This ball is meant for GAMING - GameBall Gaming Trackball Mouse
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0:00 Infomercial
0:11 Unboxing
0:53 First impressions
1:55 Colour comparisons
2:51 Closer look and exterior impressions
5:58 Sponsor - Jackery
6:22 First use
7:10 Alex's impressions
7:35 RGB and manual reading
8:30 David reacts
8:56 Gaming impressions
11:11 A better fit
11:29 Overall thoughts
12:10 Outro - Наука та технологія
You need to curl your fingers more when you're using a trackball, to prevent strain and stuff. Also allows for better snap movements and stuff.
And stuff.
@@mavfan1 And stuff.
@@MikeStavola And stuff.
@@BenDover-gc5nw and stuff
@@nelsonmachupa And stuff.
I've been using trackballs for gaming since the late 90's. There is a substantial amount of time needed to acclimate. I prefer the larger ball style (kensington expert trackball) and dialing in the settings (moderate sensitivity and high ramp speed with a smallish non ramp area) means i can get (sniper pixel by pixel) fine control and throw and catch for 360 spin(with practice there is minimal vertical drift and what is there is compsated for as the target nears the cross hairs)
Same here, I keep mine very sensitive and never have to spin it, and have it so my thumb range matches my screen. I have all my fingers for extra buttons and I can set up anywhere, no need for a mouse pad and can place my arm where it is most comfortable. With a good game pad I never have to reach for anything. Once you know how to use a trackball you will never go back.
I love my trackball as well. The only downside is regularly having to clean it out. But I consider that minor.
Trackball is soooo bad I only use it for the meme. After ten years my aim is still crap and the ergonomics are horrible but the reactions people have to a trackball gamer make it worth it.
@@CombatBanana Sounds like you're a bad stereotype. Not just anyone can claim to stay bad at something after a decade of practice.
what do you use to adjust the sensitivity?
i have a logi m575 and idk if that offers the same degree of adjustment, i only remember seeing sensitivity
When you play FPS on a "centre ball" trackball, you typically shoot with your thumb. Isolating your thumb movements to the other fingers is very difficult and usually means that you slip from the target when firing. That said, I think a centre ball is amazing for productivity. I use a Trackman Marble at work since 7 years and I like it a lot. But for gaming a thumb trackball is the best. I use the Logitech M570 trackball at home for gaming and the precision is just better in every way when doing complex movements like in FPS or MOBA games.
I find moving the fire binding off of the trackball helps aim
I played CS with Centre ball mouse or normal and i was with both very good no difference u need just get used to it :)
thumb on center ball? right... did you make it up ?
I find thumb balls don't give the same rsi benefits, as the center, though.
a heavier and larger ball eliminates this nearly entirely, FWIW. I had the same problem when using smaller ball trackballs (the Logitech one, the other two button Kensington makes when i was traveling), but i do not have this problem with the Expert Mouse.
I used to be a banking consultant and we all had those on our desk. It just looks better because you are not sliding around the desk with a customer sitting there and you can use you space for something else. I would always recommend those for your non-gaming needs.
Also love the hosting. Very cool, very authentic, precise. Another true character. Thumbs up.
Sorry the host is more Than I can handle
Would love to see this compared to the basic $40 option from Logitech. I can't imagine they are much different.
You could make the same statement about any normal mouse. It would only be as different as you would be able to recognize the differences ya know?
The only Logitech trackball, I could even was the Cordless optical trackball and that thing is $80 now and is so many eras behind I can confidently say this blows that out of the water without trying. The Logitech don't have the dpi to compete. Those that like thumb balls are better served by basic Logitech. If you prefer index, middle ring, Logitech generally loses to other balls in hand, including Kensington, but again there's that latency and dpi missing from the equation. I haven't paid attention if they added the features you'd want gaming though. Logitech could totally make a lightspeed trackball with the dpis, the thumb and finger style, but they don't bother, which is frustrating. The time someone makes a real breakthrough in this market, then Logitech will come in and make one and out market the one that people should really buy, though, cuz they are too lame to break ground, only steal it.
Logitech's of this style hasnt been updated in over 10 years so you have no DPI control, or even scrolling.
Now their thumb style has gotten a bunch of development with lots of improvements in the MX Ergo.
Well, they are very much different. I have both.
Then you need to expand your imagination. When I was in the market for a trackball (I use Elecom now cause the game ball would've blown my budget) one MAJOR thing that became apparent was Sensor refresh rate and precision. Logitech hasn't used better sensors in any of their trackball in decades
Dude said "cheap mouse" I instantly looked to my side... It's my mouse.
There is a substantial learning curve to those, I moved myself to trackballs, particularly from logitech (especially MX Ergo) due to carpal tunnel thing and I never looked back. I still couldn't get my trackball to work on FPS games, but I know it is achievable, I just don't play those games too much to care about those anyway. For other games it works really well for me and ergonomics is something that none of the mice could match for me. It is a niche product, but worth looking at for those who look for something else than just a typical mouse. Precision moves can be achieved easily after some getting used to. With this trackball after HOURS of usage my hand is not in pain whatsoever, no fatigue, that's what I love in those products. You need to have your hand relaxed and you position your hand differently than with mice.
Even with mice, a comfortable relaxed, almost resting position and not doing constant big movements or of that position seems key in dialing in ergonomics, from your chair, to monitor, to keyboard, not just mouse, trackball. Being able to dial (customize) everything in to your body is key to ergonomics. Although, I know what you mean. With keyboard mouse, resting on them is bad ergonomically, hovering over in the right position with arm aloft. With trackball, you rest on it, in the right position.
(to anyone reading, not specifically OP) If you're working in office, have the ergo guy come in and help you dial in and remember and do the same for yourself at home. Your bodies will thank you. Even if you don't feel anything and you're young. A decade of good ergo will make a difference.
The good thing with Logitech MX Ergo is there is a tiny button next to the trackball so user can toggle it to slow down the dpi for better precision.
Not related but i never seen so much innuendos on a short circuit video before. And i love it. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
did they really just remake the marble mouse? i was using one of those when i was a top tribes 1 dueler back in 2001.
i want one of these. and your reviewer has no idea what he is talking about. not just concerning trackballs. if he knew what he was talking about he would have some idea of the history, THIS IS A MARBLE MOUSE REFRESH. it is a classic.
@@kght222 Logitech marble !!!
@@thermostance1815 Yup, I still got mine buried in a box somewhere.
@@machinist7230 Still got mine plugged into my legacy ps/2 port!
@@machinist7230 mine gave out a bit ago Andi haven't gotten around to fixing it :(
I think an important point to mention with products like this is more "Does it make gaming accesible to more people?" People with RSI, disabilities, even someone with a temporary disability like a broken arm or something of the sort and less "Should you ditch your mouse for this", mostly because it's impossible to compare the potential of using a trackball to the years of mouse use most of us have
Exactly! Well said. I think this guy absolutely missed the mark with this review. I'm kind of surprised that they let this slide and allowed him to kind of crap on it and anyone who would want to use it most of the video. They created this for a reason and there's other products that exist for a reason.
I do love me some balls. Been using them since 1979, also, trackballs since 2006.
Sus 😂
Would like to point out that when optical mice didnt exist the trackball was far superior to a ball mouse, so yes you can get used to gaming with a trackball. They used to be the got to for RTS players. I cant count how many hours of C&C Red Alert I played with one!
I've used a Logitech Trackman Marble similar to that for gaming for over 20 years. They still make it, although the old one had a PS2 port, and had better bearings for the trackball than the new one (steel vs. plastic). It is only half the price of this one.
a Logitech trackback is also half this price.
you can get an MX ergo for this price.
@@FaultyStreams specifically 2/3 this price and without the carpal tunnel in your hand.
The Logitech Trackman was my favorite mouse, it was like no other mouse at the time. Now I'm using an MX Master 3, times have changed.
Not the MSFT Trackball Explorer 😱‼️
Seeing the nail polish and the glasses made me think. Is David slowly turning into a sweet old lady?
I've been using trackballs for a bit over 10 years and yes, they take a while to get used to even for regular productivity work but once it 'clicks' with you then you don't want to let go. It took me a long time to actually get good at games, specially FPS games, with it but it can be done. I am a fan of Logitech's trackballs, with the M570 being the one that I have used the most but the MX Ergo is the one that has worked the best for me for gaming, it is much more customizable and with the toggles to move between different dpi settings I felt like I had more control while gaming.
But I'll be honest, a few years after using them and with my wrists healed up I returned to use regular mouse for gaming but only for gaming, I don't like them for regular computer use and even less for work, but for the couple of hours a week I manage to play shooter games I feel a regular mouse still is a better option, for everything else trackballs suit me best.
it took me a few minutes to click
The Microsoft Trackball Explorer from 2001 was just about the best trackball ever made. It is still somewhat coveted and extremely hard to find/expensive. If you guys do one of your "old tech" segments again, you should try to find one. I used to use that for pretty intense gaming from Minesweeper to UT2K4. Trackballs in gaming take a little bit to learn. wo fingers on the ball, split slightly apart, fingers curled a bit. You can learn to flick and dive with easily and really nail down accuracy. I wish so much that Microsoft would re-release the Trackball Explorer (not the trackball optical). I miss it :/
I would disagree with some of the other commenters saying that a thumb ball is better than a finger ball. two points of contact beats one any day for precision.
Ploopy makes the Ploopy Classic which is basically exactly what you're looking for. imagine MTE with modern switches, pixart sensor, but 3d printed housing and that's it. the entire thing is open sourced so if you want to make one in 50 years, it'll probably be doable.
I got Track Explorer for a couple of bucks while thrift shopping and thought that it would be nice to have a trackball for a more cluttered workbench and since it's made by Microsoft it should be pretty decent. I had no idea how revered it is -- change the bearings with some new ceramic ones and it's pretty much flawless.
Microsoft should definitely do a re-release.
I see a lot of love for thumbball, but I love the precision of a fingerball. Also less RSI if you hold it at a good angle.
That doesn't look like gamer gear. That looks more like the type of accessory someone with a ThinkPad would use.
I think its a nod to older logitec gaming gear. The red and black was pretty popular back then. Back when there wasnt bright colors and stuff on everything
There is an established, but tiny, number of daily trackball users. Our choices were essentially limited to 2 trustworthy companies-Logitech and Kensington. No products had the number of buttons or on-hardware DPI control that Gameball has. So the idea is a device better for gaming for people who already use trackballs regularly, if that makes sense.
@@MisterCaution im one of those trackball users lol
@@retrorewind6042 Ha! Me too.
I use the MX ergo and I love it (with a 3d printed add-on to add a better angle to it)
Same. I use it for games almost everything besides games that require aiming, and games that I use a Xbox controller, like race and platform. For WORK, that's where it really shines imo.
I have both the ergo and the m575 and I prefer the m575, which is also lighter for travelling
@@rca168 I used the 575 as my first trackball (that worked for me) years ago, but I prefer the ergo now just becouse I find it to be more comfortable
I too started with the 575 and now use the ergo. I use ot daily for work and gaming.
Been daily driving the GameBall for 2 years now (Have a prototype from hardware testing, and a Limited Edition from the July 2021 backer release). I absolutely recommend it for other trackballers! Been gaming with a trackball since I switched to the Microsoft Trackball Explorer back in 2004.
Also, fun fact: Mouse acceleration was invented primarily FOR trackballs (and ball mice). ABSOLUTELY recommend using mouse accel with the GameBall.
Secondly; for proper usage, DON'T use the tip of your finger to control the ball, use the meaty part of your fingers (between middle and top knuckle).
Finally a mste, mention. I've been wondering if can build a Ploopy to a more gaming spec
@@bipbop3121 biggest issue would be the polling rate and the sensor CPI. I'm excited to see the new SANWA MSTE clone coming out, as it too apparently has a 3k CPI sensor with 1kHz polling.
I agree with you. I didn’t get access to the prototype, but ordered one with the first general release shipment and closely followed the product development journey on social media. We trackball users are a small minority, but for us, this device is top of the line IMO. The Porsche of trackballs.
I believe the ball has that glitter type effect is so the optical sensor can run at those high DPI.
That would make a lot of sense
We have a dude at our lanparties that use one of those square Kensington track balls and he's actually pretty darn good at FPS games.
I've been exclusively using trackballs (for gaming, work, and personal use) for over 7 years. I do a lot of CAD work, so maybe using it for fine movements there has helped me use it for gaming, but it just seems so natural to me now.
I’m the same way. I’ve used trackballs most of my adult life. I don’t play PC game, but when I rarely use normal mice these days (always on other people’s computers) it feels as awkward to me as a trackball must feel to a mouse user.
I used to game on ball mice and trackball setups back in CS v1.3, Unreal Tournament 2003 and Quake days.
I haven't used trackballs for a while, but I love them. I ran a 1st gen Kensington Expert for a very long time, and it's still one of my favorite input devices to this day. Top notch stuff.
I use a trackball for everything, but one of the thumb-driven Logitech ones. Would love to see a higher poll-rate version of those
I wonder if this review would have been more interesting if it also included gaming from someone who is comfortable with using trackballs.
They did several seconds of balls in mouth jokes and 0 seconds adjusting the sensitivity, they couldn't care less about the products.
@@TheJtorres182 don't forget that we all now know that David needs many inches. For some reason that needed to be shared with the viewer. LTT is now quantity over quality and these jokes that even linus makes of late don't help the quality. Nothing worse than immature grown ups trying to be funny and aren't.
@@butaudo1918 Its all made worse because the way they "unbox" products on techlinked has become so disgusting and useless. I could tolerate cringe here and there if there was actually any substance, such as using someone who doesn't approach a trackball as an assignment someone forced them to look at.
Too busy painting his nails to bother with a proper review
@@TheJtorres182 this is literally a random unboxing channel...
Looks incredibly awkward to use, though I am fairly accustomed to my MX Ergo which I use pretty much for everything including intense FPS games.
One of my favorite mice was the microsoft trackball and as pointed out dust was a huge issue with it I was constantly having to clean it out, but now I don't want to give up my G600, gotta have all the buttons and still waiting on a wireless G600.
I use a g600 also, i want a light with weights version (because i think a lot of people like how heavy it is, i hate), infinite scroll wheel and better onboard memory and wireless
I found them great for traveling with my laptop back when track pads sucked and were in the center. But they've gotten better and in some laptops you have the pad in a better local.
Used this Ball since launch. It's great. Love it.
do you live on a boat? because that's the mouse to use, when you're living on a boat.
So they didn't... Drop the ball?
I've used trackball on and off for a while and I don't really like this design for gaming. I tend to prefer either the thumb ball style of mouse or the style where it's a larger ball in the middle like the kensington trackballs. This kind just feels like it would be less precise and harder to use without some significant time trying to get used to it.
I've been using a thumb operating track ball for gaming since 2000 when I got my Microsoft optical trackball. I've since upgraded to many different models and I know I'm better with that than I am a mouse.
Logitech makes several and my MX ergo is my favorite right now for my desk at work. When I game however I always go with my ELECOM EX-G PRO.
Dang, now I want some balls in my gaming...
Not sure how this is the "world's first gaming trackball" - Sega's World Cup arcade cabinet had a trackball back in 1978...
I'd assume they're reffering to a dedicated PC gaming trackball not an integrated console or cabinet one
I’ve used a trackball for 25 years, since I was 6. I’ve had soooo many trackballs. I play games competitively and edit all day in photoshop with a Logitech MX Ergo. I was so excited for a trackball review that could potentially be an upgrade. I love David’s approach to things. Next time get someone who daily drives a trackball to review a trackball. It’s too much of an initial relearning curve to make a quick video about.
yeah it took me over a year after i moved to a trackball to get back to where i was with a traditional mouse but without any of the pain from my carpel tunnel sadly the development in thumb-trackballs has died over the years not to mention the continual drop in qaulity my trackman wheel lasted 15 years before its mouse buttons started to die while i go through a modern m570 in about 18 months and is quite a disapointment
You think they have a daily trackball user at LTT ? In my entire life I only knew one person who used one.
I've also used many trackballs and for a long time. Not quite 25 years, but I found the MX less comfortable than the m570, the ball seemed to be more contained and not flow as freely. And the software was absolute garbage, it didn't even have acceleration controls. I sent it back.
I think your issue here is assuming the video is aimed at you.
It is aimed at people like David who are curious about trackballs and this is probably pretty representative of what to expect if they first try it.
@@Gatorade69 Considering how many video editors etc they have, I would not be surprised if they have a few who use trackballs daily.
This reminds me of the Logitech Trackman Marble I used to use. For that, I mostly used both my index and middle finger together to control it, occasionally even adding my ring finger to that (2-3 fingers on it). Personally, I prefer thumb trackballs, but the larger center trackballs are still pretty nice (and ambidextrous). Large center trackball is more precise, but thumb trackball has a proper scroll wheel.
I actually remember using a trackball when I worked in IT back in 98 and remember being quite impressed with how easy it was to use especially if you need precision which had even more than the best Microsoft mice of the time (they were the best mice in Portugal at the time).
It's just a shame that they cost an arm to buy and are hard to find in comparison to mice.
I used various trackballs to play casual-ish FPS (like Borderlands), RTSs and RPGs (action, MMO, the regular kind) and had little trouble with those. Granted, I won't be doing any flick headshots using my Kensington Slim Blade, but to be fair, at my age, I won't be doing flick shots using a mouse either.
It all comes down to training and habit; I started using a thumb trackball due to RSI and I hated it for the first month or so; then I switched to an index finger trackball and I hated it too at first; the only trackball I didn't hate at first was a palm one (the aforementioned Slim Blade), but that's probably because I used trackballs for years at that point. Nowadays, almost a decade in, I'm fine with any trackball, but I hate using mice.
Thumb trackballs are great for most games. The only thing that gives me trouble is games where you have to move all over the screen quickly like RTS games, or something like kiting in a game like Diablo.
A handicapped friend use something similar, the m570 from logi. its not allowing him to have a huge level of play but at least he is having fun.
Having scalable DPI is amazing... Me being a student, my desk is small, so there was some learning to do with say only 5 inches or so of usable space to move my mouse, but I still do pretty decent in FPS games, it's all about learning how to setup your computer for the tool you are using to control it in my opinion. For example, I play lowest DPI on games for accurate movement, but higher DPI for a lot of software I am made to use.
Someone send this to Louis Rossmann, he loves his track ball.
You're talking about balls but this video is not sponsored by Manscaped?!
Just watched this dude waggle his fingers for 10 minutes
Definitely check out the Elecom thumb trackball mouse, it's a traditional mouse shape with a great trackball.
Especially useful if you're a controller player, same thumb motion. Plus being able to zoom the mouse ball is helpful in games that either slow the reticle for "bullet time" or in games with tank turrets.
I have been using an Elecom Huge Trackball that filled the void after the bearings on my Microsoft Trackball Explorer turned flat.
I did try to go back to mice for a few years but the comfort just wasn't there.
For me it works perfectly fine for fps games(tho i rarely play competitive games), but i have used trackballs more than i have used mice.
Thumb trackballs are pretty good too, I work and game with my Logitech m570. I would say it's better than a mouse, didn't take long to get used to it. One thing is you need to pop the ball out every once in a while and clean out where it slides, really depends on your skin or dust in the room, personally have to do it a few times a day though it takes just a few seconds. I think this is why they are unpopular, people don't know you have to keep the insides clean, use them with greasy fingers, and then don't like how unprecise and slow it gets.
Edit: my favorite game is Doom Eternal, not a casual strategy game.
Now that I got to your shooter demo, I'd never get a centered ball like that. I'll stick to a right-hander trackball with the ball under the thumb and my hand keeps a very neutral curve. Elecom Ex-G forthewin
I never liked the ones that put the trackball under like a single finger/thumb.
Admittedly I haven't used one in awhile but the ones with the bigger balls closer to the palm were always my jam like the classic kensington with the four buttons.
I used to use, and loved using, a thumb type trackball mouse back in the day (late 90's to 00's) for most of my computing, but I always had a regular mouse for gaming.
Biggest feature aside from ergonomics is the introduction of the scrolling functions. So far Kensington and GameBall have the only trackballs with specific scrolling wheel functions that I'm aware of. Shocking that Logitech hasn't caught up, since their trackball is widely accepted as the most ergonomic.
I've been gaming with a Kensington Pro trackball for 25+ years. Would never go back to a mere mouse.
I used a trackball for gaming for years, it takes getting used to. But, I mostly used a Logitech thumb ball trackball and I think that is far more useable for gaming since it frees up your fingers for clicking and gives you a traditional scroll wheel. As a long term trackball user, this gaming trackball in the video just looks awkward and uncomfortable to use.
I use the m570 for work and if I use it for games it feels just as natural as a mouse. I just prefer using a mouse for fps games but for non fps games a trackball is a good way to go.
@@SuperBroChris I use a Logitech g502 spectrum and my son has a Logitech g900 spectrum for most gaming, nothing comes close to Logitech for mice or trackballs.
When I use my trackball mouse (a Kensington Orbit w/ scroll wheel), I usually have my index and middle fingers spread out more on the ball (like, at 45 + 135 degrees) for smaller, more precise movement, relaxed. 'Rocking' left or right for accurate movement on the horizontal plane, or curling my index and doing a 'push' or 'pull' with it for accurate vertical moves. Then like, 'rotating' for diagonal. With my fingers closer together and more curled, I can get the wider, rapid movements, from one side of my monitor to the other instantly, which is useful in some games. If you keep the ball clean and lubed, you can flick and do a total 180 instantly. Lift your fingers from the ball entirely and just rapidly hit the button, excellent for spamming an attack on one specific enemy coming at you. Being able to click without worrying about shifting aim has actually been really helpful with builds in Minecraft, for example.
I use an elcom "gaming" track ball mouse. they take some getting use to, but in valorent it works just as well as a g502 hero for me. I definitely recommend one that uses your thumb on the trackball
New video? Yes sir gimme that good stuff
Interesting product but I can't cope with this host
I can see it be useful for simgame setups where you have a hotas/wheel. Can get a bit crowded if you still need to use the mouse when your desk crammed full with stuff.
I haven’t truly played with or “played” with a track ball but in the mid 2000s i had played fps with a thumb track ball and i was pretty good. It left the muscle memory the clicks so it was much easier to pick up. I think with the advent of touch phones and how we use our thumbs a thumb track ball would be better. You can get the flick and spin while stopping it where you want it easier.
I had no idea prior to today that David was a rampant homosexual. To be honest, I hadn't gave it a thought and just assumed he was straight. As the saying goes, you do indeed learn something new every day and fair play in any case, I raise my glass to you... Or as gay people would say, "bottoms up". Continue about your business good sir.
@@FlappyPoosay (my previous reply disappeared).... Agreed... However when you look at the whole picture, nails, choice of piercings, pride t-shirt, glasses and mannerisms/inflections (which is the most obvious and I did not realise in previous videos), then it is clear the chap is committed to and takes fudge packing very seriously.
Do not for one second assume I have a problem with this or gay people in general (this is what makes me think the reason my previous reply was incorrectly removed), its no different to someone deducing I am straight - Its an observation and acceptable for someone to make.
I used a logitec trackball for gaming for years, its pretty great
Logitech trackman optical for me. Been using for 15 years, picked one up on eBay when the first died
What do you play with the Logitech Trackball?
@@CodeVenomSnakes i used to play diablo, halo, modern warfare 2019 etc. I switched to an MX master 3 and g502 hero though. I still use the trackball for random productivity stuff when im on the go. I got my mom the same trackball for her home office and she loves it
@@retrorewind6042 I am guessing you are cracked with a trackball for gaming.
@@CodeVenomSnakes im average-above average depending on what game im on. I dont game too much anymore so my skills have gotten slightly rusty
I am a trackball gamer. Bad wrist and so I use the Logitec m575. It is a right handed thumb mouseball and is actually decemt to use in fps games as long as your not crazy competative. This mouse in the video doesnt look like it would save your wrist at all (fingers have less degrees of freedom than the thumb) and i personally would be less accurate when straining myself (which i dont with my thumb).
In summary, if you are right handed and want a good gaming trackball buy the m575 if your cheap (around 40 euros) or the MX Ergo if you got cash (around 80 euros).
Idk why but David using the laptop trackpad instead of the trackball was too funny for me 😂
I really loved all the feedback you gave: very through and useful. It would totally benefit the product designers. I would love to see a follow up video comparing it to other trackball mice instead of a regular one. Overall, cool video!
I remeber this dude from before. Why is he so cool now? All the pastel colors, painted nails and Eltonish glasses. He rocks the sh** out. Next time I hope he has a jacket to match that. =)
I used to use an old logitech track ball, cant remember the exact model, but i used it as my first 'gaming mouse' and i think because i was so used to it,it gave me a lot more precision than a standard mouse, i later moved on to a gaming mouse and after some time im about on par, probably a bit better with what i could achieve using the trackball, its all about being used to it realisticly
I've always owned a Logitech trackball since 1998. It started with a trackBall marble wheel. My brother didn't know what to give me at Christmas and came up with this. Took me three weeks to get used to it and I was hooked. I now use a MX Ergo advanced wireless trackball as my daily driver and it's awesome.
I wouldn't use it for games though.
I like David's energy. He's came a long way since the days when he would be so nervous and sweat uncontrollably on screen to Carpool Critics to being an exciting host for a video.
The nails...the glasses...*stands up and applauds* fucking king shit. I love it dude
I've been daily driving a trackball for years and I love my gameball. Using a trackball isn't too bad to get use to, but gaming on a trackball takes a ton of time to get use too. If you're willing to put in the work they are much better imo.
loved this video angle and how it was explained.
I like how fast David talks and at precision. I think he's right up there with Laser James, Riley, and Alex Clarke & Lois. His energy and familiarity with gaming makes him a good source for this type of exploration. If not James, Riley, or Alex, then David all the way, LET'S GO!
Would love more ergonomics in gaming mice! Pain in my hand stops me from playing WoW
Your hands are MVP
Have you cut down to a ten keyless keyboard and used higher dpi? Definitely don't need a "gaming" trackball for WoW, most trackballs would be fine with WoW
Man, I remember using a ball mouse in the early 2000's, kinda weird at first but so awesome once you got the hang of it.
i use a trackball for everything (including gaming) but not the finger style. i much prefer the thumb control style and i think even i would have a hard time getting used to this product. would def be more interested/willing to invest in a "gaming" trackball that was thumb control.
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I've been rocking an Elecom Ex-G Pro for years now and I hate having to go back to a mouse. $75 and it's closer to a regular mouse button-wise, like the logitech trackballs, with regular mouse wheel including tilt and a small handful of buttons. Wired or wireless.
I would be curious to try the index/middle finger ball layout though but I'm so used to the thumbball. I keep two around.
I use the Elcom huge as I have large hands that dwarfed their regular. Absolutely love it.
@@gillisbhome Another Elecom HUGE user here as well. Love it, imho Elecom feels like they are making the best Trackballs right now.
I use to use a Logitech Trackman (thumb one) back in the day, when I gammed on a laptop and played FPS on the couch. I actually really loved it. I however hate the center trackball mice
Used Logitech Trackman Marble for 10 years at least, recently upgraded to an Elecom Huge. Both with a center mounted ball like this, which I use two fingers (Index & Middle) to rotate the ball. This is allows more accuracy, further travel (when and actually enables an alternate type of movement - rotating the ball between your two fingers around a vertical axis through the ball - this will still move left and right, but is even less movement on the fingers). Also agree that it takes a LONG time to become accustomed to playing games with a trackball.
It’s hard to justify a $150 trackball when elecom has great trackballs at $50.
Was searching for someone to mention elecom. I've got their EX-G Pro and have been using one (including for gaming) since at least 2016 when my previous Logitech trackball died. The extra buttons are very handy. Glad I'm not the only one buying their products!
Do they make a wireless one? If so my Dad would probably he's been interested.
Yeah, it drives me crazy that so many of the high end trackballs are wired. I can't use a wired one in my couch setup, I did years ago when wireless wasn't as much of a thing and I sent my mouse flying many times tripping over the cord.
I've been using a trackball a few months and I'm now way more comfortable on a trackball vs mouse .. coming from a trackpad (MacBook), it feels a lot more natural than a mouse .. on mine, I use my thumb and forefinger for the precise movement (Photoshop, Lightroom, Illustrator) so the knuckles you mention aren't as responsible for the movement .. I'm anxious to try the game ball after using a Kensington Slimblade for most of this year .. I really like it, but as awesome as the scroll feature is (twist the trackball to scroll) it's a lot of movement and has added to my RSI .. same with the overall shape of the Slimblade .. I feel it needs to be tilted away from me, with something to rest my wrist on .. hence my interest in the game ball!
I have some built up tension in my arm and wrist and this would tip me over the edge. All the small movements of your fingers are actually pretty taxing on your arm
Finally a lmg video of someone playing with balls. Love it
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I was distracted by the nail polish
It's nail polish get over it!
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Here was my biggest breakthrough when learning to use a trackball for either productivity or gaming: *you can to take your fingers off the ball when you click*. Allowing you to completely isolate aiming / selection from action is what makes trackballs so amazing for precision work.
Best trackball for gaming is the Microsoft Optical Trackball mouse. I used to use that thing for a daily driver from the Unreal Tournament days until I moved a few years ago and dropped the ball. The fall left the ball chipped and it kept catching on the metal studs (for lack of a better term) that it freely rolled around on. Finding a replacement now cost way more than I paid for the original, so I shelved it and now use a Razer Naga Trinity.
This video basically made me feel odd.. I legit gamed with a trackball for like 2 years a wile back. (Like CS 1.6 and other FPSs) I liked how acceleration worked.
I had it set with Low sensitivity, high acceleration.. made it really easy to switch between slow or deliberate and crazy fast, twitch like turning.
Edit: I feel the need to mention that I used the thumb kind not the finger kind. I feel like that’s an important distinction.
Nice to see something so out of my zone and made it really interesting. Great job guys and nice glasses David.
I use a trackball since my "desk" is entirely covered by a mixing console. But I use one with the ball on the thumb, the Logitech MX Ergo. Adjustable angle is nice too.
I've used my first trackball like this in Quake 3 and never looked back.
I find it especially useful in first person games where you can continously turn around by just moving two fingers.
I love David! he is my spirit animal.
10:24 your index finger literally has the most precision and articulation. you are using it wrong. rest your palm on the device with a single finger on the ball.
Single finger? Really? The trackball is usually so big that I always assume you use it with more than one finger, but I guess that's the thing. If you're not used to it you don't know.
@@SilverEye91 i haven't got to use one of these daily for nearly 15 years, but i used the hell out of the marble mouse in many quake based first person shooters and in starsiege:tribes to extremely good effect. i even bought myself a used marble mouse for nostalgia a couple years ago but the ball was damaged. this "mouse" really made me happy and i plan to buy one to try it out.
@@kght222 I also got pretty tempted. But I'm not sure if the center placement is better or worse than the thumb placement alternatives. I'm gonna have to find a store that sells them and try them out. Or I guess deal with annoying returns...
This trackball had David so flustered his inner Canadian came out, eh.
This kind of makes me want a gaming vertical mouse - I have the logitech MX vertical and i really like it but i have found that very occasional issues with responsiveness wreak havoc in any game that involves shooting. Vertical for me is much more manageable than trackball because of the issues David brought up with accuracy in the fingers and the thumb creating tension that seems to radiate up the entire arm. A solid unboxing altogether.
Excellent review, but if you're going to wear a nail polish color that contrasts as vividly with the product as that, touch it up before filming a bunch of closeups of your hands. I love the color, but it would have been way less distracting if there was a fresh coat that went down to the cuticle.
I really would like to have paid a good attention to this video, but I couldn't on the account of your blue fingernail polish... Yeah watching a man with fingernail polish kind of distracted me from the actual mouse at hand. No pun intended. I thought it was a little disgusting and distracting that a grown man would have sky blue fingernail polish all over his clearly nibbled on fingertips.
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I used to absolutely love my track ball mouse as a kid for RTS games. i specifically got one for them. They are so much better than normal mice for certain types of games like that. You're also using it wrong - you don't want to try moving it with individual fingers like that, you kinda tilt your wrist around WITH your fingers, very similar to how you would swipe around on a laptop's touchpad.
Used to play competitive Unreal Tournament instagib with a trackball. It is actually really solid for precise flick shooting, once you get the muscle memory you can do 360 no scopes all day but I also find it more precise with smaller movements for when your sniping for example.
It'll probably take a good while to train your muscle memory tho, I was in my teens when I picked on up as an alternative to ball mice and early optical, it was just better. Now mice are really good so I'm not sure if re-training yourself for one is worth it unless you have very limited desk space or have RSI like problems.