I was thinking about how in a regular dice 7 is the highest probability with a plus and minus of 1, here would be interesting to determine it, there are magnets so E&M is our friction and not a surface
Yep. Though they've got one downside: cheap magnets have a surprising amount of variance in strength. Unless you pick carefully, you'll get weighted dice. And if you pick carefully, you might get...weighted dice..... I might have an idea now...
Nice job 👍 It really looks amazing. When you laser etched the numbers, the numbers opposite each other should add up to 7, like a pair of dice. For example 6 opposite 1 (equals 7), 5 opposite 2 (equals 7) and 4 opposite 3 (equals 7). This will give a more random result like a pair of dice.
That was soooo incredibly satisfying to watch, damn! It's amazing to just look at that cilinder be shaped bit by bit. Also, the end product? Gorgeous. Simply gorgeous. Also: very jealous of the professional gear you have available! Nice!
Now record pairs of a consecutive 1000 runs and let math geeks analyze whether the starting position and almost same applied force creates a bias in this set. I would bet that: a) starting position will have a great impact on a result and b) two dice would be dependent
The placement of the magnets seems like it could influence the results if not done accurately... just guessing as I didn't get a good look at where they were inserted. Cool project.
Yup. One finger spinning both cylinders simultaneously would create a bias. Only reason I went to the comments was to see if anyone agreed. Flanking both cylinders although would require 2 separate rolls. Just a thought
I love this. I would be so tempted to leave the magnets out though, so every spin is a game all its own, just watching them spin for far too long. Great work.
I'm impressed with your patience. I'm a toolmaker so I use full sized machine tools and I get frustrated with the removal rates of them sometimes hehehe. That's some nice work.
On real dice, the values of opposing sides always add to 7, so 6 is opposite to 1, 2 to 5 and 3 to 4. Maybe you like to implement it in the next version.
Yes! And more importantly perhaps, adjacent sides should avoid adjacent numbers, to make the outcome less predictable. The order 1, 4, 2, 6, 3, 5 (cyclically repeating) looks forced to me. Also, perhaps make it less easy to turn both wheels with one swoop, because now it may be too easy to keep the wheels in the same relative orientation. Although that would admittedly affect the aesthetic.
I've always had a strange obsession with dice, and collect six sided. I tend to like the unique one's, and this is just too cool! Want one soon bad! I might use your idea and make a wooden one, because I don't have the machinery to create a metal one. Brilliant idea!
@@ivarlaupet8972 a regular 6 sided die, a face has a chance of jumping to 4 other adjacent faces and the opposite face. This wheel, you can only go to another number in sequence (doesn't have to be 1,2,3,4,5,6. It can be any sequence).
This is a very interesting approach. With it, you can have a D2, a D3, a D4, (probably) a D5, (as you've shown here) a D6, (probably) a D7, a D8, a D9, a D10... the only ones that would tend to be difficult would be some of the prime numbers. You've just answered the dreams of the Dungeonmasters.
This came out looking fantastic, but part of me feels that there should be some slight weight distribution difference between the two dice wheels so they have slightly different momentums while spinning, increasing the likelihood of a properly randomized roll. Also adjusting the number order on the side so opposite sides pair for seven would be a great touch. Outside of my little gripes, that was some fantastic machining, and a really cool project.
I have a set of round d6s they are hollow with a diamond shaped interior and the external numbers correspond with the six corners of the diamond and a spherical weight ensures that one, they don't just roll off of the table and two, that a number always shows on the top.
@@davelahoud1256 It doesn't. Dots add up to 7 for the 6th and 1st face, which means they are adding up to seven adjacently for two faces. By "across", he probably means that he'd have preferred the faces to opposite to each other, as in a real dice.
@@dr.doppeldecker3832 The middle magnet reaches both outside surfaces of the middle section. I'll try to explain it with a diagram and N and S being the poles of the magnets. |First Die > N| |S < Middle > N| |S < Second Die|
If you do decide to make a set of five dice, an idea would be to make a stainless steel (ss), brass, ss, brass, and so on. Perhaps even making the indicator arrows alternate, also. Yes, if you make them, I would be interested; however, I do not like spending money. You really did an awesome work on design and finished product!
The sum of the numbers on opposite faces should be 7 i know it is round, but it still a 6 side dice. it really bug me when 1 is next to 6. btw what a cool idea
Seriously killer . Madness . I like you creations . Years ago I saw a hollow gram at a mall . The hollow gram was a woman turning toward you and opening her robe you didn't see anything of course , the thing was on a cassette motor . As the motor turned the hollow gram turned . Instead of turning your head . He was saying don't turn your head I'll turn it for you . When look at the average hollow gram , you have to turn your head
This is actually 1D, but curved around a circle.Everything that matters is a single line around the cylinder. if you think about it, the thickness is only for the numbers so you know how much did it spin. The hard thing would be to make an actual 3D dice. Now that would have to have a 3D surface and spin in 4D Good luck have fun with that
Now make 1 with all the dice factored in, you can do it without magnets. Change materials for each or just alternate. Copper, bronze, stainless... Would be cool to see a black anodized set.
It's really cool I like how whatever number it lands on its that same exact number all the way around the dice so if it lands on 7 its 7's all the way around the dice
That's awesome, but there is a small problem:it cannot go in numerical order; because a die or dice value, equals 7 . The top number and the bottom number always equal 7 , 6+1, 5+2, 4+3, so your numbering should be 6,5,4,1,2,3 .
Im not sure but shouldnt having the numbers in order of 1,4,2,6,3,5 be a better distribution, like how on normal d6 dice the opposite numbers are 7 together, i know it wont make any difference on the outcome, its still mostly random.
Yeah odd choice not to at least Loctite the shaft in. I was thinking that it didn't spin for very long considering that's a heavy hunk of 40mm round stainless. Then swap out the bearings for metal seals instead of rubber to lower the running friction and maybe even pop the seals out and remove some grease. Honestly I'd probably just use bushings in this case, low load and relatively low speed.
This is really a fun idea. Maybe I'll make one as well, but I would make it with three and with the pointers pointing upwards, but not higher than the rotating wheels. Never the less, it is a very nice work, I won't be able to make it this nice.
@@ivarlaupet8972 dude shut up. it is to be argued that making the thing in the first place was a waste of time. nothing is a waste of time if you are enjoying it.
Beautiful piece of art, but not totally random, especially with the magnets. There is a higher chance of hitting a certain number when starting from a given number than with dice. Good attempt.
I like the execution but not sure how this is better than the original dice. I think the chance element has been removed here. Like I said, love the craftsmanship...
Your small machine lathe is it manual? Cnc? What make. How can i make such a precision setup myself. You have it set up so you can rotate the chuck to specific points and a drill above. Was that expensive and difficult.. how how how
That's cool but with round dice if you start on the same two numbers and use your maximum spin force they should always land on the same two numbers so it'd be kinda easy to control the roll
Do you want to buy such dice? I can make them.
Did you think of doing them in other sizes? d4,10,20, or 100s?
I would love to get a D20 like this
@@CelticClown23 I need to think about it.
YEEESSSS ^^ Could you, please, estimate the price ? Such a gorgeous work 👍
@@WM_Levsha I know I'd buy one for a D100
Would be interesting to see the results of 120 spins to check the distribution across the numbers.
Even if distribution would be uniform, it might happen that numbers are dependent on the angle of dice before spin. That also would make it unfair.
Probably just 1/6 for every number lol
You'd need much more for a reasonable confidence in the fairness of these 'dice'. Any slight imbalance or local roughness will make them unfair.
I was thinking about how in a regular dice 7 is the highest probability with a plus and minus of 1, here would be interesting to determine it, there are magnets so E&M is our friction and not a surface
120 is not enough
Wow! The magnets are such a simple yet brilliant idea and so elegant.
Yep. Though they've got one downside: cheap magnets have a surprising amount of variance in strength. Unless you pick carefully, you'll get weighted dice.
And if you pick carefully, you might get...weighted dice..... I might have an idea now...
@@johannesmajamaki2626 then change the setup a little: 1 Magnet in the frame, 6 little screws in the dice wheels.
@@jBurn_ Or 1 magnet and 6 precision cut steel discs. Differences in the steel masses would also give a small “weighted dice” effect.
The magnets are exactly the thing that makes this device untenable.
i'd definitly buy them if the numbers on opposides sides of the "dice" add up to 7 like a regualr square dice
Totally agree!
Wait what? I've never noticed 😲😲😲
61 5:2 43 34 25 16 no matter how the dates of sheets you can always equal 7
They add up to 6. Not 7.
@@HollowRoll I stand corrected. Thank u
Nice job 👍 It really looks amazing. When you laser etched the numbers, the numbers opposite each other should add up to 7, like a pair of dice. For example 6 opposite 1 (equals 7), 5 opposite 2 (equals 7) and 4 opposite 3 (equals 7). This will give a more random result like a pair of dice.
Such nice idea. Using magnets to stop the piece is pure genious!
The knob on the animated caliper compass in the intro isn't attached to the slide lol, it's so annoying
Literally unwatchable now. ;)
That was soooo incredibly satisfying to watch, damn! It's amazing to just look at that cilinder be shaped bit by bit. Also, the end product? Gorgeous. Simply gorgeous. Also: very jealous of the professional gear you have available! Nice!
Now record pairs of a consecutive 1000 runs and let math geeks analyze whether the starting position and almost same applied force creates a bias in this set. I would bet that: a) starting position will have a great impact on a result and b) two dice would be dependent
Yep! I was thinking the same!
I'm highly skeptical this will be an effective RNG
The placement of the magnets seems like it could influence the results if not done accurately... just guessing as I didn't get a good look at where they were inserted. Cool project.
Yup. One finger spinning both cylinders simultaneously would create a bias. Only reason I went to the comments was to see if anyone agreed. Flanking both cylinders although would require 2 separate rolls. Just a thought
@@sideshowbob1776 even if triggered one after the other it should be cake to train yourself to use the same force / speed of rolling
I love this. I would be so tempted to leave the magnets out though, so every spin is a game all its own, just watching them spin for far too long.
Great work.
I'm impressed with your patience. I'm a toolmaker so I use full sized machine tools and I get frustrated with the removal rates of them sometimes hehehe. That's some nice work.
I bet you have the most entertaining desk in the world. You can't get bored in your office.
Extremely splendid craftsmanship!! Neatness is especially noteworthy.
looks like you had a wheely good time making this.
On real dice, the values of opposing sides always add to 7, so 6 is opposite to 1, 2 to 5 and 3 to 4. Maybe you like to implement it in the next version.
and the problem with those he made is that if you know them you kan learn to cheat it.
Yes! And more importantly perhaps, adjacent sides should avoid adjacent numbers, to make the outcome less predictable.
The order 1, 4, 2, 6, 3, 5 (cyclically repeating) looks forced to me.
Also, perhaps make it less easy to turn both wheels with one swoop, because now it may be too easy to keep the wheels in the same relative orientation. Although that would admittedly affect the aesthetic.
@@landsgevaer i whould say each one has to have 2 or 3 times each number. and in diffrend spots evry time then you cant cheat it.
I've always had a strange obsession with dice, and collect six sided. I tend to like the unique one's, and this is just too cool! Want one soon bad! I might use your idea and make a wooden one, because I don't have the machinery to create a metal one. Brilliant idea!
this is really cool
Every once in awhile a new genius make their appearance on UA-cam. Congratulations W&M Levsha
I'd love to have one, ever think of doing a D20?
Found the dnd player every one! But yeah for an artificer this would be really nice
Hail Hydra!
I'd be one too
That's what I was thinking!
Among all the videos I've watched, yours are the most inspiring ones. Keep up the great work👍👍👍
Shouldn't the Six be opposite the One, all opposition numbers adding up to Seven?
@Nobita You're right, but it's not necessary here.
@Nobita
It still wouldn't match an actual cube dice in terms of probability and rng.
@@2010ngojo why not
@@ivarlaupet8972
a regular 6 sided die, a face has a chance of jumping to 4 other adjacent faces and the opposite face. This wheel, you can only go to another number in sequence (doesn't have to be 1,2,3,4,5,6. It can be any sequence).
@@2010ngojo Oh, I see
The probabilities are same, just a little expensive and more aesthetic!
Nice work! 😍
That is gorgeous, both in terms of the end product and the wonderful skills involved in making it.
I would like to place my order now for a set!!!!
Muy original y muy bonito. Estupendo trabajo. Un saludo y cuidese. Very original and very beautiful. Great job. Greetings and take care.
i absolutely adore this idea. im gonna steal this one day once if i get have the money and equipment to create my own things
This is a very interesting approach.
With it, you can have a D2, a D3, a D4, (probably) a D5, (as you've shown here) a D6, (probably) a D7, a D8, a D9, a D10... the only ones that would tend to be difficult would be some of the prime numbers.
You've just answered the dreams of the Dungeonmasters.
Why didn't you make OPPOSITE numbers on the Dice wheels ADD TO 7 similar to opposite sides of dice?
Beautiful work.
This came out looking fantastic, but part of me feels that there should be some slight weight distribution difference between the two dice wheels so they have slightly different momentums while spinning, increasing the likelihood of a properly randomized roll. Also adjusting the number order on the side so opposite sides pair for seven would be a great touch. Outside of my little gripes, that was some fantastic machining, and a really cool project.
Your tools and machinery are amazing..MUCH TALENT!!
I have a set of round d6s they are hollow with a diamond shaped interior and the external numbers correspond with the six corners of the diamond and a spherical weight ensures that one, they don't just roll off of the table and two, that a number always shows on the top.
That's amazing! A dice spinner instead of making dice that can roll on a table or dice tray! Keep up the good work! New fan here!
The dots should add up to seven across the bearing axis, other than that - just perfect :)
I've been staring at this comment wondering why - I'm confused - does this not do that?
@@davelahoud1256 It doesn't. Dots add up to 7 for the 6th and 1st face, which means they are adding up to seven adjacently for two faces. By "across", he probably means that he'd have preferred the faces to opposite to each other, as in a real dice.
Great idea! You can make it with any number of choices: 2, 4, 6, 8 and 10. For a RPG player, it's a paradise!
Very nice. Love your sound tracks as well
Never have to pick up dice and pass them around pure genius hats off to you sir💪👍😎
I feel like the numbers being in sequence and it only spinning in one axis makes the outcome more easily controllable.
This is great, but I think having a single magnet between the dice so that it's not showing on the outside would look better.
But you need 12 magnets, one for each number of the dice.
@@dr.doppeldecker3832 Not if you have through holes for the base magnets. Then the dice magnets can attract to either pole.
@@MrAlexWClark i don't understand what you want to say
@@dr.doppeldecker3832 The middle magnet reaches both outside surfaces of the middle section. I'll try to explain it with a diagram and N and S being the poles of the magnets.
|First Die > N| |S < Middle > N| |S < Second Die|
If you do decide to make a set of five dice, an idea would be to make a stainless steel (ss), brass, ss, brass, and so on. Perhaps even making the indicator arrows alternate, also.
Yes, if you make them, I would be interested; however, I do not like spending money.
You really did an awesome work on design and finished product!
Loving the jam, so smooth
Super cool! these would be absolutely perfect for my younger boys to use rather then regular dice.
The sum of the numbers on opposite faces should be 7
i know it is round, but it still a 6 side dice. it really bug me when 1 is next to 6.
btw what a cool idea
That is what I was thinking. The numbers should be: 1,2,3,6,5,4.
Does it matter? It still won't have the same probability of a six sided dice.
Seriously killer . Madness . I like you creations . Years ago I saw a hollow gram at a mall . The hollow gram was a woman turning toward you and opening her robe you didn't see anything of course , the thing was on a cassette motor . As the motor turned the hollow gram turned . Instead of turning your head . He was saying don't turn your head I'll turn it for you . When look at the average hollow gram , you have to turn your head
All that specialized machinery you have is insane
I like the way you over complicate everything! Keep it going
"alrighty we have made dice for the second dimension..."
"Now for the first."
Already done it. Wrote 1 through 6 on paper, then draw from box.
@@jeffmckenzie7282 1D is literally just a line, you know this, right?
This is actually 1D, but curved around a circle.Everything that matters is a single line around the cylinder. if you think about it, the thickness is only for the numbers so you know how much did it spin. The hard thing would be to make an actual 3D dice. Now that would have to have a 3D surface and spin in 4D Good luck have fun with that
I love it.. this channel reminds me of Clickspring but with CNC
Excellent project and video, your skills are very impressive to me.
Now make 1 with all the dice factored in, you can do it without magnets. Change materials for each or just alternate. Copper, bronze, stainless... Would be cool to see a black anodized set.
Awesome idea, brilliant result!
It's really cool I like how whatever number it lands on its that same exact number all the way around the dice so if it lands on 7 its 7's all the way around the dice
That's awesome, but there is a small problem:it cannot go in numerical order; because a die or dice value, equals 7 . The top number and the bottom number always equal 7 , 6+1, 5+2, 4+3, so your numbering should be 6,5,4,1,2,3 .
This is one of the VERY FEW channels I hit the like button on before watching the video.
Well shoot I can't live without one of these
Absolutely stunning! Good design is the perfect equilibrium of effective engineering and art. And these are sublime. Subscribed!
Your shop must be as amazing as your work.
I'd like to see it.
Im not sure but shouldnt having the numbers in order of 1,4,2,6,3,5 be a better distribution, like how on normal d6 dice the opposite numbers are 7 together, i know it wont make any difference on the outcome, its still mostly random.
that seems really easy to game, people would memorize exactly how much pressure needed to finess those dice to whatever number u want lol
the bearings don't work - your pin is rotating in the brass 8:48
Yeah odd choice not to at least Loctite the shaft in. I was thinking that it didn't spin for very long considering that's a heavy hunk of 40mm round stainless. Then swap out the bearings for metal seals instead of rubber to lower the running friction and maybe even pop the seals out and remove some grease. Honestly I'd probably just use bushings in this case, low load and relatively low speed.
Wow.. That is a real beautiful work
This is really a fun idea. Maybe I'll make one as well, but I would make it with three and with the pointers pointing upwards, but not higher than the rotating wheels. Never the less, it is a very nice work, I won't be able to make it this nice.
the drill bit in your tail stock is wobbling
все не знал, как Левше ставить по 2 лайка за ролик )
теперь вот знаю, спасибо :)
тем чем занимаешь реально офигенно.
Just watched this in 4k... What a beauty ! Thanks.
Very cool idea and beautifully made. But I doubt anyone serious about gambling or gaming would trust this. It is the very essence of loaded die.
It is beautiful, where can I buy it?
Workshop tour? You have some really cool tools!
Fantastic! I notice you didn't put numbers opposite each other... As in cube dice. 6 opposite 1 etc.
Fantastic work!
I think a modular version where you can add and remove dice would also be nice. Great job though!
Amazing!!! So beautiful! Where I can buy it?
So original! I love it! 😍👍🏻
a DnD set would go down well with ever-shrinking table space :D
I'd love to see this spun up with compressed air and watch it roll and roll and roll :)
that is an amazing idea
@@marchey304 ...or a waste of time
@@ivarlaupet8972 dude shut up. it is to be argued that making the thing in the first place was a waste of time. nothing is a waste of time if you are enjoying it.
@@marchey304 I was just kidding, after all I’m sitting here watching UA-cam.
@@ivarlaupet8972 ah alright. but hey, if you’re enjoying your time watching yt then that’s all that matters.
Beautiful piece of art, but not totally random, especially with the magnets. There is a higher chance of hitting a certain number when starting from a given number than with dice. Good attempt.
you can actually see this at the end of the video, the two numbers stayed closed together after each spin
It's remarkable what you can make with over $100k worth of machining equipment
Beautiful build! Sharing on The Awesomer.
What cnc model is that! Beautiful work!!
They don't seem to run at the same speed. Did you check the polarity of the magnets before gluing them?
Superbe travail, l'idée est excellente.
You should totally make 2d10 like this
Man, I wish I could come play with all of your awesome toys (the machining equipment, but also the toys you make with them!)
The magnets are a nice touch
Beautiful work
Hi! What kind of laser is it that you got there? It seems you can also do some very basic thin metal sheet cutting too, right?
Are they balanced in some away . How do they always have one side up?
Would love to purchase the round dice. Beautifully crafted. Price?
What kind of quick change tool post are you using on your lathe? I'd like to get one too.
I like the execution but not sure how this is better than the original dice. I think the chance element has been removed here.
Like I said, love the craftsmanship...
They look very fun to spin.
Ooo those are PRETTY!
what model of laser engraver is that?? I need something like it!!
Your small machine lathe is it manual? Cnc? What make. How can i make such a precision setup myself. You have it set up so you can rotate the chuck to specific points and a drill above. Was that expensive and difficult.. how how how
WOW, I LOVE THAT MAN
Any idea of how random the result is ? Did you balance the wheel / magnets ?
Nice as always
That's cool but with round dice if you start on the same two numbers and use your maximum spin force they should always land on the same two numbers so it'd be kinda easy to control the roll
Really interesting concept. Much more controllable than real dice though.
How amazing is this. Brilliant video mate 👏
Very cool design.