved what and you will achieve, you will get there. @@FlyingConey
@@FlyingConeyI am sorry demo is just hard work any kid can do that. The toughest parts are to come. You’re kidding yourself. Sorry but what it takes to build in something that isn’t square. Wish you best of luck.
Such a terrible kick in the ribs for you both with the engine, I truly hope its only the superficial issues that you see that are the full extent of the problem. Perhaps slowing down for a week or two and tackle the head at a more relaxing pace might take some of the stress out of it for you. As always, thank you for sharing - stay safe
That engine room gives you a good idea of the size of this lovely vessel, just have a look at how much room there is with the Captain standing down there. It is truly cavernous. This will make a great sailing adventure live aboard, especially if you rig it like she was when a sail boat. Impressive stuff, incredible effort being spent here, wish you all the best with it
Step by step... We have more pounds rust than other people have pounds of boat 🤣 But with every unnecessary item that flies overboard the project gets more manageable. Once the engine is overhauled and running again we can finally call it a boat again and we not too far away from a sound casco.
Can’t wait for the overhaul of that motor. Belts hoses are just maintenance. Can’t wait to see the heads off and the overhaul. Hope the liners are good.
Our overhaul will be somewhere in the middle of an extended maintenance and an in frame. 5000 hours isn't much for a truck engine. It's an equivalent of 400 000km or about two years for a truck.
Its a hard project and a hard way to live during the years of construction as well. Those steel supports will go quickly with cardboard templating - and the concrete sides will come off quickly with a small hand jack hammer but be careful. As you are in the water, you want to have some water patching tape to cover any leaks that spring up - just in case.
I cant but not admire you for what you are doing 👍, such a huge challenge you are taking on it seems like the monster with seven heads but I expect you will overcome it all in the end and have a legacy of a boat to leave for the nation.
We can't wait to move back aboard. We can't wait to start modifying the structures. We can't wait to build a new wooden interior from scratch. We can't wait to rewire the boat. And we can't wait to go on adventures together with our patrons and viewers.
Well done again you two. Remember you two are..... Da boat terminators. Still lovin this channel. Oh yes sometimes i think i can actually feel your self doubt thru the video,but try not to worry,you may not have wanted a "project" boat to start with, but i now believe this will turn out to be the best thing that will enhance both your lives.
I was really hoping to get some boating fun this year 😭 I'm going through a cold so this wasn't my peak performance. But I think we can manage to get Flying Coney back to live. It will be a long and hard way. But nothing worth heaving is easy.
Gardner engines are the most beautiful engines ever built and the 24 liters displacement sound tempting. But our DAF 1160 DKS is king when it comes to fuel economics. 10 liters per hour is next to nothing. This is achieved by a turbo an intercooler and a special cylinder cooling. The DAF also has a distinctive rough idling sound. It sounds like a big big muscle or race car. I love it! Also the DAF is based on a Leyland engine.
@@FlyingConeyMmmmm. Well I dont know what rpm the DAF is burning 10 litres of fuel an hour at but it must be pretty low. A 230 hp at 1150 rpm 8L3B Gardner will be using around the 9.2 imperial gallon/ 41 litre an hour mark. And Gardners are acknowledged all over the world as having a low fuel consumption. Heres a rule of thumb that still stands true to this day. 1 imp gallon / 4.5 litres of diesel in a pre electronic/common rail engine will produce approx 25 hp mark. And this applies for turbocharged units. So your DAF is making around the 55hp mark at whatever rpm range its getting thru 10l per hour. Not knocking your DAF in anyway, shape or form.
So far we've been running the DAF a bit low. 1200rpm doing 5.4 knots. We probably should go a bit higher since the engine is ratet up to 2200rpm. Somehow I thought it's 1800... We've been on a sailing ship called Jantje equipped with a Scania Diesel and they use 14-15 liters going a bit faster than we do. So our fuel consumption is low but not unrealistic. You have to take into account that we do have the hull of a drift netter. It's a sailing ship hull and not a trawler hull. The first engine only had 150hp and she still could reach 8 knots with it. @@matui6983
Id be looking at the engines specifications and ratings and look for the rpm setting where the engine is making its highest torque figure as this is normally the most economical rpm point of pretty much any marine engine. With it being rated around 2200rpm I wouldnt be surprised if 1500-1800rpm could be the best point to run the DAF at. Should reach the hulls best cruising speed around there, go over that and your speed may not increase too much but your fuel burn certainly will. The difference in fuel usage from say 1500rpm then jumping up to 2000-2200rpm surprises a lot of boat owners.
If the bathroom is always damp then I would guess that it's a condensation problem. There is probably no (or not enough) insulation between the hull and the bathroom wall. So it probably needs to be insulated and it also should have good ventilation.
Good guess but most likely that's not the cause. One reason might be that water enters with the wooden deck. Or there's water coming from some welding seam.
it seems you finally undestood the money pit, me and other ppl, were talking about. on top of the money (or, alongside it) you will need a team working with you to have this done in a pratical time frame. i think comparisons are useful when and if they are properly contextualized. having said that: Tally Ho is being build for years and Leo as a full team of PROFESSIONALS with him. without that team he wouldnt be able to gather footage, make videos, ie, have YT and Patreon bankrolling the project. oh and he wouldnt be having the boat build as fast as they building it. its been years and building from scratch its sometimes easier and quicker than repairing and refitting because you dont need to conform to something already established, you measure, template, cut and install the piece (in a simplistic way) you, on the other hand, have to walk on eggshells to not burst a rivet. i am refitting a 29 feet grp boat, i can do 10/12 hours straight of work (only wc breaks and water, i only have one small meal at the beginning of the day) for 4 days, then i need a full day of rest, and then i can do another 4 days, im 42 yo, ive been at my refit for almost 3 years because i can only work for 6 months at a time due to weather (im in Macau, near Hong Kong) and i still have another 2 years, at least, in front of me. i dont do YT, i take photos and publish in a couple of forums and even that takes time, if i had a channel i would never had the boat finished. i also work full time and in china thats 48 hours per week, 12 days annual leave, so im looking at your and......yeah......money....lots of it. not to mention the equipment you need to commercially operate and to a standard people would find comfortable.
Good luck with your project! We are long time followers of many projects here on YT. So when we started this journey we had some sort of estimation. We hoped that after a year we will be somewhere near Brupeg, Ship Happens or Sailing Yaba. We ended up with less than 1/3 of what they have. That's enough to continue making the videos but it severely affects the progress. We still hope that this channel will grow. Flying Coney is registered as a pleasure craft and we will keep it that way. So we haven't intended a commercial use. Once we're finished you can join us for sail trainings and expeditions but you will be part of the crew. As a private pleasure craft we can legally carry 12 guests + crew.
The capacity of 12 (+crew) is really important here because for more you need to be coded. In some countries it's allowed earn money with a yacht. In some countries there are exceptions for sail training. Also it's possible to charge money not directly for the journey but for a club membership. For example you need to become a member of the Flying Coney Supporters Society to be invited on a journey. For every 100€ support you'll get a one day free journey 😉 I'm not a lawyer neither a tax consultant but this is how many boats are operated. In theory the whole German traditional sailing fleet isn't allowed to make money.
ok, different countries have different laws and requirements. apart from boat refitting and a normal job i also have a 14 yo son. Say you had your boat ready and he, alongside a group of other young people (young people in my book is up to 18 yo, because thats the age where, in most countries you are a legal adult) takes a trip with you, say, crossing the atlantic. Then lets say he gets injured, the weather was bad and a yard comes down the rig and hits him, its a bad injury. who is liable for that?@@FlyingConey
We want to bring back Flying Coney to the Tall Ship Races. To participated 50% of the crew must be in between 15 and 25 years of age. That's what I have in mind when I say sail with young people all around the world. Flying Coney will not be a charter Yacht with cabins for two adults with an en-suite bathroom. We do want to sail and explore and not move from one harbor to the next. If an accident happens aboard any kind of boat usually the case wants to court. It doesn't matter if the boat is coded or not and it doesn't matter if your son has paid for the trip or not. We do have an insurance and we we do follow guidelines and rules. So if the yard comes down, was it because there was a technical failure? Or was it because the captain failed to get weather informations. Was it because the safety instruction wasn't sufficient and he was in a danger zone. There is a risk involved in sailing but we try to minimize dangers. But this has nothing to do with your initial question. A friend of yours takes your son on an Atlantic crossing on a Bavaria 65 (A non coded and not commercial yacht) during the night he slips and fell overboard. Who's liable. I know Flying Coney looks like a traditional ship but legally we're just an old, non commercial yacht.
I have followed your exploits for a couple of episodes having found your Video's only recently. Having rebuilt two project (wooden/fibreglass) in my earlier days, I have sympathy for the task ahead. I do not mean to say that my projects were anywhere near the scale of your task and I wish you all luck and support from your followers for the months/years ahead. I have one simple question for you though, when I first saw the boat it was named SALLY, where did the name FLYING CONEY come from and what is it's significance. Good luck to you both and may your hard work be rewarded.
Hi David, SALLY wasn't the original name either and we still don't know the name of the wooden warship she once was. I wanted to have a name that also would suit a tea clipper ship and we have a past in sailing foiling racing catamarans. That's were the FLYING comes from. We both love bunny rabbits and wanted to have those little fellas in the name of our ship. FLYING BUNNY would be a little bit too cute and you never say rabbit on a boat. So we endet up with FLYING CONEY and coney is just an older word for rabbit. Sailors named Coney Island after the many rabbits they've seen there. Also the ship was built by a shipyard named De Haas also meaning rabbit. So the history of her names is: FLYING CONEY, SALLY, RAN, EKHART, CATHARINA, LEENDERT, TINY and probably two names before that. TINY would've been also hilarious. What do you think about the name we came up with?
Oil samples makes more sense if you have a reverence. So priorities first! Let's get rid of the coolant leaks and do the overhaul and then we can approach the details.
Nope , a 3 hour job becomes a 3 day job and so on . But on the plus side , when it's done (kind of , because no boat is ever really done) you will be knowing everything on this vessel . Wich will definitely help in difficult situations .
I also have a boat with poured concrete (the boat is much smaller, but of similar age). So I find it interesting what you said about the preservative property of concrete. I have also heard before that concrete is basic and therefore protects steel from corrosion. However, I've also heard voices that concrete shrinks a bit as it dries, so concrete would be a big problem because corrosion happens unseen underneath. What do you say to these arguments?
There are different types and and mixes of concrete all depending on the use .if done properly for the use intended and it has been in place for some time without issue you may feel confident there will be no issue in the future .If you are worried about corrosion starting it will start at the outer edges so to prevent this the simple fix is to apply a coating of some type overlapping the concrete and the surface of the hull , basically creating a seal so there is no intrusion beneath the concrete .
What I've said in the video is backed up by the shipyard and the surveyor. You'll get a rough idea of the condition of the steel by making an ultrasonic test. But how does the concrete look in your boat. Does it crumbly, do you have cracks in it? If not I wouldn't worry too much! Concrete is a far bigger problem in wooden boats and same people fail to differentiate and funny enough, Leo poured some concrete in Tally Ho's bilge. Also other forms of ballast are not bullet prof either. Recently I talked with a commercial inland captain and he once had an emergency on a river cruise ship because the scrap metal ballast has eaten its way through the hull.
Completely understand your disheartened feelings for the boat. It was a project boat in disguise, with all of its problems. But, look at it this way. Yes there is a lot of time on the hard and issues to sort, along with the rebuild of all internals. However, at the end of it you WILL have a boat you can put your trust in, knowing the engine, electrics are good and you can design her interior as you want. Chin up Daniel its not so bad. You & Barbara will get there its only time against you.
It's just a rhetorical question and has nothing to do with clickbait. I don't know the answer, maybe you know? But here we go: We've bought the ship because we saw a magnificent sailing ship in her and otherwise she would've been scraped. Not many boats like that on the markets. Hull report looked good, price was fair and we had no imagination how much ship you get with a LOA of 25 meters.
Exactly. Because it's a boring meaningless existence we searched something to do to give our live a purpose. We thought why don't help young people out buy teaching skills like teamwork and taking over responsibilities. Give them possibilities. You're not a sailor so you won't understand. But for me working together to refit and sail a ship is more meaningful than speeding negativity in comments.
@@FlyingConey I AM a sailor: The first time I sailed was when I was10 in a summer camp, and loved the peace and serenity away from the frenetic mindless mass of children playing and screaming in the water. I sailed every chance I got every day until the flag was lowered from the flag post. The lake was 5 miles long so no matter where I sailed I could always see if the flag was up or down. I was the sense of freedom, getting away from civilization that made me love sailing... BUT... that was when I was an impressionable naïve 10 year old child... Now I am 76, and I have gained wisdom and perspective, and now sailing is an irresponsibility: not a reason to waste my life on. You see: it took me 76 years to finally crack the conundrum of why civilization is evil... yes evil. Do you know that by 2025 there will be more plastic in the oceans than there are fish?... So while you and all the other sailing enthusiasts are going around enjoying yourselves, the oceans you love so much are being systematically polluted and poisoned... Do any of you sailors care about this? NO. You just want to enjoy yourselves. Are any of the millions of sailing enthusiasts doing anything to stop this polluting of the oceans? NO. You couldn't care less about pollution... Are any of you sailors doing anything to stop the genocide in Gaza or the war in Ukraine? NO. You don't give a f*ck about all the killing and wars: you just want to enjoy yourselves... You see, the the basic reason ALL civilization is evil is because it is based on HEDONISM. The entire population of humans on the planet are HEDONISTS... This means that sailors are not the only ones who are hedonists: I am only pointing this out to you because sailing is a prime example of this evil. The CULTURE of sailing is the same as all other cultures. The fashion culture, the consumer culture the car culture; it doesn't matter which one; ALL OF THEM ARE BASED ON HEDONISM. And Hedonism is based on IRRESPONIBILITY: Not caring about anything except your own personal pleasure and ease. The culture of billionaires is no different from your sailing culture. In fact many billionaires share your sailing culture; and all of these filthy rich billionaires with their million dollar yachts and they are the reason why there are so many poor people because they suck up all the wealth and leave nothing for the rest of Humanity. NOW CHEW ON THIS... it took you days to find a justification for your spending all that money and time... Now see if you can understand why the pursuit of pleasure and ease is fundamentally evil; INCLUDING sailing.
@@FlyingConey So... have you chewed on what I told you? Or have you blocked it out of your mind because it doesn't please you? You see, one reason Hedonists are evil is because they program themselves to ignore any truths they don't like. They exist inside their tiny niches of personal self-interest and block out the rest of the world around them... This effectively makes them be completely unaware of millions of things that are much more important than their little hobbies. It dumbs them down. Car enthusiasts can spend hours knowledgably talking about cars. Sailing enthusiasts can spend hours talking about sail boats... But ask them what's going on in the world around them? They haven't a clue because they're simply not interested... Ask them about politics and their minds go blank. Is this ringing a bell? Or are you blocking this out of your mind?
We've covered many different topics in this video and I can't wait to answer all of your questions. Since I reply to as many comments as possible please take the time to have a look if your question has already been answered. Feel free to ask a different question then😉
I'm sure that you will be aware of a number of restoration projects underway on UA-cam projects such as Tally Ho, Brupeg, Yaba, Melody, and many others. Ben and MP of Project Yaba are fully aware of the pitfalls of launching into many restoration projects. Indeed, they themselves have admitted that Yaba had already reached the point of non viability for restoration, a situation very familiar to Leo of Tally Ho. He has made no attempt to restore the original boat, for which boat he paid a nominal dollar ! But his purchase bought him the title of ownership, allowing him to use the original as a template for building the replica. The great benefit of this approach to restoration of a deteriorated vessel appears to me to simplify the planning and budgeting processes. Yaba opted to attempt a restoration of their original boat for which brave effort I commend them for their bravery of spirit and just for being themselves as lovely people. They are very close to splashing Yaba now, and they have ended up with a beautiful boat to provide them with an amazing live aboard boat! They have definitely earned for themselves a most excellent ticket to see 👀 their world!
She is a lovely old girl x
I want you too know something. I'm 76, some people consider that old I consider it just a fact and nothing more. It's virtually meaning less. When I watch what the two of you are doing it inspires me. Watching you both trying to fulfill a dream is inspiring and heart warming. I know you struggle with doubts and disappointments, but I also know that you will achieve your dream. A piece of advise that I'd like to share if you don't mind. Getting things done to get them done is not the key. Getting things done the way you want them done to satisfy your want is not only the dream but joyful. Time really has nothing to do with anything. I can guaranty you you will never completely finish because that is your nature. You will constantly be making changes. Another thing is in the middle of a difficult time take the time to love each other. I hope this makes sense. Maybe I should sign off as. All my love Grandpa!!
Yes, if you're 76 and in good health, ENJOY YOURSELF! I'm 74 and a total mess, so I'm very restricted in the things that I can still enjoy. Moral of my story? Raise Hell while you're still capable! 😅😂🤣
Your right, everyday is critical.@@Davidcallard
It does make sense and thank you for your words dean. Last week I've had a cold and it was a dark and rainy day. Ok, I wasn't happy that we had to cancel all boating fun in 2023. But now we have the time to prepare the boat for the journey to Germany. We can prepare everything for the next shipyard time. I think the most important message in the video is that after all that we do know now, we still want to continue with the project. Thanks for joining us on this journey!
Well, don't want to take the wind out of your sail, but being 76 is OLD! You're well PAST your prime!! OLD FART!!😂😂🎉
What you're really saying is that you're 76 years old and you haven't learned a damn thing.
Some of the best advice I got over the years of restoring bikes, cars, and tractors.. my master mechanic/machinist ( diesel truck, jet car, Robosaurus, race cars etc.) buddy said, don’t sweat the small stuff!… meaning if it’s working, most likely it’ll keep working. If your motors in good shape, there’s no reason to pull it out and rebuild it. It’s not a guarantee that the rebuild won’t explode or break… I’ve seen that happen too.. I’d say replace the hoses and the belts and any leaking valve,cover gaskets and run it. It’s really the only way to find the weaknesses in your system. I’ve heard of diesel trucks here in the US going over 1,000,000 miles without a rebuild… just my two cents, love the project…
Good advice 👍 At the moment the engine is really accessible but we will make the engine room smaller to make room for a second bath room / head. We haven't planned to take the engine out. Just maintenance, checking the valve play, tackling leaks of any kind and maybe a paint job so that it looks decent. I've heard recommendations that an in frame is recommended after 25 000 hours and a complete rebuild after 50 000 hours. We will never ever get to this amount of running hours.
Some good advice there from David Lucas! I will back him up by repeating an old idiom: If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
It looks like there's more than enough things that ARE broken on that engine to keep you busy for quite a while!
One day and one project at a time and Flying Coney will become her magisterial self.
"Done is Better than Perfect". Your words. Very wise.
Done is better than perfect and sometimes it's necessary to do side projects on the way. Building a temporary cabin and a temporary galley does take up some time. We will eventually rip it out in a few years. But on the other hand it makes the next few years on the boat so much more enjoyable. Use it or loose it!
The two of your are the nicest people , and the Flying Coney will be done as a schooner and will be your home . We pray for you and God will make a way that no man can do , keep the faith your doing great, it’s a big job and you will have all the rewards of it . God bless you both
Thank you for your lovely comment! All the best!
the bathroom 😰, I hope, that you can rebuilt the cabin soon 👍💪✊✊
Onwards and forwards. Great project.
Did they add the concrete for ballast I’ve seen concrete where I used to work in ship yard in us they added it to rub rail
Daniel thank you for the wonderful job you did on this video. You explained everything so well. You don't usually speak very much on the videos, but this was excellent. I wish I could be there to help with the work you and Barbara are doing. Ed C
I always thought that I have the perfect radio face 😉 We're still experimenting with different UA-cam video styles and usually when people want to see the boat I show them around and explain things. So then we thought why not try it out in a video. I'm glad you liked it!
I have always felt that this is a very daunting project.
If you multiply daunting with overwhelming I think that's where we are at the moment. But it's not the end, it's just the realization that we need to build up from scratch. the take away is that we now ha e a good estimation of what needs to be done and we're still whiling to tackle this challenge. And I think that's positive.
Keep up the good work. I have faith in you and Barbara.
5:35 Holy crap NO! Do not seal the concrete. It works so well by absorbing any moister and evaporating it on the surface. Let it breath.
Interesting opinion. Most people I've talked about this step either said it's a great idea or they told me that it's overkill and not worth the money. But you're the first one who said it's better to leave the concrete unprotected.
I think your doing very well, any larger boat that is not brand new needs a lot of maintenance and I think she looks so much more up together than when you first started the repairs
Both of you are amazing!
Thank you very much!
I am very glad to hear you are going to do some thorough maintenance on the ship's engine. This is the right idea and the right mentality. It needs to run in events of emergency when your life truly depends on it. So its the best of ideas to do the maintenance until it is up to specification. Maybe you can find a workplace manual or repair manual for the engine, and sometimes these can be bought if you cant find them for free on the internet.
Well, i hope you see through the project part and see it as fun when doing all the work. If you have read on the topics it will be a lot easier to get through the work. If you find the right people they will help you i am sure of that. Also, if you read on the topics you are dealing with with the boat repairs, you can be more specific and find the solution you are looking for quicker and for better prices. Of course a network of people helps a lot with finding the right people too.
Good luck!
Greetings,
Jeff
It must be discouraging at times to see all the work that is in front of you, but when I look back to see what you have already accomplished, I find that to be truly remarkable. All that time in the yard, brought about so many changes and improvements. Just considering how much you had to dismantle and how many problems you've already solved is amazing. I'm looking forward to the day when your living quarters are comfortable enough to get another bunny! Flying Coney needs a bunny on board to live up to its name!
Our bunnies will be always aboard in our memories. Or maybe a real flying coney as a figurehead? What do you think Ann? When filming this video I had a cold so that's probably why it feels a bit depressed. Also the dark, cold and rainy Lelystad weather add to the mood. And also finding out that there will be no boating for us in all of 2023 wasn't fun. But after all that we know now and all that we have discovered we still think it's worth to continue. We just have to find the right work- work balance that we managed to not burn out in the years of work ahead of us.
@@FlyingConey A bunny figurehead would be adorable and maybe if it had extra big bunny ears, it could catch some wind to help you sail! You definitely had more than your share of challenges with Flying Coney, but you are figuring out solutions to the problems. It is unfortunate that there is no boating for you this year. You really deserve a break and I hope you are able to enjoy some downtime occasionally.
I hope that you realise your dream and get Flying Cooney finished, I know you have spent time, money and a lot of effort I think you are doing superb keep going you are doing superb
I think we're just going through a tough stage in the project. Ripping things our is necessary but not really a rewarding job. I was really looking forward to this one single journey this year and now we just realized it's more reasonable to do things step by step. Doing the more reasonable thing is necessary but sometimes it's difficult to feel happy about it.
It may be a bigger job than you thought well way bigger but you are doing superbly so keep going, you should be proud of what you have achieved what and you will achieve, you will get there. @@FlyingConey
@@FlyingConeyI am sorry demo is just hard work any kid can do that. The toughest parts are to come. You’re kidding yourself. Sorry but what it takes to build in something that isn’t square. Wish you best of luck.
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Уже сделана большая работа. У вас будет очень красивая лодка. Удачи!!!!!
Such a terrible kick in the ribs for you both with the engine, I truly hope its only the superficial issues that you see that are the full extent of the problem.
Perhaps slowing down for a week or two and tackle the head at a more relaxing pace might take some of the stress out of it for you.
As always, thank you for sharing - stay safe
I really hope you guys stick with it, I think she is a beautiful boat and will be well worth the effort.
Hi Barbara.
Y’all are nice people. Keep up the great work!
That engine room gives you a good idea of the size of this lovely vessel, just have a look at how much room there is with the Captain standing down there. It is truly cavernous. This will make a great sailing adventure live aboard, especially if you rig it like she was when a sail boat. Impressive stuff, incredible effort being spent here, wish you all the best with it
The size of the previous engine probably almost reached the ceiling .
Keep up the good work. Flying Coney certainly is a big, rusty handful, but I'm positive all this will be worth it once shes finally complete.
Step by step... We have more pounds rust than other people have pounds of boat 🤣 But with every unnecessary item that flies overboard the project gets more manageable. Once the engine is overhauled and running again we can finally call it a boat again and we not too far away from a sound casco.
Can’t wait for the overhaul of that motor. Belts hoses are just maintenance. Can’t wait to see the heads off and the overhaul. Hope the liners are good.
Our overhaul will be somewhere in the middle of an extended maintenance and an in frame. 5000 hours isn't much for a truck engine. It's an equivalent of 400 000km or about two years for a truck.
I love your perseverance ! Best wishes from Montana
Its a hard project and a hard way to live during the years of construction as well. Those steel supports will go quickly with cardboard templating - and the concrete sides will come off quickly with a small hand jack hammer but be careful. As you are in the water, you want to have some water patching tape to cover any leaks that spring up - just in case.
I cant but not admire you for what you are doing 👍, such a huge challenge you are taking on it seems like the monster with seven heads but I expect you will overcome it all in the end and have a legacy of a boat to leave for the nation.
We can't wait to move back aboard. We can't wait to start modifying the structures. We can't wait to build a new wooden interior from scratch. We can't wait to rewire the boat. And we can't wait to go on adventures together with our patrons and viewers.
Thanks for taking us on the journey.
Our pleasure! Thank you for watching!
Mammoth task guys but you doing good job 👍
Thanks for the update just keep at it eventully the effort pays off.
The boat looks better clean.
Well done again you two.
Remember you two are..... Da boat terminators.
Still lovin this channel.
Oh yes sometimes i think i can actually feel your self doubt thru the video,but try not to worry,you may not have wanted a "project" boat to start with, but i now believe this will turn out to be the best thing that will enhance both your lives.
I was really hoping to get some boating fun this year 😭 I'm going through a cold so this wasn't my peak performance. But I think we can manage to get Flying Coney back to live. It will be a long and hard way. But nothing worth heaving is easy.
Nice video, thanks!
Thanks for the comment!
Thanks
Thanks again Brian!
That engine-room is just crying out to have a 8L3B Gardner engine sitting in pride of place.
Gardner engines are the most beautiful engines ever built and the 24 liters displacement sound tempting. But our DAF 1160 DKS is king when it comes to fuel economics. 10 liters per hour is next to nothing. This is achieved by a turbo an intercooler and a special cylinder cooling. The DAF also has a distinctive rough idling sound. It sounds like a big big muscle or race car. I love it! Also the DAF is based on a Leyland engine.
@@FlyingConeyMmmmm. Well I dont know what rpm the DAF is burning 10 litres of fuel an hour at but it must be pretty low. A 230 hp at 1150 rpm 8L3B Gardner will be using around the 9.2 imperial gallon/ 41 litre an hour mark. And Gardners are acknowledged all over the world as having a low fuel consumption. Heres a rule of thumb that still stands true to this day. 1 imp gallon / 4.5 litres of diesel in a pre electronic/common rail engine will produce approx 25 hp mark. And this applies for turbocharged units. So your DAF is making around the 55hp mark at whatever rpm range its getting thru 10l per hour. Not knocking your DAF in anyway, shape or form.
So far we've been running the DAF a bit low. 1200rpm doing 5.4 knots. We probably should go a bit higher since the engine is ratet up to 2200rpm. Somehow I thought it's 1800... We've been on a sailing ship called Jantje equipped with a Scania Diesel and they use 14-15 liters going a bit faster than we do. So our fuel consumption is low but not unrealistic. You have to take into account that we do have the hull of a drift netter. It's a sailing ship hull and not a trawler hull. The first engine only had 150hp and she still could reach 8 knots with it. @@matui6983
Id be looking at the engines specifications and ratings and look for the rpm setting where the engine is making its highest torque figure as this is normally the most economical rpm point of pretty much any marine engine. With it being rated around 2200rpm I wouldnt be surprised if 1500-1800rpm could be the best point to run the DAF at. Should reach the hulls best cruising speed around there, go over that and your speed may not increase too much but your fuel burn certainly will. The difference in fuel usage from say 1500rpm then jumping up to 2000-2200rpm surprises a lot of boat owners.
Talk about on the job training. Wowser!
If the bathroom is always damp then I would guess that it's a condensation problem. There is probably no (or not enough) insulation between the hull and the bathroom wall. So it probably needs to be insulated and it also should have good ventilation.
Good guess but most likely that's not the cause. One reason might be that water enters with the wooden deck. Or there's water coming from some welding seam.
it seems you finally undestood the money pit, me and other ppl, were talking about. on top of the money (or, alongside it) you will need a team working with you to have this done in a pratical time frame. i think comparisons are useful when and if they are properly contextualized. having said that: Tally Ho is being build for years and Leo as a full team of PROFESSIONALS with him. without that team he wouldnt be able to gather footage, make videos, ie, have YT and Patreon bankrolling the project. oh and he wouldnt be having the boat build as fast as they building it. its been years and building from scratch its sometimes easier and quicker than repairing and refitting because you dont need to conform to something already established, you measure, template, cut and install the piece (in a simplistic way) you, on the other hand, have to walk on eggshells to not burst a rivet. i am refitting a 29 feet grp boat, i can do 10/12 hours straight of work (only wc breaks and water, i only have one small meal at the beginning of the day) for 4 days, then i need a full day of rest, and then i can do another 4 days, im 42 yo, ive been at my refit for almost 3 years because i can only work for 6 months at a time due to weather (im in Macau, near Hong Kong) and i still have another 2 years, at least, in front of me. i dont do YT, i take photos and publish in a couple of forums and even that takes time, if i had a channel i would never had the boat finished. i also work full time and in china thats 48 hours per week, 12 days annual leave, so im looking at your and......yeah......money....lots of it. not to mention the equipment you need to commercially operate and to a standard people would find comfortable.
Good luck with your project! We are long time followers of many projects here on YT. So when we started this journey we had some sort of estimation. We hoped that after a year we will be somewhere near Brupeg, Ship Happens or Sailing Yaba. We ended up with less than 1/3 of what they have. That's enough to continue making the videos but it severely affects the progress. We still hope that this channel will grow.
Flying Coney is registered as a pleasure craft and we will keep it that way. So we haven't intended a commercial use. Once we're finished you can join us for sail trainings and expeditions but you will be part of the crew. As a private pleasure craft we can legally carry 12 guests + crew.
i understand your boat may take up to 12 passengers plus crew, but to charge money dont you need to be coded, thus licensed?@@FlyingConey
The capacity of 12 (+crew) is really important here because for more you need to be coded. In some countries it's allowed earn money with a yacht. In some countries there are exceptions for sail training. Also it's possible to charge money not directly for the journey but for a club membership. For example you need to become a member of the Flying Coney Supporters Society to be invited on a journey. For every 100€ support you'll get a one day free journey 😉 I'm not a lawyer neither a tax consultant but this is how many boats are operated. In theory the whole German traditional sailing fleet isn't allowed to make money.
ok, different countries have different laws and requirements. apart from boat refitting and a normal job i also have a 14 yo son. Say you had your boat ready and he, alongside a group of other young people (young people in my book is up to 18 yo, because thats the age where, in most countries you are a legal adult) takes a trip with you, say, crossing the atlantic.
Then lets say he gets injured, the weather was bad and a yard comes down the rig and hits him, its a bad injury. who is liable for that?@@FlyingConey
We want to bring back Flying Coney to the Tall Ship Races. To participated 50% of the crew must be in between 15 and 25 years of age. That's what I have in mind when I say sail with young people all around the world. Flying Coney will not be a charter Yacht with cabins for two adults with an en-suite bathroom. We do want to sail and explore and not move from one harbor to the next.
If an accident happens aboard any kind of boat usually the case wants to court. It doesn't matter if the boat is coded or not and it doesn't matter if your son has paid for the trip or not. We do have an insurance and we we do follow guidelines and rules. So if the yard comes down, was it because there was a technical failure? Or was it because the captain failed to get weather informations. Was it because the safety instruction wasn't sufficient and he was in a danger zone. There is a risk involved in sailing but we try to minimize dangers.
But this has nothing to do with your initial question. A friend of yours takes your son on an Atlantic crossing on a Bavaria 65 (A non coded and not commercial yacht) during the night he slips and fell overboard. Who's liable. I know Flying Coney looks like a traditional ship but legally we're just an old, non commercial yacht.
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Thanks again Mathijs! Your donation is really really appreciated ⛵️
My pleasure. And I just hope you will carry on making videos of your ship as long as possible! I really enjoy them. 👏🏻😊👍🏻
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You such a lovely couple i wish you well in your endeavours
I have followed your exploits for a couple of episodes having found your Video's only recently. Having rebuilt two project (wooden/fibreglass) in my earlier days, I have sympathy for the task ahead. I do not mean to say that my projects were anywhere near the scale of your task and I wish you all luck and support from your followers for the months/years ahead. I have one simple question for you though, when I first saw the boat it was named SALLY, where did the name FLYING CONEY come from and what is it's significance. Good luck to you both and may your hard work be rewarded.
Hi David, SALLY wasn't the original name either and we still don't know the name of the wooden warship she once was. I wanted to have a name that also would suit a tea clipper ship and we have a past in sailing foiling racing catamarans. That's were the FLYING comes from. We both love bunny rabbits and wanted to have those little fellas in the name of our ship. FLYING BUNNY would be a little bit too cute and you never say rabbit on a boat. So we endet up with FLYING CONEY and coney is just an older word for rabbit. Sailors named Coney Island after the many rabbits they've seen there. Also the ship was built by a shipyard named De Haas also meaning rabbit. So the history of her names is: FLYING CONEY, SALLY, RAN, EKHART, CATHARINA, LEENDERT, TINY and probably two names before that. TINY would've been also hilarious. What do you think about the name we came up with?
Ship looked alot better without aft cabin
Are the two of you planning on a family and will the rebuilding of Flying Coney be made with accommadation for a family?
Why don’t you get an oil sample taken and set out to test
Oil samples makes more sense if you have a reverence. So priorities first! Let's get rid of the coolant leaks and do the overhaul and then we can approach the details.
In the history of boats, has ANYONE ever overestimated the amount of work necessary to bring a boat up to snuff?
Nope , a 3 hour job becomes a 3 day job and so on . But on the plus side , when it's done (kind of , because no boat is ever really done) you will be knowing everything on this vessel .
Wich will definitely help in difficult situations .
like the new haircut !
Thanks!
I also have a boat with poured concrete (the boat is much smaller, but of similar age). So I find it interesting what you said about the preservative property of concrete. I have also heard before that concrete is basic and therefore protects steel from corrosion. However, I've also heard voices that concrete shrinks a bit as it dries, so concrete would be a big problem because corrosion happens unseen underneath. What do you say to these arguments?
There are different types and and mixes of concrete all depending on the use .if done properly for the use intended and it has been in place for some time without issue you may feel confident there will be no issue in the future .If you are worried about corrosion starting it will start at the outer edges so to prevent this the simple fix is to apply a coating of some type overlapping the concrete and the surface of the hull , basically creating a seal so there is no intrusion beneath the concrete .
What I've said in the video is backed up by the shipyard and the surveyor. You'll get a rough idea of the condition of the steel by making an ultrasonic test. But how does the concrete look in your boat. Does it crumbly, do you have cracks in it? If not I wouldn't worry too much! Concrete is a far bigger problem in wooden boats and same people fail to differentiate and funny enough, Leo poured some concrete in Tally Ho's bilge. Also other forms of ballast are not bullet prof either. Recently I talked with a commercial inland captain and he once had an emergency on a river cruise ship because the scrap metal ballast has eaten its way through the hull.
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Completely understand your disheartened feelings for the boat. It was a project boat in disguise, with all of its problems. But, look at it this way. Yes there is a lot of time on the hard and issues to sort, along with the rebuild of all internals. However, at the end of it you WILL have a boat you can put your trust in, knowing the engine, electrics are good and you can design her interior as you want. Chin up Daniel its not so bad. You & Barbara will get there its only time against you.
Concrete is real bad for steel
You cannot manufacture history. Hang in there. Maybe I will be a passenger one day 😊.
Well spoken mate! Thanks for the comment!
OMG 23rd comment .
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Why so many ???. So far I've only heard of the the three ??? not the six ??????
@@FlyingConey it'a mystery... we will never find out
to much talking
YOU DID NOT EXPLAIN WHY YOU BOUGHT THE BOAT IN THE FIRST PLACE;
Either change the title or admit you posted a clickbait video that attracts views.
It's just a rhetorical question and has nothing to do with clickbait. I don't know the answer, maybe you know? But here we go: We've bought the ship because we saw a magnificent sailing ship in her and otherwise she would've been scraped. Not many boats like that on the markets. Hull report looked good, price was fair and we had no imagination how much ship you get with a LOA of 25 meters.
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So basically no good reason except you're affluent, bored and have nothing better to do with your hedonistic meaningless existence.
Exactly. Because it's a boring meaningless existence we searched something to do to give our live a purpose. We thought why don't help young people out buy teaching skills like teamwork and taking over responsibilities. Give them possibilities. You're not a sailor so you won't understand. But for me working together to refit and sail a ship is more meaningful than speeding negativity in comments.
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I AM a sailor: The first time I sailed was when I was10 in a summer camp, and loved the peace and serenity
away from the frenetic mindless mass of children playing and screaming in the water. I sailed every chance I got every day until the flag was lowered from the flag post. The lake was 5 miles long so no matter where I sailed I could always see if the flag was up or down. I was the sense of freedom, getting away from civilization that made me love sailing...
BUT... that was when I was an impressionable naïve 10 year old child... Now I am 76, and I have gained wisdom and perspective, and now sailing is an irresponsibility: not a reason to waste my life on.
You see: it took me 76 years to finally crack the conundrum of why civilization is evil... yes evil.
Do you know that by 2025 there will be more plastic in the oceans than there are fish?... So while you and all the other sailing enthusiasts are going around enjoying yourselves, the oceans you love so much are being systematically polluted and poisoned... Do any of you sailors care about this? NO. You just want to enjoy yourselves. Are any of the millions of sailing enthusiasts doing anything to stop this polluting of the oceans? NO. You couldn't care less about pollution... Are any of you sailors doing anything to stop the genocide in Gaza or the war in Ukraine? NO. You don't give a f*ck about all the killing and wars: you just want to enjoy yourselves...
You see, the the basic reason ALL civilization is evil is because it is based on HEDONISM. The entire population of humans on the planet are HEDONISTS... This means that sailors are not the only ones who are hedonists: I am only pointing this out to you because sailing is a prime example of this evil. The CULTURE of sailing is the same as all other cultures. The fashion culture, the consumer culture the car culture; it doesn't matter which one; ALL OF THEM ARE BASED ON HEDONISM. And Hedonism is based on IRRESPONIBILITY: Not caring about anything except your own personal pleasure and ease. The culture of billionaires is no different from your sailing culture. In fact many billionaires share your sailing culture; and all of these filthy rich billionaires with their million dollar yachts and they are the reason why there are so many poor people because they suck up all the wealth and leave nothing for the rest of Humanity.
NOW CHEW ON THIS... it took you days to find a justification for your spending all that money and time...
Now see if you can understand why the pursuit of pleasure and ease is fundamentally evil; INCLUDING sailing.
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So... have you chewed on what I told you?
Or have you blocked it out of your mind
because it doesn't please you?
You see, one reason Hedonists are evil
is because they program themselves to ignore any truths they don't like. They exist inside their tiny niches of personal self-interest and block out the rest of the world around them... This effectively makes them be completely unaware of millions of things that are much more important than their little hobbies. It dumbs them down. Car enthusiasts can spend hours knowledgably talking about cars. Sailing enthusiasts can spend hours talking about sail boats... But ask them what's going on in the world around them? They haven't a clue because they're simply not interested... Ask them about politics and their minds go blank. Is this ringing a bell? Or are you blocking this out of your mind?