Talking "The Rings of Power" Trailer - Ep. 65 of Intentionally Blank
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2024
- Brandon Sanderson and Dan Wells talk about the Upcoming "The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power" trailer and tv show, and their view on the possible direction of the story building
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Can be listened to almost everywhere podcasts can be found.
Produced by Adam Horne
Sound engineering and editing by Daniel Thompson
The food heist was 100% a fan of the podcast trying to get on the show. Kudos to you random listener.
It was actually me…
@@mateodoris6856 What did you do with the oil?
Kudos to you too Metro-Man!
@@Colaman112 he has a massage parlor
@@Neidou He 'had' a massage parlor. Start rubbing people with rancid oil and you will be out of business so fast your head will spin.
The theft of used cooking oil was more common about 10 years ago when DIY biodiesel was a hot fad, but it's still definitely a thing. It can be used in diesel engines with minimal processing. Given the cost of fuel these days, I am surprised this isn't more widespread.
I was coming down here to see if someone said this. I knew used oil had some valuable use, it's just been too long. Mythbusters did a segment on it!
If these tanks are emptied every few months, a lot more could have been hit where the pickups just haven't happened yet. Maybe we'll hear about this happening all over the pace over the next weeks and months.
That can't be good for the engine... like come on whoever does this won't be doing it properly 🤣
@@adoniscreed4031 As long as you filter it properly it isn't that big of a deal
But it leaves behind smell of pancakes ,so ,follow the smell,and there is the thieves XD.
At 7:05 the episode quality takes a clear and noticeable drop
I haven't recovered from it. I swear I will try to finish the episode bur after the 7min mark it's just... not as good
Honestly not worth listening too after that point
It's perfectly clear for me
Lol, a full food heist episode would be nice though
The most recent trailer made me genuinely excited for the series, but then I thought about the Wheel Of Time adaptation and that excitement died immediately.
It's worth remembering that while Amazon made both series, the actual people involved are not the same.
Exactly!!! Wheel of Time squashed any faith I had in Prime!
Funnily enough, my high school science teacher had built a car than ran on used frying oil. They picked it up from our local bed and breakfast. I would imagine that this epic heist is a direct result of higher gas price.
Yes. I knew someone in a band and they traveled in a van that ran on frying oil. She said they'd stop off at diners and ask if they could have their used oil. This was maybe 10 years ago. She said it smelled like french fries when they ran on it
7:02 this is where they start talking about lord of the rings
Nah that's when it gets boring
You da real MVP
As it was foretold, so bruh appeared.
That is when the stopped talking about the food heist (aka the good part)
Skip to 0:00 for food heist story
Food heist starts at 0:07
Came for the storytelling banter, stayed for the food heists.
(Googled it and Zac Efron in Firestarter makes me think he wouldnt be That bad as young gandalf visually)
(I havent seen Rings Of Power but the discussion is always great)
I love niche topics (within core topics, a.k.a. I love when concepts can go completely off topic and create a unique gem of discussion) and i love this one ended up revistable. My first reaction when a video comes up now is "ooh food heist" and i'd never have gone Looking for that but its such a fun ice breaker into discussion.
Am sad they didn't ask Ben anything this episode... I always look for his insight
17:00 Galadriel actually does have a character arc, her whole story has been her inner battle between her ambition to be an elven queen with a kingdom of her own; vs her wisdom. She continues to struggle with these two sides of herself until finally she rejects the ring & returns West (before due to her ambition & arrogance got her banished from Valanor--even when all elves were welcomes & the Noldor forgiven for the kin slaying)
Thank you for saying this. Amazon and the showrunners have decided to erase the already existing characters and completely rehash them to suit their own fanfic cravings. Then have the gull to preach every given moment how they are "referencing the text" and "going back to the source material", while *everything* we have seen so far from the show has been the literal and seemingly intentional exact opposite of all that.
That culminates in the LotR trilogy though, so I guess the question is more related to specifically within RoP. I can't think of many "impactful" decisions that Galadriel specifically made in the period of time that the series seems to span... Maybe one of the closing points for the arc could be the foundation of Lothlorien? Though I honestly can't even remember when that takes place in time.
@@Shadoww2309 Let me remind you that in the period that RoP is about she is already married to Celeborn and has a daughter early in the second age (Celebrian, Elrond's wife btw).
A cameo of Ian McKellen as Gandalf would be cool, but if they are staying true to the Tolkien world, we won't see him as if I remember correctly, the Istari (or wizards as we know them) were only sent to middle earth in the 3rd age. Obviously they already existed in some other form as they are part of the Maiar who actually shaped the world, but the "old men" weren't around in the 2nd age.
Exactly. There's no evidence that Gandalf was seen in Middle Earth in any form before the 3rd age. I suppose it might not be impossible to concoct an acceptable story line which would bring Gandalf into the story, at least in a cameo. And it would allow them to use a different actor in place of Ian McKellan, since there's no reason to believe he would take the form of an old man in that time. But he also wouldn't be going by the name Gandalf so it would be hard for the audience to even know that it wasn't just a new, previously unheard of character.
While the Istari we know the most were sent to Middle-earth in the Third Age, the Blue Wizards Alatar and Pallando arrived in the Year of Dread (when the One Ring was forged in the Second Age) to quell Sauron's influence east of Mordor. The old man who seems to emerge from the meteorite impact could be one of them.
That said, I think they're going to alter the lore and Meteor Man will be revealed as Olórin, known to the Men of Arnor as Gandalf. In the trailers he meets Hobbits and is guided by them, which would thematically fit with his fondness for them in the later story.
Even without them keeping track of the news and such, Brandon and Dan are saying the EXACT same points Tolkien fans have been (concernly) saying for months if not years:
1) Why didn't Amazon buy and adapt the Sil? Why spend so much money for just the Appendices?
2) every season should time jump so we can have a different story or plot every season yet still keep our elven characters witnessing it all.
3) after watching all the trailers "but what is the story?" I've been saying this since February, but even more so since the comic con trailer dropped.
1 - You can't buy something someone isn't willing to sell. The Tolkien Estate hasn't signaled (that I'm aware of) that the rights to The Silmarillion are something they want to sell
2 - This would be great for use diehard fans, but a big turnoff for anyone casually interested who wants to watch the show, plus a logistical nightmare for Amazon. As a fan, I don't like the time compression, but as a person I get it. Giving persistent, relatable (therefore Human and not Elf) characters throughout the seasons is going to be key for widespread success, and it needs to be widespread success in order for Amazon to profit off it. They're making this show for the masses, not for us. It looks like they're going to try to give some satisfaction for the diehard fans too, but it won't be made *for* us.
3 - Isn't that the point of trailers? Show how great it looks, but not give away the story? It looks like a lot of it will focus on Galadriel and someone from Numenor, with a smattering of Harfoots (proto-hobbits) thrown in for good measure. Oh, and the guy from the meteor. Who knows?=
@@iThinkergoiMac 1 - Then they should've adapted what they actually owned. But they were terrified of remaking LOTR (and rightly so).
2 - This is an excuse for not trying. Game of Thrones was watched by millions of people who never read the books, more people watched GOT that hadn't read ASOIAF than people who did. They could've very easily done what HOTD is currently doing with time jumps and they would have had a major advantage over that show, seeing as most of the protagonists in S.A. were Elves. So not a lot of recastings. But since Amazon basically wanted Game of Thrones, they thought that the majority of watchers would be people who didn't read Tolkien. How wrong they were!
3 - No, the purpose of a trailer is to provide a preview of the show's/film's story/plot without revealing spoilers. Nobody gives a shit if someting 'looks' great if the story is not interesting or, in ROP's teasers case, non-existent.
@@iThinkergoiMac (1) I know the estate doesn't wanna sell the Sil, and Amazon shouldn't have wasted a ridiculous amount of money just for the Appendices. They should've just waited until the Sil was ready to be sold.
@@demoui7 No. The purpose of a trailer is to get you to watch the thing. You made up the rest.
@@hawkname1234 Yes and how is the trailer going to make you watch "the thing"?
Just show landscape photos of New Zealand then and be done with it!
How is someone who does not know what the show/film is about going to decide to watch something if you don't let them know what it is about?
This show's title is 'The RIngs of Power' and there are is not a single mention of the rings or just even what the story is.
Do me a favour and watch the trailer for the Fellowship of the Ring.
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THAT is a TRAILER
There are people that have converted their car or truck to run off of cooking oil directly, don't even need to refine it. So this is basically 700 gallons of diesel fuel. That's a lot of money
Yeah apparently even rancid oil works just fine for engines!? I had no idea, honestly. That's kind of amazing. Makes the heist far more impressive!
Wow!! How on earth does that not get gunked up and sieze?!?!!
@@aenea22980 I'm no expert but if I remember correctly from the vids I saw on it many years ago, you first run it through a filter to get any chunks out of it, I believe a small amount of methanol is added to help keep it liquid and then the vehicle itself has filters and preheaters to keep everything groovy.
Well, it really is the 7:00 mark where this podcast starts to drag....
Ever since gas prices skyrocketed, I have been thinking of the fact that at the pizzeria I worked at, we would put our oil in a similar tank to be thrown away. There's an old mythbusters episode showing that it's pretty easy to convert used fry oil into car fuel.
Do it. Steal it. For the good of your wallet /jk
@@yorgo2255 well the pizzeria shut down during the pandemic, so alas, I cannot provide more material for Dan and Brandon.
The problem with adding the wizards (Istari) is that they did not arrive until the 3rd age. They were in Valinor prior to that but not known under the same name. Gandalf was in Valinor and was called Olorin. Him being in Middle Earth in the 2nd Age wouldn't work.
This may be mostly true, but the two Blue Wizards arrived in something like SA 1600, the year that Sauron created the One Ring. So blue Wizards would be lore friendly to some degree.. though they are screwing up the timeline so much to fit into a few years that they likely have thrown out most of lore friendly time keeping anyways.
Dan is wrong about saying Saruman wasn't a villian yet. Saruman was always a villian since we first saw him, its just no one knew it, except maybe Galadriel. Gandalf trusted him completely but he was still a villian. He delayed the council as much as he could from going after the Necromancer so he could secretly search for the ring. His treachery goes back centuries.
That said, his players have no reason to not trust Saruman.
So, The Silmarillion is broken into a few parts, Quenta Silmarillion, and then to which is appended The Fall of Numenor, and of The Rings of Power and the Third Age. I believe most content will be the Fall of Numenor (Akallabeth), which is in the published book of The Silmarillion, but could also be considered an appendix
You sir are our Sam.
Yeah, when they said it wasn’t the Silmarillion I had to go double-check; I love that book. TIL it’s a collection, and the Fall of Numenor is it’s own work. I guess the Akallabêth is an appendice?
I thought they only had access to the appendices of The Return of the King. I didn't realize they had access to any section of The Silmarillion.
I think you might be right. I admit I find it all a bit confusing, because it certainly looks like the fall of Numenor.
I was reading up on the rights purchasing and it sounds like they used the option to consult with the Tolkien estate. Perhaps the appendices from LotR have enough links to the second age that it makes sense to draw the same through-lines as the Akallabeth? 🙃🤷🏻♂️
@@jamesmahalek6471 they have, the appendices have bloodlines from numenor, dates of the mayor events of the second age, when they started, when they ended and who was involved, however not expanded just mentioned, the silmarillion is a different book more like an anthology or a history book, akallabeth is a chapter of it that covers the fall of numenor mentioned in the appendices, the show is based in the appendices from lotr and they can do some references to the first age but only if tolkien state let them and they can't go into the third age, again by request of the tolkien state, the main problem is the ambition of doing 5 seasons with so little material and so many restrictions, thats why almost everything the series is gonna show is created and with that pretext they made some bold changes.
My concern with RoP is that the actors and directors have consistently said that they are trying to bring Tolkien's world up to speed with modern times. I'm concerned that this show will not have a good story and everything will be about THE MESSAGE. I'm predicting that Galadriel will be another Rey. She'll automatically be good at everything, have no arc, and have no character development. I want Galadriel to be a fair and wondrous lady, not a macho warrior. I find the very image of Galadriel wearing armor to be very disrespectful to the elegant character Tolkien created. Tolkien's work is very traditional, but Amazon is making it progressive and that is not faithful to his world.
100%. Messages of "the now" aren't timeless.
Agreed!
Wow, you must be some kind of bigot!
I'm kidding. I agree 100%
Am I the only one that misses "How is that for a teaser Ben?" at the end of the podcast?
They literally did start talking about it at 7:00. Color me impressed.
7:05 the title
The second age can be resume in 4 mayor events, the rise of numenor, the forge of the rings(sauron deception), the fall of numenor and the war of the last alliance, but like Brandon fear they made changes to appeal the broader audience, thats why they compressed the timelines to not have big timejumps and fit everything in one single timeline, also thats the reason galadriel is the lead, because people recognize her not because she was that involved during that age, the best think to do as a fan of the books is to see the show with low expectations and just expect a decent show. By the way i think most people will like at least at the beginning with visual aspect of the show.
Not a lord of the rings fan, but really enjoyed the discussion about the medium of fantasy as a whole. Have to say, I will be deducting points for the lack of an awesome outro
“How’s this comment, Ben?”
Dan and Brandon should do an episode on their favorite literary characters. Mine is Scout from To Kill a Mockingbird.
Zac Efron as Gandalf. Make it happen Amazon.
I love seeing Brandon Sanerson signing autographs through the whole video! 💚
Can't wait for their take on the Rings of Power!
Even if they did Beowulf with goblins they’d STILL be influenced by Tolkien. Guess who’s translation revolutionized our understanding of that particular story, lol! Tolkien was a scholar too.
Interesting. Each trailer has made me more and more worried about this show. Especially with the conflicting messages from the show runners about being true to the source material
God, I loved Fringe. Thanks for the reminder lol
Rings of Power starts at 7:00
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Why can’t people just make their own fantasy shows? Like, original IP’s. That’d be neat
A lot harder to make money that way
@@premiumcheddar9983 but at least you don’t run the risk of pissing off 85% of the people you’re making the damn show for
@@kaladinstormblessed8790 yeah but the companies are greedy so that will never happen unfortunately
Thank you Kaladin, very based
@@kaladinstormblessed8790lol pissing ofc fans who are fans are they or just plain bs people
Wheel of time is a wet blanket in winter with the wetness being my own tears.
Excellent. And I was just looking for something to listen to. Great job, guys! And great work Brandon! Just started Well of Ascension and am on Knife of Dreams in audiobooks. Gonna break into the Brandon section of Wheel of Time soon. Gotta say, finally busting into the Cosmere makes me super sad that I won't be able to buy those secret books for awhile! I'll ebay em if I have to but I'd love to pay you for em. Anyways, thanks for everything, keep up the great work y'all!
I miss Glorfindel! It was a great choice from a filming point of view and a non book audience but I loved Glorfindel
Glorfindel fans unite! Granted, I have the feeling if he were /actually/ cast as written. . .he's. . .kind of a 'cheaty' character but he's awesome. I kinda hope we see him in the background at least.
After listening to you guys for a while, I think I need to write a food heist story now.
LOTR talk starts at 7:07
You mean that's when the food heist talk stops?
And that's when the episode quality drops :(
Dan is right about the rights. They didn't get the rights to actually tell much about the second age. So they are doing fan fiction without having the rights nor an understanding of the characters.
Most of us already know this TV show is going to be lousy, not because of any one artistic decision or some political thing, but because there seems to be a horrendous lack of good story and character writing on modern shows and movies. And the last place you want to see bad writing is in a Tolkien based series. When the show creators are already bad-mouthing fans and the Peter Jackson movies both, you know what to expect.
So, for the Gandalf and Wizards discussion, here's a small deep dive:
The Istari (Wizards) for the most part didn't show up until the Third Age (TA). The Blue Wizards did come in the second age, but they pretty quickly disappear to the far east (Harad and possibly beyond). So, for that reason alone, I will be very annoyed if Gandalf shows up. He doesn't come to Middle Earth until about TA 1000 and is the last wizard to show up, so for him to show up roughly 1000 years too early really breaks things. They also arrive as old men, though they do age, albeit very slowly. LotR mentions this a couple times, specifically when Gandalf comes back to The Shire almost 17 years after the events of the first chapter. Frodo notices he's looking older.
So, no Gandalf. I don't think they'd even be allowed to, as part of Amazon's agreement is they can't contradict anything written. However, I could see them giving a small nod to the diehard fans if you meet a Maia named Olorin, as that's the Maia incarnated as Gandalf. We see the Trees and stuff in the trailers, and those existed before the First Age, so it's possible we could see Olorin in passing.
Numenor falls near the end of the Second Age, but there's still a good bit before Sauron is overthrown (for the first time), which is the transition to the Third Age.
Thank you for admitting you aren’t the biggest fan of Tolkien’s writing (I’m really surprised since you and Tolkien are in the same tier of Epic storytellers of humanity in my book) I would like to make a suggestion: I think you should read the Unfinished Tales and the Silmarillion before talking more about the the 1st and 2nd age of middle Earth and I think a lot of your questions will be answered without having to speculate much. Loved your commentary on the show just thought I’d offer advice on reading up on the Lore a bit.
Loved this one - so thankful for everything you guys do!
I don't expect much for the TRoP, but I'll check out the first two episodes to see if it's worth caring about. If it ends up feeling like the first episode of WoT, then I'll just ignore it.
Agreed. It's probably trash. But I'll still sample the first couple of episodes.
WoT may be the greatest disappointment of all television…
@@drakefraggleandnewt - I haven't read the books, so I wasn't really sure how accurate it was, but I didn't enjoy WoT at all. I forced myself through a good portion of the season and then quit.
I do plan to read the books though.
Show gets really boring at 7:06. Might want to just skip to the end at that point.
This comment deserves to be higher.
I would only want to see Olórin throughout the show, with the transition to Gandalf in the final episode as part of the series finale.
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Honestly I've just got no hope for rings of power, they clearly don't care about Tolkien's works and are just using the name. It's just so full of lorebreaking stuff that I don't see any value in watching the show as a fan of Tolkien's works.
Even outside of that the writing seems pretty bad, like if that's the kind if dialogue they want to display in the trailers then I don't even want to know how bad the actual series will be. Like remember that "you haven't seen what I've seen" "I've seen my fair share" "you haven't seen what I've seen" argument between Galadriel and Elrond? Yeah they thought that was so good it had to be in the trailer.
If the trailers, interviews and everything are just a massive misdirection and the actual show is awesome then great, I'll happily say I was wrong, but I don't think that's the case.
From someone like me who has zero hope for the rings of power. It is curious to see you guys so hopeful for the series.
Love listening to both you guys! I mostly agree with everything Dan said about the possibilities for the show... However, I am really worried about a young Gandalf cameo. 2 reasons: according to Tolkien lore, the Wizards were only sent to Middle-earth in the Third Age, and secondly Gandalf would have too much influence on the plot, I feel. There are signs and hints that Gandalf might appear in the show, so... The showrunners have said that they have truncated thousands of years of Tolkien's history of the Second Age into say a matter of 50-100 years, because then the human characters can star in every season.
Hi, I completely agree with the takes about the original LoTR movies and TWOT show.
About Glorfindel and Tom Bombadil i understood that their role doesn't align with the story at all, they are some uber powerful beings that for some reason don't fight with the good guys... In the books i took them as a part of this mystic world of Tolkien but with such a short time in the movies i saw no point in showing such beings if you are not going to explain or use them properly to advance the plot.
What i am worried with the Rings of Power is that from what i've seen they are trying to "modernize" Tolkien (even said by the same actors/producers if i'm not mistaken) and this is a very bad sign for me because i always considered works like Tolkien's as ageless, i don't want s.XXI ideologies or activism in a fantasy show about medieval fantasy. And also, in relation to this, that they may surrender the plot or the story to these alien themes. IMHO TWOT show did this, and i didn't like it one bit, specially how underdeveloped Rand, Perrin and Matt are, while wasting 1,5 chapters worth of time in a random warder none cares about.
About Galadriel i fear they will get too focused in the warrior-princess trope and lose the wisdom and intelligence that the character had in Tolkien's works. Hardfoots are just there to be a fanservice for the people who recognise LoTR because of the hobbits (the other races are more standard ones) i can understand it but i don't like it, second age isn't about hobbits there's plenty of things to tell to waste time on fanservice of the people who barely watched the films.
I'm not specially excited and i'm not liking the promotion interviews where the actors act like they're being brave or gound-breaking and also for how Amazon is "gifting" all possible reviewers and influencers with exclusive content because imo it severely affects to the impartiality of the later reviews.
Ya i don't understand trying to make it modern either. Like, what the heck. It's a different world. Thousands of years before the movies, so why try to make it match with our world's current views/movie stereotypes by putting in more people of color and women and getting rid of white men.
There's reasons for why Glorfindel and Tom don't 'fight' for a side (and yes, their characters would really have just confused the wider audience).
Tom is. . .essentially a leftover god? Demi-god? That. . .isn't allowed to get involved if I remember? And is, kinda choosing to die with the world he knows as the age passes onto the next one? Sure, he could keep the ring and never be tempted by it, but he chose to live in his creation and therefore can't/isn't allowed to meddle in the wider creation because of it?
Glorfindel does. . .a lot of behind the scenes work, and seems to be more watching and waiting for where he can be most effective. If I remember he was given sort of a glimspe of precognition and there's probably some sort of balancing act and making sure things go like they need to. . .he's also just. . . very powerful in his own right.
Either on screen would have, sadly, been confusing for the wider audience.
Why no “How’s that Ben?”
What happened to Ben?
I don't think that Gandalf and the rest of the Istari had taken human form at the time of the series.
I like the pop songs in fantasy movies. And I like Liv Tyler. I think she had a very fantasy look in LOTR.
I really liked Liv Tyler in the movies too. She was fantastic.
This is a serious hot topic. Curious of your take on it Brandon.
Yeah. Oil theft is an important issue more people should be talking about.
@@Caidezes 🤣😂
The Galadriel we met in LOTR movies was the very old Galadriel who was well past the "becoming a badass" phase and settled into being Queen Galadriel. I am excited to see how she became that badass in the ROP, and it is almost a completely new character.
But she's already several thousands of years old at the time of Rings of Power she shouldn't be a tempest as they say it's a far stretch with what they are doing.
maybe several thousand years she still acts like a firehouse, and it took 10 thousand for her to be chill like in LOTR. (I have not read any Tolkien for some time so don't recall what she was doing in the era of the show)
@@bz6046agh get the lore right
The First Age ends with the War of Wrath and the casting out of Melkor/Morgoth. The Second age ends after the first defeat of Sauron by the Last Alliance (when his finger is cut off and the ring is lost).
All of the story of Númenor, from the creation to the fall, happens in the Second Age.
The founding of Numenor I think happened roughly simultaneously with the War of Wrath, so technically the story of Numenor kind of starts in the First Age, but yeah, the whole history of Numenor is in the Second Age
Second age starts after the fall of Morgoth and the recovery of the Silmaril and goes until the defeat of Sauron by Isildur. So it covers the creation of all the rings and the rise and fall of Nuemenor. We will see how much the show covers.
It's very refreshing to hear somebody have a positive take on this show
I'm actually relieved to hear that the show is not actually the stuff in "The Silmarillion" (i.e 'The Music of the Ainur, Beren and Luthien and so on, wonderful stuff that I was worried they were going to completely butcher). So finding out that rather it's based on some obscure appendices found at the tail-end of "Return of the King", the kind of stuff that nobody, or very few people bother to read, makes me relieved to hear and I am actually looking forward to see what this show is all about now.
From Boardman OH originally, just wanted to mention that the name sake is the guy who founded the town back in 1803, Elijah Boardman!
Was so taken aback to hear it mentioned on here!
Oh god, they didn’t ask for Ben's input. Oh shit. Oh fuck.
The didn't deage Galadriel as much as you would think. Cate Blanchett was in her early 30s just as the access playing Galdriel now 😊
HOW DOES BEN FEEL ABOUT THIS?!?!
I want a show where Dan Wells talks about is two campaigns!!!
Honestly speaking, and this may not be common, but I'd rather risk 10 bad adaptations of pre-hobbit/lotr Tolkien lore and maybe have a few good ones than have no new adapations
If it sucks, I can ignore it, which is fair. If it's great, well hurrah, a great Tolkien adapation. It's really a ignore-or-win scenario. Eventually, even if by accident, they WILL get good talent in there to make something worth watching, even if it maybe takes a bit. Tolkien's lore deserves to be more widely seen, it is art in itself.
My theory about the fry oil is that they listen to this podcast and wanted Dan and Brandon to notice them.
The beard is seemingly coming back. I am delighted! And food heist seems to be back more regular. This is almost nostalgic XD
When is Lord of the rings going to public Domain? Would love to see the stories we will see after that point.
Not including Glorfindel is the only “mistake” in the Jackson films.
I feel like explaining Glorfindel would have confused too many people who didn't have the context for him. He's a very unique individual and (forgive me if I'm wrong, I've never actually finished reading the books, I can never finish the Two Towers) doesn't have a lot of 'screen time' in the books? I can understood letting Arwen stand in for him. I think it is sad he wasn't there. But I also think its sad Bombadil wasn't even though explaining him to most people would have been difficult too.
"Just skip to minute 7:00, then they'll start talking about Lord of the Rings"
A great discussion! Even after the 7 minute mark.
7:07 Rings of Power discussion begins
If you don't trust them to handle Gandalf, how could you trust them to do anything else in LotR? I mean, this is Tolkien, a very specific tone and brand of fantasy. This is not some generic fantasy.
So, Numenor fell at the end of the second age and Arnor was founded also at the end of the second age but did not fall until 861 of the third age. So I don’t think we’ll see Arnor unless this series extends into the third age or they do another one. I would love to see the Witch-King of Angmar though. We might get his origin at least since he is speculated to be one of the Numenorians that was corrupted by the rings. Then they could do another series about Arnor and Angmar.
I’m excited to hear their thoughts now… I was pretty blown away by the first two eps of Rings of Power. I loved ‘em.
I agree they are good and am looking forward to the next episode.
Same here
The thumbnail made me think this was a a hair loss video at first lol
Disagree on Frodo and Sam in the movies, "The Choices of Master Samwise", is *way* better than anything they did in the movie, but they messed with the timeline of Two Towers too much to do it correctly.
13:09 really quick, Gandalf and the other wizards didn't appear until the third age, so definitely no cameo. :/ Galadriel's been there since the First Age during the Exile, so I think she's perfect as a main protagonist, though. But yeah the wizards appeared in Middle-earth old in 2000 T.A., and before that they were more youthful when they were living in the Undying Lands as demi-gods, or Maia (same origin as Balrogs actually, hence bigger impact of the fight in Moria), and even went by different names. If they were present during the Second Age, they'd have been able to prevent the fall of Numenor. Their purpose was to oppose Sauron in the Third Age. Gollum already had the One Ring by the time they were wizards/Istari.
I did skip a bunch of episodes that I'm working through in order to hear about your thoughts on The Rings of Power, and I got 7 minutes of rancid oil heist. You're an evil genius, Dan.
It would be so cool if you did live reaction videos. Especially for Avatar the Last Airbender.
That happened twice at a restaurant I used to work at.
Can’t wait for it to flop and then be called something that ends with ist. I’d list all the words but let’s be honest, there’s too many names we’ll be called to list them all.
Gandalf didn't arrive until the 3rd age, so I don't think they can have him on the show. Numeror only existed in the 2nd age. That's how they knew it was ser in the 2nd age, when the only clue was a map containing it
Maybe it was a lock heist disguised as a food heist?
Unlike pretty much any other franchise, The Lord of the Rings is universally loved both critically and casually, so it breeds even more hopefully optimism in what it COULD be rather than what it is LIKELY to be.
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Video gets boring at 7:20
Ahh! I was too slow, dammit!
Uhgggg, a series about the war between Arnor and Angmar would be soooo good. The origins of the Dunadin, the history of the Barrowdowns…..
New video assignment for Taylor. Create a video of Brandon and Dan time traveling to add commentary on a future food heist happening real time. Brandon and Dan would add commentary like the commentators do on Holey Moley.
Gandalf isn't alive on Arda at the point when the series is set, so I doubt he'll be showing up. However, they are bending and shrinking the timeline and I wouldn't put it past them.
Trailer Link, in case you want to watch it before diving in: ua-cam.com/video/x8UAUAuKNcU/v-deo.html
Brandon and Dan slowly creating a John Wick like food heist universe
Amazon totally messed up. If they did DnD Forgotten Realms, Drizzt and Cleric and others it would have been a massive hit. Instead trying to destroy JRR Tolkien's legacy is just too sad.
I would absolutely *love* to see on-screen adaptations of Erin M Evans _Brimstone Angels_ series of Forgotten Realms novels.
But anyway, destroy Tolkien's legacy? I don't think anyone is trying to do that. All the indications we've got so far are that the showrunners on Rings of Power are doing an excellent job of staying respectful to Tolkien. Their friendly relationship (this far) with the Tolkien Estate should be evidence enough of that.
i really want Brandon and Dan to collab on a heist story, like a proper good one, but one of the main heisters has little back stories that leak out throughout the narrative that previously they did all these goofy kinds of food heists, but in very elaborate and competent ways- which is what qualifies them to do whatever the cool main heist is... but it ends up making people look at them funny. like " we are trusting you to steal the diamonds of the elf king because you previously stole 2000 flantarks worth of pasta from a kitchen?!" " yes, but it was the kitchen of the king of the realm of globulon and it was actually quite complicated, risky and we barely got away with it because of my skill and quick thinking!" etc :D
You missed an opportunity to give us the food heist of lembas bread on the stairs of cirith ungol!
Hi any chance of the signed UK editions of The Lost Metal?
Wow almost exactly 7 minutes... Lucky estimation or do they have a timer behind the scenes?
I just watched the first two episodes and it is awesome. Really excited!
Counterpoint to Tolkien being the clear progenitor of the epic fantasy genre: C.S. Lewis gave us The Chronicles of Narnia at approximately the same time and was perhaps as influential in the creation of the genre.
C. S. Lewis is a great example what fantasy was before Tolkien. It was for kids, it was primarily metaphorical, and he didn’t really take his fantasy world seriously. Lord of The Rings is none of those things. Not being Narnia is how Tolkien invented modern fantasy.
@@alanlayton6295 I’m not suggesting modern fantasy as a whole doesn’t lean more towards Lord of the Rings, but to suggest Tolkien is the clear sole progenitor of the genre (not style) is an overreach. Also, the Hobbit was perhaps even less serious a work than The Chronicles of Narnia in tone; clearly aimed at children, full of booger jokes and silly songs.
@@michaelmclaughlin3013 were there other fantasy novels before LoTR? Sure. Nothing comes close to the success and scope of Tolkiens work. Nothing. Claiming he isn't the progenitor of epic fantasy is like trying to say something like Lucas didn't cause a huge sea change in Sci-fi.
@@DameonofThorne Change? Sure, but being the most successful doesn’t mean you created a thing.
Before Tolkien there were fairy tales and allegories. A great one I read was The King of Elfland's Daughter. I describe it like Faerie Queene meets Brigadoon.
Fairy tales, folklore, and Narnia are all connected to the real world. Tolkien famously detested allegory and created his own world, self-contained, with no connection to the real world. This defined a new genre and is now one of the distinguishing features of what we now know as high fantasy.
They can't bring in Gandalf, its like a couple of thousand years to erarly in the story line for him. At the time he is still chilling in his Maiar form Olorin in Valinor or where ever. And yes his physical Gandalf form has always been old.