I'm surprised how many people think 100 miles range isn't practical and you need to hang around for hours to charge. This just isn't how it works, people are still thinking along how you run a ice car, run it to empty then fill up. I do about 40 to 50 miles a day in my Tesla mp3 which is around 15% of it charge. When I get home I just plug in and with just over an hour your topped up again it's so easy, no detour on your way too or from work to fill up with petrol and queuing to pay for your fuel whilst several people in front of you are paying for their Costa coffee. It saves me so much time every week. Let's face it petrol stations are busy places now. Went to Lake District half term 167miles from home, drove there charged from lodge all week, used the car all week. Drove home and pluged in when got back 520 miles in total for the week with day trips. Trust me you hardly ever use public charging because you're home or you're destination is your fuel station. You fuel you're car NOT in you're own time.
Richard Corns Absolutely spot on. Many ICE car users don’t yet understand the charging situation. So many of them claim to need an EV that can do 400 miles and recharge in 5 minutes. In other words, a nonsensical use case.
Richard Corns yes but not everyone has a drive way . So your point about charging from home is irrelevant. I won’t be buying an EV until I’m forced too . Congrats on your tesla but sound is important to me when buying a performance car 👍🏻
I really like that it looks almost exactly like a normal Mini. Opt to get rid of the yellow accents and the average person wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. It’s a pity the real world range isn’t better though.
I think a mini, Peugeot 205e, Nissan Leaf etc will be peoples day to day car and then you can have a petrol car for the weekend and long distance blasts. The main stream manufactures have worked hard to make the small electric car appear no different to their ICE options. Also I think you are spot on, people will (and do) lease electric cars as there is a concern over battery life.
Joe, I love how you show footage of you in these cars while moving. Really gives me a sense of noise and harshness. Wish you would take a drive on the motorway at high speed. Would really love to hear the wind noise.
I’m a Cooper S owner and love my little mini, I’d be very tempted with this electric version. I just don’t think the infrastructure for electric cars is there yet.
The Treagust Maybe in central London and the larger cities. Not nationwide though, and especially not in much of the North. It’s years off being practical for a huge percentage of the population.
Chris Abbott that seems like too much of a reactive approach; both the government and companies installing them need to be more proactive if they’re going to encourage mass adoption of pure electric cars.
I think the best option has to be the ‘entry’ car. £299 per month is pretty reasonable when taking everything into account. Home charging will be 4 hours, which is fine for most who reside in the same house each night. If Mini were to offer a similar option with the 5 door hatch then I’d be even closer to buying.
Great visuals as usual Joe Apologies I really don’t get EA vehicles, they cannot be recycled at anything like a conventional car. They aren’t environmentally friendly as electricity has to be generated in conventional ways. Don’t buy them! We’ve only got another few years driving Petrol ⛽️ cars so let’s enjoy them while we can. Sorry it’s a £200 pcm car.
Thanks buddy, yeah I don't personally agree with EV's, especially the bullshit around "zero emissions", there is no such thing as zero emissions unfortunately. But as a EV it does a decent job and for £25k it's the first well priced and well made one I've tried 👊
A lot of EV owners have their own solar panels so you don't 'have to' get your electricity from conventional sources. Some even have their own batteries in their homes.
Petrol head myself, but am thinking of one of these in Level 1 spec to replace our ageing second petrol car that we use for short commutes and when we both are using a car.
Nice review Joe, great work! Not much of an advert for blighty to any Americans watching your video (usual grey dull blighty p*ssing it down) god I miss New Zealand, I'm heading back to the sun as soon as I can. (I was born here, but had the sense to escape the UK)
Where I live there is no parking outside my house and there is only 1 charging bay for everyone in the town, so an electric car is out for me but in the future if its easier to charge and battery's last longer I will happily buy an electric car
Top heavy? What are you talking about? It has a significantly lower CoG than the Cooper S, courtesy of its low mounted battery pack...despite the fact that it’s slightly taller.
Adrian Lee Burton the road trips I do are to Belgium,Germany,Luxembourg etc. I think a EV isn’t good enough for that and the EV infrastructure isn’t that great as yet. In the end the price will shoot up for electric charging points.
Sorry mate this was filmed a whole ago and only had the car for the day, don't have the budget to do do acceleration comparisons either unfortunately. The M2C would miles quicker to 70kph though
I can’t see how electric cars can be the future..... there’s just too many issues that make it nearly impossible to carry out. We can’t even get fibre optic broadband to everyone in the UK, yet alone a system that would be able to charge all these vehicles. I can’t even park outside my own house. How many people also buy new cars? I know too many people that can just about afford a very cheap second hand car. If your one of the lucky ones that could afford a second hand electric car there is a life expectancy on the battery pack... how much would that cost the new owner? .
Sounds like an #Electric bike would be your best option ! or the #Bus or #Taxi ! Otherwise how are you going to travel in towns and cities when #ICE vehicles have been banned ?
@@tyrantwitness2482 so you believe that this country will ban internal combustion engines from towns and city's? That will never happen my friend.....99.9% of traffic in city's use ICE and that's a massive amount to change when you dont have the infrastructure I.e public transport, charging facilities
Richard Jones Richard you might like to see what's happening in cities in China, Korea and as has just been announced LA ! Check out videos from #FullyCharged Things are changing fast !
Great review and you nearly had my interest in this car until you said it's probably got a real world range of 100 miles, still not quite practical enough for real life I'm afraid. I was actually lucky enough to go onto the production line of the last of the original old Mini back in the early 90s, I think they badged them up as Italian job edition just to try and shift them, they would absolutely fly out the door if they brought them back now.
Joe Achilles and that is the new car range. When it’s had a few 100 cycles on it and the real world range is down to 80 miles it will then be somewhat limiting. I’m keeping my M2 Comp and a ancient diesel polo for the commute! When that dies maybe electric will be feasible, if it lasts 3 or 4 years. Interesting times.
where do you people live that you need hundreds of miles of range at a time? I could drive from one end of my city to the other... and back... twice...
@@knifeyonline The countryside. No public transport. This car would be grand for most days but as soon as you would need to do a long journey (to the city) forget about it.
Great video. I find it hard at the moment to become an Electrichead. There's some serious dispute how green EVs are at the moment with a 50%+ fossil fueled electricity grid. But change will happen.
“provided you have a “second” car to do long journeys”?? Which means a combustion vehicle. Even more so if you want to carry any load - if you run a business. Which pretty much sums up the state of electric cars (vans and lorries). Long journey? You mean Oxford to Birmingham and back - which is apparently not achievable in that mini in these conditions. Sure, great car if you park it at your local railway station. That is the future of motoring in the U.K. by 2035 as enforced on us by our “politically correct” government.
I hope you "car youtubers" know how much influence you have on your viewers?!? I guess the car brands do... In the last two years you guys have made me buy a -17 Mini Countryman John Cooper Works, a -18 Range Rover Velar P380, -15 Cayman GT4, -17 Panamera 4S, a -12 Ferrari FF, and right now I`ve decided to order an electric Mini. Well I will be leasing that one.. I don`t have the balls to buy electric. Never tried any of the cars before getting them, fully trusting you guys ;) You`ll see some of it on my instagram @clausphresberg. Really like your channel. Keep it coming!
Nah not there yet, needs to beat petrol for range and performance. Battery tech still has a long way to go, all the ev's are far too heavy. Think in 3 or 4 years they will be much better
This would be very attractive as a town car with a proper range - need 200 miles minimum to make it practical. Bear in-mind batteries also lose their capacity with age. Longevity of batteries is also a question mark leading to an accelerating depreciation curve over time whereas petrol engine cars tend to flatten depreciation after 3 years.
If I could get this top level one for £250 a month... With no deposit! ... I’d probably get one... They’re on about putting charging points at work and my commute is 20 miles each way... Hmmm 🤔 I’m going to get on the configurator...
Talking performance and comparing it to the S, a £400 stage 1 remap brings the S to 280BHP. My point is, this is cute but if you're serious, get the ICE variant.
@@Quaddriver2 I'm sure it's great but when you go electric, you don't go back. I drove Tesla model 3 performance on country roads in Norway once. AWD with 400hp... put that into a Cooper works chassis. BMW executives have fupped up here by not making this car more compelling as it could have been in the same way Honda has with the Honda e. The Peugeot e208 beats them both.
@@michaelherlihy2090 My comment was based on this video, so Cooper S vs Cooper E and I stand by my opinion that this E-version is far from as great as the ICE-variant. Not only performance wise (heavier, slow v-max), but also looks (not sporty, higher ride) and daily practicality (milage). Regarding your model 3 performance experience, I suggest you also drive a similar 400HP AWD ICE platform on that same road and let me know how much more smiles that car gave you...
@@Quaddriver2 you're using ICE car metrics for an electric car. You didn't answer my question so obviously you haven't driven one so you can't really judge something you have no experience of. What gives you smiles depends on your preference... I prefer to have the better torque and the responsiveness of the electric than the noise with less responsiveness and torque. It's a pity BMW fudged this electric mini to save on costs. It should have been a £30 to 35k car.
So the EV will make about 130KM normal driving & the petrol version will do about 500Km. I would have thought 180Km minimum for the EV. Now I see why they selling 8 ice to one EV. This company want there cake & eat it.
Frank Stocker That 1-8 will maybe be 3-8 by the time people try them and see them on the road. If a second gen hits in 2024 that can do 250-300 miles and a proper EV designed from the ground up it will probably match 1-1 in builds. Got to remember some places like my home country are banning fossil new Car sales in 2030. We have had five MINI’s, two currently on the drive. Both bought split new one is a Nov 16 build now on 106,000 miles the other 2014 on 22k that does holiday and road trips. Yes the more special MINI that does holidays can do as little as 12 miles a week around town but it not being able to drive 200-300 miles before thinking about fuel in the highlands of Scotland or down to North Yorkshire for a tour around kills the SE for me. Second gen I will look again and range and price. In all honesty and we are MINI fans it must be a worry for BMW is that I’d never pay 30k for that top spec SE but would pay 40k for a model 3 in a heart beat.
Thanks for watching! Would you take this or a ICE Cooper S?
ICE iCE baby!!
ICE for me, but this is a very good start!
Range is an issue for this car. It is very much a local use car which fit with a lot of commuter journeys. Slow recharge rate as well.
Cooper S all day long
Is it so bad to have JCW kit on these? It looks so boring.
I'm surprised how many people think 100 miles range isn't practical and you need to hang around for hours to charge. This just isn't how it works, people are still thinking along how you run a ice car, run it to empty then fill up. I do about 40 to 50 miles a day in my Tesla mp3 which is around 15% of it charge. When I get home I just plug in and with just over an hour your topped up again it's so easy, no detour on your way too or from work to fill up with petrol and queuing to pay for your fuel whilst several people in front of you are paying for their Costa coffee. It saves me so much time every week. Let's face it petrol stations are busy places now. Went to Lake District half term 167miles from home, drove there charged from lodge all week, used the car all week. Drove home and pluged in when got back 520 miles in total for the week with day trips. Trust me you hardly ever use public charging because you're home or you're destination is your fuel station. You fuel you're car NOT in you're own time.
Richard Corns Absolutely spot on. Many ICE car users don’t yet understand the charging situation. So many of them claim to need an EV that can do 400 miles and recharge in 5 minutes. In other words, a nonsensical use case.
Richard Corns yes but not everyone has a drive way . So your point about charging from home is irrelevant. I won’t be buying an EV until I’m forced too . Congrats on your tesla but sound is important to me when buying a performance car 👍🏻
@@audirs142 Not to 60% of the uk population. I appreciate performance cars, run a F80 m3 before tesla 👍
I really like that it looks almost exactly like a normal Mini. Opt to get rid of the yellow accents and the average person wouldn’t be able to tell the difference.
It’s a pity the real world range isn’t better though.
Let's be honest - nobody buys a MINI if they're going to drive 120 miles every day, let alone an electric one!!
I think a mini, Peugeot 205e, Nissan Leaf etc will be peoples day to day car and then you can have a petrol car for the weekend and long distance blasts. The main stream manufactures have worked hard to make the small electric car appear no different to their ICE options. Also I think you are spot on, people will (and do) lease electric cars as there is a concern over battery life.
Mate, you are wearing a t-shirt with the Honda E on it hahaha
Haha yes I am 👌
Where did you get it from? It’s cool!
Joe, I love how you show footage of you in these cars while moving. Really gives me a sense of noise and harshness. Wish you would take a drive on the motorway at high speed. Would really love to hear the wind noise.
The range is the killer of me, 200 miles and I would buy one!
I think that increase in range would make a massive difference to most people.
I’m a Cooper S owner and love my little mini, I’d be very tempted with this electric version. I just don’t think the infrastructure for electric cars is there yet.
Yeah that's the main issue with EV's at the moment for sure! 👌
There are more electric charge points than petrol stations.
The Treagust Maybe in central London and the larger cities. Not nationwide though, and especially not in much of the North. It’s years off being practical for a huge percentage of the population.
The number of charge points is expanding in line with the number of cars.
Chris Abbott that seems like too much of a reactive approach; both the government and companies installing them need to be more proactive if they’re going to encourage mass adoption of pure electric cars.
I think the best option has to be the ‘entry’ car. £299 per month is pretty reasonable when taking everything into account. Home charging will be 4 hours, which is fine for most who reside in the same house each night. If Mini were to offer a similar option with the 5 door hatch then I’d be even closer to buying.
Really like the 50fps videos. Please keep them coming!
Thank you ❤️
5 degrees and you are in a T-shirt!! Great video mate, love to have a nose around the plant.
The plant tour is really good , and only £19 but I think now it’s only week days
Great visuals as usual Joe
Apologies I really don’t get EA vehicles, they cannot be recycled at anything like a conventional car. They aren’t environmentally friendly as electricity has to be generated in conventional ways.
Don’t buy them! We’ve only got another few years driving Petrol ⛽️ cars so let’s enjoy them while we can.
Sorry it’s a £200 pcm car.
Thanks buddy, yeah I don't personally agree with EV's, especially the bullshit around "zero emissions", there is no such thing as zero emissions unfortunately. But as a EV it does a decent job and for £25k it's the first well priced and well made one I've tried 👊
A lot of EV owners have their own solar panels so you don't 'have to' get your electricity from conventional sources. Some even have their own batteries in their homes.
Petrol head myself, but am thinking of one of these in Level 1 spec to replace our ageing second petrol car that we use for short commutes and when we both are using a car.
Great video quality and a great overview. As you said what a great time to test one....👍
Cheers man glad you liked it!
Nice review Joe, great work! Not much of an advert for blighty to any Americans watching your video (usual grey dull blighty p*ssing it down) god I miss New Zealand, I'm heading back to the sun as soon as I can. (I was born here, but had the sense to escape the UK)
Haha thanks man, yeah we've had months of this awful weather 😭
The rain sound is so noticeable in the quiet car, I actually thought it was raining here while watching it
Where I live there is no parking outside my house and there is only 1 charging bay for everyone in the town, so an electric car is out for me but in the future if its easier to charge and battery's last longer I will happily buy an electric car
This is a great review, cheers
Hi Joe, great review. Do you know when first deliveries are expected?
Thanks for a great clip
Anyone know how to get to the individual colours etc? I would love a midnight blue one but can’t get anymore than about 10 colours...
The auto equivalent of Mock Tudor.
but I do like it.
Top heavy? What are you talking about? It has a significantly lower CoG than the Cooper S, courtesy of its low mounted battery pack...despite the fact that it’s slightly taller.
I'm aware of that, but to drive it feels top heavy. Drive one first then question my findings bell end
They should've called it the min-E
Joe thanks again for this nice review. Always the best man. Couldn’t help noticing you lost some weight ?
It's a Mini adventure! (about 100 miles or so)
Good edit Joe 👍🏻
I’d rather have the petrol manual version thx
Looks like a good car for city driving. Keep the petrol car for the long road trips
Adrian Lee Burton the road trips I do are to Belgium,Germany,Luxembourg etc. I think a EV isn’t good enough for that and the EV infrastructure isn’t that great as yet. In the end the price will shoot up for electric charging points.
good review chap
Joe can you do a 0-70 kmh and an in gear one between a MINI SE and your M2C?
Sorry mate this was filmed a whole ago and only had the car for the day, don't have the budget to do do acceleration comparisons either unfortunately. The M2C would miles quicker to 70kph though
Joe Achilles I’ve got a M2C and am looking to add a GP. But I live in the city and think this may be a good option!
Great little cars, fast enough, normal enough (especially without those odd plug socket wheels) 👌
Joe Achilles thanks for your advice and video! 👍🏼👌🏼
Great Video Review
I can’t see how electric cars can be the future..... there’s just too many issues that make it nearly impossible to carry out. We can’t even get fibre optic broadband to everyone in the UK, yet alone a system that would be able to charge all these vehicles. I can’t even park outside my own house. How many people also buy new cars? I know too many people that can just about afford a very cheap second hand car. If your one of the lucky ones that could afford a second hand electric car there is a life expectancy on the battery pack... how much would that cost the new owner?
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All things that will be solved.
JohnnyZenith you sound like our Government
Sounds like an #Electric bike would be your best option ! or the #Bus or #Taxi ! Otherwise how are you going to travel in towns and cities when #ICE vehicles have been banned ?
@@tyrantwitness2482 so you believe that this country will ban internal combustion engines from towns and city's? That will never happen my friend.....99.9% of traffic in city's use ICE and that's a massive amount to change when you dont have the infrastructure I.e public transport, charging facilities
Richard Jones Richard you might like to see what's happening in cities in China, Korea and as has just been announced LA ! Check out videos from #FullyCharged Things are changing fast !
Great review and you nearly had my interest in this car until you said it's probably got a real world range of 100 miles, still not quite practical enough for real life I'm afraid. I was actually lucky enough to go onto the production line of the last of the original old Mini back in the early 90s, I think they badged them up as Italian job edition just to try and shift them, they would absolutely fly out the door if they brought them back now.
Cheers man, yeah a realistic range of 140-150 would make it far more viable for the majority
Joe Achilles and that is the new car range. When it’s had a few 100 cycles on it and the real world range is down to 80 miles it will then be somewhat limiting. I’m keeping my M2 Comp and a ancient diesel polo for the commute! When that dies maybe electric will be feasible, if it lasts 3 or 4 years. Interesting times.
So yet another EV without a practical range great
Not good but it's a start. I just want to know how much range you lose to get the fully JCW body kit on?
where do you people live that you need hundreds of miles of range at a time? I could drive from one end of my city to the other... and back... twice...
@@knifeyonline The countryside. No public transport. This car would be grand for most days but as soon as you would need to do a long journey (to the city) forget about it.
@@texasfran
It's a second car, for the city. Hence the 'citycar' label
You should really try a Zoe
Robin H Nowhere near as funky as the Mini-E, but it’s cheaper and has a sensible range that it double the Mini-E’s.
Humm, was that Soho Farmhouse Joe?
I'm guessing from the very expensive PCP quoted figure and deposit. The residuals on these are going to be very poor. You could buy an M135 for less.
Has Joe ever tested a Mercedes-AMG GT 4?
What a kool car
Should have had electric cars 40 years ago
Wasn't viable but yeah I wish.
Thank god we didn't,
Great video. I find it hard at the moment to become an Electrichead. There's some serious dispute how green EVs are at the moment with a 50%+ fossil fueled electricity grid. But change will happen.
“provided you have a “second” car to do long journeys”?? Which means a combustion vehicle. Even more so if you want to carry any load - if you run a business.
Which pretty much sums up the state of electric cars (vans and lorries).
Long journey? You mean Oxford to Birmingham and back - which is apparently not achievable in that mini in these conditions.
Sure, great car if you park it at your local railway station. That is the future of motoring in the U.K. by 2035 as enforced on us by our “politically correct” government.
I hope you "car youtubers" know how much influence you have on your viewers?!? I guess the car brands do... In the last two years you guys have made me buy a -17 Mini Countryman John Cooper Works, a -18 Range Rover Velar P380, -15 Cayman GT4, -17 Panamera 4S, a -12 Ferrari FF, and right now I`ve decided to order an electric Mini. Well I will be leasing that one.. I don`t have the balls to buy electric. Never tried any of the cars before getting them, fully trusting you guys ;) You`ll see some of it on my instagram @clausphresberg. Really like your channel. Keep it coming!
Haha that's both good and nerve racking to hear 😂 I will check your Instagram, thanks for supporting my channel 👌
Nah not there yet, needs to beat petrol for range and performance. Battery tech still has a long way to go, all the ev's are far too heavy. Think in 3 or 4 years they will be much better
It doesn't need to beat petrol for range and yes they will be far superior by then. Tesla are already far ahead on battery tech.
so the title is "is the 25k mini electric any good" and you are driving a car that costs nearly 31k
This would be very attractive as a town car with a proper range - need 200 miles minimum to make it practical. Bear in-mind batteries also lose their capacity with age. Longevity of batteries is also a question mark leading to an accelerating depreciation curve over time whereas petrol engine cars tend to flatten depreciation after 3 years.
I drove one and I was completely impressed
If I could get this top level one for £250 a month... With no deposit! ... I’d probably get one... They’re on about putting charging points at work and my commute is 20 miles each way... Hmmm 🤔 I’m going to get on the configurator...
A Mini every 67 seconds and i have to wait 12 weeks min .mmmmm!!!!
the factories been shut for 2 months , the term backlog comes to mind
Talking performance and comparing it to the S, a £400 stage 1 remap brings the S to 280BHP. My point is, this is cute but if you're serious, get the ICE variant.
You obviously have never driven an electric car with high torque and strong regeneration on country roads
@@michaelherlihy2090 Have you ever driven an F56 Cooper S on country roads before?
@@Quaddriver2 I'm sure it's great but when you go electric, you don't go back. I drove Tesla model 3 performance on country roads in Norway once. AWD with 400hp... put that into a Cooper works chassis. BMW executives have fupped up here by not making this car more compelling as it could have been in the same way Honda has with the Honda e. The Peugeot e208 beats them both.
@@michaelherlihy2090 My comment was based on this video, so Cooper S vs Cooper E and I stand by my opinion that this E-version is far from as great as the ICE-variant. Not only performance wise (heavier, slow v-max), but also looks (not sporty, higher ride) and daily practicality (milage).
Regarding your model 3 performance experience, I suggest you also drive a similar 400HP AWD ICE platform on that same road and let me know how much more smiles that car gave you...
@@Quaddriver2 you're using ICE car metrics for an electric car. You didn't answer my question so obviously you haven't driven one so you can't really judge something you have no experience of. What gives you smiles depends on your preference... I prefer to have the better torque and the responsiveness of the electric than the noise with less
responsiveness and torque. It's a pity BMW fudged this electric mini to save on costs. It should have been a £30 to 35k car.
So the EV will make about 130KM normal driving & the petrol version will do about 500Km. I would have thought 180Km minimum for the EV. Now I see why they selling 8 ice to one EV. This company want there cake & eat it.
Frank Stocker That 1-8 will maybe be 3-8 by the time people try them and see them on the road. If a second gen hits in 2024 that can do 250-300 miles and a proper EV designed from the ground up it will probably match 1-1 in builds. Got to remember some places like my home country are banning fossil new Car sales in 2030. We have had five MINI’s, two currently on the drive. Both bought split new one is a Nov 16 build now on 106,000 miles the other 2014 on 22k that does holiday and road trips. Yes the more special MINI that does holidays can do as little as 12 miles a week around town but it not being able to drive 200-300 miles before thinking about fuel in the highlands of Scotland or down to North Yorkshire for a tour around kills the SE for me. Second gen I will look again and range and price. In all honesty and we are MINI fans it must be a worry for BMW is that I’d never pay 30k for that top spec SE but would pay 40k for a model 3 in a heart beat.
Excellent car to make electric
Nope.
Honda E is much more exciting
I have zero desire for an electric car...
I very much want one.
JohnnyZenith lol Very boring to drive and disconnected from the road . No sound is no emotion
That one is over 30k