11 years later and here I am, still learning about Skyrim. No matter how many hours I have put into this game, Nate never fails to give you a new tale in the world of the elder scrolls!
Here's a tiny detail some might have missed. If you go east of Ivarstead to Snapleg Cave there is a coven of witches, hags and a hagraven keeping an spriggan in a cage. Release the spriggan and it will kill the hag and hagraven. Follow it out of the cave, it will lead you to Eldergleam Sanctuary and dying shortly before making it back to its home.
I didn't know that. I usally clear the way for the captured spriggan before realising it. Why would this creature die when it get home? That is odd but if that is what the game developers choosed to do then so be it. Personally I would prefer some form of gratitude making this one into a non hostile spriggan living in the sanctuary.
has that always been a thing? bc i’ve played skyrim since day one and only saw this for the first time the other day. but my game glitched, and that spriggan is permanently alive in my game at the end spot
@@peepeepoopoo6053 ya it's always been that way, but it's not really an area that gets treaded on every playthrough, you have to be adventurous and not apt to fast travel
Also worth noting, in addition to just having a hawk as her "Symbol", the Khajiiti interpretation of Kyne, Khynarthi's form is actually that of a great bird, the Island of Khynarthi's Roost being named for being the one place she rested, in the boughs of the great tree on the island, in her first flight around the world.
I would note the nord story just mentions the bird statue, not that there was a forge attached to it from the start. They may have built it there due to the special nature of the bird statue.
@@Thor-Orion I assume the magic but we can only guess. And you could sti'll be right and me wrong, but I feel if there was indeed a forge attached right at the start it's a pretty unique thing to not mention in the early accounts and instead refer to it just as a statue without mentioning it. But who knows.
I believe that The Skyforge and the Selkie Statue are some of the last few remnants of the Wandering Elnofey's early religion. I believe the animals/cryptids depicted by the statues are the earliest totemic depictions of the Aedra, in specific, I think the Skyforge depicts a representation of Kyne while the Selkie is of Dibella. If this theory is correct, when the Wandering Elnofey became Men and moved to Atmora they would have brought the tradition of representing the gods as animal totems with them, which would them be brought back to Tamriel with several of the early Nede groups.
I theorize the Nordic Totems help depict the greater story of the conflict between Shor, the fox and moon, and Auri-el/Magnus, both symbolized with the eagle and sun. In that the all of the events of the game that the Thalmor play a part in are mirrored in the actions that Auri-el took against Shor. Auri-el usurped the power and name of Akatosh, the dragon, similar to the Thalmor who puppet the Empire against the Stormcloaks.
Maybe the Ehlnofey didn't have humanoid shapes during the Dawn era. The Aedra probably could freely choose their shapes like the Daedra Princes can, and the Aedra only choose to appear like their followers in later eras instead of animal shapes. The Reachmen worship the Aspects of Hircine which are very similar to the Atmoran animal totems. This might be a connection from back before the Wandering Ehlnofey split into the Atmorans, Nedes, and Yokudans.
*Thanks for the shout out* The referenced comment: The Skyforge was created during the Dawn War by Hircine and Kyne (The Hawk) to equip Lorkhan and the Wandering Ehlnofey against Auri-El and the Old Ehlnofey. After the death of Lorkhan, there was a schism between the Wandering Ehlnofey with the proto-Nedes going to the Reach with Hircine and the proto-Nords going to Atmora with Kyne. The Skyforge remains behind as a relic of a forgotten alliance. Evidence of the Hircine/Kyne alliance: *The Skyforge of the Hawk (Kyne) and the Underforge of Hircine share an ancient site that the descendents of Old Ehlnofey feared into the Merethic era. *In Khajii tales, Hircine allies himself with Khenarthi (alongside Azurah) to slay the elven god Y'ffer. *Both the Nords and Reachmen consider themselves followers of Shor/Lorkh -- even if they don't acknowledge one another. *Kyne's chosen son is Morihaus, a man-beast. This would be strange as minotaurs have been shown to be followers of Hircine. Maybe Minotaurs have an ancient connection between both Kyne and Hircine?
@@sassmos How is literally is the parentage of minotaurs? Are Hircine and Kyne simply the minotaurs' creators or mentors? Or did Hircine impregnate Shor's widow?
Also in some lore Kyne breathed life into man at the throat of the world, which would make man natives to Skyrim. Edit: also do you have sources? I would love to read up on it.
@@chrishutchins9384 There is plenty to criticize for ESO's MMO elements, but their lore additions are pretty interesting. I would recommend looking up on Elder Scrolls wikis: *Great Spirits of the Reach *Spirits of Amun-dro
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This completely makes sense, especially everything about Whiterun screaming Kyne being their patron goddess. I mean, yes, there is a Shrine to Talos and a crazy priest screaming at the top of his lungs the love that Talos gives to all mankind...but that is the exception in Whiterun, the heart of Skyrim. From the Temple of Kynareth, to the names of the city's districts, to the fact that even Balgruuf himself references Kynareth in a protective prayer to the Dragonborn as he/she takes off on Odahviing's back to Skuldafn...everything in Whiterun is for Kyne/Kynareth. So it even makes sense that the Skyforge was hers, as well. Also, I love the fact that Whiterun and Dragonsreach was based on Edoras from Lord of the Rings. Whiterun Hold feels so very much like Rohan. And the Horselords of the Riddermark would be proud to see that Whiterun's symbol is of their beloved equine friends. Also, in old Pagan societies, the color yellow, which is the color of Whiterun guard uniforms and their shields, was the color of air in elemental magic. Simple perfection. Everything fits together so succinctly.
The "Murdered to death" man himself has returned when the world needed him most P.S Your the youtuber that got me into Elder Scrolls and Skyrim in the last 2 years and thank you so much for that.
You gotta be too young, or just decades behind the praises and/or just one of those people who hate popular things for the fact they’re popular, (I am one of those on a minute level) but the elder scrolls 4 oblivion has had over 2000 hours of my life, on 2 consoles, and Skyrim has around 600 on 1, but good on ya lad for not dismissing it for the simple fact you were late pulling up to the party, enjoy the fuck out of it man, nothing will ever be the same in these games as the first time I promise you that, you’ll be begging to be able to play it for the first time again for the rest of your life🤘😊
Mind blown. That's stupid thing has been bothering me since I first started playing the game, shortly after release. It's nice to know the nords have the same attitude about it that I do. If it scares the elves, good.
Never mind the ability to "power up" by being used as a pyre for great heros, and the connection to Kynareth, I also believe Akatosh (Auriel and patron to the Snow Elves) was the main perpetrator in the shattering of Lorkhan (Shor, Kynareths husband to the Nords).
I feel like the Hircine connection with the Underforge was too easily dismissed. The moon is also a sign of Hircine, and the ancient Underforge seems too connected with werewolf rituals to be a coincidence. For crying out loud, there are ritual blood-chalices built into the ground! The Khajiit and Reachmen version of the Ehlnofey War highlights the possible connection between Lorkhan, Kynn, and Hircine. The Khajiit myth says Hircine and Kyne allied to defeat a corrupted Y'ffer, while the Reachmen believe Hircine took the mantle of Lorkhan after his fall during the Ehlnofey war. This could mean that Hircine was allied with the Wandering Ehlnofey before Lorkhan's defeat, so therfore Hircine could have contributed his power to the forges.
If you look at all the stuff in the underforge it looks like its less worked into the structure and more stuff that could have been placed there at any point. Even the alters that you place the wolf totems on could easily be mistaken for seats
There should be no connection of the Skyforge with Hircine apart from some stupid Companions selling their souls to Daedra and then building a hole in a rock near their Hall. Underforge was not a part of the Skyforge, it was simply a hidey hole build by and for werepeople to skulk in.
@@badluck5647 I'd say yes. Hircine's deal had the companions carve out a stone area beneath the Skyforge. Then Hircine's power manifested in the blood chalice thing appearing in the center. Or the Nords carved it too and Hircine blessed it. The whole darned ritual might be powered by leeching off the Skyforge.
@@kyltredragmire4939 You are going with secret construction site with no body noticing tons of stone rubble being removed from a historical landmark by people who no experience building anything? You think makes more sense than an ancient site having a an ancient compartment?
@@badluck5647 I guess I just don't see why it has to be secret. Who in Whiterun is going to stop the companions? They don't have to explain why the project is being done. Even if it was secret, in the real world huge excavation projects happened in secret all the time. The Vatican, Westminister palace, even Washington DC all have vast networks of tunnels that are basically unknown to the commoner. The youtuber Collin Furze dug a huge tunnel last year and kept it completely secret until his first video on it came out. He's just one British guy. If he can do that, I can't see why elite soldiers can't dig one little stone room.
Honestly this further supports the theory that the Skyforge is Kyne's. There's a long running theory that the Dragonborn is actually a Shezarrine, a mortal reincarnation of Shore. Imo, it makes sense that the Kyne's forge wouldn't hurt someone who's a fragment of her partner.
This is perhaps, in my opinion your best video. You took a lot of information that gets scattered throughout the game and arranged it to make a very entertaining video with a compelling and theory on a subject that originally I wasn’t all that interested in. Great job.
I like some of the interesting forges of Skyrim, and how they try to differ themselves from each other. We have the Sky Forge, and the Lunar Forge. I think it's Riften that had a forge that uses fire salts, and channels the power of Atronachs, sort of, to heat its own steel. Neat elements of world-building in a game with such a big world! 😊
This really was a banger Nate! Enjoyed every nanosecond of it! It also makes me so happy to read through all the comments and see all of the nice things people say to you, you totally deserve it mate!
9:00 It's pretty clear to me that Atmora suffered glaciation. The Companions' induction references the "days of the distant green summers," and "Atmora" itself translates to "elder wood."
@@brianroberts783 And I'm pretty sure the ice age is advancing. The glaciers in on the north side of the Yorgrim mountains are rolling *over* the ruins there. Saarthal and Alftand would have to have been built prior to the ice formations for that to happen!
@@TooLateForIeago The question is, is it a proper ice age in a glaciation cycle, or just the end of a little warm bump. Like the holocene climatic optimum that ended around 500 years ago. Like the end of the medieval warm period (when norsemen settled greenland, which is now pretty much frozen) followed by the little ice age. Or considering he time scale of the lore even something like the younger dryas.
A good video as always nate. My curiosity has me now though. "If" the skyforge is used to represent the hawk goddess kyne. What of the underforge whom has unknown origins also, but is currently being used as the companions site for their blood rituals for the "curse of lycanthropy" but, the circle members describe the area of the underforge as an ancient place attuned with the moon and lord hircine. But, that is what they say in the companions. If we take into account the lore of lorkhan (shor) he is split into two moons masser and secunda. Lunar forge and underforge are both attuned to the moon. Whilst the skyforge is attuned to well the sky.? Idk just always found it very interesting.
Beautiful thought and insight for a blind knight my friend. Also, Kyne is a deity closely linked with the wilds and the natural world, whereas Hircine seems to represent the more beastly and bloodthirsty side of nature, and as a Daedra is almost in direct conflict with Kyne/"her version of wildness." It's possible that the Lunar Forge and the Underforge were both originally tuned to the Bodies of Lorkhan and mirrored the Sky of Kyne (One moon further away, the other opposite/beneath the Skyforge)... but were later usurped by Hircine and/or his followers. Perhaps they sought to desecrate such a shrine to Kyne and her spouse, but incapable of destroying such a relic as the Skyforge they could only pervert the Underforge. Indeed, as the lycanthropy was introduced to the Companions by the witches who were direct followers of Hircine, it's possible that was done on purpose to corrupt the shrine of their rival deity. What better way than to trick the Companions into being forced to follow/adapt to Hircine's vision of the Wilds, right beneath the shadow of the great bird itself. Pleasure to meet and speak with you friend. Be safe and well
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Lorkhan's body became Nirn itself not the moons which explains this in the Monomyth, "But when Trinimac and Auriel tried to destroy the Heart of Lorkhan, it laughed at them and said, "This heart is the heart of the world. For one was made to satisfy the other." So Auriel fastened the thing to an arrow and let it fly long into the see where no aspects of the new world may ever find it."
I know this video isn't part of the "10 tiny details" series, but I just noticed something while walking through Solitude and I'm not sure if you've covered it yet. When walking near the sewer caps, you can actually hear what sounds like water running through pipes. After playing this game for years, it's amazing the things you can still find! (I am playing on the Anniversary Edition)
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21:13 "Perhaps because Kodlak was the first Companion leader in centuries to have been freed from the curse, the Forge accepted him in a way that it hadn't for other recent leaders." - Unlikely, considering he says this line even if you don't free Kodlak's spirit.
@@Sam-lu3zy I'm partial to believe it'd be a mistake. Or it's just their way of simultaneously giving you an idea as to why it has its power, as well as one of multiple rewards for reaching the end companions quest line.
I think it's on Nate here--you can only free Kodlak's spirit *after* he dies. He most likely just had a powerful soul, or perhaps the Skyforge is strengthened by human sacrifice.
I just wanted to say, it's so good to have you back and making content again. Skyrim is my comfort game, as close to a home in a video game as I've ever had. You're helping keep that world alive for me, and I appreciate you for that, a lot. Thank you.
Weird question, but would you consider doing a series of short videos where you read all the books found within the world of The Elder Scrolls? Like an audio-book version for Skyrim, "Skydible", IYKWIM...
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Gopher did a complete reading of all the books of Skyrim. He is an excellent youtuber; Skyrim fan and has a great voice. ua-cam.com/video/FyiZ_vRBjFQ/v-deo.html
This Lore alone would make for an incredible game. Those mods are beyond impressive. They make Skyrim look like a renaissance painting, it’s beautiful.
Couple of Atmora details: It's speculated that Ysgramor brought _dragons._ It's also been speculated that without dragons, Atmora froze not just in ice, but froze in time, because Dragons _are_ Time.
I stumbled upon your channel a few months ago and immediately loved it, but was worried/sad because your upload dates made it seem like you had, or were in the process of, abandoning the channel. I subscribed regardless, in hopes I was wrong. I'm so happy to see you still uploading. You do a fantastic job with these videos, and you deserve every bit of success you've earned, and so much more.
He had a lot of irl issues that got in the way, and made it so he couldn't upload videos. But he's, thankfully, gotten through most of those. I'm glad he was able to come back to this! Missed his in depth analysis of all the random bits of skyrim lol.
@@nulikka6967 Aww, that's unfortunate but I'm really glad he's been able to make progress on those issues and start coming back to UA-cam. Hopefully everything continues going well for him going forward!
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22:07 to 22:22 Eorlund isn't the only one, if the Dovahkiin uses the Skyforge to craft any of the steel weapons Eorlund sells as Skyforge steel version (this excludes a few), they will be Skyforge steel versions. It's a pretty nice touch.
Funny, in czech language werewolf is vlkodlak, leader of companions is Kodlak. Of course in most of the slavic languages is it also similar, but in czech is it the closest word. It comes from ancient slavic form vъlkodlakъ (wolf skin) Coincidence? I don't think so :D
Yeah its Vukodlak in Croatian as well. Vuk - wolf dlak - hair/fur. Pretty sure Farkas and Vilkas also mean wolf in some other language. Edit: i checked it out, Farkas is wolf in Hungarian and Vilkas is wolf in lithuanian
Vilkas and Farkas are Lithuanian and Hungarian respectively for 'wolf'. Fun little tidbit. Basically, every member of the Circle is somehow referencing the fact that they're werewolves.
Supposedly a mysterious winter overtook Atmora. Freezing the land and causing the nords to migrate south to Skyrim. Now that is a mystery that needs to be solved. What caused Atmora to freeze?
I mean... ice ages aren't a huge mystery unless we have a reason to believe it came about because of some mythic event. That would for sure be influenced by fimbulwinter, which in turn probably was inspired in real life from the small ice age during the migration period.
Whatever it was seems to have affected more than atmora too. Skyrim seems to be getting colder over time too from it's early descriptions as well as the golden coast used to be a jungle in cyrodil.
I've played hundreds of hours of Skyrim since its release and only in this video did I realize, the Companions's mead hall was built out of their overturned ship. It's amazing how many new nuggets of lore are still out there to be found.
Same here. I've never played any of the previous elder scrolls games, so a lot of the lore is lost on me. By reading the books in skyrim (and skyrim only) Ive pieced together, and understand the basics, like the different territories, races, and some events, both current and historical. But the companion's mead hall is one (of many I'm sure) that I was completely unaware of. And it was hiding in plain sight too, lol.
something that always nagged at me was the fact that the Circle use the Underforge to gift lycanthropy, instead of doing it via any other means. so i think the Underforge has some connection to Hircine.
@@SebasTian58323 My theory is this: Kyne suddenly detached her essence from the forge. The Companions needed the Skyforge to keep being the skyforge. So since they've been Turing into Warewolfs they turned to Hircine for his blessing instead. Hence the Underforge used for the initiation ritual. and keeping the ritual a secret so ppl from Whiterun dont end up attacking the Companions.
Others have mentioned that Kajit beliefs mention an alliance between Hircine and Kyne and possibly also Lorkhan to defeat a corrupted… something with a name that starts with a Y, sorry. I think the Skyforge runs on a mix of Aedric and Daedric magic.
No wonder the snow elves were afraid of the Forge. The Forge was Kyne's side meaning it was wanderer elnohfey territory making the old elnohfey descendants (elves) fear it now
@@kingofstrangeness7014 To summarize - The Ehlnofey were at the bottom of the totem pole of the gods (to the point that names of individual Ehlnofey are no longer known except to Druids or other worshippers of local nature spirits) that created Nirn (the Aedra, or ancestors), and became temporary, having to either merge with the world to survive or live on through their children. The Wandering Ehlnofey are the ancestors of men and giants, called such because they had to *wander* the surface of Nirn before finding Aldmeris, home of the Old Ehlnofey, ancestors of elves and Khajiit (that's another story, but tl;dr Wood Elves are more closely related to Khajiit than they are to the High Elves or any other elven races). The Wandering Ehlnofey thought that they would be welcomed back with open arms by their brethren, as the races had still not split that much at this point. For whatever reason, whether because the Old Ehlnofey blamed Shor, High King of the Wandering Ehlnofey, for them becoming temporary, or because the Wandering Ehlnofey had forgotten many customs and looked disgusting, the Old Ehlnofey rejected them from Aldmeris. This started a war that goes by many names, my favorite of which is the War of Manifest Metaphors. Many of the lands which once existed on Nirn sunk during this war. The elven death god Xarxes was likely adopted as the mannish death god Orkey during this time. The end stages of this war resulted in the betrayal of Shor by the elven gods and the removal of His Heart, along with Kyne gathering the Wandering Ehlnofey to the Throat of the World in order to stabilize their forms. Entering fan speculation - the mannish gods and the elven gods would have both had places of power in this terrible war, with the Skyforge and the Lunar Forge being places of power for the mannish gods. The Snow Elves feared the Skyforge because it was a place of power for enemy gods, specifically Kyne, a terrible wind that had likely destroyed many of their ancestors. I hope that clears it up, at least somewhat. Ask as many questions as you like, if it didn't clear it up. Much of this lore comes from either "The Monomyth" or "The Anuad."
Excellent video, very comprehensive. The only point I might add is that if the skyforge and lunar forge really are from the merethic era, then the nearby throat of the world must surely also relate to them.
In the description, the captured snow elves say the forge is from before the elves. And the elves refused to be in the valley that is now Whiterun due to their fear of the Skyforge. Therefore, pre-Merithic era.
The theory I've always had is that you have the Lunar Forge which crafts weapons that gain abilities under a full moon, and then you have the Skyforge (which might represent the sun) that creates a stronger steel, and although I haven't been able to prove it, I feel like Skyforge weapons accept and enhance burning enchantments (targets burn/targets on fire take more damage), and Lunar weapons seem to enhance Absorb Health/Stamina/Magica enchantments, as well as give a few more seconds to use soul trap. What's more, we have within this world werewolves created by Hircine,, and vampires by Molag Bal. Vampires are particularly weak to fire and sunlight, and werewolves are weak to draining poisons/spells. Another interesting bit of lore is that about every 1,000 years, Hircine returns to the "earth" so to speak to have a massive hunt, where both people and animals become the prey. Now, if I were a rival of Hircine's, I may want to balance the playing field because during those hunts, his followers are very powerful in their werewolf form, and their prey would barely stand a chance fighting against them. Also if I were a rival Daedric prince, I probably wouldn't be happy if I saw another prince obtaining and holding onto more power and glory than I have, and therefore I might provide the people with a means of balancing the odds. Therefore Vampires who frequent the night would be working the Lunar Forge to make weapons against werewolves, and during the day werewolves would be making weapons against the vampires.
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Me over here: the dwarves are awfully quiet about this forge and also Zenithar...he's always mention around Kyne. And that a lot of merchants,miners,blacksmith and etc associates with him. Plus, He's kind of the blacksmith of the Aedra.
started playing this game at 17 or so.... im 28 finally getting back into it. these videos make me want to do nothing but go home and explore skyrim for hours. Keep it up man.
Nate, whether you read this or not hearing your voice back to skyrim not only fills the child inside me again to learn but it made me realize the time that went by. for what it’s worth i will watch your channel till you publicly hang it up or unfortunate events occur. you’ve been apart of my life for so long please never leave.
I loved the video and made lot of sense. I also loved the fact that you didn’t say “should I make a 1hr video about it?”. You just said “I am doing it and expect for it.” Like a real man!
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Interesting that Mer and Men both seems to worship the same Gods now. At least the High Elves do, hence the religious conflict in Skyrim. Given the hints that the Dark Elves tend to worship Diedra. I would say that indicates the High Elves and Dark Elves probably split from each other after the defeat of the ancestors of the Mer. With the High Elves adopting the Gods of the victors, and the Dark Elves remaining true to the Old Gods. Interesting to speculate. Thank you so much for another great thoughtful and thought provoking production!
Actually I think that's canon. The Dark Elves look the way they do because of Daedric tampering (IIRC it was a punishment for crossing Azura) and were originally High Elves.
I was sad when Euroland Greymane died in my play though. Came for smithing training one day and he was gone. Warmaiden lady Adrianne Avenicci confirmed it.
@@PlayerFORgamev does he only die after you lift the curse? He did dedicate a good portion of his life to that... worried real hard about where he'd go when he'd die. Maybe he finally was just at peace, and let go.
Not enough people talk about how absolutely fucking metal Ysgramor's war against the snow elves was. He took 500 warriors, and won a war. 500. That's the population of a high school. Ysgramor is basically Leonidas from _300_ ...except he actually wins.
@@ComeNalgi Now I think on it, only dragons and dragonborns were able to shout at that time. Only much later during the Dragon War, Paarthurnax teached the nords how to shout.
Although his gear is not that impressive. I kept his axe AND shield. Eh, I CRAFT better weapons and armor with better enchants. I ended up just sticking them up on my wall for display. Those as well as all the Daedric artifacts I have collected and discarded as obsolete after time passes.
A lot of the time, it feels like the developers of these games didn't actually come up with an answer for any of these questions. Like they just put in this cool feature, allowed there to be a mystery to it, and just sat back and watched while the fandom speculated for years about it 😅
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Nate, that was a great video! The Lunar Forge may need to be used during a full-moon to get the enchantment applied to the weapons. I'll have to test the theory.
I was always bummed that they didn't do something with that. I think it would have been so awesome to have each forge add a different enhancement specific to either weapon or traits. The Lunar Forge could add a magic ability only active during a full moon and even more magical during a blood moon. Ahhh, could've been real cool.
@@jaredrussell4064 You dare bring logic into the UA-cam comments section? Seriously though, the streams are too small, and looking at the erosion, you can see where the water reaches to It could have been different 5000 years ago when they were doing it, but if the water was high enough for the ship to sail on it, the skyforge would not have been on a plain, it would've been on an island in the middle of a massive lake
@@TheSpiritsLease Pfft, magic? In Skyrim? No way lol While I guess technically, that would be possible, it also would've been something that would've been mentioned SOMEWHERE that his ship is magical
@An Insane Moose. Wait, I just read the volume of Songs of the Return. They didn't sail. It says, "Southwards they went, by beast and by foot." Then later it says that they built the hall out of their ship.
Nate, for maybe another Unique Items video you should cover the Diadem of the Savant circlet, I never knew it existed until now, you can find it at the wood chopping block outside Froki's shack, it just a standard circlet but the enchantment is as far as I know unique with 'Spells in all schools of magic cost less magicka to cast.'
Thats actually obtained from a place in the labyrinthian after a puzzle and a fight with a daedra who's carrying it but i have no idea lorewise how or why it exists there
While it is supposed to be unique, you can get two of them, one in the end of Shalidor's Maze, and one outside of Froki's shack. The one outside of Froki's shack is supposed to be some other kind of diadem, but an error in the game's code causes the Diadem of the Savant to appear instead.
Skyforge is a very interesting topic and I definitely would like to hear more about it. On a side note, I am really enjoying your longer more in-depth videos.
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I have to say that this is one of the best Skyrim review channels I have seen, loved your videos! Always something to learn about Skyrim!Great to see that Skyrim community is still going strong even after all these years :)
Absolutely spot-on piece of detective work. The entire story hangs together *very* well. I have to wonder if there's any connection to the Dwemer and their Aetherium forge.
What I'm saying, though, is that, for whatever reason, all of the *special* forges of which we know are on or under Skyrim. What if that is because of some inherent property of the land itself, no matter who harnessed it?
I'm like, 99% sure you can craft skyforged steel and lunar equipment at their respective forges. I remember thinking I was some sort of super detective when I figured out the lunar lore. This was... a decade ago? I'll have to dig out the 360 and have a look, see if I can find what I'm talking about. Idk of I even still have the save
I wonder if there might be some link between the Skyforge and the Atromach Forge. I mean, the Skyforge seems to be associated with Aetherius, both because of the Kyne thing and the connection to the sky, which is often referenced alongside Aetherius. And the Atronach Forge is obviously connected to Oblivion, which is sort of the opposite of Aetherius. Just food for thought
24:29 "Steel Gear" **Shows Iron Mace** Also the Lunar enchantment does NOT drain health, the enchantment description explains that it BURNS targets. I think the "Vampire-like" thing from the book was a part of the enchantment that Bethesda intended to add, but having a Drain Health enchantment available that early to the player would've been unbalanced, so we got a modified Fire damage enchantment.
There is also the "X of the Vampire" category of Drain Health enchantments that I've only seen accessible through developer console commands... I wonder if these are accessible in the normal game eventually.
@@ModdingNewbie You mean the Standard Drain Health Enchant? Because any weapon with a Drain Health enchantment that you find (aside from the Blade of Woe) will be labeled "Weapon of the Vampire"
Nate, your videos are like crack to me. Every time I play Skyrim, I always have you in mind. You always add more to the game, and I always binge watch your material for both Skyrim and Fallout. Thank you.
Honestly, the Companions is one of my favorite guilds / quest lines in all of Skyrim. The first time I played through, I was so pissed off and sad at the same with what happened to Kodlak, but the ending turned it around. Kodlak is a badass.
My thoughts on the lunar forge was that it was a gift from Hircine that grant his followers "healing" while not in wolf form after all when you're a werewolf and eat a heart, you get regeneration so do the weapons grant regeneration when using them
My grandson who is only just old enough to play Skyrim is experiencing all this for the first time. I shall suggest he watches your videos to get some insight. He loves 'story' led video games and was quite shocked at the difference between Skyrim and some other games at the depth of it.
I think there is some Phoenix mythology playing a part with the Skyforge being a spot for funeral spyres. Legendary heroes rising again one day in the greatest need?
@@manz7860 indeed. While I think mods for personal play are fine, it only effects your gameplay, have at it. It's the fkrs that do it online that made me stop doing online gaming.
I have enjoyed Skyrim for a long time, and after completing the main storyline, and numerous side quests, I leave the game for a time. Then, I get the urge to begin again, and choose something different, like the race, or character, and start a new game again. It is amazing how different things can turn out. I too, had known about this forge, but never had I put so many clues together like Nate has. What a fascinating video, and I thank you, Nate, for doing it. Knowing some backgrounds on the adventures, further allows me to feel as though I am right there, inside the game. Wow, so well made by Bethesda, and I am glad to know there are others who enjoy it like I do, but I am happy there are those who delve in to it further, helping those like me understand more, making for a better experience.
There are so many other subtle and 'prophetic' references to the skyforge then just the hawk. I saw the hawk connection ages ago and knew it was Kynareth for more than multiple reasons that this video missed. But also, consider Kynareth's temple and the districts: 'Sky District' and 'Cloud District'. Consider that it was Kynareth that gave man the thu'um, the voice of the dragon. And in Whiterun legend, Numinex was held as Olaf One-Eye's 'pet' in the area known as 'dragonsreach'. The heart of Skyrim is the domain of Kynareth - and I thought it was brilliant how the first dragon decided to target Kynareth's domain to unlock the dragonborne's thu'um and to reveal dragonborne's idenitty first in Kynareth's domain (Whiterun). It only makes sense that it is Kynareth's skyforge to also assist the dragonborne early on in the game, as she is the one who created the dragonborne. Not to mention that when the dragonborne enters Whiterun after their identity is revealed, the greyboards shout to summon the dragonborne to the 'throat of the world'.
Just reread my comment. The tone sounded a little rude. That was not my intention. Apologies if it came across that way. Thought it was a fantastic video! So glad that the underforge and lunar forge were mentioned in honour of Kynareth's partner. Is there any chance that the lunar forge used to be Hircine's forge, built by some of the companions (who would operate outside of Whiterune) later assimilated into white run after the underforge was built? And has anyone tried using the lunar forge as werewolf (maybe vampire) to create lunar materials?
@@jakemelliot The moons have always been associated to Lorkhan's sundered body parts, so I don't see the Hircine connection with the Lunar forge. Also the Companions took up the Pact with Hircine just a couple hundred years ago where as the structure around the Lunar forge looks like it was built in Merethic era.
@@SorcererKing94 I am aware of Lorkhan's background - but I still see a strong connection. I am aware of the pact, but the connection was more again to Kyraneth as 'Mother of Men and beasts' in that aspect of her ability to give life and 'kiss at the end' of life while Hircine was the combining of the two and emodying the hunt. One kiss leads to sovngarde, (but her 'kiss' can also send people to Hircine's eternal hunting grounds). So while she is the widow of Lorkhan, Hircine and herself have a very good lunar connections to Lorkhan. So the skyforge, underforge and lunar forge make sense as both deities are linked to Lorkhan and the cycles of the wilderness, Kyraneth preserving the life of the wild, Hircine destroying the life of the wild but having.
@@jakemelliot I see your point, but it just comes across as Kyne and Hircine being rivals, but at the same time being inheritor(Kyne as she took after Shor as chief of a pantheon) and usurper(Hircine as he "stole" the mantle of Lorkhan's domain) of Lorkhan's legacy.
The statue looks more like an Eagle than a Hawk to many people, including me. The Eagle is a representation of Auri-el, the older version of Auriel/Akatosh. AND Daedra were not distinct from Aedra back in ancient times. So im pretty sure ancient Auri-el and Hircine worshippers wouldnt be in conflict with each other.
I always hated how I was forced to turn in to a werewolf, it not only messes with my character's head-cannon, it also effects my playstyle. I generally like playing as a wholesome priesty boy that dabbles in healing spells, not turn in to a blood-thirsty beast, also, the Silver Hand would of been a cool faction to join and having a silver weapon would be drippy AF.
@@MrAlphaBeck Nice try but 'A' and 'An' is based on pronunciation, not context. For example: "A event" vs "An event" insinuating I could be referring to one of many events vs a specific event among many, both are synonymous and they are just both different flavours referring to the same context.
The amount of times I come back to Skyrim, reach that part of the quest and realise, oh poop, I forgot the no werewolf mod, 1 moment my dear companions *warps reality*
As usual, i wish i could like this video more than once. This deserves something special. Welcome back from your Hiatus. Weve been patiently waiting for this video to drop. You never disappoint, my friend.
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@@Rip_LilTimmy no offense but those comments are annoying asf and you’re not even first ;-;
Hey Nate is there a connection to the lunar forge and sky forge??? It's so close to Whiterun
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11 years later and here I am, still learning about Skyrim. No matter how many hours I have put into this game, Nate never fails to give you a new tale in the world of the elder scrolls!
I feel like imma be in the retirement home at 80 and then see a new Nate video and that he discovered a new Skyrim mystery
You're not the only one.
ditto! =D
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Feels good to be back :)
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Most thorough and captivating Skyrim that exists. Personal opinion,… but I’m right..
Love to have a channel I can always immediately watch the videos of when they pop up.
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Here's a tiny detail some might have missed. If you go east of Ivarstead to Snapleg Cave there is a coven of witches, hags and a hagraven keeping an spriggan in a cage. Release the spriggan and it will kill the hag and hagraven. Follow it out of the cave, it will lead you to Eldergleam Sanctuary and dying shortly before making it back to its home.
I didn't know that. I usally clear the way for the captured spriggan before realising it. Why would this creature die when it get home? That is odd but if that is what the game developers choosed to do then so be it. Personally I would prefer some form of gratitude making this one into a non hostile spriggan living in the sanctuary.
has that always been a thing? bc i’ve played skyrim since day one and only saw this for the first time the other day. but my game glitched, and that spriggan is permanently alive in my game at the end spot
sadly i killed everything on the way
@@peepeepoopoo6053 ya it's always been that way, but it's not really an area that gets treaded on every playthrough, you have to be adventurous and not apt to fast travel
@@michaelpettersson4919 if you escort the guy from whiterun, you get a dapling not sap and the spriggans dont become hostile.
Also worth noting, in addition to just having a hawk as her "Symbol", the Khajiiti interpretation of Kyne, Khynarthi's form is actually that of a great bird, the Island of Khynarthi's Roost being named for being the one place she rested, in the boughs of the great tree on the island, in her first flight around the world.
I would note the nord story just mentions the bird statue, not that there was a forge attached to it from the start. They may have built it there due to the special nature of the bird statue.
Yep, I was thinking this exact thing. It never once says a forge is there, just the statue. Large detail to overlook.
Then where did the flaming eyes come from?
@@Thor-Orion .....magic, obviously.
@@Thor-Orion I assume the magic but we can only guess. And you could sti'll be right and me wrong, but I feel if there was indeed a forge attached right at the start it's a pretty unique thing to not mention in the early accounts and instead refer to it just as a statue without mentioning it. But who knows.
So would the statue be powering the forge somehow?
I believe that The Skyforge and the Selkie Statue are some of the last few remnants of the Wandering Elnofey's early religion. I believe the animals/cryptids depicted by the statues are the earliest totemic depictions of the Aedra, in specific, I think the Skyforge depicts a representation of Kyne while the Selkie is of Dibella.
If this theory is correct, when the Wandering Elnofey became Men and moved to Atmora they would have brought the tradition of representing the gods as animal totems with them, which would them be brought back to Tamriel with several of the early Nede groups.
I theorize the Nordic Totems help depict the greater story of the conflict between Shor, the fox and moon, and Auri-el/Magnus, both symbolized with the eagle and sun. In that the all of the events of the game that the Thalmor play a part in are mirrored in the actions that Auri-el took against Shor. Auri-el usurped the power and name of Akatosh, the dragon, similar to the Thalmor who puppet the Empire against the Stormcloaks.
I don’t remember a selkie statue in skyrim. Is my memory failing me ?
@@raph3699 its from Oblivion. Its another of the statues from before history, and it depicts a creature that isnt found anywhere on known Nirn.
@@Im-Not-a-Dog alright. Thanks for your insight.
Maybe the Ehlnofey didn't have humanoid shapes during the Dawn era. The Aedra probably could freely choose their shapes like the Daedra Princes can, and the Aedra only choose to appear like their followers in later eras instead of animal shapes.
The Reachmen worship the Aspects of Hircine which are very similar to the Atmoran animal totems. This might be a connection from back before the Wandering Ehlnofey split into the Atmorans, Nedes, and Yokudans.
*Thanks for the shout out*
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The Skyforge was created during the Dawn War by Hircine and Kyne (The Hawk) to equip Lorkhan and the Wandering Ehlnofey against Auri-El and the Old Ehlnofey.
After the death of Lorkhan, there was a schism between the Wandering Ehlnofey with the proto-Nedes going to the Reach with Hircine and the proto-Nords going to Atmora with Kyne. The Skyforge remains behind as a relic of a forgotten alliance.
Evidence of the Hircine/Kyne alliance:
*The Skyforge of the Hawk (Kyne) and the Underforge of Hircine share an ancient site that the descendents of Old Ehlnofey feared into the Merethic era.
*In Khajii tales, Hircine allies himself with Khenarthi (alongside Azurah) to slay the elven god Y'ffer.
*Both the Nords and Reachmen consider themselves followers of Shor/Lorkh -- even if they don't acknowledge one another.
*Kyne's chosen son is Morihaus, a man-beast. This would be strange as minotaurs have been shown to be followers of Hircine. Maybe Minotaurs have an ancient connection between both Kyne and Hircine?
Minotaurs, sons of Kyne, follow Hircine... Oh yeah, they are literally children of Kyne and Hircine
@@sassmos How is literally is the parentage of minotaurs? Are Hircine and Kyne simply the minotaurs' creators or mentors? Or did Hircine impregnate Shor's widow?
Also in some lore Kyne breathed life into man at the throat of the world, which would make man natives to Skyrim. Edit: also do you have sources? I would love to read up on it.
@@chrishutchins9384 There is plenty to criticize for ESO's MMO elements, but their lore additions are pretty interesting. I would recommend looking up on Elder Scrolls wikis:
*Great Spirits of the Reach
*Spirits of Amun-dro
@@badluck5647 Thanks, will do
Your videos are like my bedtime stories. I rewatch old ones almost every night before bed. They relax me and make me happy. Thank you for all you do!
i do the same thing. epic nate and fudge muppet
I listen him to fall asleep. I can’t sleep otherwise XD
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This is a great idea. I might start doing this!
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This completely makes sense, especially everything about Whiterun screaming Kyne being their patron goddess. I mean, yes, there is a Shrine to Talos and a crazy priest screaming at the top of his lungs the love that Talos gives to all mankind...but that is the exception in Whiterun, the heart of Skyrim. From the Temple of Kynareth, to the names of the city's districts, to the fact that even Balgruuf himself references Kynareth in a protective prayer to the Dragonborn as he/she takes off on Odahviing's back to Skuldafn...everything in Whiterun is for Kyne/Kynareth. So it even makes sense that the Skyforge was hers, as well.
Also, I love the fact that Whiterun and Dragonsreach was based on Edoras from Lord of the Rings. Whiterun Hold feels so very much like Rohan. And the Horselords of the Riddermark would be proud to see that Whiterun's symbol is of their beloved equine friends. Also, in old Pagan societies, the color yellow, which is the color of Whiterun guard uniforms and their shields, was the color of air in elemental magic.
Simple perfection. Everything fits together so succinctly.
I'm looking forward to the full hour video of Kyne and the other gods. I've been playing this game for 10 years and I still learn something new
Same. It’s so crazy how a 10+ year old game still has so much content left to offer
@@car9472 not really content, but hidden story. pretty sure every quest has been completed already.
The "Murdered to death" man himself has returned when the world needed him most
P.S Your the youtuber that got me into Elder Scrolls and Skyrim in the last 2 years and thank you so much for that.
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@@rps9339 loool true 😂
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You gotta be too young, or just decades behind the praises and/or just one of those people who hate popular things for the fact they’re popular, (I am one of those on a minute level) but the elder scrolls 4 oblivion has had over 2000 hours of my life, on 2 consoles, and Skyrim has around 600 on 1, but good on ya lad for not dismissing it for the simple fact you were late pulling up to the party, enjoy the fuck out of it man, nothing will ever be the same in these games as the first time I promise you that, you’ll be begging to be able to play it for the first time again for the rest of your life🤘😊
You can get the Lunar forge enchantment by disenchanting a lunar forge weapon. This enchantment can be applied like any other enchantment afterwards.
Also, it’s not Absorb Health. It’s Fire Damage.
I wonder if that’s an oversight, for it seems that shouldn’t be.
Yeah my boy is getting lazy
@@DeoSiege the book does say that it has an absorb health effect though. That's an oversight on the developer's part.
@@classydays43 some boi got lazy*
Another well-forged video by the blacksmith known as Nate! Not even skyrforge steel can beat this one!
This video is like Skyforge Ebony.
You got a heart from Nate. Congrats
Nate does get to the cloud district often unlike us
Wait. You can get skyforge ebony? When in oblivion did this happen
A wordsmith with a superb voice.
My man's disappear for months at a time to 'consult the archives ' and always comes back with bangers. Well done.
Mind blown.
That's stupid thing has been bothering me since I first started playing the game, shortly after release.
It's nice to know the nords have the same attitude about it that I do. If it scares the elves, good.
Never mind the ability to "power up" by being used as a pyre for great heros, and the connection to Kynareth, I also believe Akatosh (Auriel and patron to the Snow Elves) was the main perpetrator in the shattering of Lorkhan (Shor, Kynareths husband to the Nords).
Never underestimate the depths of Elder Scrolls lore. A-MA-ZING piece of detective work.
A good amount of the depth seems to be inspired by The Silmarillion. Of course they are distinct. A good read if you find this interesting.
I feel like the Hircine connection with the Underforge was too easily dismissed.
The moon is also a sign of Hircine, and the ancient Underforge seems too connected with werewolf rituals to be a coincidence. For crying out loud, there are ritual blood-chalices built into the ground!
The Khajiit and Reachmen version of the Ehlnofey War highlights the possible connection between Lorkhan, Kynn, and Hircine. The Khajiit myth says Hircine and Kyne allied to defeat a corrupted Y'ffer, while the Reachmen believe Hircine took the mantle of Lorkhan after his fall during the Ehlnofey war. This could mean that Hircine was allied with the Wandering Ehlnofey before Lorkhan's defeat, so therfore Hircine could have contributed his power to the forges.
If you look at all the stuff in the underforge it looks like its less worked into the structure and more stuff that could have been placed there at any point. Even the alters that you place the wolf totems on could easily be mistaken for seats
There should be no connection of the Skyforge with Hircine apart from some stupid Companions selling their souls to Daedra and then building a hole in a rock near their Hall. Underforge was not a part of the Skyforge, it was simply a hidey hole build by and for werepeople to skulk in.
@@badluck5647 I'd say yes. Hircine's deal had the companions carve out a stone area beneath the Skyforge. Then Hircine's power manifested in the blood chalice thing appearing in the center. Or the Nords carved it too and Hircine blessed it. The whole darned ritual might be powered by leeching off the Skyforge.
@@kyltredragmire4939 You are going with secret construction site with no body noticing tons of stone rubble being removed from a historical landmark by people who no experience building anything? You think makes more sense than an ancient site having a an ancient compartment?
@@badluck5647 I guess I just don't see why it has to be secret. Who in Whiterun is going to stop the companions? They don't have to explain why the project is being done.
Even if it was secret, in the real world huge excavation projects happened in secret all the time. The Vatican, Westminister palace, even Washington DC all have vast networks of tunnels that are basically unknown to the commoner.
The youtuber Collin Furze dug a huge tunnel last year and kept it completely secret until his first video on it came out. He's just one British guy. If he can do that, I can't see why elite soldiers can't dig one little stone room.
It's the hottest forge, and the only forge that won't hurt you if you jump into it. 10/10 game design.
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Honestly this further supports the theory that the Skyforge is Kyne's. There's a long running theory that the Dragonborn is actually a Shezarrine, a mortal reincarnation of Shore. Imo, it makes sense that the Kyne's forge wouldn't hurt someone who's a fragment of her partner.
Of all the things to gripe about
I mean, I feel like that's on flavor for a primal magic forge. Means you can work with hotter metal without getting hurt
Aetherium Forge - "Am I a joke to you?"
This is perhaps, in my opinion your best video. You took a lot of information that gets scattered throughout the game and arranged it to make a very entertaining video with a compelling and theory on a subject that originally I wasn’t all that interested in. Great job.
And when Skyrim fans needed him the most, he returned. THE. LEGEND. IS. BACK!
He was gone for 2 weeks
@@Simonris worst 2 weeks of my life
@@Naigleb Indeed
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Skyforge in lore: 💪
Skyforge in game: 👶
Go finish the Companions storyline, then tab through its menus.
@@JoshSweetvale😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😮😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😮😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😮😮😅😅😅😮😅😅😮😅😅😮😮😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😮😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😮😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😮😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😮😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😮😅😅😅😮😮😮😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😮😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😮😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😮😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😮😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😮😮😮😅😮😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😮😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😮😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😮😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😮😮😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😮😅😮😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😮😅😮😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😊😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😮😅😮😅😅😮😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😮😅😮😮😅😮😅😮😅😮😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😮😮😅😅😅😅😅😮😮😅😮😅😮😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😮😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😮😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😮😮😅😅😅😮😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😮😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
I have an iron dagger sharper than any skyforged dagger made in game 😅
EXACTLY…they’re famous garbage
@@JoshSweetvaleOMG you’re right! More bottom tier garbage! 😂
I like some of the interesting forges of Skyrim, and how they try to differ themselves from each other. We have the Sky Forge, and the Lunar Forge. I think it's Riften that had a forge that uses fire salts, and channels the power of Atronachs, sort of, to heat its own steel. Neat elements of world-building in a game with such a big world! 😊
ESO also added the Bloodroot Forge on the Skyrim-Hammerfell border.
also a callback or confirmation to this line 5:12
Also that super funky Dwemer joint that was fueled by *souls* or something. That was a good one.
This really was a banger Nate! Enjoyed every nanosecond of it!
It also makes me so happy to read through all the comments and see all of the nice things people say to you, you totally deserve it mate!
@TheEpicNate315-_- YOO EPICNATE HAS BECOME SUCH A GREAT UA-camR, HE EVEN GOT THE BOTS COMING! LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO
9:00 It's pretty clear to me that Atmora suffered glaciation. The Companions' induction references the "days of the distant green summers," and "Atmora" itself translates to "elder wood."
It's also mentioned in several in game sources that Atmora is frozen, and there are references to the Nords leaving because of advancing ice.
@@brianroberts783 And I'm pretty sure the ice age is advancing. The glaciers in on the north side of the Yorgrim mountains are rolling *over* the ruins there. Saarthal and Alftand would have to have been built prior to the ice formations for that to happen!
@@TooLateForIeago The question is, is it a proper ice age in a glaciation cycle, or just the end of a little warm bump.
Like the holocene climatic optimum that ended around 500 years ago. Like the end of the medieval warm period (when norsemen settled greenland, which is now pretty much frozen) followed by the little ice age. Or considering he time scale of the lore even something like the younger dryas.
A good video as always nate. My curiosity has me now though. "If" the skyforge is used to represent the hawk goddess kyne. What of the underforge whom has unknown origins also, but is currently being used as the companions site for their blood rituals for the "curse of lycanthropy" but, the circle members describe the area of the underforge as an ancient place attuned with the moon and lord hircine. But, that is what they say in the companions. If we take into account the lore of lorkhan (shor) he is split into two moons masser and secunda. Lunar forge and underforge are both attuned to the moon. Whilst the skyforge is attuned to well the sky.? Idk just always found it very interesting.
Beautiful thought and insight for a blind knight my friend. Also, Kyne is a deity closely linked with the wilds and the natural world, whereas Hircine seems to represent the more beastly and bloodthirsty side of nature, and as a Daedra is almost in direct conflict with Kyne/"her version of wildness." It's possible that the Lunar Forge and the Underforge were both originally tuned to the Bodies of Lorkhan and mirrored the Sky of Kyne (One moon further away, the other opposite/beneath the Skyforge)... but were later usurped by Hircine and/or his followers.
Perhaps they sought to desecrate such a shrine to Kyne and her spouse, but incapable of destroying such a relic as the Skyforge they could only pervert the Underforge. Indeed, as the lycanthropy was introduced to the Companions by the witches who were direct followers of Hircine, it's possible that was done on purpose to corrupt the shrine of their rival deity. What better way than to trick the Companions into being forced to follow/adapt to Hircine's vision of the Wilds, right beneath the shadow of the great bird itself.
Pleasure to meet and speak with you friend. Be safe and well
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book of the Bible you chose yourself in your lifetime. Combining the personal reading with doing the inner work Jesus Christ taught are key. Start with forgiveness, parents are easiest, they’ve loved you. It all starts in the heart. Genuinely open up. Jesus Christ is the way truth and life. Break down before him and ask for forgiveness. Please trust me,
@@jamesmayle3787 bro shut up
Lorkhan's body became Nirn itself not the moons which explains this in the Monomyth, "But when Trinimac and Auriel tried to destroy the Heart of Lorkhan, it laughed at them and said, "This heart is the heart of the world. For one was made to satisfy the other." So Auriel fastened the thing to an arrow and let it fly long into the see where no aspects of the new world may ever find it."
I know this video isn't part of the "10 tiny details" series, but I just noticed something while walking through Solitude and I'm not sure if you've covered it yet. When walking near the sewer caps, you can actually hear what sounds like water running through pipes. After playing this game for years, it's amazing the things you can still find! (I am playing on the Anniversary Edition)
Saints and Seducers CC content... nuff said
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Really appreciate the slower narration, Nate. I feel like you’re really living in the topic and taking your time with it. Thank you.
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book of the Bible you chose yourself in your lifetime. Combining the personal reading with doing the inner work Jesus Christ taught are key. Start with forgiveness, parents are easiest, they’ve loved you. It all starts in the heart. Genuinely open up. Jesus Christ is the way truth and life. Break down before him and ask for forgiveness. Please trust me,
21:13 "Perhaps because Kodlak was the first Companion leader in centuries to have been freed from the curse, the Forge accepted him in a way that it hadn't for other recent leaders." - Unlikely, considering he says this line even if you don't free Kodlak's spirit.
thats bethesda though, i think thats a dialogue mistake by them
@@Sam-lu3zy I'm partial to believe it'd be a mistake. Or it's just their way of simultaneously giving you an idea as to why it has its power, as well as one of multiple rewards for reaching the end companions quest line.
I think it's on Nate here--you can only free Kodlak's spirit *after* he dies. He most likely just had a powerful soul, or perhaps the Skyforge is strengthened by human sacrifice.
@@spinosaurusdex I would say that one is on his writers to be fair
Mouth and belly
I just wanted to say, it's so good to have you back and making content again.
Skyrim is my comfort game, as close to a home in a video game as I've ever had. You're helping keep that world alive for me, and I appreciate you for that, a lot. Thank you.
Weird question, but would you consider doing a series of short videos where you read all the books found within the world of The Elder Scrolls? Like an audio-book version for Skyrim, "Skydible", IYKWIM...
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book of the Bible you chose yourself in your lifetime. Combining the personal reading with doing the inner work Jesus Christ taught are key. Start with forgiveness, parents are easiest, they’ve loved you. It all starts in the heart. Genuinely open up. Jesus Christ is the way truth and life. Break down before him and ask for forgiveness. Please trust me,
Skydible sounds awesome
@@jamesmayle3787
Your comment has no place here. Stop trying to force your beliefs onto others.
Gopher did a complete reading of all the books of Skyrim. He is an excellent youtuber; Skyrim fan and has a great voice. ua-cam.com/video/FyiZ_vRBjFQ/v-deo.html
@@Joe_Joe_The_HvacMan Thank you for the info! I will definitely check him out
This Lore alone would make for an incredible game.
Those mods are beyond impressive. They make Skyrim look like a renaissance painting, it’s beautiful.
Couple of Atmora details:
It's speculated that Ysgramor brought _dragons._
It's also been speculated that without dragons, Atmora froze not just in ice, but froze in time, because Dragons _are_ Time.
I stumbled upon your channel a few months ago and immediately loved it, but was worried/sad because your upload dates made it seem like you had, or were in the process of, abandoning the channel. I subscribed regardless, in hopes I was wrong.
I'm so happy to see you still uploading. You do a fantastic job with these videos, and you deserve every bit of success you've earned, and so much more.
He had a lot of irl issues that got in the way, and made it so he couldn't upload videos. But he's, thankfully, gotten through most of those. I'm glad he was able to come back to this! Missed his in depth analysis of all the random bits of skyrim lol.
@@nulikka6967 Aww, that's unfortunate but I'm really glad he's been able to make progress on those issues and start coming back to UA-cam. Hopefully everything continues going well for him going forward!
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book of the Bible you chose yourself in your lifetime. Combining the personal reading with doing the inner work Jesus Christ taught are key. Start with forgiveness, parents are easiest, they’ve loved you. It all starts in the heart. Genuinely open up. Jesus Christ is the way truth and life. Break down before him and ask for forgiveness. Please trust me,
Dude i am seriously at a low point in life rn but seeing you still posting after your break comforted me for some reason
Thank you
22:07 to 22:22 Eorlund isn't the only one, if the Dovahkiin uses the Skyforge to craft any of the steel weapons Eorlund sells as Skyforge steel version (this excludes a few), they will be Skyforge steel versions. It's a pretty nice touch.
Such an incredible game series. Kirkbride and the other lore writers are masters. Glad you're back to helping us explore this amazing series.
Your posts always make my day...
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If it's _older than the Elves_ and they didn't mess with it, it can only be a Dawn Era artefact.
Funny, in czech language werewolf is vlkodlak, leader of companions is Kodlak. Of course in most of the slavic languages is it also similar, but in czech is it the closest word. It comes from ancient slavic form vъlkodlakъ (wolf skin) Coincidence? I don't think so :D
Well that's damn cool! B)
Yeah its Vukodlak in Croatian as well. Vuk - wolf dlak - hair/fur. Pretty sure Farkas and Vilkas also mean wolf in some other language.
Edit: i checked it out, Farkas is wolf in Hungarian and Vilkas is wolf in lithuanian
There is a companion named farkas and it translates to wolf in hungarian too btw
@@360Roko I was about to say that. I'm Hungarian and the first time I played the game all those years ago I really liked that detail.
Vilkas and Farkas are Lithuanian and Hungarian respectively for 'wolf'. Fun little tidbit. Basically, every member of the Circle is somehow referencing the fact that they're werewolves.
Supposedly a mysterious winter overtook Atmora. Freezing the land and causing the nords to migrate south to Skyrim. Now that is a mystery that needs to be solved. What caused Atmora to freeze?
Real question is anyone living there now?
To be clear, the glaciation of atmora is most likely a reference to fimbulwinter.
I mean... ice ages aren't a huge mystery unless we have a reason to believe it came about because of some mythic event. That would for sure be influenced by fimbulwinter, which in turn probably was inspired in real life from the small ice age during the migration period.
Whatever it was seems to have affected more than atmora too. Skyrim seems to be getting colder over time too from it's early descriptions as well as the golden coast used to be a jungle in cyrodil.
I've played hundreds of hours of Skyrim since its release and only in this video did I realize, the Companions's mead hall was built out of their overturned ship. It's amazing how many new nuggets of lore are still out there to be found.
Me too. I never made that connection myself either. I'd look at the roof of the building and wouldn't think twice of it.
Ya gotta read the books, bud lol
Same here. I've never played any of the previous elder scrolls games, so a lot of the lore is lost on me. By reading the books in skyrim (and skyrim only) Ive pieced together, and understand the basics, like the different territories, races, and some events, both current and historical. But the companion's mead hall is one (of many I'm sure) that I was completely unaware of. And it was hiding in plain sight too, lol.
Cmon boys we gotta use our god given eyes
@@Pliko3 Ikr? I spotted it as soon as I entered Whiterun the first time, and I'm half blind lol.
I'm glad you're taking a break from the Iceberg thing. And believe me, I love hearing about the Companions and the Skyforge.
That would also explain why silent moon camp looks like a burial mound entrance, since shor is dead.
Another amazing commentary! I look forward to the one hour deep dive. Thank you for all of the work you put into the production of your videos!
I love that you still have so much passion for this game, hope you keep enjoying making content and diving deep into Skyrims lore👍
something that always nagged at me was the fact that the Circle use the Underforge to gift lycanthropy, instead of doing it via any other means. so i think the Underforge has some connection to Hircine.
I think they use the underforge because it's a secret place nearby they can easily get to buy people who don't know probably won't be able to get into
@@SebasTian58323 My theory is this: Kyne suddenly detached her essence from the forge. The Companions needed the Skyforge to keep being the skyforge. So since they've been Turing into Warewolfs they turned to Hircine for his blessing instead. Hence the Underforge used for the initiation ritual. and keeping the ritual a secret so ppl from Whiterun dont end up attacking the Companions.
Others have mentioned that Kajit beliefs mention an alliance between Hircine and Kyne and possibly also Lorkhan to defeat a corrupted… something with a name that starts with a Y, sorry.
I think the Skyforge runs on a mix of Aedric and Daedric magic.
No wonder the snow elves were afraid of the Forge. The Forge was Kyne's side meaning it was wanderer elnohfey territory making the old elnohfey descendants (elves) fear it now
What
Yes. The elves were afraid of the hawk, kyne. An enemy of their ancestors, the old elnhofey.
@@kingofstrangeness7014 To summarize - The Ehlnofey were at the bottom of the totem pole of the gods (to the point that names of individual Ehlnofey are no longer known except to Druids or other worshippers of local nature spirits) that created Nirn (the Aedra, or ancestors), and became temporary, having to either merge with the world to survive or live on through their children.
The Wandering Ehlnofey are the ancestors of men and giants, called such because they had to *wander* the surface of Nirn before finding Aldmeris, home of the Old Ehlnofey, ancestors of elves and Khajiit (that's another story, but tl;dr Wood Elves are more closely related to Khajiit than they are to the High Elves or any other elven races).
The Wandering Ehlnofey thought that they would be welcomed back with open arms by their brethren, as the races had still not split that much at this point. For whatever reason, whether because the Old Ehlnofey blamed Shor, High King of the Wandering Ehlnofey, for them becoming temporary, or because the Wandering Ehlnofey had forgotten many customs and looked disgusting, the Old Ehlnofey rejected them from Aldmeris.
This started a war that goes by many names, my favorite of which is the War of Manifest Metaphors. Many of the lands which once existed on Nirn sunk during this war. The elven death god Xarxes was likely adopted as the mannish death god Orkey during this time. The end stages of this war resulted in the betrayal of Shor by the elven gods and the removal of His Heart, along with Kyne gathering the Wandering Ehlnofey to the Throat of the World in order to stabilize their forms.
Entering fan speculation - the mannish gods and the elven gods would have both had places of power in this terrible war, with the Skyforge and the Lunar Forge being places of power for the mannish gods. The Snow Elves feared the Skyforge because it was a place of power for enemy gods, specifically Kyne, a terrible wind that had likely destroyed many of their ancestors.
I hope that clears it up, at least somewhat. Ask as many questions as you like, if it didn't clear it up. Much of this lore comes from either "The Monomyth" or "The Anuad."
Me who uses Altmer race, wield the Wuuthrad and also crafting at the Skyforge: 😐
@@jagnestormskull3178 could we argue that the giants we see may be the only ones who may know the true origins of the skyforge?
Excellent video, very comprehensive. The only point I might add is that if the skyforge and lunar forge really are from the merethic era, then the nearby throat of the world must surely also relate to them.
In the description, the captured snow elves say the forge is from before the elves. And the elves refused to be in the valley that is now Whiterun due to their fear of the Skyforge. Therefore, pre-Merithic era.
It has been years since I played Skyrim but I have a vague recollection that the moon forge works when both moons are visible in the sky.
The theory I've always had is that you have the Lunar Forge which crafts weapons that gain abilities under a full moon, and then you have the Skyforge (which might represent the sun) that creates a stronger steel, and although I haven't been able to prove it, I feel like Skyforge weapons accept and enhance burning enchantments (targets burn/targets on fire take more damage), and Lunar weapons seem to enhance Absorb Health/Stamina/Magica enchantments, as well as give a few more seconds to use soul trap. What's more, we have within this world werewolves created by Hircine,, and vampires by Molag Bal. Vampires are particularly weak to fire and sunlight, and werewolves are weak to draining poisons/spells. Another interesting bit of lore is that about every 1,000 years, Hircine returns to the "earth" so to speak to have a massive hunt, where both people and animals become the prey. Now, if I were a rival of Hircine's, I may want to balance the playing field because during those hunts, his followers are very powerful in their werewolf form, and their prey would barely stand a chance fighting against them. Also if I were a rival Daedric prince, I probably wouldn't be happy if I saw another prince obtaining and holding onto more power and glory than I have, and therefore I might provide the people with a means of balancing the odds. Therefore Vampires who frequent the night would be working the Lunar Forge to make weapons against werewolves, and during the day werewolves would be making weapons against the vampires.
Keep these videos coming! So excited to see videos again! Any plans for a possible series of some sort outside of this?
I think you nailed it. I have wondered about Jorrvaskr as it did look like a ship and I guess it was at one time. Very interesting lore.
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Me over here: the dwarves are awfully quiet about this forge and also Zenithar...he's always mention around Kyne. And that a lot of merchants,miners,blacksmith and etc associates with him. Plus, He's kind of the blacksmith of the Aedra.
started playing this game at 17 or so.... im 28 finally getting back into it. these videos make me want to do nothing but go home and explore skyrim for hours. Keep it up man.
Nate, whether you read this or not hearing your voice back to skyrim not only fills the child inside me again to learn but it made me realize the time that went by. for what it’s worth i will watch your channel till you publicly hang it up or unfortunate events occur. you’ve been apart of my life for so long please never leave.
I loved the video and made lot of sense. I also loved the fact that you didn’t say “should I make a 1hr video about it?”. You just said “I am doing it and expect for it.” Like a real man!
More importantly, did you know that Adrianne Avenicci of Warmaiden's has been making copies of Eorlund Greymane's weapons?
They're Skyforgeries!
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@@jamesmayle3787 Their pun wasn't that bad.
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Hey Nate. You were absent for rather a long time but came back as an absolute beast. Your efforts are appriciated pal.
Interesting that Mer and Men both seems to worship the same Gods now. At least the High Elves do, hence the religious conflict in Skyrim.
Given the hints that the Dark Elves tend to worship Diedra. I would say that indicates the High Elves and Dark Elves probably split from each other after the defeat of the ancestors of the Mer. With the High Elves adopting the Gods of the victors, and the Dark Elves remaining true to the Old Gods.
Interesting to speculate.
Thank you so much for another great thoughtful and thought provoking production!
Actually I think that's canon. The Dark Elves look the way they do because of Daedric tampering (IIRC it was a punishment for crossing Azura) and were originally High Elves.
look up the Chimer. OR just play Morrowind.
I was sad when Euroland Greymane died in my play though. Came for smithing training one day and he was gone. Warmaiden lady Adrianne Avenicci confirmed it.
She got rid of competition
How did he die 😂 Dragon got him or what
@@PlayerFORgamevmore than likely it was a dragon, it’s rare for a NPC that only stays within one city to die by any other means lol
@@PlayerFORgamev does he only die after you lift the curse? He did dedicate a good portion of his life to that... worried real hard about where he'd go when he'd die. Maybe he finally was just at peace, and let go.
@@maxinac We are talking about Euroland Greymane not the Kodlak Harbinger ;D Dude from the Skyforge
Not enough people talk about how absolutely fucking metal Ysgramor's war against the snow elves was.
He took 500 warriors, and won a war. 500.
That's the population of a high school.
Ysgramor is basically Leonidas from _300_ ...except he actually wins.
Don't forget they had dragons and Azhidal heavily enchanting their armor and weapons.
@@lighterudite I didn't know this I thought it was because Ysgramor could shout or something
@@ComeNalgi Now I think on it, only dragons and dragonborns were able to shout at that time. Only much later during the Dragon War, Paarthurnax teached the nords how to shout.
Although his gear is not that impressive. I kept his axe AND shield. Eh, I CRAFT better weapons and armor with better enchants. I ended up just sticking them up on my wall for display. Those as well as all the Daedric artifacts I have collected and discarded as obsolete after time passes.
A lot of the time, it feels like the developers of these games didn't actually come up with an answer for any of these questions. Like they just put in this cool feature, allowed there to be a mystery to it, and just sat back and watched while the fandom speculated for years about it 😅
Someone on the staff must be a D&D DM. lol
@@janeenschultz8502
Well, funny enough, that's how the entire franchise was started. Homebrew D&D.
Bethesda developers have actually admitted to doing this.
@@badluck5647 Can recognize it as a fellow DM.
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So insane about the spectral assassin even commenting on it, honestly it's impossible to know everything about this game. Best game ever made.
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I... I had no idea there was "hero" gear... I have done the companions questline so many times, and crafted so many daggers at that forge...
So happy to have more videos from you, thank you! ❤
Nate, that was a great video! The Lunar Forge may need to be used during a full-moon to get the enchantment applied to the weapons. I'll have to test the theory.
I was always bummed that they didn't do something with that. I think it would have been so awesome to have each forge add a different enhancement specific to either weapon or traits. The Lunar Forge could add a magic ability only active during a full moon and even more magical during a blood moon. Ahhh, could've been real cool.
I'm calling shenanigans
No way the Jorrvaskr ship fit in those tiny streams by Whiterun
Rivers change over seasons, let alone ages. It may have been larger in the past.
@@jaredrussell4064 You dare bring logic into the UA-cam comments section?
Seriously though, the streams are too small, and looking at the erosion, you can see where the water reaches to
It could have been different 5000 years ago when they were doing it, but if the water was high enough for the ship to sail on it, the skyforge would not have been on a plain, it would've been on an island in the middle of a massive lake
@@EvelynnWinters2000 Maybe the ship was magic?
@@TheSpiritsLease Pfft, magic? In Skyrim? No way
lol
While I guess technically, that would be possible, it also would've been something that would've been mentioned SOMEWHERE that his ship is magical
@An Insane Moose. Wait, I just read the volume of Songs of the Return. They didn't sail. It says, "Southwards they went, by beast and by foot." Then later it says that they built the hall out of their ship.
Man I love these lore videos you do. They are laid out so well I just can’t stop watching.
*Nate:*
"Open a Black Briar Reserve.."
*Honningbrew Meadery:*
"Listen here you little Sh*t..."
That would be super neat if Bethesda added an Easter egg referencing nate in TES 6
They fucken better😭😭😭 I'll pitch a fit
Maybe a character with some of his iconic quotes like "Only Akatosh knows the truth and Akatosh won't tell."
Nate, for maybe another Unique Items video you should cover the Diadem of the Savant circlet, I never knew it existed until now, you can find it at the wood chopping block outside Froki's shack, it just a standard circlet but the enchantment is as far as I know unique with 'Spells in all schools of magic cost less magicka to cast.'
Thats actually obtained from a place in the labyrinthian after a puzzle and a fight with a daedra who's carrying it but i have no idea lorewise how or why it exists there
While it is supposed to be unique, you can get two of them, one in the end of Shalidor's Maze, and one outside of Froki's shack. The one outside of Froki's shack is supposed to be some other kind of diadem, but an error in the game's code causes the Diadem of the Savant to appear instead.
Skyforge is a very interesting topic and I definitely would like to hear more about it.
On a side note, I am really enjoying your longer more in-depth videos.
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I have to say that this is one of the best Skyrim review channels I have seen, loved your videos! Always something to learn about Skyrim!Great to see that Skyrim community is still going strong even after all these years :)
im so happy you still post. i have these binge months where i just watch all your videos especially fallout 4 ones.
Sometimes these things are tenuous or flakey but pretty sure you nailed this one, especially considering that bit from Songs of the Return.
Absolutely spot-on piece of detective work. The entire story hangs together *very* well. I have to wonder if there's any connection to the Dwemer and their Aetherium forge.
Doubtful as the migration of Dwemer to Skyrim happened way after the first record of the Skyforge.
What I'm saying, though, is that, for whatever reason, all of the *special* forges of which we know are on or under Skyrim. What if that is because of some inherent property of the land itself, no matter who harnessed it?
We need more lore on the Ehlnofey, for some reason "Wandering Ehlnofey" made me think of Ma'ik the Lair. This guy still needs a real explanation.
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I've been watching Nate so long that he's got Raid Shadow Legends commercials now 😂
So proud of you!
Love it to come back so many years later to watch your videos and still enjoy Skyrim
I'm like, 99% sure you can craft skyforged steel and lunar equipment at their respective forges. I remember thinking I was some sort of super detective when I figured out the lunar lore. This was... a decade ago? I'll have to dig out the 360 and have a look, see if I can find what I'm talking about. Idk of I even still have the save
I wonder if there might be some link between the Skyforge and the Atromach Forge. I mean, the Skyforge seems to be associated with Aetherius, both because of the Kyne thing and the connection to the sky, which is often referenced alongside Aetherius. And the Atronach Forge is obviously connected to Oblivion, which is sort of the opposite of Aetherius. Just food for thought
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Also the Lunar enchantment does NOT drain health, the enchantment description explains that it BURNS targets. I think the "Vampire-like" thing from the book was a part of the enchantment that Bethesda intended to add, but having a Drain Health enchantment available that early to the player would've been unbalanced, so we got a modified Fire damage enchantment.
There is also the "X of the Vampire" category of Drain Health enchantments that I've only seen accessible through developer console commands... I wonder if these are accessible in the normal game eventually.
@@ModdingNewbie You mean the Standard Drain Health Enchant? Because any weapon with a Drain Health enchantment that you find (aside from the Blade of Woe) will be labeled "Weapon of the Vampire"
@@treybrzezowski3259 Except that these were stronger than any I've discovered personally in the course of all my _Skyrim_ playthroughs...!
Nate, your videos are like crack to me. Every time I play Skyrim, I always have you in mind. You always add more to the game, and I always binge watch your material for both Skyrim and Fallout. Thank you.
Been waiting for a chance to watch this all month
It's always great when Nate gets time to make a video, miss ya
Feels amazing tobe here and alive listening to your Epic voice once Again! ^_^ 😄🤩🥰😤
Honestly, the Companions is one of my favorite guilds / quest lines in all of Skyrim. The first time I played through, I was so pissed off and sad at the same with what happened to Kodlak, but the ending turned it around. Kodlak is a badass.
My thoughts on the lunar forge was that it was a gift from Hircine that grant his followers "healing" while not in wolf form after all when you're a werewolf and eat a heart, you get regeneration so do the weapons grant regeneration when using them
My grandson who is only just old enough to play Skyrim is experiencing all this for the first time. I shall suggest he watches your videos to get some insight. He loves 'story' led video games and was quite shocked at the difference between Skyrim and some other games at the depth of it.
Would you be able to a video on the visual mods you use in your videos? It’s nice seeing a game as old as Skyrim look so good
I think there is some Phoenix mythology playing a part with the Skyforge being a spot for funeral spyres. Legendary heroes rising again one day in the greatest need?
Started back playing Skyrim a couple days ago after coming across this channel. Keep up the good work 😊
Ah man. I wish I had time to go back and play. I had such good memories spending hours on this masterpiece.
As much as I love the iceberg vids, it's nice to see a new shorter video
Edit typo
A short Nate video is 3x longer than a normal video from any other creator I watch😂
I wish there was a quest to side with the silver hand and wipe out the companions who have become corrupted by Hircine
Every faction should have that option to join their enemy and destroy them
@@THESLICKNESSEDM yea
There is a mod for this, Long live Skyrim modding!
@@Lyu-Phy majority of quest mods are bunk imo.
@@manz7860 indeed. While I think mods for personal play are fine, it only effects your gameplay, have at it. It's the fkrs that do it online that made me stop doing online gaming.
Nate you are the best Skyrim UA-camr by far thank you for your content
I have enjoyed Skyrim for a long time, and after completing the main storyline, and numerous side quests, I leave the game for a time. Then, I get the urge to begin again, and choose something different, like the race, or character, and start a new game again. It is amazing how different things can turn out. I too, had known about this forge, but never had I put so many clues together like Nate has. What a fascinating video, and I thank you, Nate, for doing it. Knowing some backgrounds on the adventures, further allows me to feel as though I am right there, inside the game. Wow, so well made by Bethesda, and I am glad to know there are others who enjoy it like I do, but I am happy there are those who delve in to it further, helping those like me understand more, making for a better experience.
There are so many other subtle and 'prophetic' references to the skyforge then just the hawk. I saw the hawk connection ages ago and knew it was Kynareth for more than multiple reasons that this video missed. But also, consider Kynareth's temple and the districts: 'Sky District' and 'Cloud District'. Consider that it was Kynareth that gave man the thu'um, the voice of the dragon. And in Whiterun legend, Numinex was held as Olaf One-Eye's 'pet' in the area known as 'dragonsreach'. The heart of Skyrim is the domain of Kynareth - and I thought it was brilliant how the first dragon decided to target Kynareth's domain to unlock the dragonborne's thu'um and to reveal dragonborne's idenitty first in Kynareth's domain (Whiterun). It only makes sense that it is Kynareth's skyforge to also assist the dragonborne early on in the game, as she is the one who created the dragonborne. Not to mention that when the dragonborne enters Whiterun after their identity is revealed, the greyboards shout to summon the dragonborne to the 'throat of the world'.
Just reread my comment. The tone sounded a little rude. That was not my intention. Apologies if it came across that way. Thought it was a fantastic video! So glad that the underforge and lunar forge were mentioned in honour of Kynareth's partner. Is there any chance that the lunar forge used to be Hircine's forge, built by some of the companions (who would operate outside of Whiterune) later assimilated into white run after the underforge was built? And has anyone tried using the lunar forge as werewolf (maybe vampire) to create lunar materials?
@@jakemelliot The moons have always been associated to Lorkhan's sundered body parts, so I don't see the Hircine connection with the Lunar forge. Also the Companions took up the Pact with Hircine just a couple hundred years ago where as the structure around the Lunar forge looks like it was built in Merethic era.
@@SorcererKing94 I am aware of Lorkhan's background - but I still see a strong connection. I am aware of the pact, but the connection was more again to Kyraneth as 'Mother of Men and beasts' in that aspect of her ability to give life and 'kiss at the end' of life while Hircine was the combining of the two and emodying the hunt. One kiss leads to sovngarde, (but her 'kiss' can also send people to Hircine's eternal hunting grounds). So while she is the widow of Lorkhan, Hircine and herself have a very good lunar connections to Lorkhan. So the skyforge, underforge and lunar forge make sense as both deities are linked to Lorkhan and the cycles of the wilderness, Kyraneth preserving the life of the wild, Hircine destroying the life of the wild but having.
@@jakemelliot I see your point, but it just comes across as Kyne and Hircine being rivals, but at the same time being inheritor(Kyne as she took after Shor as chief of a pantheon) and usurper(Hircine as he "stole" the mantle of Lorkhan's domain) of Lorkhan's legacy.
The statue looks more like an Eagle than a Hawk to many people, including me. The Eagle is a representation of Auri-el, the older version of Auriel/Akatosh.
AND Daedra were not distinct from Aedra back in ancient times. So im pretty sure ancient Auri-el and Hircine worshippers wouldnt be in conflict with each other.
Awesome video, Nate! I'm absolutely down to watch a vid on the preMan/Mer gods!
I always hated how I was forced to turn in to a werewolf, it not only messes with my character's head-cannon, it also effects my playstyle.
I generally like playing as a wholesome priesty boy that dabbles in healing spells, not turn in to a blood-thirsty beast, also, the Silver Hand would of been a cool faction to join and having a silver weapon would be drippy AF.
head-canon*
@@TheDevilbound I'm pretty sure it's not spelt with a asterix ether.
@@SynthLizard8 an*
@@MrAlphaBeck Nice try but 'A' and 'An' is based on pronunciation, not context.
For example: "A event" vs "An event" insinuating I could be referring to one of many events vs a specific event among many, both are synonymous and they are just both different flavours referring to the same context.
The amount of times I come back to Skyrim, reach that part of the quest and realise, oh poop, I forgot the no werewolf mod, 1 moment my dear companions *warps reality*
As usual, i wish i could like this video more than once. This deserves something special. Welcome back from your Hiatus. Weve been patiently waiting for this video to drop. You never disappoint, my friend.