Both are great options, I went with a built LS from CBM. It's street legal but mostly a sandcar.. something about wheelies on command never gets old..🤙
One thing that would have been nice about an LS is all the options out there for aftermarket parts for it. That would have been fun. Enjoy the wheelies! ✌😁
I can provide the answer as to why people choose the 2.2 l ecotec over the 2.4. The le5 came with a thinner area holding the sleeve in to the block leading to cracking issues at higher horsepower when boosted. This specific problem for people at the upper end of the horsepower spectrum LED a lot of people to believe that the 2.4 was the weaker blocked if you were going to build the motor and so most people tend to go to the 2.2 l for their swap projects because they assume they're going to make 8 to 900 horsepower eventually even though most people will never sniff that.
Either way a properly built 2.4 l le5 can handle 5 to 600 wheel horsepower quite easily I'm in the process of building one myself with forged internals to go into a Pontiac solstice.
Ecotec 2.4 is the best option for tuning if u like chevys. The Honda 3.0, 3.2 and 3.5 are more reliable and put out good HP. When running a Honda motor, a built 6 rib with all weddle internals is a must. Great. Video Doug👍🏼🤙🏽
Thanks Doug for this very instructive vidéo (As usual !) 👌👌 By the way I would love to have a video how you have cleaned these used motors ! 🤩 They look incredibly mint ! 😍 I used vapor cleaner and baking soda blaster and I cant achieve this splendor ! 😒 Sincerely Yvon
Did you freshen up the Honda motor with a new timing belt, oil or water pump or anything else? I know you said you might add a turbo in the future. Do you have a place to purchase performance parts for the J engine.
No, not yet. I've been running it, kinda hard actually. But haven't freshened it up yet. I pulled the pan and valve covers and cleaned everything up as much as possible, and replaced the oil. But no part replacements yet. I plan to add a turbo when I need it, but I'm still dialing in the chassis and not using full throttle yet. When I do get there and start to feel I need more power, I'll look at adding a turbo.
P2R is a great place to get aftermarket parts for a j series. And other than maintenance, a j32 and j35 can hold up to 500hp on nothing other than head studs
can you provide a link for the AN fittings you used on the back of the J head water ports? i knw you said they're -10 but what is the thread size in the head? thanks
This is it, they call it a breather fitting. But these thread right into the cylinder heads and worked perfectly on mine. amzn.to/3AtgojI I believe they are M28 threads. I don't know the pitch.
Make sure you have a heavy duty 6 rib. Then expect to destroy it!!! People always say I will take it easy Lol. Then they get addicted yo the power and say well just this once.. AND BANG
This is the computer that I'm using. www.aemelectronics.com/products/programmable-engine-management-systems/infinity-ecu/infinity-series-5 I don't think they offer a wiring harness for it. I made my own. But if you look around there might be companies out there that make one. There are several different flavors of J series engines out there. So I would get the engine first. Then you can get a wiring harness to work with the engine you have.
Can you reply with a comparison of power delivery and drive ability between the two engines? I am building an LE5 Ecotec buggy now, but thinking I should have gone Honda for the extra power..
My Ecotec is about 175hp, the J35 is about 240hp. I don't feel a big difference in the HP, but the torque difference is noticeable. The fact that the J35 is a bit bigger and a V design gives it more torque. That being said the Ecotec (especially with the VVT) is a great engine. And mine gets around the dirt really well. Also the fact that it's skinnier makes it take up less room in the back of the buggy. What transaxle are you running?
Thanks for the reply! I have a 2010 LE5 with VVT mated to a close ratio 002 with weddle internals in a mid travel, 4 seat rail. Should be ready to run in about a week. Going to take it to the sand this winter. Hope I will be satisfied with the power.
@@raymonsmyers2034 I think that'll be a good setup. If you do decide you want a little more power you could look at getting a J35, or a supercharger for the Ecotec.
I'm using the Kennedy Engineering 6470 adaptor plate. It's designed for a VW bug or bus bolt pattern. (they're the same, but the input shaft is different) However this engine is mated to a Weddle HV25 transaxle, which uses a Chevy 26 spline input shaft. So the flywheel is designed to adapt to that.
I did consider it. The problem I ran into is the salvage yard I go to has very little options for Subaru's. Where the Ecotec's and J series are all over the place.
I like the J35A3 motor myself, that was around 2004-2006 years. For the Ecotec 2007-2009 seems to be when the 2.4 with VVT was really popular. Wikipedia has good breakdowns of specific years.
The ecotec has big issues with the junk nylon chain guides although the SAAB B207 NG9-3 design LK9 from memory has more robust internals, but again the timing chain guides are rubbish.
Alot of bad info on the LE5. Nothing wrong with it. Its gets a bad rep from the 2010 2013 equinox etc. The transverse mounted engines had lots of problems. The direct injected engines are junk so are turbos. Stick with port injected non turbo setups and they will last a good long time.
@@wrencheverydayohiyokosaima7257 The Ecotec is a bit easier to fit in a chassis usually, and it's a more common swap. Typically there's more support for that engine. Although the J35 has more torque and power, it's been more difficult to find support for it as it's not as common of a swap. At least that's what my experience was.
I have all engine ecotec from the olds one to the 2.4 now my experience is that the 2.2 is better due to. Not having issues from the time chain or any valves problem those engine go all the way up to 400 HP on good build costum I said piston rings.the head valves all components they are good engines only problem on 2.4 is time chain issues and oil consumption because they made a mistake not doing a PVC valve so is inside the intake manifold on that engine model i don't have any complaints about some people don't liket is like crappy engine for me is a good engine besides i have a lot parts for them and Honda are more expensive and not find every where
Both are great options, I went with a built LS from CBM. It's street legal but mostly a sandcar.. something about wheelies on command never gets old..🤙
One thing that would have been nice about an LS is all the options out there for aftermarket parts for it. That would have been fun.
Enjoy the wheelies! ✌😁
Very entertaining video. Thank you. You are now my 2nd favorite Doug in the car world.
Thanks!
Honda seams like a good option to a VW buss great video
It would definitely get the job done.
J35A8 in a Bus would be AWESOME!
I can provide the answer as to why people choose the 2.2 l ecotec over the 2.4. The le5 came with a thinner area holding the sleeve in to the block leading to cracking issues at higher horsepower when boosted. This specific problem for people at the upper end of the horsepower spectrum LED a lot of people to believe that the 2.4 was the weaker blocked if you were going to build the motor and so most people tend to go to the 2.2 l for their swap projects because they assume they're going to make 8 to 900 horsepower eventually even though most people will never sniff that.
Either way a properly built 2.4 l le5 can handle 5 to 600 wheel horsepower quite easily I'm in the process of building one myself with forged internals to go into a Pontiac solstice.
Excellent information! Thanks for taking the time to post this! 👍
Ecotec 2.4 is the best option for tuning if u like chevys. The Honda 3.0, 3.2 and 3.5 are more reliable and put out good HP. When running a Honda motor, a built 6 rib with all weddle internals is a must. Great. Video Doug👍🏼🤙🏽
Thanks for the info! ✌
Thanks Doug for this very instructive vidéo (As usual !) 👌👌
By the way I would love to have a video how you have cleaned these used motors ! 🤩
They look incredibly mint ! 😍
I used vapor cleaner and baking soda blaster and I cant achieve this splendor ! 😒
Sincerely
Yvon
I've thought about that. I think next time I grab an engine I'll make a video on selecting it at the boneyard. Then I'll show how I clean it.
Did you freshen up the Honda motor with a new timing belt, oil or water pump or anything else? I know you said you might add a turbo in the future. Do you have a place to purchase performance parts for the J engine.
No, not yet. I've been running it, kinda hard actually. But haven't freshened it up yet.
I pulled the pan and valve covers and cleaned everything up as much as possible, and replaced the oil. But no part replacements yet.
I plan to add a turbo when I need it, but I'm still dialing in the chassis and not using full throttle yet. When I do get there and start to feel I need more power, I'll look at adding a turbo.
P2R is a great place to get aftermarket parts for a j series. And other than maintenance, a j32 and j35 can hold up to 500hp on nothing other than head studs
I think you mean Salvage Yards. Honda builds the best gasoline engines on this planet.
Can't argue with you there, so far it's been a great engine.
I went from 2276 dual Webber (239 lbs) to (412 lbs for 2.2 Ecotec supercharged). 435 lbs with radiator
I was hoping someone would post what an air cooled motor weighs. Thanks!
The J35 is the absolute choice.
It's been very good to me so far.
Honda j35 👍👍👍💪💪💪
I have a 2.4 Eco tec Turbo in my 2014 Chevy Cruze.
Turbo Ecotec! Nice ✌
can you provide a link for the AN fittings you used on the back of the J head water ports? i knw you said they're -10 but what is the thread size in the head? thanks
This is it, they call it a breather fitting. But these thread right into the cylinder heads and worked perfectly on mine.
amzn.to/3AtgojI
I believe they are M28 threads. I don't know the pitch.
@@DougBugBuilder very cool, thank you!
@@DougBugBuilder M28-1.50 is the thread size on the water ports. thanks for the link
Always very informative, i want to get a Honda for my sandcar. Can you send links to get computer and harness.
Make sure you have a heavy duty 6 rib. Then expect to destroy it!!! People always say I will take it easy Lol. Then they get addicted yo the power and say well just this once.. AND BANG
This is the computer that I'm using. www.aemelectronics.com/products/programmable-engine-management-systems/infinity-ecu/infinity-series-5
I don't think they offer a wiring harness for it. I made my own. But if you look around there might be companies out there that make one. There are several different flavors of J series engines out there. So I would get the engine first. Then you can get a wiring harness to work with the engine you have.
Thanks if you ever do ls swap and need all the info let me know , i do them at my inlaws shop
Hay
Who did the ECM re-fash ?
It was done by a company called Alpha Fab out of Michigan. I sent it to them, and when I got it back the engine fired right up.
Can you reply with a comparison of power delivery and drive ability between the two engines? I am building an LE5 Ecotec buggy now, but thinking I should have gone Honda for the extra power..
My Ecotec is about 175hp, the J35 is about 240hp. I don't feel a big difference in the HP, but the torque difference is noticeable. The fact that the J35 is a bit bigger and a V design gives it more torque. That being said the Ecotec (especially with the VVT) is a great engine. And mine gets around the dirt really well. Also the fact that it's skinnier makes it take up less room in the back of the buggy.
What transaxle are you running?
Thanks for the reply! I have a 2010 LE5 with VVT mated to a close ratio 002 with weddle internals in a mid travel, 4 seat rail. Should be ready to run in about a week. Going to take it to the sand this winter. Hope I will be satisfied with the power.
@@raymonsmyers2034 I think that'll be a good setup. If you do decide you want a little more power you could look at getting a J35, or a supercharger for the Ecotec.
what adaptor plate are you running on the honda v6? is it mated to a VW bus trans or bug trans?
I'm using the Kennedy Engineering 6470 adaptor plate. It's designed for a VW bug or bus bolt pattern. (they're the same, but the input shaft is different) However this engine is mated to a Weddle HV25 transaxle, which uses a Chevy 26 spline input shaft. So the flywheel is designed to adapt to that.
@@DougBugBuilder thanks!
Great comparison, did you happen to consider the Subi boxer motor in you evaluation.
I did consider it. The problem I ran into is the salvage yard I go to has very little options for Subaru's. Where the Ecotec's and J series are all over the place.
What year do you suggest for each motor
I like the J35A3 motor myself, that was around 2004-2006 years. For the Ecotec 2007-2009 seems to be when the 2.4 with VVT was really popular. Wikipedia has good breakdowns of specific years.
The ecotec has big issues with the junk nylon chain guides although the SAAB B207 NG9-3 design LK9 from memory has more robust internals, but again the timing chain guides are rubbish.
Debating on dropping the j35 on a G20 van. As much as I’d like to drop a 4.8 V8
183000 miles on a Honda J-series is NOTHING. These motors are close to unkillable. They’re exceptionally reliable even by Honda standards.
man that was a lot of work...
You telling me! 😉
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@@MOE13576, 😂😂😎🫵 got it
Alot of bad info on the LE5. Nothing wrong with it. Its gets a bad rep from the 2010 2013 equinox etc. The transverse mounted engines had lots of problems. The direct injected engines are junk so are turbos.
Stick with port injected non turbo setups and they will last a good long time.
perfect because i was gonna ecotec swap lol
I think you'll be happy with that choice.
@@DougBugBuilder over the j35? why do you say so?
@@wrencheverydayohiyokosaima7257 The Ecotec is a bit easier to fit in a chassis usually, and it's a more common swap. Typically there's more support for that engine. Although the J35 has more torque and power, it's been more difficult to find support for it as it's not as common of a swap. At least that's what my experience was.
You will have the Ecotec 2.4L blew up between 60-75kmiles with timing chain chewed up the engine. Good ridden for GM “German” design😢
The echo tech is the worst design they every came out with the over heat they blow head gasket there junk
I have all engine ecotec from the olds one to the 2.4 now my experience is that the 2.2 is better due to. Not having issues from the time chain or any valves problem those engine go all the way up to 400 HP on good build costum I said piston rings.the head valves all components they are good engines only problem on 2.4 is time chain issues and oil consumption because they made a mistake not doing a PVC valve so is inside the intake manifold on that engine model i don't have any complaints about some people don't liket is like crappy engine for me is a good engine besides i have a lot parts for them and Honda are more expensive and not find every where
Thanks for the good info on the different Ecotec engines. ✌