Zombies are a little mean and try to flank you, but did you know you could confuse them with a push? / retanaru Build 41.78 Song: FF9 - World Map Theme
Have you considered doing a deep dive into the various navigation options? After playing with Random for a while I noticed a few weird things and wonder if they have to do with the various navigation settings. Zombies that can open doors (and windows) can activate house alarms, for example, or at least that's what I think was happening, as house alarms kept going off all around me despite every setting about zombies being able to activate them being off. I also noticed some zombies walking around fences rather than taking the most direct path through them and tripping on them. I think it might be interesting to check out what each navigation setting entails. Cheers :)
Doubt its something to do with random navigation, I had a consistent record of alarm triggers with normal zombies and without settings turned on. I think its either a bug/unintended, or a new random event like a gunshot or a scream
This explains a lot about why I like fighting hordes on a diagonal. I could never put it into words, but I always felt like the diagonal was just the better way to fight. Guess I can finally put words as to why
this. for me, it's because I can't gauge distance as easily in the vertical lanes, so it's harder to time my swings, especially if you have aim outlines turned off.
I did actually notice them fanning out on the outside and then forming an arc that closes around you pretty much, if you let them. In reality, I think it's really good from gameplay perspective, because it strikes fear, as there is no clear path out between the zombies and you tend to panic. In this game, what kills you is panic. And not the moodle one. Things to do when encountering horde you cannot comfortably loot? Leave Come back next day when zombies shambled a little. This game can be very forgiving, if you dance in it's rythm and don't try to naked rush into Louisville
Anytime I accidently find myself kiting vertically I almost always stop because it looks so weird when they are actually in range their model practically overlapping your own
I love it when you make videos on things that we maybe subconciously know from playing the game a bunch, but maybe never really put our finger on. Lots of light bulb moments on this channel.
I had the push/stop thing happen yesterday kiting 3 zeds around a car. I didn't really think much of it when one stood up and stopped pathing to me, other than "that's handy" but it suggests it's tied to not having a direct path to the character. With how awkward vertical fighting is, that's interesting but hard to use info. There might be some advantages with certain firearms though. The M16 for example has low crit but high penetration if I remember correctly.
the pathing one is extremely helpful when shooting guns (like the m16) that deal "collateral" damage. It is much easier to kill 2 zombies with one bullet and save ammo. very cool finding!!
Is this why circling zombies makes them bunch up? Because going into the verticle line makes them bunch up? If so could you bunch up zombies more quickly by walking upwards?
Corners are alright, but fighting the brainfarts while standing near trees is HORRIFYING. If you happen to be standing next to a tree, the brainfarts can actually take a swipe at you without becoming visible.
Hello , Retanaru! After playing with 16x popultion and having an urge to clear massive hordes of zombies again and again on the same old streets , I got a strong feeling that zombies' clothings arent based on their initial spawn but rather their location when they enter loaded chunks . For example , i cleared most of the surrondings of LV army checkpoint(and lived there) , but when i went southern after surviving for several month i met literally thousands of zombies in army clothes . Could you somehow check this mechanic out , please?
You're right. Simulated zombies seem to inherit the outfit type of where they first spawn. If you can position yourself so that zombies are spawning in near a police station you will get way more police outfits. In your case they were all near the military checkpoint so they became military zombies.
May be a bit unrelated, but it's another weird PZ thing I've been wondering about and never fully understood which is the newest loot rarity setting 'none,' and how it fully works. I've been playing a few games recently where I tried out setting every loot rarity to none, and it really makes for an interesting but barren world. Even in combination with the zone/vehicle/house events that can leave items on the ground, those get removed too. However, there are some oddities: many offices with desks will still have some loot like pens and books. I think I still found pizza in pizza whirled as well. The 'other' loot rarity says that it affects foraging as well, but doesn't go into details. I was curious to know what all persists in these loot rarity 'none' worlds and what all is removed from foraging, since the tool tip in the sandbox is so vague. Another loot example was that none of the zombies had cigarettes, so taking that trait would be really hard, but would it be impossible? Could you forage one or no from a changed foraging loot table?
I like to imagine the reason zombies move like this instead of a perfect straight line to you is because they actually are trying to head straight to you but their decomposing legs/feet keep messing it up
I've noticed zombies pathing to where I was 10 seconds ago even when they can still see me, so long as I don't get within 4 squares of them they walk to a certain point then turn around and path to me again. This seems to happen a lot when I am near a fence.
If you watch my older pathfinding video it explains it better, but when they have to path around something, such as a fence or car they create a specific path that they will finish unless they get too close to you. Makes it very easy to lose them if you know whats up.
I absolutely hate fighting them vertically. I constantly miss because it's hard to gauge distance. I have noticed this pathing quirk, so I kite diagonally from the horde inorder to counter it. You need nimble 4 or 5 to do it, but fighting hordes before that milestone is pretty silly anyway.
You need significantly less nimble (virtually none) if you just focus on leveling a weapon type this not only increases the likeliness you get one/two shots but also increases your attack speed making the dreaded nimble grind much less necessary
@@ChromePyramid NImble is THE skill for positioning and defense. If you have nimble 4, the dreaded bathroom zombie party can be countered by backing away in combat stance before turning tail. try that with lower nimble and they catch up and eat you. So avoiding the nimble grind is counterproductive.
@@ChromePyramid the amount of attacks you need to kill a zombie is insignificant compared to the amount of attacks a zombie needs to land on you to end your run. Nimble 4 is the minimum.
@@OfficialExplosionMusic if you are one shoting zombies because you leveled a particular weapon you need significantly less nimble to kite because you one shot zombies on the edge of your range instead of needing to constantly reposition I'm not saying nimble isn't an important skill but it takes far longer to level nimble to 3/4 then practically just maxing long blunt or axe
@@Totallynotkyubey I'm not saying nimble isn't important but it is in fact one of the skills that takes longer to grind (I know you can afk grind it) Without a doubt the easiest/fastest way to get strong is power leveling a weapon skill to max
Holy shit there are zombies in this game??
It looks edited, fake
average riverside fan
@@aquarius5264 guilty.. only going out for hunting time
@@aquarius5264nahh riverside is much more populated than rosewood
@@justusP9101 depends where you stay.. aquarius5264 knows 😉😉
"But the line of zombies is much easier to handle this way."
"Eugh... not worth fighting vertically."
I prefer fighting in compass directions along low fences. That way excess zombies regularly fall over the fence and slim the congo line.
@@fahrradmittelfranken8207 good one!
Wow. 2 solid findings. Great vid, Retanaru.
No excess, just the facts
Have you considered doing a deep dive into the various navigation options? After playing with Random for a while I noticed a few weird things and wonder if they have to do with the various navigation settings. Zombies that can open doors (and windows) can activate house alarms, for example, or at least that's what I think was happening, as house alarms kept going off all around me despite every setting about zombies being able to activate them being off. I also noticed some zombies walking around fences rather than taking the most direct path through them and tripping on them.
I think it might be interesting to check out what each navigation setting entails. Cheers :)
Agree, these would be nice
Doubt its something to do with random navigation, I had a consistent record of alarm triggers with normal zombies and without settings turned on. I think its either a bug/unintended, or a new random event like a gunshot or a scream
This explains a lot about why I like fighting hordes on a diagonal. I could never put it into words, but I always felt like the diagonal was just the better way to fight. Guess I can finally put words as to why
this. for me, it's because I can't gauge distance as easily in the vertical lanes, so it's harder to time my swings, especially if you have aim outlines turned off.
I did actually notice them fanning out on the outside and then forming an arc that closes around you pretty much, if you let them. In reality, I think it's really good from gameplay perspective, because it strikes fear, as there is no clear path out between the zombies and you tend to panic.
In this game, what kills you is panic. And not the moodle one.
Things to do when encountering horde you cannot comfortably loot? Leave
Come back next day when zombies shambled a little. This game can be very forgiving, if you dance in it's rythm and don't try to naked rush into Louisville
Anytime I accidently find myself kiting vertically I almost always stop because it looks so weird when they are actually in range their model practically overlapping your own
damn that was like two videos in a half a video gj homie
also love the music
Vanilla shotgun on vertical congo line.
I love it when you make videos on things that we maybe subconciously know from playing the game a bunch, but maybe never really put our finger on. Lots of light bulb moments on this channel.
Damn right I don't like to fight vertically.
I had the push/stop thing happen yesterday kiting 3 zeds around a car. I didn't really think much of it when one stood up and stopped pathing to me, other than "that's handy" but it suggests it's tied to not having a direct path to the character.
With how awkward vertical fighting is, that's interesting but hard to use info. There might be some advantages with certain firearms though. The M16 for example has low crit but high penetration if I remember correctly.
When training weapons, the cone of fire starts low. When they form a solid line, that part is solved
I guess fighting zombies to the top of the screen when you're at the bottom would be best but I think we all hate veritcal fighting
I noticed this. Mostly favor killing vertically for a while. Obviously viewport wise this sucks but it makes the zombies conga line super well
retanaru uploads... i click
the pathing one is extremely helpful when shooting guns (like the m16) that deal "collateral" damage. It is much easier to kill 2 zombies with one bullet and save ammo. very cool finding!!
My friend and I refer to all manner of zombie ambushes, and this phenomenon as "zombie tactics"
Is this why circling zombies makes them bunch up? Because going into the verticle line makes them bunch up? If so could you bunch up zombies more quickly by walking upwards?
This isn't useless at all. I like to walk in circles to get zombies packed closely together. Now I'll walk in tall rectangles instead.
Banger music, nice choice
Corners are alright, but fighting the brainfarts while standing near trees is HORRIFYING. If you happen to be standing next to a tree, the brainfarts can actually take a swipe at you without becoming visible.
Just used my first shotgun (after 3k kills in this run) and now I know how to easier train it, thanks
I wan ask a questions. There was setting call light update can set to 5 sec to 60 sec but what setting make the game lag or better fps boot
nah i think it's your turn again m8
Hello , Retanaru! After playing with 16x popultion and having an urge to clear massive hordes of zombies again and again on the same old streets , I got a strong feeling that zombies' clothings arent based on their initial spawn but rather their location when they enter loaded chunks . For example , i cleared most of the surrondings of LV army checkpoint(and lived there) , but when i went southern after surviving for several month i met literally thousands of zombies in army clothes . Could you somehow check this mechanic out , please?
You're right. Simulated zombies seem to inherit the outfit type of where they first spawn. If you can position yourself so that zombies are spawning in near a police station you will get way more police outfits. In your case they were all near the military checkpoint so they became military zombies.
Silly zombels
May be a bit unrelated, but it's another weird PZ thing I've been wondering about and never fully understood which is the newest loot rarity setting 'none,' and how it fully works. I've been playing a few games recently where I tried out setting every loot rarity to none, and it really makes for an interesting but barren world. Even in combination with the zone/vehicle/house events that can leave items on the ground, those get removed too. However, there are some oddities: many offices with desks will still have some loot like pens and books. I think I still found pizza in pizza whirled as well. The 'other' loot rarity says that it affects foraging as well, but doesn't go into details. I was curious to know what all persists in these loot rarity 'none' worlds and what all is removed from foraging, since the tool tip in the sandbox is so vague. Another loot example was that none of the zombies had cigarettes, so taking that trait would be really hard, but would it be impossible? Could you forage one or no from a changed foraging loot table?
I like to imagine the reason zombies move like this instead of a perfect straight line to you is because they actually are trying to head straight to you but their decomposing legs/feet keep messing it up
As it seems, devs really want you to make a konga lines, maybe one of the devs really likes dancing 😂
I love these zomboid info videos
Thanks for all the knowledge you put out dude.
I've noticed zombies pathing to where I was 10 seconds ago even when they can still see me, so long as I don't get within 4 squares of them they walk to a certain point then turn around and path to me again. This seems to happen a lot when I am near a fence.
If you watch my older pathfinding video it explains it better, but when they have to path around something, such as a fence or car they create a specific path that they will finish unless they get too close to you. Makes it very easy to lose them if you know whats up.
oooo ty I will look into it, I'm already using it when I can but would like to understand it better so I can make it happen when I want to!@@Retanaru
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I absolutely hate fighting them vertically. I constantly miss because it's hard to gauge distance. I have noticed this pathing quirk, so I kite diagonally from the horde inorder to counter it. You need nimble 4 or 5 to do it, but fighting hordes before that milestone is pretty silly anyway.
You need significantly less nimble (virtually none) if you just focus on leveling a weapon type this not only increases the likeliness you get one/two shots but also increases your attack speed making the dreaded nimble grind much less necessary
@@ChromePyramid NImble is THE skill for positioning and defense. If you have nimble 4, the dreaded bathroom zombie party can be countered by backing away in combat stance before turning tail. try that with lower nimble and they catch up and eat you. So avoiding the nimble grind is counterproductive.
@@ChromePyramid the amount of attacks you need to kill a zombie is insignificant compared to the amount of attacks a zombie needs to land on you to end your run. Nimble 4 is the minimum.
@@OfficialExplosionMusic if you are one shoting zombies because you leveled a particular weapon you need significantly less nimble to kite because you one shot zombies on the edge of your range instead of needing to constantly reposition I'm not saying nimble isn't an important skill but it takes far longer to level nimble to 3/4 then practically just maxing long blunt or axe
@@Totallynotkyubey I'm not saying nimble isn't important but it is in fact one of the skills that takes longer to grind (I know you can afk grind it) Without a doubt the easiest/fastest way to get strong is power leveling a weapon skill to max
The first guy said egg so I guess egg it is